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Now this is what I am talking about!

The DIG "came" and went!

What a way to go!

Our airports are unbelievable eyesores! Phuaaaah!

Here we go: the full table.

GEJ is clearly not at home with many of the knotty issues bothering Nigeria. But he can still pick up, if he surrounds himself with the right people.

Many of us here would not perform better. The hot seat is really hot, and I found this out first hand when I was in the SUG govt in my school. We were faced with a water crisis in a particular year, and I had to come up with a solution that fellow students found very distasteful; how I was not mobbed the day of the congress when I gave my solution is still a miracle.

However, we were able to pull through and the crisis was solved. I lost many friends but hey, I was in office to fulfil a mission and I did.

I agree that we should not be paying so much money in subsidy to fuel importers, but the way the government wants to deal with the problem is not the right way.

We need community based refineries as well as a radical plan to start developing alternative energy fuels for our vehicles in 3 years. This can be done. For instance, I do not see why my local government cannot build a refinery to serve those in my local government. A company in Rivers State has already built a refinery to produce 120,000 litres for its own needs (which is just one-third of that production capacity) and is ready to sell the balance to those who need it.

This refinery business is not so complicated. I had demonstrated the fractionation of crude oil in my school's Chemistry laboratory as far back as 1991. I do not really understand why we cannot even develop our own indigenous technology to refine crude. Illegal refining is going on in the Niger Delta. Can we not get some of the ex-militants as part of an agency that will be charged with developing this crude technology further? Many of these militants are graduates and such an agency can be beefed up with specialists in the field.

This is one of the things ASUU has been agitating for: increased funding for research. Why for example would Nigeria be spending more money on buying military hardware than on research and development?

The question is: can GEJ disappoint his campaign funders and serve the people who voted him? Dilemma for GEJ to work out!

goshen360:
@ musKeeto,
You are one us that will reform this generation and i am commited also. If these people cannot simply understand we are not against God, Christ, Church and the biblical teaching of Christ and bible, i wonder what they will understand. I am sick and tired of this generation who come here elevating men of God even more than the God they serve.

We love men of God, we respect them as our spiritual heads in the body of Christ but if we question some actitivities in the church of Christ by these men of God who we believe they are suppose to know better, nuture us and be our examples as a way of contending for the biblical faith and truth, some people (men of God followers) will label us names.

LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN (including your pastor) A LIAR. WHY? Because, your pastor can preach the bible out of his ideas and wishes just to achieve his aims and objectives. If not, we wont have all this non-sense of bathing in beaches, rubbing special soap/oil, drinking anointing oil, praying in name of mary that even Christ died for, worshinng men of God and praying with mantles etc. THE FACT THAT  THESE THINGS ARE RECORDED IN THE DOESNT MAKE THEM DOCTRINAL AND PRACTICE OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS. BUT THE FOUNDATION OF GOD STAND SURE AND EVERLASTING. LET'S RAISE THE STANDARD AND BANNER OF GOD WHICH IS LOVE, FAITH IN JESUS, HIS TEACHINGS AND CHARACTER.

dare2think:
Please shut it.

Your Men Of God are Frauds.

A country of full of religiousness yet amongst the most corrupt nations.

Who called these Men?  Did anyone apart from them witness their calling? where you present when God called to them?

Everyone claims they are called, and you just believe based on that and their staged theatrics (I refuse to call the miracles).


They are mere mortals that will die at some point, just like any other person.

freshera:
Stagger, na wa.

I said Google the pay[b] if [/b] you want to know. I do not know it myself cos its unnecessary but I have seen the web link before. So I said if you want to know.

The 'if' is implied.

All the insults, I send them back to you.

All I know is logic and faith can go together sometimes. Transparency and accountability should start from where? The church

The source of money is[b] from the members [/b] not the pastors so under the law, in a good country,the statement of ccounts should be accessible.

God bless.

Modern day Martin Luthers, oya make una start now. Me I just dey siddon dey look una!

Please let us have contributions. It is not only on the religious thread or political threads that spread hatred that we will see the most posts and views.

Help a brother out.

caropy:
@ muskeeto, i am coming for you again, i will not join others to curse you, never, am not to judge you from what i read from you, but my dear, you have not done it well, if you have tasted God at all you will know He is not only a merciful God but also a judge, full of wrath and indignation, burning fire, consuming fire, please go and repent in dust and ashes, fast and cry out for forgiveness, am not counting sin on you but you have sinned, ask God to wash you and come back here again on a fresh post to confess publicly.

on the other note, the way you talk shows you dont regard God too, may you not die before you know the truth that God is real as well as heaven and hell is real. a true child of God does not talk the way you do. come to Jesus Christ, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

Why you dey bother yourself? I have seen many of his type and I know where they usually end up. Sad thing is that the curse moves in generations and you see children down to the 4th generation suffering things they know nothing about because one of their forefathers was a careless talker, making jest of the things of God.

If you choose to be marginalized in your heart, you will be marginalized.

The Japanese could have turned themselves into perennial world beggars after the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But they rose from the ashes.

So I do not understand the marginalization talk here.

I don't understand how someone will be asking for someone else's account statement. Certain information is private you know,

Jencejyde:
Big Boy!

No be big boy matter. Office closes Dec 22; no be when dem ask for Dec salary, I go dey quote Pope pay! Who get dat kind time to dey go Google Pope pay or pay of any other person when the only pay I should concern myself with is that of the people wey dey work to put food for my family table?

freshera:
the pope's salary is known by both catholics and non-catholics. you can google the exact amount.

anywayz, God help us all.

Don't you get the logic? A man like myself with 2 businesses and several staff to pay every month has no bloody time going to dig around as to what the pope or a pastor is earning. Only jobless people who have nothing to contribute to humanity and society do.

freshera:
[b]Jesus lived only 33yrs or so thats why He said the poor you will always have but not me.

Pastors are expected to live longer. besides we are meant to worship God not pastor. yes, church should meet the pastor's needs abundantly but not at the expense of those who may starve to death should pastor's

Spiritual redemption manifests through the physical. Jesus was not dirt poor but He was still poor so we can be rich, we are meant to prosper spiritually, financially(which is the koko in this world), maritally, physically(like the arabs), etc.

how do you preach to poor man?

or  a man who needs money for kidney operation?

or a man who has not eaten for two days?

or a man who is homeless?

is it by speaking in tongues or by anointing him?

the poor is the koko, my friend.

every poor is a potential xtian or RCCG member.

people will always make financial mistakes or be lazy or be born into the wrong circumstances?

so we should leave them to starve to death? the poor will always be there.

before you educate a poor man, you have to feed him, clothe him and house him so that the education will enter the skull and the spirit.

MOST OF THE MONEY COMING INTO THE CHURCH IS FROM MEMBERS NOT THE PASTORS AND IN A NORMAL SOCIETY IT IS MEANT TO HELP MEMBERS SO thats why people are worried and asking questions.

in the bible, when someone was in need, rich  or big men sold their property, assets etc and brought the money into the church to help homeless, sick and poor people.

So can these pastors who are role models and 'next to God' sell their jets and assets to help the homeless both in the church and outside?[/b]

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EVERYONE KNOWS THE SALARY OF THE POPE(minus gifts) SO WHY NOT NIGERIAN PENTECOSTAL PASTORS?[/size]

The highlighted points in blue: I agree with your analysis there 100%. Even God said that he that giveth to the poor lendeth to the Lord! I agree 100%. The poor should never be left to starve to death. But they also should not be left to remain poor. This is where the church can do a lot more.

The point highlighted in green is what is seriously missing in our churches; again I agree 100%. A lot more needs to be done.

But I will not ask someone who I know bought a private jet with his personal money to sell it. No one has a right to tell me what I do with my property, so I do not see why I should tell another man what to do with his, especially when I know he gives as well, and heavily too (people usually don't like to talk about this one).

I don't know the pope's salary o (and it is not my business really), but I know my own parish pastor's own: ZERO. He still practises his architecture!

Jencejyde:
Well said! and God bless you.

Now, let me address the issue of private jets and community service. Im very much close to the leadership of the RCCG and without giving out too much details, i would want to let you know that the generalization of all men of God lavishing on riches and flying about in jets without helping their immediate communities is uncalled for. Is everything right in the church(rccg in focus) answer is no. Does the leadership have foresight and a clear vision as to how they want the church to affect the lives of the populace in this country. Answer is yes. If i may ask do you know how many parishes the church has world wide? Hmmm, wont say much, Now in a couple of months Dgo will be clocking 70 and every parish in the rccg wants him to come and hold crusades, ordain new pastors, hold conventions and congresses, Open new parishes and lots more all over the world,  If you are a frequent traveller, you will know how tough it is to travel to and fro Naija without the hassle and bussles of immigration,  The purpose of aquring the jet is not to play around, But to aid the work he is doing for God,

See it as you may, but this same man refused to purchase on of these in liew of what people would say when he could have had it a long time ago. You wont be traveling to 24 countries within two to three weeks and not nearly die of stress, trust me when you can afford what will ease you travels. The motive that everyone has for obtaining what they use is different and should never be generalized.

Now if you are opportuned to be close to the church administratively, you will notice that Dgo has instituted a programme called "Social Corporate Responsibility" that every Province within the church naming system is mandated to embark upon and monthly reports are given to the leadership to ensure that every parish caries out their quota,  You may not have benefited, but surely people are and those that do can testify to that,  Again do you know that a certain percentage of school fees for all missionaries(workers,pastors, et all ) is being paid by Dgo? Do you know how many peeps are on scholarships, Have you heard about "Heritage home" where orphans are being cared for and educated, ? The amenities that people on the camp ground enjoy for relatively free is financed by? Do you know how many Pastors are employed and paid worldwide?

Like i said, i am most grateful to God to be close to the leadership of this God ordained institution and if i did not know or experience better, i would probably join the band wagon of criticism,  Now regardless of all said, there is no perfection anywhere and there are challenges even in the church, There are wrongdoings, lies, fraud and all going on,  Do we know say that it is this Individual or that individual that is committing these atrocities,

Honestly i could go on all day, but seriously lets be objective, This is not about quoting bible passages but by doing practical things, setting examples that can be applied to everyday life.

I cant say much about other religious institutions cos i don't know what goes on there, but surely i wont condemn or rather its not in my place to condemn anyone or institution without knowing the real facts,

You may not necessarily agree with all i have said, but i have only tried to clarify some issues that some may not know. I pray we all succeed and join hands together to move this great country forward with the help of God.

Don't mind them. The other day, Aero Contractors cancelled the morning flight from Abuja to PH, split the passengers into three groups, lumped some of them with my flight, some with the next day's flight and the rest with another flight.

Those who fly Arik from Nigeria to London and back know how completely inept that airline is. How can pastors who have several speaking engagements, crusades, workers' meetings and still have to come back home to minister in their local churches, all within a matter of days, cope with such horrendous services?

Many of these complainants here are riding big cars and given the right amount of money, they will buy private jets as well.

When a woman poured expensive perfume at the feet of Jesus, exactly the responses many people have dished out here is what Jesus was fed with. That is why Jesus responded to them (especially the one who was talking about selling the perfume and giving the money to the poor) saying: "the poor you have with you always, but you will not always have me".

Let us face the fact. Jesus came into this world PRIMARILY for spiritual redemption. Giving to the poor is a distant second.

Besides, the emphasis of any true help to the poor is to help them out of poverty and not just giving them money and other such stuff. I know how many times I give to many poor people I meet everywhere and when I pass them 6 months later, they are still in the same state. So what is our giving to the poor really doing?

How many of the so-called giving to the poor/charity champions here even give more than N10 to beggars on the street? I once passed a man in his heavy jeep who stopped his car, scolded a boy carrying his invalid mother for carrying her in the sun and ended up giving her only N500! Imagine!

My branch of Winners is paying for the secondary school education of many orphans in a school we built and funded. My money goes in there and I see how we are transforming the lives of these orphans, some of them AIDS orphans. That is why I usually get very upset when people only talk about private jets; they are blind to the truth and refuse to see the truth.

That is why I say they should spit in the air, but not in my backyard!

musKeeto:
Nothing new. All Im getting here is threats. No bible verse to back that threat up?

Who dey threaten you? have you started seeing ghosts already?

Thi :Ps garbage dump eating, na so e dey take start o!

cautious:
@Stagger, this is the Spirit I see in Christ - When the sons of Zebedee asked Him to call fire from heaven and consume an entire village, He replied that the Son of Man came to give life, not destroy it. So I ask you, in what spirit do you operate? You seem so confident in quoting a scripture that applies to all human beings which is perfect example of proof texting. With all due respect, your submission doesn't demonstrate a heart of love that defines the Christian experience and you are the kind of person that threatens opposing parties with curses. Let's focus on truth here and not be overzealous in defending our views. As Sovpounds said earlier, let God be true and let Him alone be the Judge of His church.
Btw, something exciting about this thread is that Christians are challenging the status quo without any fear of being cursed. It doesn't make us perfect overnight but the TRUTH certainly sets us free from slavery mindsets.

You can blow wind all you like, I know my rights as assured me by God in the bible and I exercised it. My bible assured me that the blessings of Abraham are fully mine, and that the death of Christ was to connect me fully to that blessing.

God said He will curse those who curse Abraham and bless those who bless him. That is why when I step into the streets with all the hawks and cheats and satanic human beings crawling this earth, I fear no evil because God is with me.

The father and son that colluded to steal land paid for their actions, and that only reinforces the fact that my God protects me on a daily basis and will go to any lengths to protect me.

Only Christians who are afraid of exercising their rights in Christ will listen to the rantings of the mosquito man and his cohorts. I got no such qualms.

Father and son usurped land which did not belong to them. The Owner of the earth, who declared that we are dust and to dust we shall return, was appealed to; He executed judgement and today, the graves of the father and the son are living testimonies to what happens to those who dare God and His children.

Some people like to be docile about their beliefs. I am not one of them. I do not go about making trouble or asking God to punish my enemies, but those who ask for such treatment will get it from the One who looks after me.

Anyone who does not like it, can bury his head in the sand!

karpenter:
Please note that if he doesn't eat from the garbage, then the god of Adeboye has failed!!!!

You wan follow that mosquito human being chop from garbage can? The only regret is that due to the anonymous nature of NL, we no go know am when we see am dey chop from there.

The God of Adeboye is spelt with a very capital "G", and that is the God he professes. Some of you that claim you went to school don't even know how to use punctuation marks.

Tee_Jay:
All these vitriol, yet the programme is going on; people are getting blessed by the day, the scoffers are here spitting in the air. One thing I know is that people like Pastor Adeboye does not give a damn whether you think he is fraudulent or not afterall Jesus himself was scoffed at and all sorts was said about His ministry and the company He kept Luke 7:33-35

Spitting in the air, I love that phrase.

My own is if they like, let them spit in the air, but the day someone will spit in my backyard is the day we will know who is who, just like two fellows who usurped my land in the village and are today buried in it after they both went to bed and did not wake up in the same month.

They apparently did not know the import of the statement: the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. They stole my land, and I simply asked God to effect the verse:

"dust you are, and to dust you shall return".

Some people here do not know the power in God's name, until they decide to challenge it openly and face the consequences.

So please, make una spit for air o! Not in my backyard!

musKeeto:
Haha, a new thing,  smh

like i said on a previous thread.
Don't mind the idiotas that think a 4 day program will solve the problems of a whole year, Don't mind the idiots that attend these programs cos of all the fanfare and leave with nothing. Ignore the fools that attend these programs in their millions and leave goodwill, common sense and money in the pockets of these thieves. Ignore the fools that think that Christ would attend a meeting of poor and lazy minds who want him to solve their problems. Ignore the fools that were praying against kidnapping last year and praying against bombing this year. Ignore the animals that have been deceived and chained, yet love their chains so much. Ignore the idiots that think that God cares about Nigerians. Ignore the fools that believe that next year is their year and go ahead to buy car sticker, jotters, manuals, with 'mY Year OF ***********' inscribed on them. Ignore the fools that make up a huge portion of our population, yet have no morals in their sphere of influence. Ignore the fools that are ready to travel miles to attend a HOLY GHOST camp, yet won't move an inch when calls to protest are made. IGNORE THE FOOLS

May the God of Adeboye make you eat from garbage cans until you recognise His Omnipotence.

kokorunna:
@stagger - Mind your language , I was only giving the guy my advice.


If you don't know how to talk to people, then keep your MOUTH SHUT

I write with my fingers, not with my mouth!

wizecoder:
wizecoder@yahoo.com

I sent you an email yesterday. No response yet? Check ur bulk mail sir.

kokorunna:
If I was in your shoes I will sell the vehichles before you get stressed out or get an high blood pressure.

Majority of those drivers are useless and criminals, they will run the business down with excuses everyday.

Its either the enginee problem today or they were caught by the police or armed robbery.

How has your post helped the OP? Someone is asking for help and rather than give a thoughtful reply, you just say anything that enters your head without thinking. Help the guy please.

wizecoder:
wizecoder@yahoo.com

U got mail from me. I need you to look at something for me please. Thanks.

The mistake in your business is going to start in a private park.

Shelve that arrangment. Go to Peace Mass transit or any other well-known transporter.

Ask them to allow you load your buses at their park when their own buses for a particular route are gone. Most likely they will ask for a share of your profits but it will work out well. It may not even be on an official basis, but for your own protection, discuss with the management and let them tell you what to do.

You may not make the money you projected but at least, this will be a start.

Pukkah:
@Stagger, once again, you have staggered through my posts without addressing the issues. Is this how you stagger through life? Are you drunk most of the time? Boy, you sure can't get far like this save the banal forex nonsense you prattle about.

If you're able to return to sobriety, read through my post again and you'll realize that you're a dye-in-the-wool scoundrel.

It appears you do have hallucinations of wanting to be pious (while in your drunken state). However, in real life you're nothing but a wasting soul.

For now, I have further words to banter with a drunk who has lost his sanity.

Happy Staggering.

At least drunk people get sober.

But you will still remain a barbarian. Once one, always one! Baaah!

Pukkah:
Your type is easy to know.  You want to appear pious and ascetic to believers and yet you are as rotten as it can get. See examples of your hypocrisy:

Can you see the ease with which you insulted someone's father! How uncouth can a young man get! Is it not a big surprise that someone like you referred to another as a barbarian/bushman?

In one instance, you were married:

Yet, you should have girls

I didn't realize that I was wasting my time on this kind of inconsistent, shifty, and hypocritical character.  You are not the type of person with whom one should expect a decent conversation. You are only fit for your type - scoundrels, rascals and ill-bred elements.

Now, get out!

No wlet me address your barbaric dense brain!

I HAVE HAD A PAST, AND I AM NOT ASHAMED TO SAY SO! I HAVE WOMANIZED AND DONE CRAZY THINGS IN MY YOUTH, BUT MY PAST IS MY PAST (and not yours) and I thank God for His saving grace! At least, I am not a hypocrite like you or other people who keep bashing men of God here are!

It still doesn't stop you from being a barbarian! And in so far as you keep talking trash from your mouth, YOU WILL REMAIN A BARBARIAN!

So Pukkah the Barbarian, what more do you have in store?

Pukkah:
^^^Hmmm, what a born-again Christian that throws insults with impunity! Is that Shiloh-like?

Anyway, back to topic. I asked simple questions and you audaciously likened God's everlasting grace to new cars and tyres, eh? Na wa o. Don't you think you lack the grace, annointing, patience, understanding and calmness to imbibe and explain the word of God. Do you even KNOW God?

I am telling you what your comments portray you as:

AS A BARBARIAN!

It has nothing to do with being born-again or Shiloh-like! When you make comments like the ones you make, what does that make you?

People like you just say things that mock God and the men of God. Try that against the President of Nigeria whether SSS will not come knocking at your door.

If you have nothing better to say, do not contaminate this thread. People like you should know that the era where people make fun of Christians and what they do in belief of their faith, and Christians should just keep quiet like mumu is gone.

And the fact that you cannot even see the analogy I made in response to your first statement that Shiloh should be done once and that should be it, shows that you have some real problems with poverty of common sense.

Pukkah:
If this programme is so powerful and the effects long-lasting, why should it be organized every year? Is one experience for an individual not enough for a lifetime?

How come there are still poor and sick people in the church?

Can religion solve all and every problems?

How come Shiloh has not solved Nigeria's myriad of problems which are even increasing by the day?

DO you fill your car with fuel once and then drive it for the next 60 years on that one fill?

Or why is it that even a brand new, tear-rubber vehicle has to go for servicing and oil-change? Why not change your engine oil and gear oil and hydraulic fluid once and drive it for the next 60 years?

Or why not use the same set of tires for the next 60 years on your car?

God is not a confused God. It is men who are confused.

Get a life, barbarian with a bush man's mentality!

kizito96:
More money to buy private jets. Oyadepo has 4 private gets and he is building a hanger to accommodate his jets. Shiloh 2011, will bring money to buy a Boeing for God's work.

It is amazing that when people are talking about a spiritual experience that has delivered miracles to many, there are some barbarians here who are talking about private jets.

What concern does a man who has just been healed of a condition that defied medical cure have for private jets?

Barbarians will always be barbarians.

Ha ha ha ha!

Really, this Kenyan-American president should be ashamed of what his adopted country is turning into under his watch.