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Kobojunkiee:
The thoughts you claim are yours are from the doctrines of such ideas. They are not from scripture.

so they are your ideas, right?

Kobojunkiee:
This same thought of yours seems to be shared by many who are into the arts of demonology and angelology, mostly of pagan leanings ... any idea how come?

Where did you see the art demonology and angelology?

The demonic who was residing in the tombs had super human strength.

Luke 8:29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)

Meaning his body had enhanced strength, he was able to brake metal chains like nothing.

BirtherOfKings:
Funny thought
Thanks for sharing

thanks, just my thought.

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

There is debate about the identity of the Sons of God in Genesis 6.

I believe the Sons of God were angels (fallen) but however, they could easily have possessed the bodies of human male to marry and bare children. The children would be purely human, however, since it is known that the presence of demons in humans causes such humans to have enhanced abilities, the genetic make up of the children could have being altered so that their children had enhanced human abilities.

This is just my thought anyway

Having done som research in the bible
I don't think the Sons of God are actually angels.

I will create a new post for it.

TenQ:
I obey the commands of Christ: in the operation of my faith in Obedience, I learn thing you wont ever read in the scriptures. Did the scripture teach belivers how to preach, heal or conduct a deliverance? These are learnt by DOING!

Nephilims are NOT human my dear.

They are Hybrids of Human and Fallen Angels. They are neither Angels nor humans.

Now, the question again: When a Nephilim dies, where does their soul go to?

When it comes to spiritual truths a Christian should depends solely on the bible not on experience or any other.
You are wrong the Nephillims were humans who were giants.


Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The nephilims were humans.

mysticwarrior:
since demons are fallen angels how are they inferior to angels?

they are fallen that is why they are inferior.
when Adam sinned, he fell,he was no longer the way he was before he fell.
When angels sinned their angelic nature becomes corrupt, they become unclean spirit. The only way the can interact physically with the physical world is to inhabit a physical body.
Lucifer is a demon and he too can possess a body.
In the Garden of Eden he possess the body of a serpent in the new testament he possessed Judas iscariot.

The idea that fallen angels are different from demons is not scriptural.

John 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Note that Satan/lucifer personally possessed Judas iscariot.

TenQ:
1. Angels are created as a free being. They do NOT need to inhabit human bodies: it is demeaning to them.
2. When a Nephillim dies, do they also go to Sheol?

Demons are fallen angels because lucifer himself is a demon.

Nephillim are humans.

I have been previledged by Christ to cast out a few demons, I can tell you that demons are inferior to Angels!
Demons are afraid of angels but not fallen angels!

I depend on scrupture not experience. What does the bible teach is all that matters.

Demons are inferior to angels because they are actually fallen angels.

TenQ:
1. Do angels prefer to inhabit human or animal bodies?

The truth is that, Only people who have never cast out unclean spirits believe that they are fallen angels. Just my observation, no insult intended!

2. When a human being dies, what happens to his soul/spirit?

1. Why would angels inhabit human or animal bodies? However, demons are fallen angels meaning their angelic nature is already corrupt.

@ bolded you mean exorcists. The opposite people who really cast out demons know they are fallen angels.

2. When a human dies their soul/spirit either ends in sheol or be with the Lord.

Abortion is murder, pure and simple. The Bible said the devil is a murderer and his children will always do his works.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

TenQ:
Demons are NOT angels. They are UNCLEAN spirits. Angels don't need human or animal hosts to manifest themselves. Falling angels are the Principalities and Powers and Rulers of the darkness of this world.

angels are spirits. But fallen angels are unclean spirit or evil spirits.
lucifer a demon is a fallen angel so are all other demons.

elated177:
Neither demonology nor angelology is my thing. I stick with what has been expressly revealed in the Scriptures, both the ones they call the canonized and the non-canonized. It means, therefore, that the ranks of demons are of no importance where the Spirit of YHVH Almighty, of Yahushua the Messiah, is. They all bow down and submit to the authority of YHVH Almighty, of Yahushua the Messiah, when exercised by the saints, servants, followers and messengers of Yahushua the Messiah, regardless of their ranks or titles. .

I never said that the prince of Persia, as referred to in the portion of the Scripture under review, was a human being. Nope!

Where in the Scriptures is it written that demons are fallen messengers?

It is not explicitly stated, however, the term "devils" refers to demons.
If "The devil" who is a demon, is a fallen angel then it follows that devils are actually fallen angels.

pappy2000:
Please I bring this under religious section for a reason, this is my personal story, I am now a born again Christian who is separated from a woman that is far from ideal but deceived me, while we were dating i was just a lukewarm Christian who just try to fulfil righteous and tick the right boxes in society. Unfortunately for me, we got married then we separated after four months what was the cause of our separation was that she is plain stubborn who is over entitlement mentality is awful, I don't want to bore you so many intricacies, we got separated and her family tried to bring us back even though they are obviously supporting her, now fast forward two and the half years later we are separated living separatly, now i am heaven conscious but if i were to live in the flesh i will say i don't want to have anything to do with her again but due to the fact that i am now a born again Christian i called her and she said she is no longer interested. i honestly don't also want her but not my will but the will of my father be done , i have been searching the Scripture but with no clear answer about this, we are separated i cant say i have seen her cheating but this woman is ultra stubborn, she is just one big hell of a person, but cheating i doubt. please what does the Scripture say about such divorce i will apreciate yur input from a Christian babes

Since you tried to reconcile and she refused let her go.

If she said she is not interested let her go.

1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

elated177:
Stick to what the Scriptures say, please. No where in the Scriptures was such even implied. If I am wrong, correct me.

Yes you are wrong. The prince of Persia is not human but a demonic principality.

Ephesians 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


Note that there are principalities in the heavenlies.
The prince of Persia is a principality hence called a prince, Michael is also a principality hence also called a prince but he is of God.


Demons are fallen angels but have different ranks and functions, even lucfer is a demon and a principality hence he is called the prince of this world.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Yes there are higher level demons that are possible stronger than certain level of angels.

ichuka:
Yes that's true

good to see you bro.

ichuka:
But He also entered a covenant with Noah after the flood
Gen9:17..New American Standard Bible
And God said to Noah, "This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth."

The covenant God made with Abraham is unique because God was going to raise a nation that would be called by his name.

Maynman:
Dunce, if you have the ability to be unlimited, do you also have ability to be limited?

You are really a dullard!

Maynman:
Is walking and sitting opposite, are you a dullard?
And besides you said your jewish saviour was human and divine(deus) at the SAME TIME.
Dunce, can you be walking and seating the SAME TIME?

dullard am I talking of walking and seating? Or the ability to do it?

Maynman:
If you have unlimited knowledge and you can “chose” to limit it when you feel like, then you really didn’t limit it, you are just acting dumb and ignorant, you know exactly what you are doing.



Since he has to choose between humanity and divinity, and when he chooses humanity he STOPS being divine. You said it, he has to “choose” one at a time.
If a man can fly and walk, and he STOPS his ability to fly, then he can no longer fly even though he USED to fly, we can no longer say he can fly again, so as your god when he “chose” to be human, we can no longer say he is divine.
Besides flying and walking are not opposites like limited and unlimited, you should have used walking and crippled.

If you have the ability to walk and seat but chose to sit, you are dumb? That is how stupid you sound.

Abdulgaffar22:
How can you possess two opposing abilities at the same time ? Is either Jesus is God (having unlimited knowledge) or Jesus is human (having limited knowledge). He cannot be both God and human at the same time. Take it or leave it

You can also say a man cannot possess two abilities at the same time.
How can a man have the ability to stand and the ability to walk at the same time?

Abdulgaffar22:
1. Nobody can deny the fact that some things (like stars, sun, moon, trees, water, mountains, animals, human beings etc) exist right now.

2. These very things that exist right now can never originate or came from absolute nothing. This is because out of absolute nothing, nothing comes (i:e 0+0+0+0+0........=0). In other words, absolute nothing cannot manipulate itself to become something

3. Therefore, if some things exist right now and these things can never originate or came from absolute nothing, then at least, one something that has no beginning must always exist

4. This very something that has no beginning is what believers depicted as "God" and unbelievers or atheists depicted as "nature". Therefore, either God or nature must always exist without having no beginning. Hence, which one always exist without beginning; God or nature ? Let's proceed

5. Anything that change must definitely have a beginning. See the reason below ;

(i). A "change" always involve a transformation from "ORIGINAL STATE" to a "NEW STATE" in relation to time

(ii). Therefore, for a change to occur, the time frame required for the "original state" of an entity to exist must have been completed or finished. Otherwise, the "new state" would never begin to exist

(iii). Hence, if the time frame required for the "original state" of an entity to exist have been completed or finished, then such entity could not have been in existence for an infinite time.

(iv). And if an entity could not have been in existence for an infinite time, then such entity must began to exist

(v). So anything that change must definitely have a beginning

6. But it is an undeniable fact that "nature" is constantly changing from one state to another (e.g from day to night, from rainy season to dry season, from non-living matter to living matter etc). Therefore, nature must definitely have a beginning. Hence, following from step (4) above, the only entity that has no beginning and therefore can never change is God ;

"For I am the Lord. I change not (Malachi 3:6)".

"You will not find a change in Our ways (Qur'an 17:77)"

7. Now if something (i:e God) that has no beginning cannot change, then anything that change must definitely have a beginning and therefore cannot be God.

8. Therefore, if Jesus who was previously existing in heaven (according to Orthodox Christianity) later CHANGE to become a "MAN" walking on the surface of the Earth, then from what is explained above, Jesus (or any other entity that also change) cannot be God.

Of course, Bible itself confirm this obvious truth ;

As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus answered “Why do you call me good? No one is good—except God alone (Mark 10:17-18)

Look how Jesus rejected being called good and then acknowledged that only God is deserved to be called good.

See how both the logic and the scripture prove that Jesus cannot be God.

What can be more clearer than this ?

Jesus incarnation is not God changing to become a man, No.
Rather God taking on an additional nature which is that of a man. His nature as God did not change whatsoever in any way.
In the hypostatic union both nature are not mixed, the human nature is 100%human and the divine nature is 100%divine, so Jesus could demonstrate the attributes of these nature at any time.

The scriptures is angry with the wicked everyday.

Psalms 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Who is a wicked person?
A wicked person is am adulterer/adulterers, a fornicator is a wicked person, a liar, a theif/scamer, an idolater, a backwater, a blasphemer, an effimate, a murderer, all false pastors/ false propets/false teachers, everyone who supports evil, etc
People who do these things are wicked people.

As Christian we are commanded to flee these things.

2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

The world lies in wickedness,

1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

The spirits that rule human beings are called spirits of wickedness. It is this spirits we are up against.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

All these wickedness are in our flesh that is why we are commanded to mortify the flesh through the Spirit.

This is for our sanctification!

Maynman:
Since you chose not to walk, can we say you are walking at that moment?
When your jesus was human, can we say he is divine at that moment?
You can’t be both at the same time.
If not for religion indoctrination, it’s simple to understand.

He was both divine and human at the same time.

The question is when you chose "not to walk" Did you lose the ability to walk?

You are the one that is indoctrinated.

You are dodging.

Maynman:
But walking and flying is?

Who said it is?
Even if we use the opposite of walking which is " not walking" when you chose not to walk does that mean you lose the ability to walk?

Maynman:
Is hanger and aeroplane opposite like limited and unlimited?
Why don’t you use walking and crippled? And see how you sound.

walking and cripple are not opposite.

Since he has to choose between humanity and divinity, and when he chooses humanity he STOPS being divine. You said it, he has to “choose” one at a time.
If a man can fly and walk, and he STOPS his ability to fly, then he can no longer fly even though he USED to fly, we can no longer say he can fly again, so as your god when he “chose” to be human, we can no longer say he is divine.

Jesus didn't choose between divinity and humanity, no where did I ever said so.
He is God but also added the humanity to himself.
In your statement, you calmed if a man can both walk and fly buy chooses to walk means that he loses the ability to fly and I asked you a question, when an airplane is in the hanger dis it lose its ability to fly?

Maynman:
If you have unlimited knowledge and you can “chose” to limit it when you feel like, then you really didn’t limit it, you are just acting dumb and ignorant, you know exactly what you are doing.



Since he has to choose between humanity and divinity, and when he chooses humanity he STOPS being divine. You said it, he has to “choose” one at a time.
If a man can fly and walk, and he STOPS his ability to fly, then he can no longer fly even though he USED to fly, we can no longer say he can fly again, so as your god when he “chose” to be human, we can no longer say he is divine.
Besides flying and walking are not opposites like limited and unlimited, you should have used walking and crippled.

So because an aeroplane is in the hanger means it is no longer an airplane?

Abdulgaffar22:
Do you know where the problem lies ? There are some verses in the same Bible that has nothing to do with Jesus humanity but simply appear to disprove his divinity.

For example ;
1. why did Jesus refer to God the Father as the only true God in John 17:3 if Jesus is also a member of a triune God ?

The context of Jesus words is in reference to other deities.
Jesus is not another deity separate rom the father same with the holy spirit.

2. Why did God the Father declared in "Isaiah 44:6 that there is no God besides Me" if Jesus is God and he is obviously different from God the Father

Jesus is not a separate God from the Father.

. Why did Jesus reject being called good and then stated that only God is good in Mark 10:18 ?

Jesus the man who Jesus was speaking to only saw Jesus as a mere mortal.

. Why did Jesus clearly distinguish himself from God by saying believe in God and believe also in me in John 14:1 ?

in the Trinity there is distinction of personhood

5. Why did Jesus not clearly mentioned in Mark 12:29 that God is triune in nature rather than re-establishing the Jewish belief that God is one as mentioned in Deuteronomy 6:4 ?

Do you know that Deutronomy 6 vv4 supports the triune nature of God? The unity in Deuteronomy 6 vv4 is a unity of plurality not a singular unity.



You have digressed to the Trinity. The Trinity has nothing to do with Roman catholicism.

As for Mary being the mother of God it only means Mary carried God in her womb.

it does not mean God was formed in Mary's womb.

TheRealOwner:
Mere men speaking for a being they have neither seen, heard or communicate with

Keep arguing over words written thousands of years ago. That's certainly how to better your lives

that book is the book of truth. It reveals the state of man, the truth about God and his plans for mankind.

Abdulgaffar22:
Besides, how can the same person be All-knowing and still possessing limited knowledge at the same time. Such attributes are contradictory ! They cannot exist together in the same person at the same time. One must disappear in order for the other to stay in one person. Or else you want to say that Jesus is composed of two different persons in which one person posses unlimited knowledge and the other person possess limited knowledge.

That a man who can both fly and walk chose to walk does not mean his ability to fly disappeared.
Jesus is both man and God he can choose to display his humanity or his divinity.
Jesus can choose to be all knowing or he can chose to limit his knowledge.
To your question, omniscience is an attribute of God and also limited knowledge is an attribute of man, I am not saying Jesus was all knowing and not unknowing at the same time but rather he had both abilityat the same time and could manifest whichever he would.

Abdulgaffar22:
Yes, you can choose to walk when you have the ability to fly.

But when your ability to fly is highly expected and required (to convince the people who has never seen you flying) and you still choose to walk, then your ability to fly would be questionable.

Of course, we have all accepted that Jesus was a human being. The bone of contention is his divinity. However, when the evidence for his divinity (that Jesus is really an omniscient God) is highly expected and required to be displayed, the scripture (Mark 11:12-14) only give the evidence for his humanity at the expense of his divinity.

The evidence of his divinity is also in the scripture.
The people around Jesus saw him do, teach the way a mortal man can not.

Luke 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

The pharisee knew that only God can forgive sin, yet Jesus forgive sin.

Jesus called himself the "I AM" which is an exclusive name of God.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

So there is sufficient proof of both Jesus humanity and divinity in the bible.

Abdulgaffar22:
Remember what you stated up there ; the fact that God became man didn't remove his divine nature. Hence, if Jesus was still having his divine nature during his mission on the Earth, why he didn't know that fig tree had no fruits ? Or his divine nature was absent from him during that very period of time ?

If you have the ability to fly and walk but you choses to walk does that mean you have lost the ability to fly?
That Jesus chose to limit himself to his humanity does not mean the absence of his divinity.