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GidiWoodsMan:
I've never been able to understand the instinctive fear and revulsion unfailingly expressed by the average African in the face of same-sex relationships

Whether we like it or not, our laws will eventually be amended to accommodate the LGBT community because they are always going to be among us. We have to learn how to coexist with them, the same way as we live with other individuals in our midst whose genetic aberrations are expressed in more overt (physical) forms.

No human being is perfect, after all is said and considered.

No mind them. It's is their inability to fathom that other people can be radically different from them. African feels insecure and frightened to see people who don't conform to their beliefs and moral preferences.

As much I hate homosexuality, I have nothing against homosexuals, as long as they don't impose themselves on me and my children.

hope4nigeria:
dont ever address God that way again. If you do!

You religious fundamentalists make me laugh. I see no difference between muslims and Christian fundamentalists, they attempt to use threats and force to impose their doctrines on unbelievabers.
I hope you are ready to stone gays and adulterers - both male and female.

lexy2014:
Oga its not a theory. Look at an excerpt from your own post:

"a key section of Utah law criminalizing polygamy".

U said d woman went to enforce her right. Y did she go to court if it was a theory? Which law is a theory?

It depends on your definition of polygamy. Does polygamy only means having multiple marriage licenses, or means having multiple eives/partners, but without obtaining multiple marriage licenses?

powerfulguy:
If nigeria burn now he will quickly jet off the corntree

If it should start burning, those shouting "let it burn" will be the first to jet out.

lexy2014:
Not in theory. It is d law. That is y ur story says a woman went to court to enforce her rights. If it was just in theory, there will b no need 4 her to go to court. Even ur caveat about not obtaining multiple marriage licences, still corroborates d fact that d practice of polygamy doesn't have govt backing because how do u obtain one license when u are marrying more than one person? Are u going to marry them at d same time?

The woman enforced her rights that she has the right to marry a man with other wives.

It's a theory, it is applies to obtaining licences (government recognition). A man can marry a wife ie, get the parents consent, the church (or religious body's) consent, put Mrs behind her name, cohabitate with the man and bare children, without obtaining a government marriage licence. This is the same thing that happens in Nigeria here. The man usually only officially marry the first wife, other marriages are done through traditional weddings and customs.

hope4nigeria:
go there and they will behead you, gay is evil, God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of this singular act. If you don't change your ways, you are in for doom

And the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah stopped gayism in the world or even the area? Why does your God engage in futile and senseless actions?

Gay is evil to your own personal religious dogma and doctrine. It may be part of another person's religious practice. Are you advocating for restrictions and punish of other people's religion believes because it is different from your own.

lexy2014:
But in d US, polygamy is a criminal offence. I thought d US gives everyone d freedom to do whatever they want?

Yes in theory it is, but polygamy is practiced in the US especially in fringe Christian communities. It's legal as long as you don't obtain multiple marriage licenses.

Sister Wives' Defeat Polygamy Law in Federal Court
A federal judge ruled late Friday that a key section of Utah law criminalizing polygamy is unconstitutional, granting multi-spouse families the right to live together without facing arrest, so long as they do not acquire multiple marriage licenses.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/12/16/sister-wives-defeat-polygamy-law-in-federal-court%3fcontext=amp

Unique357:
This evening when I returned home, she didnt save any foods for me so I didnt bother to ask her too since she was still angry ( frowned face ), I went to the kitchen i prepared noodles. By the times the kids went to sleep, I asked If I can have a chat with her quietly , she has made it clear that theres nothing to chat about since I have put the girl as my priorities and I don't love her anymore , I should go to my new wife have a chat with her, she is referring to our house help and she gave me back the money that I should shop for my new wife myself. Well I have tried convincing her that she and the kids will always be my first priorities but it doesn't mean that we should treat other people bad. She didnt seems interested, she says that she left the room for my new wife , she left the room and she went to sleep in our children room. I was not expecting her to go this far . It's really sad how she doesn't want us to settle the matter in peace

Things are now getting out of hand and you need to deal with this issue decisively as a man. Obviously, the dress issue is just an excuse and you wife had been bottling up her feelings over the presence of the girl (maid) in the house. For it to get to the level where she is denying you your marital rights, means she is really taking it serious. You might need to call a family meeting (both sides ), since she is refusing to perform her marital duties and is refusing to discuss it privately. She needs to tell you and the families what she actually wants. If she wants the girl out, at least everyone will know her real reasons, and no one will blame you.

It is annoying for a wife to stop performing her marital duties, everytime you have a small disagreement. What happens if you too stops perfroming your own responsibilities and duties?

Give Femi Fani Kayode food, he will sing for you - Obasanjo.

oloriLFC:
Okay. In as much as I do not like same sex relationships and do not make a case for gays, it is true that African leaders are hypocrites and do not always tackle issues that will promote the welfare of the populace. We try to prove to the world that we are 'pure', that our beliefs forbid certain things, yet, we are wicked! We chase shadows. And as the US man rightly said we look away when a public office holder spends money lavishly without being tried but go after people who decided what to do with their own bodies. Some of these so called leaders are homosexuals themselves. 'Leave us to languish in our poverty' yen yen yen, as if he or any member of his immediate family is poor. Foolish, wicked people!

That's the bane of Africa, religion. Religion is our number one priority. We are more Catholic than the Pope, more Islam than the imam of mecca and more Jewish than Abraham.

We are more concerned what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes than old dirty men marrying 13 year old girls as 4th wife.
We are more appalled by other people's sexual choices than the raping of our collective wealth by a few elite.

We are more obsessed with imposing our moral, religious and personal values on others, than actually living our lives by those values.

Africa will remain the dark continent for a very long time.

OZAOEKPE:
Only 2/3 can remove the President bro

Everybody knows that.

...But, simple majority can make things a whole lot difficult.
Majority determines the rules.
Majority determines who is subpoenaed.

Unique357:
Thank you for the insult , God knows my heart that I Have never been wicked to the child neither do I treat her any different from my children. She and my niece are both in the same private schools, same class and I am paying the same school fees , how am I wicked ? We have a family friends who sells OK Uk first grade clothes at affordable prices to us, I knew with that 2k my wife would have get a nice jeans and shirt/ dress for her . Please next time ask before you judge.

My brother, you did the right thing and you represent the good in humanity. If your wife could cry and accused you just because of 2k, I wonder what should would have said of your budget 5k for the house help.

The way out is to talk sense into her. I am sure she is very religious, talk to her pastor to talk to her to explain to her the real meaning of christ and Christmas. Maybe, she is like that because of her upbringing. She might have come from a family that discriminated a lot based on wealth.

It will not be wise to have marital issues with your wife because of another person (her relation for that matter). if you can't resolve the issue, you will have to send the girl away.

Abeg make una follow me laugh small, Trump the Jesus of our time, who can do no wrong according to Republicans and white Christian evangelicals cannot quote a single verse from the bible;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERUngQUCsyE

I wonder if he had even read the bible.

This is how an average Nigerian woman treats her house help.

TonyeBarcanista:
How did you conclude that the wife ks wicked? Let us watch what we say towards people's spouses.

I am very sure that the wife acted the way did because of the discomfort she feels with a second "woman" enjoying the attention and niceties of her husband.

Honestly, I can NEVER fault her! I have seen first hand where lovely and nice househelp got pregnant for oga and he was asked to marry her as second wife - which he did!

Tonye I respect you more than your views here. It shows the black man as wicked, trifle and still suffer from slave mentality.
The girl in question is not even a house girl, she is simply a distant relative of the woman, whose parent are not well to do. The girl is baby sitting for the family while in return the family is taking care of the education and upkeep of the girl. I am certain the girl is schooling is not in the same standard as the woman's children.
Because the little girl is termed "house girl" does not render her any less human. Because the girls parents are poor does not mean the little girl is forbidden from feeling the spirit of Christmas. I am sure that the woman in question is a professed holy spirt filled, tongue speaking Christian. Christmas does not forbid showing love to "house girls"

Anyone who thinks a man has ulterior motives because he shows a little love to a less fortunate girl at Christmas, by asking his wife to buying Christmas dress along with his children's, needs to have his/her morals and psychology examined.

slyfoxxjoe:
You see In this day and age where information is just one google search away, there is no need for unnecessary argument on things you can easily verify yourself.

Clinton was impeached for Obstruction of justice for directing his aids to lie to the special prosecutor, Ken Starr, about his affair with lewinsky

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton


P.s Bill Clinton has paid off sooo many women too. So don’t even go there.

That's why I said you guys lie with straight face without any conscience. Where did you get that Clinton directed his aids to lie to the special prosecutor? Even the Wikipedia link you Google only said

The Starr Report states that the following day, Clinton "coached" his secretary Betty Currie into repeating his denials should she be called to testify.

This is the flimsiest and weakest obstruction of Justice I have ever seen. Can it be compared to Trump's obstruction of Justice, where he actually drafted lies to be put out by his aids and family, instruct his aids and government officials not to testify, threatens and insults those testifying even during the testimony, hides information and instructs his aids to hide documents, etc.

The Republicans can justify impeaching a president for lying about having sex with his aid, but are crying blue murder for impeaching a president that instruct foreign countries to investigate a political opponents and lies about everything. Hypocrites is too mild a word to use to describe you guys

slyfoxxjoe:
Bill Clinton however was impeached for actual crimes: perjury and obstruction of JUSTICE not “lying about mouth action as you put it”

Which obstruction of Justice? Did Clinton refuse to testify to the special counsel? Did Trump instruct any member of his cabinet not to testify? Did Trump instruct Monica Lewinski not to testify? You guys lie without conscience.

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath (perjury) because he said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". That's his only crime.

If it was Trump, he would have simply paid millions through his fixers to shut Monica Lewinski up or threaten her and her family, mafia style.

Flashh:
Those who transports themselves from Ikorodu, ketu and co. To Lagos Island, to and fro everyday will tell you why it's not a waste of money.

The guy has a point. Eventually it will be a waste. It's only a mad man that does the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.
Building new roads has not been proven to reduce traffic in the long run, in fact the opposite usually happens. More people will move in and buy cars thereby increasing congestion.

The lekki epe expressway is already congested as is, as people spend hours between ajah roundabout and lekki first roundabout. Imagine then adding traffic from the proposed 4th mainland bridge. Also add traffic from cars and tankers from the dangote refinery and the proposed epe free port. It will be a traffic catastrophe.

I remember when marwa dualised the ikorodu road from miles 12 to ikorodu. It took less than 20 years for ikorodu to become overcrowded and traffic became worse.

God obviously did not gift the blackman with futuristic planning ability. If he did, we would have been planning for futuristic mass transportation system like rail, (underground, overground) and marine. Even if you turn the whole of Lagos into roads, it will not stop traffic congestion. You need to speak development to other areas and even states and connect using rails.

Stillthebest:
She is/they are just bein Petty and surreal! Nothing detaining her to send the impeachment docs even at the last moment. You could have said it were here they would tamper with it.

They know what they are doing. Not that Trump has done a succinct wrong, but it is all inna bid to discredit him for the next election to lose his grip on the electorates.
Impeaching him is just a secondary target that came as a pry one but reelection is the real pry objective.

Yes, Trump could be loud and vocal such an attribute of Elistic Americans. But were they fear to him at the reps chamber? How can Pelosi say 'i hope they are fear to us' when the statement should I hope they are fear to the Americans. Do they want to remove him for just the democrats?

The trial can't see light at the rep'can dominated Senate!

So you mean asking Ukraine and China to investigate the Bidens is not a succinct wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Q67tAUiMg

MelesZenawi:
I used to tell people that liberalism is a sign of mental disorder.


A Democrats dominated house of Representatives Impeached president Trump and now wants a Senate dominated Republicans to also do so.

Imagine Pelosi saying "we hope they will be fair to us"........Was she fair to Trump.

Republicans should rubbish those articles when finally Pelosi got the nerves to send them.


In McConnell's voice "I am in no hurry"

You don't know Pelosi yet, she plays 3 dimensional political chess. Even Trump acknowledges her brilliance.

Don't worry, McConnell need not be in a hurry. What happens if the articles of impeachment is not sent to the senate before the next elections, and the Democrats takes over the senate. It will be the shortest and only presidential removal in the history of the world.

ernesterioo:
I pray he remains president and wins a second term.

I pray we understand the consequences on Christians (our brothers) all over the world who are being killed like flies.

While we talk about Trump's misbehaviour (which I agree is "wrong", we should take note that he would not have been able to deal with the critical issues he touched

*I smile when I remember the recent history of how*

1. Abortion
2. Homosexuality
3. Islamizations
4. and many thriving nonsense that the US pushed around be fore Trump came

Of all the problem facing you personally and nationally, these are your priority?
1. Is it your abortion? What is your business?

2. Is it your ass that is being drilled, what is your business what two people do in their private spaces?

3. The number one islamisation country in the world is the strongest ally of Trump. Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabian citizens have committed more terrorist acts on US soil than any other foreign nationals and yet Trump always defend the Saudis.

LordReed:
Glad you acknowledge that glaring deficiency but I'll go you one further and tell you that Trump's only thought process is how to grift. And with the power of the presidency he thought his grifting schemes will be easy. Check out his rhetoric before he became president, healthcare reform -easy, immigration reform - easy, trade reform - easy, North Korea - easy, etc. He is no longer saying that is he? Because he has seen that grifting as the president is not the walk in the park he thought it would be.

Many developed democratic countries have better healthcare and social amenities than the US so that talk of communism is a big fat lie.

There is no means by which Mexico pays for any wall, that is a fairy tale. The tariff they impose is paid for by the American purchasers and the funding for the wall he took from the Pentagon came from the American taxpayers.

Many of them know more about running a business or a government than Trump does. Trump is propped up by his near genius ability to manipulate for his own advantage. Lemme illustrate:

Former Forbes reporter Jonathan Greenberg said in 2018 that during the 1980s Trump had deceived him about his actual net worth and his share of the family assets in order to appear on the list. According to Greenberg, "it took decades to unwind the elaborate farce Trump had enacted to project an image as one of the richest people in America.

Trump has always been a fraud and a horrible businessman. He declares bankruptcy multiple times. Trump is the only businessman I know that can bankrupt a casino.

Here is ivanka in a moment of truth admitting that his father was $8 billion in debt about 30 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUc8ijxKdtE

Obviously he scammed Forbes to put him in the list.

Timbuktuo:
I don't know where you have been since January but the Mueller report exonerated Trump from all this Russia nonsense.

The extent of Russian interference was paying for facebook ads supporting a client over another. The Russians had ads they supported both Trump and Clinton, that's it. That's your so-called Russian interference.

It seems Trump has infected his worshippers with a lying disease. Muller report never exonerated Trump and never called the Russian interference nonsense.
This is what the Mueller report said;

"A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.”

Mueller firmly established Russian interference to the benefit of Trump and detriment of Hillary;

"a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.”

“a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.

Mueller found at least four acts by Trump in which all elements of the obstruction statute were satisfied – attempting to fire Mueller, directing White House counsel Don McGahn to lie and create a false document about efforts to fire Mueller, attempting to limit the investigation to future elections and attempting to prevent Manafort from cooperating with the government.

Mueller categorically stated, “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. ”
I don't know where you guys got the "Mueller exonerated Trump " from.

In 2008 during an interview with wolf blitzer of CNN, Donald Trump said Pelosi should have been impeached George W Bush for lying about the Iraq war. He also said the impeachment of Bill Clinton for a blòwjòb was stupid.

TRUMP: "Well, you know, when she first got in and was named speaker, I met her — and I'm very impressed by her. I think she's a very impressive person. I like her a lot. But I was surprised that she didn't do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush. It was almost — it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which personally I think would have been a wonderful thing."

BLITZER: "Impeaching him?"

TRUMP: "Absolutely. For the war, for the war. Well, he lied! He got us into the war with lies. And, I mean, look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant, and they tried to impeach him — which was nonsense. And yet, Bush got us into this horrible war with lies — by lying. By saying they had weapons of mass destruction. By saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true."
https://www.axios.com/trump-impeachment-2008-pelosi-george-w-bush-iraq-1710362a-5e82-496c-aeaf-08c0c6eed751.html

oghale23:
On why the president decided to ask the Ukraine president to look into Joe Biden was because of the Video that was released after he announced that he will be running for president. In that video he bragged about withholding I billion dollars of aid to the Ukraine except they Fire a prosecutor investigating the company his son was working in. In which is a crime called quid pro quo. The company was in Ukraine not in the US. His father was the Vice president and in charge of Ukraine matters.

Withholding the 1 billion dollars until Shokin was fired was official US policy and not Biden's. That was why he said "we will not give you the money" and when the Ukraine president said you are not the president, Biden said call him. All the US diplomats in Ukraine and the state department knew, and the Republican congress knew that that was the official US position. In the case of Trump, only he and Gulianni were involved. Even the state department under John Bolton distanced themselves from the "drug deal".

On the Nepotism part. The president can appoint anybody who he deems fit for the Job and in my view, his daughter and her husband are doing well.

Agreed, but is that why the president appointed his daughter who has zero working experience into senior white house position, or his son in law with zero foreign policy experience into senior foreign relations position?
If you insist Trump can appoint anyone he likes into white house positions, why then do you say a private Ukrainian company cannot appoint anyone they like into their board?

On the Guilliani part, he is going to appear before the senate judiciary to explain his dealings with Ukraine and talk about his findings of his investigation. So we will see what comes out.

I doubt Gulianni has the guts to testify under subpoena, but even if he appears before senate, under what authority will he testify? What position doeshe hold that gives him credibility. He is not a state department official or an investigative official.

Yes, you might not like the president, but the seat he occupies and the US constitution requires him to look into corruption before he gives tax payers money to other countries, somewhat it will not be wasted.

If this was truly the case, he should have raises these concerns before the aid passed through the various departments and the congress for approvals. It's betrays malicious intent to withhold the aid without any explanation after going through all the approval process. Besides, aids were approved and given in 2017 and 2018 without raising any concerns, why now?

Yes, the majority can do what they want but it should fair and according to the rules and constitution.

Previous Presidents have exerted executive privileges over subpoenas and they have gone to court to settle disputes. So it is the process.

When The democrats were asked why they didn't go to the court. They said there is no time. So they want to impeach the president quick without following th the rules.
The president has the right to challenge subpoenas which is meant to be settled in court.

The constitution gives the house, the sole responsibility of impeachment. They can choose whichever way they want to go about it. They are free to make their rules.

iamJ:
no there is an fbi list of criminals wanted

guy its simple, wikileaks kept leaking gist on hillary, nothing on trump


does that look normal to you?

why was it only democrats that the russian attacked was focused at?

collusion means an agreement, a deal, there isnt a deal, russia wanted trump to win and they did that

they interfered in the election, from day 1 i knew that collusion story didnt hold water

I believe even though there was no formal agreement or deal between Trump and Russia, it was Trump that asked the Russians on live TV to hack Hillary Clinton's emails. He invited the Russians to interfere in the US elections.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1MbFesSC7M

OfficialAPCNig:
Trump the slayer of Moslems is going nowhere

You worship of trump is because he slays muslims , don't worry, he won't stop with muslims, he will move to immigrants, blacks and finally Jews.
Afterall, Hitler was the slayer of Jews.

OfficialAPCNig:
If you are watching this live, then it is easy to see this is a witch-hunt.

The goodnews is all Republicans are behind their president and the whole world is now viewing this charade as partisan impeachment.

Bad news for Yoruba Moslems

How is this a witch hunt?
Did mick Mulvaney confess to a quid quo pro or not.
Did Rudy Gulianni confess to trying to get the Ukrainians to investigate the Bidens on behalf of Trump or not?
Did Trump withold the aid or not?
Did Trump even deny he witheld the aid because he wants Ukraine to investigate Burisma?

Rudy Gulianni is still investigating the Bidens till today.

Maxymilliano:
"Democrats trying to impeach a DULY elected President says Republicans".


Were they supposed to impeach an UNDULY elected Presidentt

Don't mind them. The way they are screaming "impeachment is coup", impeachment should only be reserved for very serious and grievous crimes" etc. One would thing a blòw job is a very serious and existential crime, as these same Republicans voted for Clinton's impeachment.

Boss13:
Recall the Muller report did not indict Trump. Also, the Inspector General Report has indicated the FBI involved in a lot of lies, misrepresentation, and falsification of evidence, so they could get a warrant from FISA court to spy on Trump. From day one, they wanted Trump impeached because he is uncontrollable. I never liked Trump, but he is delivering on his electoral promises.

The Mueller report could not indict Trump. Mueller was taking orders from the justice department and the justice department told him he could not indict a sitting president.

You are exaggerating the IG report. The IG admitted that there were many lapses in obtaining the FISA from the court, but it was not done maliciously. Abuse of the FISA warrant process is fairly common and people had been complaining for ages. Investigators often cheat to get FISA warrants faster. It was not unique to Trump campaign.

Who wanted Trump impeached? The FBI or the justice department?

Which promise is he delivering on? Is it his taxes that he said he will release? Is it the wall that Mexico would pay for? Yes the US economy is doing well, it had been doing well for the last 10 years. The US dominate the world service sector, the US had been ramping up its oil production (mostly shale) for the past 10 years. Trump is trying to drag consumer products with China which would be a difficult task, as US just doesn't have the supply chain and skills (and even infrastructure) required.

Awoo88:
That impeachment was overturned by the Senate

Impeachment was never overturned as it's in his record forever. He was never convicted by the senate.

Boss13:
He was impeached for Perjury. Lying under oath.

Lying that he did not receive blòwjòb from Monica lewinski.
Why do you think trump has refused to testify under oath to both Mueller and the house investigations. Once he says good morning/afternoon/evening, he would have already commited perjury, as Trump is incapable of telling the truth.