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Does your church involve in ecumenism it is a sign that it is headed the wrong direction.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Walter A. Elwell, in The Concise Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, defines ecumenism as “the organized attempt to bring about the cooperation and unity among Christians.” On an international level, the World Council of Churches represents ecumenism when it states its purpose this way: “The World Council of Churches is a fellowship of churches which confess the Lord Jesus Christ as God and Savior according to the scriptures, and therefore seek to fulfill together their common calling to the glory of the one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is a community of churches on the way to visible unity in one faith and one eucharistic fellowship, expressed in worship and in common life in Christ. It seeks to advance towards this unity, as Jesus prayed for his followers, ‘so that the world may believe’ (John 17:21)” (www.wcc-coe.org). On a national level, a document called Evangelicals and Catholics Together: The Christian Mission in the Third Millennium, published in 1994 and endorsed by some rather prominent representatives of evangelical Christianity and Roman Catholicism, is another example of ecumenism.

Ecumenism can also be defined more broadly: “a movement that promotes worldwide unity among all religions through greater cooperation.” For example, a Christian priest may invite a Muslim imam to speak in his pulpit, or a church may get together with a Hindu temple to hold a joint prayer service. Defined this way, ecumenism is definitely wrong. We are not to be “yoked together with unbelievers” (2 Corinthians 6:14; see also Galatians 1:6–9). Light and darkness have no fellowship with each other.

For this article, we will restrict the definition of ecumenism to “the move toward unity among Christian groups.” The important question is this: are ecumenical ventures right and biblical? Should we be involved with other “Christians” in joint ventures locally, nationally, or internationally? The answer is not absolute. Of course, unity among true Christians is important (Psalm 133:1; John 17:22). But what if some of those who profess Christianity actually deny certain fundamentals of the faith? One must consider each situation individually. Here are a couple of questions that will help us make God-honoring decisions regarding ecumenism:

First of all, are those we are joining with truly Christians in the biblical sense of the word? Many people and organizations reference the name of Jesus Christ and even state He is Lord and Savior yet clearly reject what the Bible says about Him. Obvious examples of this are Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, who call themselves followers of Jesus Christ and claim to be “Christian” yet deny what the Bible declares concerning Christ’s nature and work. A not-so-obvious example is liberal Christianity. Liberal Christianity is found in almost every denomination, and, although it may seem Christian, it usually rejects several essential truths. Liberals often deny or diminish the inspiration and authority of the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16), the exclusive nature of salvation in Christ (John 14:6; 1 Timothy 2:5), and the total dependence upon God’s grace, apart from human works, for salvation (Romans 3:24, 28; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8–9).

There is a major emphasis in our day on ecumenical unity among evangelicals and Roman Catholics. Those who promote such unity state that both groups are Christian and both are God-honoring systems of faith. But there are substantial differences between the two groups. Biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism are two different religions that practice and believe different things about how one is saved, the authority of the Bible, the priesthood of believers, the nature of man, the work of Christ on the cross, etc. The list of irreconcilable differences between what the Bible says and what the Roman Catholic Church says make any joint mission between the two impossible. Those who deny this are not being true to what they say they believe, no matter which side they are on. Any Catholic who is serious about his faith will reject what a serious evangelical Christian believes, and vice-versa.

One of the draws of ecumenism is that often theologically divergent groups are passionately like-minded regarding certain issues. Biblical Christians usually hold a strong pro-life stance, a traditional view of the family, a conviction to care for the homeless and sick, and a desire to see justice in the world. Other groups, which may have unbiblical theology, can hold the same social positions. Thus, the temptation to pool resources in pursuit of a common cause is sometimes great. This leads to the next question.

Second, what is the ultimate goal of this ecumenical venture? Scripture gives clear guidance as to how Bible-believing Christians are to live. Colossians 3:17 states our purpose this way: “Whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.” Regarding our interactions with the lost, Jesus says in Matthew 5:16, “Let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.” Matthew 28:18–20 and 1 Corinthians 2:2 make the gospel our top priority. All that we do is to bring glory and honor to God, we are to live in good works before a lost and dying world, and we must bring to the world the life-changing message of the gospel. Sharing the death and resurrection of Christ brings glory to God and should motivate our interaction with the world.

Regarding ecumenical ventures, we need to ask whether or not these goals are being pursued. Often, sharing the gospel becomes an afterthought, if it is even thought of at all. In place of the gospel, ecumenism tends to focus on political and social messages. Rather than seek to transform hearts, ecumenical endeavors often seek to transform environments—political, social, or financial. The ultimate goal of our actions should be the salvation of lost sinners (Ephesians 2:1–3). The angels of heaven rejoice over one sinner who repents (Luke 15:10). There is nothing in the Bible that says the angels rejoice when a law is passed, when a well is dug, or when a street is paved. (Not that there is anything wrong with accomplishing those things, but they cannot be allowed to overshadow the gospel.) As we contemplate ecumenical ventures, we need to make sure God’s kingdom is being expanded through evangelism.

In conclusion, should we be involved in ecumenical cooperation with other Christian churches and other groups of believers? If there is no doctrinal compromise on core Christian belief, if the gospel is not being watered-down or sidelined, if believers can maintain a clear testimony before the world, and if God is glorified, then we may freely and joyfully join with other believers in pursuit of God’s kingdom.

Jehovah witness organization is down right satanic.

Definitely Jesus is going to come suddenly.

Take not Jesus is not a morning star but the bright morning star.

The bright morning star does not mean lucifer.

Lucifer is called son of the morning, it is often used to describe the devil when he had not fallen.

MaxInDHouse:
But you are a Christian and ever since i have known that there's nothing called "gospel music" you're just discovering now shey?
Continue deceiving yourselves!

You have no problem with davido, wizkid and Burnaby songs because you are not a Christian simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHxzNE3sV3U

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know what you're saying!

This are normal entertainers that you can choose to buy their music anyone that suits you and reject the ones you found offensive it's all about entertainment.
But when you think some entertainers are singing for God whereas they're all lovers of money that's when you've been thoroughly deceived!

you are not a Christian so it means nothing to you.

The worst part of it all is that even kids are being indoctrinated into Satanism through cartoons.

Also see this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f8fotz5GUo

The so called elites are actually worshipping lucifer and subtly leading men to the new age which is Satanism.

Kayberg:


If only he knows that the the Lion and the Lamb will cast both the Goat, the Beast and the False Prophet into Hell alive!!!

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.”
— Revelation 19:20 (KJV)

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
— Revelation 20:10 (KJV)

that's right. These people are leading the world into the new age which is Satanism.

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of entertaining yourself with Wizkid, Davido, Burnaboy or Kiss Daniel music you're deceiving yourself with musicians claiming BORN AGAIN, shey?

Ọmọ all musicians are performing for money nothing like Jesus or gospel in their hearts, so anywhere the spirit of money goes they follow!

Wizkid, Davido, Burnaby or kiss Daniel are working for Satan, turning people to sin and not to God.

These are the last days, many pretenders that masquared themselves as ministers of God will be exposed.

Cc Lalasticlala

Kirk Franklin in his rap said the lion and the lamb will bow down to the goat. He even made the baphomet sign. Watch the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRbEMM3Ay0g

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

Paul through the Holy Spirit said that there will be perilous times in the last days.

We are in that perilous times,

What was noted above in 2 Timothy 3 are the things that are taking place.

People now love their own self this is a reflection of the selfish and self centered life that is being lead by people.

People are being sold the doctrine of "putting yourself first". This is the character of the sin nature.
Jesus didn't put himself first, in fact Jesus expressly stated that he came to do the will of the father. When he came face to face with death he allowed the will of the father be done. As Christians our goal in life should just be to do the will of God.
Humans today are living like animals, they live just for themselves and care for their own interest. God is out of their diary,

In Luke 12 vv 16 -21 the ground of a certain rich man brought much fruit but instead of the man to glorify God with it he glorified himself with it and he lost his soul.

A life that does not bear fruit unto God is a wasted life. .Jesus said any branch in him that beareth not shall be cut off and cast into the fire. People are hearing the word but they mock and laugh, they forgot that they have just a short time to live.

Many people are living and ignoring God, they think that some how by their good deeds they can escape. these are the people having a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.

The power of godliness is Jesus Christ and him crucified.

If the sacrifice of Jesus is not the power of your godliness not matter how good you appear to be no matter how principles, morally upright, religious piety or others they are just counterfeit.
They are a lot of good people in hell, if you are not washed in the blood of Jesus you are a pig, you are unclean and can not enter the kingdom of God.

If you want to enter into the kingdom of God, accept Jesus as saviour, accept his sacrifice, his blood to wash away your sin and bring you in union with God again.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

In way hell is an act of divine hatred for sin.
It is an act of justice against those that commit sin.

elated177:
You are holding tenaciously to your own views and you feel you can compel another person to abandon his own and subscribe to yours. Clap for yourself.

what lead to their being driven out of heaven? Sin right, what is the wages of sin? How did sin affect the fallen angels?

The word "fallen" is not used in the Scriptures to describe the group of messengers who were cast down from heaven. However, it is used to differentiate them from the messengers of YHVH Almighty. They are fallen because they were thrown down from heaven.

good you agreed it is not in the bible.

Fallen messengers are not demons. We are never going to agree with each other on this issue. The Scripture would have been the deciding factor, but no where is it expressly stated so.

Where in the scripture is demons separated from fallen angels?

Demons are part of the powers of darkness. There are many devils. A devil can also be a demon and a demon is also a devil. Satan is "the devil", the chief of devils. The fallen messengers are also devils but Satan is their chief.

So you agree that lucifer a fallen angel is a devil?
@ bolded, End of discussion.
Fallen angels are devils. One question for you
What is the word for devil in both the old testament and new that is in Hebrew and in Greek?
Demons are evil spirit, so apart from evil spirit who else is the power of darkness, good spirit?

I think along what my Scriptures expressly teach. Also, I have the Set-apart Spirit of YHVH Almighty, my Father in heaven, to help me think correctly and in line with what the Scriptures teach. So, steep, what I think matters.

can you illustrate from the bible how you arrive at, " fallen angels are not demons"? you seem to contradict yourself.

What does Satan, the devil, represent? Do try to emotionally blackmail me. It won't work. What sentiment are you on about? If Satan is the chief among the rulers of darkness of this world, is wrong to say that satan is darkness?

you are making a claim that is your own belief unfounded by Scripture.
Make yourself clear what do you mean by darkness?

Who is the master of sin?




What does Satan represent?

I know what the Scripture says. It says Satan entered into Judas. I am telling you that Satan represents evil.

So if all demons are called Satan does that not teach you they are one?

The bible is consistent,
There is no word called "fallen angel" in the bible.
The word "angel" actually means messenger or servant.
In the bible there are angels of God and there are devils.
Devils are also called unclean spirits, foul spirit or demons.
Lucifer is actually a devil, he possessed Judas iscariot.
He is called the prince of this world. John 14 vv30
The prince of the power of the air. Ephesians 2:2
Who are the angels? Of the devil

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The angels of the devil are the fallen angels according to Revelation 12:9

The devil and his angels would be cast into the lake of fire.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Angels of the devil are demons.

elated177:
Aren't they called "fallen" because they were thrown down from heaven.

The word fallen angel is not in the bible it is a theology concept and No they are not called "fallen because they were kicked out of heaven rather they are fallen because they rebelled against God and as a result they became corrupted.

Fallen angels are not demons and demons are not fallen angels. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men.

fallen angels are demons, for example lucifer is called a devil which means he is a demon. Go and check the meaning of demon

Do you know that Satan represents the powers of darkness? The verse may as well be saying that darkness entered Judas. I don't think fallen angels possess humans. Influence? Yes!

The power of darkness are demons, since the devil is the a demon.
It does not matter what you think but what the bible teaches.
The verse did not say darkness entered judas, are you going to re write the bible because it does not suit your sentiment?

In the bible darkness means sin, ignorance of God's knowledge, a mystery.

The bible said Satan entered Judas.

Luke 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

elated177:
Whose bodied did these angels possess here?

Genesis 18: 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

Or here?

Genesis 19: The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground.

I don't think messengers (angels), whether fallen or otherwise, need to possess anybody. However, I will change my view if I get any scriptural proof.

Why do you think the Messiah, as a heavenly being - God in this case, was able to appear to his disciples and disappear and then ascend to heaven in their presence?


About the nephilim, I am still considering that portion. I thought they were the offspring of the fallen messengers and the daughters of men.

I have already dealt with the issue of fallen angels-demons.
What make fallen angels fallen is that their angelic nature has being corrupted and they are now demons.
Even lucifer need to posses Judas in other to directly make use of him.
Read carefully Genesis 6 vv4, I used to think the Nephillims were children of angels until I read it properly.
It says the Nephillims were present in those days meaning when the sons of God married the daughters of men, the Nephillims were already present so how are they now the children of the sons of God?

Janosky:
Yes. God's son Jesus Christ is 2nd Adam.

good, do you know the meaning of Adam?

John 5:37 & John 3:16, Jesus Christ confirm he is not God.

The God Almighty is not a man, John 5:37.

God is not not a man,who said so before. Jesus divine nature did not change from being God rather he added the full human nature.

Oga, your faulty claim is Man made theory not holy scriptures.
Greek John 4:24 , John 5:37 & Numbers 23:19, the God Almighty (ho Theos) is not a man.
The God Almighty (ho Theos ) is NEVER flesh.>

looks like you do not know what ho theos mean, it is just greek gramma of rendering God.

Why would God Almighty have a Father in heaven where he is Almighty?
John 3:16 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus Christ no believe you.
Trinity na scam.
Revelation 1:1 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus Christ is a worshipper. Confirmed.

Ok.

Why will God Almight have a father? God Almighty is a triune being. The father, Son and Holy Spirit are the personalities of each individuals of the one God. It speaks of their role and the way the relate with each other.
Na you be scam.

Janosky:
Oga Steep has rejected John 3:16, John 7:16 & John 4:34.

Revelation 1:1,5-6 & 1 Corinthians 11:3, hierarchy.
Isaiah 6:8, Yahweh the Lord God says: "Whom shall I send?"
John 7:16 & John 3:16, Yahweh the Lord God sends His messenger, Jesus.

John 3:16, John 7:16 & John 4:34, Jesus Christ doctrine belongs to his Superior God.

God the Father can send Jesus because Jesus is the word, Just the same way the holy spirit can be sent.

If you send your friend to do some thing does that mean your friend is less than you? No.

Janosky:
Man made theory not holy scriptures.

It is there in the bible.

Yes, Jesus said that. John 14:28 on earth and also in heaven, Revelation 3:12.

So you agree that atleast Jesus was a man but at what point did Jesu stop being a man? Provide scriptural proof.

Revelation 3:12, Jesus Christ rejects your doctrine.
In heavenly realm, Jesus Christ is a worshipper.
Nobody is equal to his God receiving worship.
Revelation 3:12 & Ephesians 3:14-15.

Jesus is still a man even in heaven.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

If Jesus was not a man in heaven paul won't have called him the man.

Templee333:
If some guys here could just understand that the bible isn't a word of any god, it would save them all this sweaty explanations. I just wonder how many people in future will take the stories of Chinua Achebe as the inspired word of God, Or how ridiculous will it sound when some people in the future begin to believe that C.S.Lewis chronicles of Narnia is the inspired word of God. Maybe some people will start praying to Aslan the Lion to come & save them.
This is 21st Century for god's sake,not the time to debate the myths of ancient Jews.They're stories just to lure children to sleep,not for adults to believe. This people self,wetin dem dey teach una for school?

The bible is the word of God, prophecies in the bible has been proven to true.
Jesus is a real historical person who fulfilled bible prophecy.

elated177:
Genesis 6: 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

If the "sons of God" here meant human males, why was it specifically stated that they saw the "daughters of human"? Weren't human males observing the beauty of the daughters of other humans from the beginning?

Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

From the Scripture, it could be clearly seen that the "sons of God" were angels (messengers) and not human males.

Seth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, etc, were all humans and they all married their fellow human beings. It was nothing strange.

So, the sons of God mentioned in the Scriptures above were messengers (angels).

Genesis 6 vv 4 said the nephilims were already on earth when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men meaning the nephilims were not the product of of the marriage between the sons of God and daughters of men because they were present when he marriage takes place.
As for the identity of the Sons of God, there is also evidence that they might be humans but however if they are fallen angels then they could have possessed human body in any case the children would still be humans.

Janosky:

"Is" not in John 1:1. Don't ADD to holy scriptures.

1 Corinthians 8:6
"There is ONLY ONE GOD, The Father".
The ONLY ONE GOD in Greek John1:1 is the God (ho Theos) the Father.
Whether in heaven or earth, every other being is a god. This is holy scriptures.
1 Corinthians 8:6 corroborates John 1:1 & Psalm 82:6.
The word was a god @John1:1, that is always the rendition of John 10:33, Jesus is a god.
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Christendom DUBIOUSLY CHANGED "a god" to capitalise 'God'.

There is nothing like "a god" in John 1 vv 1, if not provide the Greek interlinear

The scrupture says the word is God, John 1 vv1 not a God but God himself.

Jesus is both equal to God and less than God.
How? In his divinity Jesus is equal with God the father in every aspect but in his humanity he is less than God since he is a man.
Jesus is the Almighty. Revelation 1 vv8
He is the Almighty God that took the human nature.
Jesus is called the second Adam he is the source of the new humanity since the old one had being corrupted by sin.
He is the first man in the new creation but however he is God.
Jesus embodies two nature, the divine and the human nature, hence he is forever the God-man, he is like a bridge, a meeting point between the divine(uncreated) and man(created).

He will never stop being God as well as he will never stop being man.

In Jesus christ the plan of the father to have a perfect world without sin is fulfilled, hence in him the father is well pleased.

Very soon this old creation will pass away Althose who are not in christ are part of the old creation and the new one will come, this new one is eternal.

Kobojunkie:
Anyways, to those who aren't beyond reasoning. Jesus Christ is a God begotten of God Himself - He comes from the very essence of the Most High. At the same time the Most High is greater than Jesus Christ.

Humans are created by Jesus Christ, and then the few transformed into Sons of God by Jesus Christ. Meaning Sons of God are gods lesser than Jesus Christ hence Jesus Christ is God over us all.

Stop propagating lies here.

As far as you are in my thread your heresy will not be tolerated.

pappy2000:
i just want to live right

commendable of you. First you have to go into prayer to ask God for his will in all of this.

You can separate yourself from her, while you pray. It seems your wife is not a Christian, that is the mistake you made if it is so.

Also it seems she is done with the marriage, if so, let her go and have your peace.
In that case you are free to marry someone else.

Kobojunkie:
Again, stop with the meaningless ramblings in what seems an attempt to mask that which is obvious.

The context is John 1 vs 1

Yes, Jesus is a God - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God
Yes, Jesus is God - ....and the Word was God

What part of that can you really not see in your meaningless attempt to draw issues where there exists none? Why are you so insecure?

junk head. You think that God is a joke, God is a consuming fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


You think you are mocking God, your end will come soon.