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chiself:
The UK make most of their money from the service industry (Banking, insurance, fund management etc). These are run by the "should off crew", the Essex boys and girls. Most joining from school and by-passing university. These are the high flyer. I work in this sector and last year the tax man collected from me (using the Nigeria exchange equivalent) of 30 Million Naira!

As for those who want to Japa, as Mr T would say, "I pity the fool!"

Walking into modern slavery!

But why are you converting your money to naira, you don't spend in naira. Besides you must have made a lot of income for that high tax.

1Sharon:
You don't get it.

People that are doing shit, low paid jobs aren't paying much taxes at all. That's why the UK people are sick of immigration. Lowly educated immigrants, take out more from the system than they contribute. That's an economic drain, not a benefit. High paying earners are carrying the UK economy. The more you earn, the more you're taxed.

Another Ignorant post with a lot of mis-information.

UK high paying earners does NOT carry the economy, the average salary in the UK is £33,402 per year. Care & NHS Support workers earn around that amount. Average salary in the biggest city which is London is £52,584, a bit higher than others.

Most UK citizens don't earn a lot, so who exactly are the high paying earners? UK citizens are usually okay with their meagre job with 30 - 40k. Recently NHS nurses protesting because they were fed up.

The usual high flyers in the UK are the immigrants just like we have in the US. Most Tech startups in the UK are not owned by Uk citizens, they are owned by foreigners across EU & Africa or Middle-east.

The whole footballing industry is funded by the Middle-east & Americans, so who exactly are the top UK earners?

Toks2008:
Don't mind him.

Many people just sit with their phones to write trash.

Let me bust your bubble... Do you know that many Nigerians reject the work they came in for?

Read that article again. I see people come into the UK and say they can never do care job WHICH WAS EXACTLY WHAT THEY GOT SPONSOR FOR...

They will say they can't clean shit or take care of people so they start looking for another job BETTER than that.

They will never want to start with cleaning job because in their minds the cleaning job is an embarrassment having spent so much to come in.

Bro forget these ignorant people typing what they don't know.

UK IS a fantastic country that is a million times better than Nigeria and if you are not lazy or foolishly picky, you will eat the fruits of the land.

Stop being Ignorant bro, you have been spreading a lot of mis-information on this thread.

Once you come in with a specific type of work-visa, you can never do any other type of work even IF they tried to, so your point is False.

If they come with a care visa, that is the job they are meant to do, NOT cleaning job.

There is nothing special about the UK, the citizens who live there themselves are complaining. Every other week there are train strikes in London, Nurses are also striking. The housing crisis has hit the roof & people are protesting, I witnessed one in January & they are planning for another.

A lot of Nurses are resigning and moving to better countries like Australia.

So stop spreading mis-information!

headboyprince:
so you just compare bills paid in naira and stop there No talk about economics, income, standard of living you guys are ridiculous... Just trying so hard to make Nigeria look decent when its so rotten..

Okay sir

headboyprince:
Nigeria is more expensive if you factor in Income and starndard of living... thats what determines prices... if you want cheap rent, leave lekki, and go live in sambisa forest, you dont even need to pay rent... whereas in lekki average rent is 500k..

can you now see how the comparison between the two doesnt make sense at all.. income potential in sambisa is almost 0...

so if you increase rent from 0 to 100k in sambisa, then you say it's cheap because it's 500k in lekki ..that;s what you guys are doing here, just dog shit... no comparison of income or standard of living just mere cost like we all earn same income and the quality of live is the same.. even the quality of those things you're comparing arent the same at all... so why all these blind comparisons...

Using this metrics, you're correct but she was merely comparing by amount of bills paid & that's where we stopped.

qtguru:
$9600 rent per year how ? for 2 Bedroom

Sounds doubtful

She is lying, I checked her thread on Twitter & found people living in that area in Houston * rent is not 9600 per year (800 per month).

Average rent in Houston is $1,800 for a 2-bed since August 2022. Also apart from rent, every other thing is expensive. An average 1-hour bolt ride in Lagos will cost you about N4000 - N10,000 depending on surge. In US it should cost around $100 or more. Haircut is $30 to $150 depending on location. While Nigeria, haircut is N1000 to N5000 depending on area. Nigeria is a poor country, how can we be spending more.

preciouswoman66:
I've been looking for some java spring and spring boot online resources for learning but available ones I could get are old and not too beginner friendly. Why is it like that?

And please don't tell me documentations is the best go to resources to learn as a beginner. Docs is good when you're looking for a specific concept to learn or understand, not to get started in it as a fresher.

Also please drop online resources for Java spring and spring boot if you know any excluding java brains YouTube channel, and baeldulg website

Pluralsight

pluralsight.com/paths/spring-framework-core-spring
pluralsight.com/courses/spring-boot-fundamentals

Cousera

coursera.org/specializations/spring-framework

You can register for trial version for free for a month and learn.

franchasofficia:
Yes Poco is focusing on frivolous things, and funny enough that's what majority of ladies focus on when making choice of life partner, and reason many end up loosing great guys and end up with showbiz guys that are living fake, fantasy life that their spouse do discover after marriage and kasala start

LOOL, specifically speaking on bed. Having a bed on the floor doesn't make your room look standard & nice. It affects the look of your room negatively. I agree that it is your own personal preference but it is objectively true that beds on the floor is not the way to go.

Think about this, none of the great Hotels, Airbnb apartments have their beds on the floor. If they did, you will never have paid for any one of them.

Your preference is fine, but it is not a common preference.

pocohantas:
Alright Sir.

LOOOOOOL

franchasofficia:
I am happily married. I live in what Nigerians classify as a mansion. I own cars, I am an employer of labor with so many well paid staffs (full time, part time and remote).

I own a couple of properties and investments.
I have 2 lovely kids.
By God's grace, I am doing excellently well as a young man below 40yrs.

My Rich oga, we go enjoy your money for this forum sha. Invite us to come & eat Nwobi in Quilox

pocohantas:
And by the way, if you are indeed soft, babes don't need to see car to know. Many times I go to some kind markets and I am always singled out. Nigerians know how to smell comfort and money from your skin and mannerisms.

This part is not accurate, babes need complete evidence of prosperity before they qualify you as adequate. Only women are judged just by looking soft without any actual verifiable evidence. There are a lot of Lekki babes that I know looking soft & they don't have any verifiable thing they do for a living. You can still be a fresh guy as a man, but if you don't have money in your pocket. No be freshness dem go chop.

You should ask Ike of big brother, he looks fresh, American accent & finesse but babes no send am, because they now know he doesn't have shishi.

Paystack:
Is Nairaland not basic or not?

Most of the algorithms Nairaland uses was shipped default in this script.


Nairaland at its core is just a script even you can access and replicate.


Most of the custom algorithms where created by Seun with his mediocre PHP and Python

You dey find touble, If na me be Seun, I go give you 20 years ban

BRATISLAVA:
You, sir, you still need to study? Red cap mentor.

Lol you sef, the way you talk this thing like you're not in tech. It is much more harder to keep up technologies as a senior than a junior because most of what you use will be obsolete in 1-2 years. It requires 3 months dedication per year to skill-up so you can remain employable unless the juniors will even take over your position because they are better at learning new things while you're stuck on old tech or old ways. A lot of senior devs/tech people that haven't up-skilled since 2015 are now un-employable. That is why tech is diff from Nursing, Law, Accounting etc

DenreleDave:
This is a billion dollars question in my mind. It is now a norm for single ladies to compete with a married woman for her husband. They know the man is married with or without kids but our single ladies see it as a normal thing and the society has also ignorantly or unconsciously accepted it as a norm.

It's not a billion dollar question, the answer is finance. Money is required for upkeeps & lifestyle, married people have more of it to offer. Simple.

heroshark:
This is not the best advice. Since his offer is fully funded with a stiped of £900 per month, which as at today is over 1m. He can decide to save all the stipend while doing parttime job to offset his living expenses. At the end of the master program he will be sure of £10K in saving which is over 11m all within one year. It will take him ages to save that in Nigeria while on 200k salary.

At the end he has a UK advance degree and lot's of savings, that's a win win

This is an interesting analysis.

Mountbatten:
• You're passionate about IT and landed a job as a software engineer.
• You've been offered a scholarship to go study biological sciences in the UK

You pick option one, in a years time you would've gained worked experience and built competence which would increase your value in the job market.

You pick option two, finish your master's which also requires you to return to Nigeria with a cool down of about 2 years before you can return to the UK to find work. Furthermore, you won't be able to gain relevant work experience because of visa restrictions, and you'll be further away from your passion in IT.

The question is, what will you be doing when you return with your biological science master’s degree, which will basically be worth nothing? How will a master’s degree in biological sciences get you an IT job? You will end up back at square one, with a year wasted on a degree that doesn't align with your goals.

I would advise you to take option 1, as future you will be grateful.

People are just looking at the 900 Pounds involved & opportunity to stay in the UK to do support jobs. A biological science master’s degree will not even get him any where. It is a waste of degree I tell you, waste of time & money all together.

It would have been better if he doesn't have any passion in I.T, it would ease the stress of making a choice very easy for him, to just move to UK & grab any job that comes along.

This is why context is very important. If you want to achieve a career in Tech, UK is not the place to start if you have no work experience except you want to leave Tech entirely. Getting an internship in the UK as an entry-level tech person OR getting sponsorships as entry-level is extremely & extremely difficult. Please note that this is specific to tech.

Your job is good & that's fine. If the OP wants to move to UK & study biological sciences, according to him, he MUST come back to Ng if at the end of the programme he doesn't already have a job. Which means he has to settle for any job he sees to keep him there & that is fine too, but he will forget about tech & move on.

So it depends on the career path he wants, If he wants to stay in tech, then an Internship in the Fintech company works better.

GreatChizzy:
You must really hate the U.K (leaving me to wonder why) for you to be confused wether to consider a N200k (£177) over a fully sponsored Msc scholarship with a £900 monthly stipend, which when you maximise your 20hr per week work rights, you could easily take home £1,500 Monthly.

I was making N280k Monthly in PH back in July 2021, when I migrated to the UK. Looking back now, it was the smartest decision I have ever made in my life. My brother who joined last year never stops thanking me for bringing him here whenever we talk over the phone (he's in Scotland).

Your level of pessimism about the UK is profound and it is a trend I have seen here lately. Not all Nigerian immigrant works as "Care Worker" here. I for one I'm a QA/QC Controller in a manufacturing company. The number of internaltional students who gets sponsorship and remains in the UK after their studies, is by far the few who doesn't, not to mention some who didn't have the intention to remain.

I'd say don't migrate to any place you do not love, because you wouldn't make it there. You will have to love the land to be able to eat the good thereof.

Stay in Nigeria and take the N200k job because with your pessimism about the UK; you wouldn't succeed here.

Kind Regards.

Stay in Nigeria to perfect your tech skills if you can defer the scholarship till next year, then that would favor you. Except you love care jobs or support jobs in the Uk, then fine.

UK is a very harsh place for starters, they don’t even hire new grads any longer except maybe you do a JP Morgan internship while you are still in school like some unilag boys do. An unbelievable crowd of people have graduated from a Uk msc and stranded, jobless doing dirty jobs.

I want to believe the company is either Flutter ave or Paystack, stay there and perfect your skills. That would have more weight than any masters.

pocohantas:
Times are different and businesses would give incentives that appeals to the demographic.

Mr Biggs functioned in an era that Nigerians valued family time. An era where families were not torn apart by mass japa wave. What Nigerians wanted then was to hang out with family and watch Barney dance. Mr Biggs did this and more for kids in the 90s to early 2000. I wouldn't know if they were around before then.

What killed Mr Biggs wasn't their inability to share free food. It wasn't all milk and honey, but Nigerians could still feed and parents could take their kids to Amusement Park and Bar Beach. Something we rarely see in 2023 amongst even the lower middle class. Grown adults of that era weren't waiting for anyone to share rice for them on a hot work day.

Also considering that we are in the hot girl summer era having about 800 new fancy restaurants in Victoria Island & Lekki alone, every weekend one new restaurant opens up with the same food & overpriced cocktail drinks with weird names like sex in the city bla bla bla for 10,000 Naira per glass. Back in the day around early 2000s, nobody used to complain about prices of food in eateries or who is paying when men & women hang out because It used to be super affordable. Now eating out in places like ThePlace or Chicken Republic is seen as old school or people struggling. Something we used to so happy to do.

tensazangetsu20:
God has finally done it for me . 3 years worth of work came to fruition and I was able to japa to Chile . Sharing some pics from my trip and my everyday life on this thread. This is for those who think that south america is hell. Theres a lot of amazing countries in the world. You need to research and figure out what works for you. My flight was from Lagos to doha to Brazil and then finally to Chile. I didn't really start taking any pics until I got into Chile. I am sure you can find thousands of pictures about Brazil, Qatar or Lagos online but hardly anyone has posted anything about Chile.

The first pic is me In the plane crossing the Andes mountains. The light in the distance is the city of santiago.

Second is the airport in concepcion.

Third is my Uber ride from the airport to my Airbnb

Congrats, but ....

I thought you said you were never going to leave Nigerian shithole, now you have finally left.

I no dey believe man for this nairaland again

Layoffs, that is why!

There is nothing special about working in FAANG other than the salary & CV boost, even at that there are other companies that pay way more than FAANG with less stress & office politics. They layoff workers just like any other company going through recession, over-hiring & inability to make profit.

If you require work-life balance, then FAANG is not a place you should consider working at, too political and you'd hardly make any impact because their products are so big that your contributions seems like a tiny sand. How important you are depends on your team & project you're working on. If your project gets cancelled, you might be fired. EG: Google Glass, Google+, Google Hangout, Picasa etc.

Not to discourage people that see it as their dream company because It's good for your CV, but the politics involved in working for those places is insane. Especially META. META is a no no.

Gerrard59:
The MT man you are replying to worked in the oil industry in Nigeria and later relocated to the US, Texas specifically. This is someone who complained that he and his Nigerian colleagues were looked down upon when they were in Nigeria. He stated everything here on Nairaland. His eyes opened when he moved to the US. Thus, he is an American citizen. He would lie that having a second passport is not important, but will not consider that travelling even for the wealthy these days is not easy as visas get denied. That's where the passport comes from.

It is this hypocritical wickedness that I detest. The same man has this innate envy towards Ednut1, which I cannot comprehend. He lied through his fingers that Canadians and Mexicans cannot work in the US even though every bloke knows what a TN visa is for. The same man believes Ednut1 dey wash corpses in Canada. Worst of it, the same MT man campaigned and supported Tinubu during the last elections.

In my books, anyone who supported Tinubu is a wicked and terrible person considering the events before and after the elections.

Wow thanks for the exposure, may God deliver us from chameleons on this platform.

Every body knows how a strong passport can affect careers. Infact UK has started banning Caribbean countries from Visa free entries because some Namibians are abusing the free visa. They are closing every possible loophole.

qtguru:
I just want the second passport not neccessarily to Japa.

Ecuador passport is around 35k.

MT:
and there are lot of people with foreign passport, including citizens born over there, who have zero skills and could not secure meaningful jobs. Some of them are homeless and jobless, living on hands out from the government.

When you have the passport, try and acquire the sought-after skills, otherwise it is a waste.

At the bolded, what you referred to as skills are not sellable abroad. We are talking of sought-after skills.

We have sought after skills bro, a lot of Nigerians have it. Infact there is surplus of skillful people in Nigeria with no companies to hire.

MT:
I have mentioned this when I wrote it allows you live "legally", but the kind of work you will do solely depends on your "skillset".

Reason I referred to a foreign passport as a "mean to an end" and "not the end" itself.

There are so many people with skills who are looking for jobs and not able to get because they don't have right to work. Nigeria has a lot of skillful people. Skills has never been our problem

MT:
Nigerians overhype foreign passport - It is a means to an end, not the end itself.

Foreign passport does not give you job. It does not feed you. It is a traveling document, which also allow you to stay legally in that country.

Without good "value" or "skillset", foreign passport holders will be homeless, and go hungry.

You need right to work to be able to work which having a passport gives you.

okewumi:
I am in abroad. If l see a job that will pay me that amount, l will travel back. All you need is to be travelling and have standby valid visa. If everything want to turn upside down, you move out of the country.

3k is alot and if a job can fetch u that amount in Nigeria @ 29. It means the future is bright. There are jobs that gives more than that in abroad but you must work ur ass.

SW Nigeria and PH is sweet if u have cash. I love african food and life style. The only problem is security and light. I know some estate for the past 10 yrs that always have light minimum of 20hrs in lagos because that is where most high government officials and politicians stay

What about foreign passport? Did you just travel because money alone. So if I give you a job of £3k now, you will leave and come back?!

Klass99:
Thank you for saying this. I don't know how we have arrived at constantly devaluing, dissing and looking down on all things Nigerian, when we in fact have it good, really good, in some areas and aspects of our nation.

It is because some people have only experienced one and not the other. All my life the hospitals in Nigeria have served me very well and also affordable. It’s ignorance that’s causing all this things.

Klass99:
No sir, I am not wrong and neither are you. We both have different experiences with our healthcare system and we are speaking from those experiences.

Genuine condolences for the loss of your wife that must have been rough. Your negative experience at a Nigerian hospital does not invalidate what I said or my positive experience in some Nigerian hospitals.

Private sector enterprises are usually built by forward thinking folks with exposed minds, who have lived and schooled overseas for years, they return to replicate the systems they were exposed to and even improve on such systems in the Nigerian setting. While some are out to maximize profit they are also conscious about building world class organizations.

Nigerian medical system is actually really good and affordable if you compare it to the West. Not to mock the dead, but the person whom his wife died probably didn't choose a decent private hospital or went for general hospital instead. General hospital is for poor people (God forgive me).

In the UK, it is quite difficult to even get an appointment for basic things such as teeth fixing, NHS would have to confirm if it is am emergency or not. Also fixing your teeth can cost you upto 1000 pounds, or even more. Even with the so-called IHS free health care.

Nigeria medical services is too cheap and efficient for someone earning $3k.

Gokoyer0:
Yes, it happened in Ibadan. Youkay worst!
My friend that studied in UK and later moved to Canada about 10 yrs ago is returning to Nigeria. To cut the story short, he is complaining about increase in interest rate on everything.

Let's hope Nigeria get a little better under Tinubu and we will see how people will be returning massively.

Many Nigerians doing care jobs in UK are earning 9.50pounds. how can person survive with the UK bills under that situation? How many hrs of work has to be done per day to survive when rent is 800pounds/month. Why are they all flooding SM to make video? It's all about side hustle

I pity those that sell thier houses in gbanjo to move to UK. let's forget shiny faces, it's not easy anywhere. Japa is good for strugglers though and no one should sell off their properties when they are close to 40 or above

Hmmm okay.

Gokoyer0:
With that salary in a place like Canada, the tax deduction will not be less than 37.5%.
Can people in USA verify tax deduction on 120k USD salary?

Op, dey play dey play. They say you can earn 10k USD/month. Ask them what will be your take home from it. How much are you going to pay for rent in place where get 10k USD/month job? Let him go to LinkedIn/Quora and ask questions from gurus in his field who are blacks/Nigerians. He comes to Nairaland to be more confused.

Japa is for strugglers! My neighbor that left for UK in 2021 has returned with his family. They sold their bungalow before they left and returned few months ago into a rented 3 bedroom apartment in another area. Many don't have the courage to do what this family just did. For instance, I learned that to renew 2.5 yrs visa for a family of 4 will spend around 15k pounds..

Lmaooo, this is very funny. Did this really happen to your neighbors or you’re just joking around.

GloriousGbola:
A used thinkpad with 8th gen core i7 integrated graphics and 16gb ram is fine. These are guys with money to burn.

I will not advise anyone to go near a recent macbook because those things are IMPOSSIBLE to repair. Apple has DRMed all their spare parts.

But they hardly get damaged from my experience, been using a 2019 macbook since 4 years & it still works like new. You can use it for 10 years, no single problem.