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OkCornel:
Either in the old or new testaments. Sacrifice of animals or Jesus’ atonement is pointless without repentance.

Case closed

You are confused..

What God wants us a sincere repentance..no sacrifice needed. 2nd chronicles 7:14

Ayietim:
And why does it matter to know who God is?

It matters a lot. Those who don't know who God is are confused. Why?

Everyday, they see people who claim to know who God is, do things that make others ask, "Do these people really know God?"

They also see those who claim to be in a relationship with God exploit their relationships with humans for selfish gains. Selfish gains that fattens the flesh and deaden the spirit.

Why should those who claim to know God prioritize the growth of the flesh that withers everyday, as it matches towards death?

Why do "God's people" hurt fellow humans? And the same people will be quick to tell you that God is a Spirit being whom no one can see.

They will go further to tell you that all humans are created in the image of God. If this were true, then everyone's priority in life should be to treat fellow humans with love without discrimination and realize that what's good for one is good for all.

This should be the number one duty, especially for those who claim to know God. Unfortunately, they are negligent. In their negligence, they're not by their actions, teaching others who God is. Maybe, they don't who God is.

So who is God?

God is the universal divine consciousnesses...

A frequency within us...all we have to do is tune in..

Kobojunkie:
You are not making sense at all.

Read again what is written without attempts to insert your own ideas into what is written, and take your own advice. Carefully process what is written.

That is what him and okcornel has been doing..

OkCornel:
Sacrifice without repentance (change of heart) is pointless.

According to who??

Sacrifice from who ?

In which realm, continent or world is it right for Mr A to be put to death for the crime of Mr B?

yeshuasfootstep:
You tried but don't limit temple to structures. Your body is temple of God and the Jews also made the same mistake when they think Yeshua will destroy their Temple and rebuild in three days.

The temple has been desecrated severally, even another god is being proclaimed as Yeshua who is already present but whom the world will not feel his presence unless they repent, mourn and turn around.

This is what God want from us.

He never said he was going to send someone to die as a sin sacrifice..

OkCornel:
Why is a man who doesn’t believe in the existence of Moses or Jesus bothering me?

Why are you itching so badly for my attention?

You wish...

Why are you so dull.?

You don't know the meaning of allegory?

God is the universal divine consciousnesses, not a man or human being..

OkCornel:
Mankind knew right from wrong before writing was even invented.

For example, conscience and intuition are pathways to truth. You don’t need to have truth documented before distinguishing right from wrong.

The mistake people make is to assume written truth is total truth.

Truth is too vast to be captured in writing.

Since you came to this forum, this is the only good thing you have said, that I totally agree with..

I just pray you actually understand it...

OkCornel:
The truth is not religion. The truth is not limited to written books.

Truth existed before man invented writing.

The truth is way much more than “holy books”

And it is that we are created in god's image and likeness...(not the other way round.). And for us to live in peace and make progress, we have to follow god's divine laws and principles...

OkCornel:
As expected emotional outbursts with no scriptural references to back up their position

Perhaps Apostle Paul is a dog of Satan for writing 2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4. Infact, the entire chapter explains everything so clearly.


2 Thessalonians 2 v 1-4;

1.Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNTIL the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up IN GOD’S TEMPLE, proclaiming himself to be God.



1. Bear in mind there will be a temple of God where this man of lawlessness will proclaim himself to be God. Please where is this temple today? It doesn’t exist. It’s yet to be constructed!

2. Apostle Paul mentioned we should not be alarmed or unsettled. No one should deceive anyone about the coming of the Lord. It cannot happen until the lawless one is revealed and the temple (which is yet to be constructed) is desecrated and the abomination that causes desolation is set up inside the temple.

3. The man of lawlessness who will offer a covenant of peace for 7 years with many as written in Daniel 9 v 27 is yet to be revealed.

Paul wrote a letter to his friends in Thessalonia, only God know what he has fed them with for them to have asked for Clarification. He wrote a letter to them to put them straight.

2000+ years letter on mumu guy from Nigeria saw the letter and immediately concluded that it was talking to him. Just how stooopid can somebody be??

Just see the foolishness of the new testament, with its endless loop.

Instead of you to learn and live by the commandments of your creator. That is only way he can judge you are righteous or not...you are busy following absurd concept.

Suit yourself..

OkCornel:
Nope, can your ancestors reply you right now?

Can Moses reply you?

Since that was your basis of concluding Jesus is gibberish.

Is critical thinking too hard for you?

Lol...

Jesus and Moses never existed...

So jokes on you..

The whole world thinks that Adam sinned because he believed the tempting serpent… He did not sin. What could he do, this piece of animal flesh, which could not even become a human himself? What can anyone do against the Upper Plan?

Yes, it is written that God warned: "Do not eat from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil." But the snake appeared and began to persuade: "Eat." And when Adam tasted the forbidden fruit, God said: "Why did you do it? Now you will die. You will not live."
But even without the explanations of the Kabbalists, it is clear that the Torah cannot be some primitive fiction. And we should understand its inner meaning. In order not to fall for interpretations.

"To die" is a good thing, according to what is implied. This means that one's egoism will die in him, and he will reach another level. If we consider the biblical story of Adam and Hava/Eve from a spiritual point of view, then first the property of Adam is revealed in a person: he feels good, calm, he does not harm anyone. Then the egoistic property Eve is revealed, and then the property of the serpent.

After Adam and Eve started to feel their egoism, they revealed the feeling of shame. They needed to get dressed, that is, to acquire some property of bestowal in order to hide their unclothedness.

When a person, feels his inner properties, feels the egoism in him, along with the property of bestowal and evaluates one against the other, he starts to feel vicious and as if hides it in himself under his clothes.

The serpent is a selfish desire that is finally beginning to awaken in a person. And then he sees that he is the opposite of the Creator, he has where to move, what to correct in himself and what to rise to. The snake sits in everyone, but someone has already felt it, and someone has not yet. After all, it seems to everyone that everything is fine: "We live normally. We were born, we live, we die - everything is in order. Let's just calmly stretch these years and that's it." And why does a person need these years? What do they have?

The serpent shows a person that he lives, in fact, in vain, by inertia, not much different from an animal, that we have the germ of some kind of evil. The snake does not allow us to live in peace.
The serpent is a strong, powerful, moving force, planned and programmed, i.e. huge egoism, which begins to disturb us and oppose each other.

The serpent crawls like an angel sent by the Creator to push us towards correction. But since we are in our egoism, we curse these forces that want to pull us out of it. And we must thank the snake for his help... This snake is like a medicine, it is no coincidence that it serves as a symbol of medicine. After all, poison is the basis of all medicines.

With the help of the bites of two snakes, the Creator leads us to help us to suddenly feel the nature that lies above our nature. We understand that we must rise above both of them, and so we find the One who controls these snakes.

OkCornel:
Can Moses respond to your questions?

Can your dead ancestors respond to your questions?

Does it mean they’re gibberish too going by your logic?

Smh

I am here,

So it means my ancestors existed.

Mention one person from the line of jesus...that exist today...I told you that he was just a made up character your mumuism will not let you see road...

The laws where given to all of mankind....

OkCornel:
You

At least you can respond to my comment.

Can jesus do that?

Atulu Hausa

OkCornel:
Jesus did not say so, that’s all I wanted to confirm.

Anything else is gibberish.

What is more gibberish than jesus?

OkCornel:
Family guy insults anything. Even Moses.

So your point exactly is what? We should believe family guy’s position on Moses too?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTRumqk7Xw0

My question is why would they be allowed to get away with it..?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPKoahc_tI4



Why would any one even make fun of it like this?

I think that sura was given round about the time the so called satanic verses was given. So it was referring to Allah and his children allat and co...
That is why I am convinced that Allah is the moon god sin/Nanna....because he has 3 daughters one of which is inanna. ....

The Elohim has never been a single god., But 7 they are the 7 gods that decree.

OkCornel:
Who said God the Father is Jesus Christ?

Did Jesus Christ say he is God the Father?

Can you show me where in the scriptures Jesus said so?

Jesus did not say so

Thanoa did not say so

Persus did not say so...


What is the connection ??

OkCornel:
Sorry, God does not do religion. Religion is a man made construct.

What we are discussing here transcends religion

Judaism reference only the creator of heaven and earth. And he is not a man or human being. Christianity on the other hand is about a man that was crucified....

Two different ideologies..

That is my point.

OkCornel:
Is the footstool of God’s throne in Israel? Is this where this uncountable multitude no man can number will worship God from?

Isaiah 60 has no correlation with the uncountable multitude standing before God’s throne in heaven. Not on earth. They can only serve “day and night” in the temple after they are resurrected.

Jesus does not return in Revelation 7.

You people are mixing Judaism with Christianity..

That is the problem with both of you...

They are two separate religion.

There is no jesus in Judaism. ..

Please...

Nooooooo.

budaatum:
Defining words, or at least coming to an understanding of what they mean.

People in Jesus time were like we Nigerians, believing what we are told instead of using our own hearts and souls and minds to ask and knock and seek for understanding.

Christians don't usually say this nor know I guess, but the so called Holy Spirit is simply a fancy way of saying your own ability to think and reason for yourself, skills that should be developed.

Same as in the Garden of Eden. God forbid the men who wrote it give Eve a brain and a mind of her own. Hence, the serpent so we don't emulate Eve and think and reason for ourselves.

I don't understand this your blabbing...

What should I take from it?

budaatum:
You don't know?

Is that not perhaps where you should have begun?

Where is the starting point?

KnownUnknown:
What is a spirit?
What is holiness?

I don't know..

Maxindhouse come and answer

Jesusjnr jump in too

Or maybe there is more than 1 spirit ..

Is funny. I tell people that, Spiritual understanding is a tactics to prevent people from not making use of their brain/common sense when reading the bible.
⛔ Will spiritual understanding make me to read and understand that, Mary was aware about the type of child she will born. and what he will be according to Luke 1:26-46. And also make me to read and understand that Mary is not aware about what jesus will be or his mission that made her to join her other children in accusing jesus of going crazy/mad that made them to came where jesus is in order to take him away from the public to avoid public & family disgrace. According to Mark 3:20-35

⛔ Will the spiritual understanding make me to read and believe that same John the baptist who confirmed jesus to be the Messiah that lead his two disciples ( Andrew and Phillip) to leave him and follow jesus the said Messiah. According to John 1:29-42. Is the same John the baptist of Matthew who send his disciples to go and ask jesus if he is the Promised Messiah or they should continue to look/wait for another according to Matthew 11:2-3 ........(when you assume both John to be the same you end up with a confused john)

⛔ Will spiritual understanding make me to read and understand that, same Andrew and Phillip who left their Master john because the over heard him calling jesus the Messiah according to John 1-29-42, is the same Andrew and Phillip of Matthew that were unable to remember that Jesus is the Messiah when jesus ask "who do you say I am? And is because he is the Messiah that made them to left their formal master....in John is Andrew who told peter that they have seen the Messiah and jesus is that Messiah. But in Matthew both Andrew and Philip forgot, is now peter whom they told was fast enough to remember that jesus is the Messiah.....����

So funny.

Every now and then I receive an email or see in this platform a devout Christian who tells me that no one (including, well, me) is able to interpret the Bible correctly without guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Well, I Could point to passage after passage where we'll meaning and clear headed Christians who claim to be given their understanding by the holy spirit provide two three or four contradictory Interpretation of the passage so what is the evidence that the spirit assist in interpretation.

Bart Ehrman.

That Jesus came to die for sins has no backing from the Torah..
It is a pagan concept...

Mutant001:
you are deceiving yourself
We have super naturals and spirit beings all created by the SUPREME GOD
INFACT GOOD AND EVIL ARE TWO SIDES OF THE SUPREME GOD

you better take responsibility for your actions and don't blame it on a non-existent imaginary creature

This is what I have been hammering to their ears, but they will not take a moment to think. Even the so called Christian Bible or new testament says the devil is the ruler of darkness which is just a synonym for the moon. ..Christians are always looking for who to blame for their bad choices, so they created the devil and when you probe Futher they loose it. ..

The creator created both light and darkness
Good and evil. Isaiah 45:7

No evil happens without his okay..

He created it as a learning tool.
After all he planted the tree of good and evil..

The devil is a made up character same as jesus.

Satan on the other hand means adversary or obstacle. Only humans have adversary, the creator does not. ..he is Omni potent..

And before Satan does anything, he needs an expressed permission from his creator..

I wonder where they get the idea that Satan does whatever he likes...

cornelboy:
Keep what you know to yourself baba.

Lol...

cornelboy:
I believe because it has answers to my questions.

Spirit materialising?

Or