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tctrills:
Bro you are confused oh. Please point out my lie. And of course, my questions should be my thoughts. You don't seem to be making much sense. Maybe you should calm down, gather your thoughts and then communicate. There is no reason to get angry just because we don't agree.

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tctrills:
Oga, I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying that the devil wrote the bible?
Again, every true Christian knows that death is nothing but rest for the righteous. Daniel 12.2 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

oga you are the one saying what I never said.
Funny you your questions are your own thought.
All your questions are your thoughts, seems lying is natural to you.

tctrills:
That's your opinion bro. But you need to stick to the word of God. Adam acquired the knowledge of Good and Evil from eating the fruit and not from Listening to God.

bro don't spin this, you are the one that said so. you even thank Adam for bring death on you.
Even devil quote God's word, you are not new.

tctrills:
You need to calm down, Adam did not obtain knowledge of Good and Evil from God telling him rather, he obtained it from eating the fruit which is what the bible teaches unless you don't agree with the bible.
That you actually believe that Adam acquired the knowledge of good and bad from God telling him and not from eating the fruit shows you do not agree with the bible. The Bible never taught that Adam learned Good and Evil from God telling him. So let's know if you have a problem with the bible's narrative.
Also, how would you interpret this scripture; Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

you are the one that have a problem with the bible.

tctrills:
Are you listening to yourself? Adam does not possess the knowledge of good and evil himself but he knew it was evil to eat from the fruit. In what world does this statement make any sense?

you are the one Clearly confused here.
Adam cannot decide what is good or evil by himself except what God told him. I have repeated it over and over again.
Adam had no self awareness of what is good or evil except what God told him. Read my words in context and don't pull a line to confuse yourself.

You also say "anyone that eats the fruit of it will have a self-awareness of what good and evil is." So, was Adam self-awareness of good and evil before eating the fruit?
You seem to be neither here nor there. Adam either had knowledge of right and wrong or he did not. Where really do you stand sir? You don't need to be controversial, this is so simple.

you pull out a single sentence and twist it.

tctrills:
You seem not to understand the words. God made the statement " the man has become like one of us" after the fruit was eaten. Man was not born with the knowledge of good and evil that was why God used the tense 'Man has become.' it is simple English Man has become...
Questions for you;
Why did God call it the tree of Knowlege of Good and Evil?
Have you never disobeyed God even after reading that the wages of sin is death?

Is it that difficult to grasped? You Adam does not possess the knowledge of good and evil himself but he knew it was evil to eat from the fruit.
A tree bear fruit of itself, God calls it the tree of knowledge of God and evil because anyone that eats the fruit of it will have a self awareness of what good and evil is.
Yes of cause nobody that has not sinned even while he or she knows the consequences.

Omotakins:
so kobojunkie is a girl, waaooh!! The tenacity with which she presses on with her false doctrine gave me an impression she was male.

yes, she is.

tctrills:
You claim that Adam had the knowledge of Good and evil before eating the fruit then, why did God say, "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil"
If Adam had the knowledge of good and evil there would have been no need for the tree or the fruit.
Now if you have kids, let's say a 2-year-old who does not have the knowledge of good and evil when they disobey you, would you give them the punishment of a disobedient 16 years old kid?

note the word " the man has become like one of us" the knowledge of good and evil is part of God's nature in that he knew what was good or evil by himself. the knowledge of good and evil became part of man's inherent nature" that is what it means man became independent from God.

A two year old does not fully understand his actions unlike a sixteen year old. However, Adam was never like a two year old, he knew eating from that tree would bring death and he ate, so he knew the implications of his action.

tctrills:
The fruit is the fruit of Knowledge of good and evil. If Adam knew good and evil, then he did not need the fruit.

Not true before Admam ate the fruit he knew that eating from the tree was bad because God told him however, after he ate from the tree, his nature now determine what is good or evil instead of God, that is why God asked him who told him he was naked.

Genesis 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Before now Adam only knew what God told him.

tctrills:
We all know that we need the knowledge of good but do we also need the knowledge of evil?
A better question would be, does God our Father have the knowledge of both Good and Evil?
If God has this knowledge, then we his children also need this same knowledge. We are like God because of our knowledge of Good and evil.

God is the one who determines what is good and what is evil. God already told Adam what was evil and what was good. So Adam knows something is evil or good only when God told him so however, eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil means that Adam will no longer be dependent on God in knowing good and evil.
The result of this is sin God in his nature is holy, righteous, good, just. God's knowledge of good and evil is in holiness, love and righteous but human beings need to depend on God in other to live his life but however when Adam chose independence he separated himself from God, the result was sin and death.

Outside God is pain, judgment, God himself is life separating yourself from this life is nothing but death. That is what Adam and Eve did when they chose indepence from God by eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
In summary, God possessing the knowledge of good and evil is fitting because he is God but humans are not God it destroyed them through sin.
Anyone that eat from the tree of life becomes morally independent from God, the result is sin and death.

tctrills:
How did evil enter the world? Ans; the same way good entered the world.
It was not Adam that planted the tree.
But by eating the fruit, Adam chose to obtain the knowledge of good and evil, but he also chose death for all mankind.
Instead of blaming Adam for bringing death, let us thank him for the Knowledge of Good and evil that makes us like God and let's thank Jesus Christ for overcoming death for all mankind.
Because of Adam and Jesus Christ, we have the knowledge of Good and Evil and we would all resurrect to die no more.

you are actually thanking Adam for disobeying God and bringing death to you.
The wages of sin is death.

advanceDNA:
@steep

I hope you are not trying to win an arguement with kobo junkie or make her see your view..? That's a broken arrow... a total waste of time and energy...perhaps Pride or a false feeling of superiority, she will always come up with angle to make her opinion better or to invalidate yours....

When it comes to religion...She's something very close to JWs...She believes she's the only one following God/Jesus and every other person are just followimg men of God and with the only right interpretation of the scriptures......

thanks I will no longer reply her. She is in delusion.

Kobojunkie:
Pretty much over 99.9 % of His conversations were with those of Jewish decent. So, are we to take it then that Jesus Christ didn't even mean much of what He said for all, but for the Jews alone?

you are the one that said only the Jewish Christians are saved by Grace that gentiles has to keep the teachings of Jesus to be saved. Whereas Jews primary audience were the jews. You are a confused junkie.
That verse you quoted to support your nonsense were primarily for the jews to be saved.
Secondly, you are the one that claim that Paul's teachings on salvation through faith in Jesus was for jews alone mean while I showed you were Paul was referring to the Gentiles.
Going by your crap junk, Jesus teachings should only apply to the jews because Jesus was speaking to the jews and he said he came only for the lost sheep of Israel.

Jesus Christ clearly explained in the context that the way to KNOW the Truth is through continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments, something all of those who are His followers do. What that implies is it is impossible to KNOW the TRUTH, Jesus Christ, apart from living in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and Commandments of Jesus Christ.

junks as usual.
1.Who was Jesus speaking to Jews or gentiles?
2 . Where did Jesus mention "continuous submission" you are the one going about accusing others of adding their thought to scriptures here but you don't see you own poo.
You are just like your father the devil a liar and a false accuser.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Indeed, Jesus Christ is God's Truth - John 14 vs 6 -, the embodiment of God's New agreement and Covenant,- Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30 and Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 - and according to Jesus Christ, those who are His followers are those obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 15 - 20 - and those in whom the Spirit of Truth abides, those who love Him, are those who obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 21 - 26 and John 16 vs 4 - 15.

twisting and turning scripture up side down.
How do you say the jews are saved by Grace when they were the primary people Jesus teaching?
You are being used by the devil.
According to you grace is for the jews only whereas look at the conversation Jesus

Luke 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

So, either you believe all of what Jesus Christ taught His followers or you don't believe any of what Jesus Christ taught at all.

clown, that s what you teach, you are the one who claim Jesus teach work for salvation for the gentiles and the grace for jews alone.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, the one who died on the cross, told you instead that for your sins in the Kingdom of God, it is only by knowing the Truth - this through continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - will you then be set free from slavery to sin by the Truth - John 8 vs 31 - 35, and it is only if you stand faithful - in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - until the end, will you then be saved by the Truth - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 & Mark 13 vs 13. So is it that you don't believe what Jesus Christ taught at all?

Jesus never said the nonsense you wrote there.

According to John 8 vs 31 Jesus was speaking to the jews.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

You pervert the word of God to propagate your satanic woke ideology.

Jesus said you will know the truth and guess who is the truth?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus even reiterated it in that very passage .
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus was clearly teaching that truth was a person and that person is the Son which can set free.

Your satanic teaching that states that gentiles does not need the blood of Jesus turns on its head.

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The gentiles who believe in Jesus are saved by the blood just as the Jews who believed.
In fact Paul states that the blood of Jesus brought the gentiles to who were far from God to God.

What you are propagating is similar to gnostsis
Gnostisis teaches that Enlightenment is what will save man, the teach that through special knowledge man could attain to divinity.

Since you deny or reject that sacrifice of Jesus then your sin remains with you.
Nothing can take away sin except the blood of Jesus denying this means you have chosen to remain in darkness and your destiny is the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Kobo I saying this out of the love of God, Satan has decieved you and is leading people astray through you. Repent now!

Moving death

Kobojunkie:
7 Romans vs 24 - 28 & Romans 5 vs 9 and Matthew 12 vs 37 - [/b]This is also not a contradiction but again arises from a lack of understanding on the part of the OP. Those whose sin debt - to God's Old Covenant Law - was erased by Jesus Christ's death on the cross, the Jewish Christians, are those justified by Grace. God's promise to those of the Old Covenant was Eternal life(Life) for the righteous - [b]Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - aka Grace. By resolving their debt to God's Old Law, and freely giving them Eternal life, Jesus Christ essentially justified them according to the Old Covenant standard i.e. He gave freely to them righteousness by the Old Covenant Standard meaning they too will inherit not only the New Covenant promise but also God's Old Covenant promises/benefits as a result of Jesus's Christ's sacrifice for them. undecided

Kobojunkie perverter of the truth of Christ.
Denying Jesus christ that bought you.


2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Among all the junks you spewed out.
Number 7 exposes you most as an anti christ.

According to you only the jews sin were paid on the cross.

The bible already conclud both jews and gentiles under sin with no exception

Since you are not a Jew then you have condemned yourself already by rejecting the sacrifice of Jesus.

What you are propagating on nairaland is not the doctrine of Jesus christ but of the devils.

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Maynnmann:
Gospel of thomas, one of the book that didn’t make it to Christian bible because of Canon.

Do you even know the meaning of canonization? It is a process of separating fake from genuine.

Maynnmann:
It does, it was written even much older than mark.

much older than mark does not make it genuine. Such books were written to counterfeit Christianity.

Carcholce:
Yes I know that. I didn’t say they were from the Bible. I just needed help to understand their meanings.

That book has nothing to do with Jesus.
I will advise only seek spiritual knowledge from the bible.

Carcholce:
I have no idea where in the Bible. I got it from online and it said “The lost gospel of Thomas”

It’s in PDF format. There’s a lot sayings/parables in it by Jesus but it is said they were removed or not included in the Bible.

The lost gospel of Thomas is not the bible.

cococandy:
Who said there’s no God? Man you are exhausting.

Just know that the way the idea of your nation becoming a Muslim nation offends you is the same way forcing your religion on others offends them.

If you can picture that, you’ll learn to mind your own faith.

you are the one who quoted me, now you are exhausted.
I didn't say you to don't believe there is God.
Only a fool say there is no God.

you are the one forcing your LGBT beliefs on others, that is your religion. Take your own advice.

Same way a nation becoming a Muslim offends you same way your LGBT offends others.

cococandy:
It’s
Also the thing you call worthless ideology is something strong enough to brainwash young white boys into taking guns to schools to shoot down their brown classmates because someone told them that’s the way to maintain a white Christian America. It’s not worthless if it can cost you your life or your kid’s life.

or just as feminism brainwashed alot of women to think it is OK to kill their children?

Or Are babies life less than adults?

They are worthless ideologies because they only lead the soul to decay more.

Only a fool says there is no God. Cococandy you should there is God and he will hold everyone accountable for their ways.

Are you afraid of just physical death or don't you know everyone by nature dies?

Jesus said we should not fear the person that is only able to kill the body but the person that can kill both the body and soul that is whom you should fear.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

cococandy:
It’s like a Muslim saying someone wants to distract Nigeria from the Islamic values of Nigeria. See how that sounds? As a Christian you won’t like that. You’ll probably say what Islamic values? It can’t be that hard to see others from your own perspective. If you don’t want someone claiming their religion as the default by which everyone should abide, you shouldn’t be okay with doing it either.

There should be separation of church and state.

you make a fool of yourself, Nigeria has never being an Islamic country, America had the Christian values at the core of her constitution right from inception.


Only a fool will say there is no God.

Whether the left wing or right wing both are controlled by the occults. All are playing their parts in ensuring the new world order.

The left is openly opposed to the Christian values and explicitly follow Satan while the right pretends to support Christian value but in reality both are for Satan.

Do you know where the word "The left" came from?

It came from the parable of Jesus

Matthew 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

The left in this parable are called the goats, they those who are cursed of the father.

The devil is wicked, the idea behind the left is to rebel against the Christian values of America and to enthroned satanic values.

The right on the other decieve the gullible that they are fighting to restore America foundational values meanwhile they are make a mockery of christianity by painting the Christian value in a bad light such as op.

Burning of witches is normally attributed to Christianity which of course has nothing to do with it. majority of witches where believed to be women although Christianity has nothing to do with it.

Witchcraft is all about manipulation, it is about turning people away from the gospel of Jesus christ.

The is obvious, the right wing makes mockery of the Christianity, while the left points to it to say " you see we told you they are bad, they are trying to enslave you and go against your freedom".
The left parades themselves as humanity saiviour especially from religious enslavement to only follow reason and common sense.

If you are a non Christian you never know what is happening you will keep on be decieved.

Same scenario playing out during the Ukraine war where they are trying to portray themselves as fighting for democracy and humanity freedom while Russia plays the role of the unreasonable tyrannical conservationist.

The manipulation is obvious, you might wonder what is the reason behind all these
One word "control". It is is to have maximum control as possible, once the mind of a people is controlled then all they have is under their controller.

Jesus died for you repent and believe in Jesus. This is not a religious mumble jumble it is true.

There is God and he is going to judge humanity by his standards which according to that standard everyone is guilty of sin and therefore will perish for all eternity.

Don't allow the devil deceive you to be pursuing worthless ideology and movements at the expense of the most important things which is the salvation of your soul.

Jesus is the only way.

The difference is, Jesus is the bright and morning star but Satan is just morning star.

AntiChristian:
You said sin is hereditary before. Now you're saying sin as a nature is transferable! Who transfered the sin to Adam? See as you cut all the questions comot in hypocrisy!

what questions? You are the hypocrites here. After answering you, you repeat it again.
In the bible there is sin as an act and sin as a nature. The sin that is hereditary is the sin nature.

We also inherit Adam's punishment right? How is that just and loving?

If your father leaves a dilapidated house for you, is God transferring your father's punishment to you?

I no dey fight with you. Deoxyribonucleic acid is transferred as Allah created them during copulation and fertilization. There's ample chance of getting more characters of one parent to the other. Your sin theory doesn't work like DNA! DNA can't be changed!

this is where your confusion lies. You think the way sin is treated is the same way the bible speaks of sin.
Who is speaking of theory? DNA can't be change by man but God can change it. Sin is like a DNA transfered to all man, just like DNA man can't change.



[qupte]The price is to repent sincerely in Islam. In Christianity, blood must be paid. God needed to kill His son. Allah's name is Al-Qudoos. Where is the lie? Tell me which name of your God translates to Holiness?[/quote]It goes to show how lightly Allah regards sin. Let me give you an example, A country that places death penalty on corruption and a country that places death sentence on corruption and a country that places a one day sentence on corruption, which one do think hate corruption the more? The price yahweh placed on sin shows how much he hates sin, it shows how holy he is.
If you say allah is just then you lie, a man guilty of death should die, that is justice. If allah only demand repentance from one that is guilty of death he shows he is not just neither is allah holy.

Justice means the penalty must equal to the crime, anything other than this is not justice.

you forgive someone you need not punish him anymore. You rather punish before forgiveness. And there's no justice nor love in punishing the descendants of a sinner.

forgiveness is not justice. If you forgive someone then you have paid that person according as he deserved, this is not justice. Justice means pay everyone according as they deserve.
Lol@ bold so you punish before forgiveness, right. So someone who is guilty of death, you will kill him before forgiving him right?
Who told you God is punishes Adam's children for their father's sin?

Which price did Judah pay for sleeping with his daughter in law? Which price did Lot and his daughters pay for commiting incest? All these are the grandparents of your Jesus. Even David was a murderer, coveter, adulterer yet Jesus didn't inherit the sinful nature. He was sinless.

Nobody can pay for their sin. The acts of Juda, lots daughters, David etc shows they were sinners just like everyone else and guilty of death.
Jesus birth was a miracle because Jesus conception was not like other humans. Just like Adam's creation was a miracle so was Jesus conception and birth, hence Jesus didn't share from the sin nature of his mary.

Muhammad died because everyone will die. Only Allah doesn't die.

Mohammad died because Allah willed it right? So does that mean Allah killed Mohammad?

So Jesus as a son of man had whose DNA? God's DNA right not Mary's?

I will ask you one question, who's DNA did Adam bare? If Adam's DNA comes from God and yet he was a man so is Jesus DNA. By the way I am not saying sin is DNA but rather sin nature can be likened to DNA that is transfered.

Jesus must have inherited the sinful nature of his ancestors as listed in his two different genealogies in your Gospels. Don't let me call you a liar!

Jesus genealogies are through is foster father Joseph and Mary wo carried Jesus in her womb.
Joseph adopted Jesus, since in Israel a child's lineage is by law traced through his father's, so Jesus lineage could be lawfully be traced through his foster father Joseph.

Since he is human then he is a sinner cos all has sinned and come short of the glory of God.
How was he exempted from inheriting the sinful nature?

If someone said "I have everything at home:, then you will say he has all existence at home? Lol.
Learn to read according to context.

All have sinned is talking of all who inherited the Adami nature.