Seeing this thread on FP after over 15 years since it was first published feels so surreal.
Just to put in proper perspective how far this thread have come, this thread came up at a time when it was a flex to use flip phones. When using a blackberry phone with trackpad was like using the latest iPhone, when blackberry OS and the Symbian OS of Nokia reigned supreme. If you were born at the time this thread came on Nairaland, you'd probably be preparing to enter the university.

Exchanges on Nairaland were a lot less toxic than what it is today (The more reason I will probably not be engaging on this thread).

This is a thread of my experience at the 2008 session of the healing school and the conclusions drawn based on certain facts which still remain very valid. I believe there a lots of revelations, claims and counter claims, drama and a ship load of opinions all woven into this thread over the last 15 years or so.

May God give us wisdom to discern

SirJohn:

It is very true that so many people who were proclaimed 'healed' at the healing school later die of the same ailments. Of course Pastor Chris would want to have us believe that they died of unbelief or that they did not have enough faith to sustain their healing. But were these people ever healed in the first place?

Given the right conditions (usually in a suggestible state), the human brain has the ability to produce a certain substance known as endorphins, the endorphins has anaesthetic ability 200 times that of morphine. it is the body's answer to pain, infact it is the body's self healing power. strong belief in the ability of anything to produce healing effect triggers the release of this substance. This is also known as the power of 'mind over matter', and has been applied by psychic healers over the years. That is why only people with sicknesses that manifest pain ever seem to get 'healed' at the healing school; the blind do not receive siight nor does the lame walk.

This phenomenon is applied in drug testing and is known as the 'placebo effect'. let me explain briefly: to test a new painkiller pill or instance, two groups of people (with real cases of pain) are given a dose of the pill. one group is given the real painkiller pill while the other group is given another pill (placebo) which has no therapeutic effect (inert) but looks exaclty like the real pill. The two groups are actually made to believe they are taking the same pills. research result from this kind of experiment have revealed that over 30% of the people administered with the 'placebo' experience the same level of pain relief as the people who took the real pill.

This 'mind over matter' phenomenon is what gives this folks temporary symptomatic relief from these conditions, note that I said symptomatic this is because the underlying cause of the ailment is never healed, only symptoms attached to the real conditions are suspended for a while. This explains why these people later die or become worse.

Truthfullone19:


Hi SirJohn, I reached out, please try and get in touch. Many thanks

Hi, how may I help you?

Kenyan28:
Hallow 2024??


How has been everyone?

It's been eons since I logged into this forumn.


I am well. I am well kept.


I thank God.

Great to know you are well. Cheers!

donnie:


Present Sir

Well done! hope you're doing great? Shalom!

donnie is that you? I mean the donnie I knew like 10 years ago?

donnie:


My friend shut up. I preached that useless message for more than 20 years.
How many of the pastors you are following warned you of the things happening now? I warned and they were telling me this nonsense you are speaking and calling me names, until GBAM, they are now quiet. Its minions like you that don't know what the time is saying.

Blind leaders of the blind. Now you talk about pretribulation rapture because pastor said so. You're bewitched.
The powers that be are here already, you say rapture is holding them
Sebi your pastor said it is the church holding them.

That WOF doctrine is a FAT LIE.

Let me help you, the one who stands for us children of Israel is Michael. He is the one holding back the AntiMashiYah (AntiChrist) until bewitched Israelites like you wake up. That's the mercy of YAH, but its about to elapse and you're here repeating the same trash lies.

Daniel 12:1
"At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then..."

My brother Gooooombs..... long time, I dey jare

Gombs:



Sirrrrrr Jooohn.....


Good to have you around! how you dey na?

Gombs:


It is true. However it depends on the faith of the sick people.. That's why they have preparatory classes to build up their faith.

I know you've been on this since the thread WinsomeX resurrected from SirJohn's experience.


I hope you'd make it to one of the sessions Pastor Chris holds in Lagos. I'd prompt you about it

Hmmm, who called my name? let me just laugh and move on.
Listen to Benny at your own risk, dude has a penchant for telling lies that even himself can't believe

Most LPG gas tanks are designed not to explode, good quality LPG bottles are fitted with a safety relief valve to immediately release pressure from the tank when its pressure rises due to heat; I am yet to see a damaged LPG container due to explosion. in fact they can almost never explode,

Yes that's true.

Most cooking gas explosions are as a result of leaked gas into an unventilated space which ignites when fire is introduced.

My advice therefore is, make sure you use a good quality cylinder and If you keep your gas cylinders indoors, ensure the space is well ventilated.

spongeisback:
cc:Sirjohn.

Just tell the guy to go listen to Timaya - Telli Person Feat. Phyno & Olamide, that's all I can say

Benblaq:
Since I was born I've been wanting to fall, atleast to know how it feels like.
Many strong and powerful crusades and fellowship I have attended with most of my friends dropping like bags of garri during prayers, no matter how I try to free myself, I won't fall. Please is it normal?

Congrats! it means you have very low hypnotic suggestibility. For some people it comes natural while for some you work on your suggestibility by altering your belief system.

olusola11:
Hello everyone, I understand that Crodros Capital Milestone Mutual Funds till 2023 are open. Is it a good platform to invest money long term? Please experts in the house, share your thoughts on this. Thanks

I'm no expert but why not stick to what has been tested, thats why you have a thread like this where you can read about different experiences which helps guide your decisions on which platform to invest in.
Heres a link to their FAQs its your call finally http://assetmanagement.cordros.com/upload/CMF-2023--2028-FAQs.pdf

peacengine:
If ur pension managers give u the option of transferring all funds from ur pension account to a multi fund account, which u have not been funding for sometime will u take it, since the multi fund account will be accessible to u before u turn 65 yrs unlike the pension account?

SirJohn
spenca
battleaxe
eezeribe
Others

First things first, Q&A




The National Pension Commission (“PenCom”) recently published/released the Amended Regulation on Investment of Pension Fund Assets for the Pension Industry. The new investment guideline introduces a multi-fund structure, which would replace the “one size fits all” structure that puts all active contributors into one Retirement Savings Account (“RSA”) Fund without consideration for age or risk profile of such contributors.

What is the multi-fund structure?

The Multi-Fund structure is a framework that aims to align the age and risk profile of RSA holders by dividing the RSA Fund into four distinct Funds. The current RSA Fund will be sub-divided into three separate Funds, while the RSA Retirees Fund would be the 4th Fund.

What is the difference between the 4 Funds?

The respective funds differ based on their overall exposure to variable income instruments such as equities (that is, Ordinary Shares) and the age profile of the members.


What are variable income instruments?

Variable income instruments are investments that generate income or returns that cannot be pre-determined from the date the investments were made. In addition, the prices of such instruments fluctuate daily. Instruments in this category include Ordinary Shares, Collective Investment Schemes (“CIS”) such as Mutual Funds, Real Estate Investment Trust; Infrastructure Funds and Private Equity Funds.

Such investments have potentials to generate high returns over the long term but could be risky owing to uncertainty and fluctuations in market prices and returns.

What has age and risk profile got to do with how my pension funds are invested?

In investing money, everyone has a limit to the amount of risk that they can take and the amount of uncertainty they can handle. This is known as risk tolerance. Typically, younger people tend to have more capacity for risk because they still have time to recover from loses (if any). Once a person is nearing retirement, it is advisable that they limit the amount of risks they take and reduce exposure to uncertainty as they would start drawing down on their pensions within a short period.

Consequently, the allowable exposures to variable income instruments have been designed such that Fund I has the highest allowable limit, followed by Fund II, III and IV respectively. This reduces the risk and uncertainty of contributors in line with their ages.

Can I decide which Fund Type to be assigned to?

On the day of commencement, a default mechanism shall apply. According to the default mechanism, all active contributors that are 49 years and below would be placed in Fund II while active contributors that are 50 years and above would be placed in Fund III. Subsequently, an active contributor can make a request to his PFA to move between Funds subject to certain restrictions. An active contributor of 49 years and below can opt for Fund I, while an active contributor in Fund III may elect to be assigned to Fund II. However an active contributor in Fund III is not allowed to opt for Fund I while an active contributor in Fund II is not allowed to opt for Fund III. Fund III is strictly for active contributors above 50 years. To be assigned to any fund based on the preceding, an RSA holder must make a formal request to his/her PFA.

How often can I move between Fund types?

An active contributor may switch from one Fund type to another Fund type within a PFA, once in 12 months without paying any fees (subject to a formal application).



Any additional requests for switches among Funds within a 12 month period by the active Contributor shall attract a fee, of an amount not less than a minimum value, to be determined by PenCom from time to time.



When will the 12 month period start counting, will it be from the date of commencement or from the date of my first switch?

PenCom will provide details on the 12 months period in the operational framework that would guide the transition to the Multi-Fund structure.



Are there any benefits in this multi-fund structure?

Of course there are. The new structure allows RSA holders more control over how their pension funds are invested based on their risk tolerance. For instance, an RSA holder in Fund III owing to the default classification based on age, may have more tolerance for risks and uncertainty and could opt to be assigned to Fund II.

Can I be assigned immediately?

No, PenCom is yet to provide the operational framework to guide the transition to the Multi-Fund structure. Once the framework is released, there will be proper guidance regarding when contributors can be assigned based on the default age classification. Contributors will subsequently have the option to be assigned to a Fund of their choice depending on their risk tolerance.

Who takes the ultimate switch responsibility between the contributor and the PFA?

Whilst the contributor has the right to switch between funds depending on his or her preference, the PFA will be responsible for effecting the switch upon receipt of a formal request from the contributor. The PFA is also in a position to provide financial advice to contributors to assist in assessing risk and making an informed decision.

What are the impacts on my pension balance when my PFA moves into the multi-fund structure?

The balance in your RSA will not change due to the movement to the multi-fund structure because the entire balance would be moved to the appropriate fund without charges. However subsequent growths in your balance would depend on contributions such as the mandatory monthly contributions, voluntary contributions as well as returns generated by the PFA on that particular fund.

What is/are the requirement(s) for switching from one fund type to another?

In order to switch from one fund type to another, a formal request must be submitted by the contributor to his or her PFA.

Do I need to seek an advice from external financial advisor or my PFA before taking a decision to switch?

Whilst you are at liberty to seek advice from external financial advisers, we would make information available on the fund performance and indices to enable you take an informed decision.

If my date of birth is wrongly captured, which Fund Type will my PFA profile me?

You still have the opportunity to check and update your records with your PFA before the commencement of the transition.

Will I be able to move back to the preferred fund free of charge after my date of birth correction (especially when my date of birth was wrongly captured by my PFA)?

Yes, you will be able to move free of charge given that a contributor has the option to move for free once within 12 months. However, you still have the opportunity to check and update your records with your PFA before the commencement of the transition.

Can I split my voluntary contribution in a separate Fund Type while my mandatory goes into another Fund Type?

Every RSA holder is entitled to only one Pin for all types of contributions. Consequently, your voluntary contribution will be in the same Fund as your mandatory contribution.

Will the RSA and VC funds have separate fund price or the same?

The RSA and VC will have the same fund price because they will be invested in the same fund the contributor selects.

How will the Fund Prices under the Multi-Fund Structure be determined at the point of crossing over to the new structure and what would happen to the Old Fund Price and units?

PenCom would provide guidance to how the fund price and units would be treated in the operating framework that would guide the transition.

What are the multi-funds options for Approved Existing Schemes?

Approved Existing Schemes are governed by the Board of Trustees who have the right to structure the portfolios in the best interest of the beneficiaries subject to PenCom’s approval. Consequently, the BOTs of contributory AESs can amend their agreements and restructure them along the lines of the Multi-Fund structure.



What impacts does Multi-Fund structure have on my future pension assets at the point of retirement?

The Multi-Fund structure provides more alignment between your retirement goals, risk appetite and age. Consequently, there will be a better chance for your pension assets to meet your expectations when you retire.



Once an RSA holder makes a withdrawal such as 25% and then becomes unemployed, can he request that his funds be moved to another fund structure since no contributions are entering his RSA?

The regulation does not restrict movements due to withdrawal of 25%. As long as the individual is below 50 years, the option is to switch between Fund I and Fund II.

Is it possible for a client below 50 years to move to fund III?

No, Fund III is strictly for active contributors of 50 years and above.

If I decide to switch from Fund II to Fund I, can I switch back to Fund II?

Yes, but it will be at a cost if you intend to switch back to Fund I within 12 months.

Will I have access to the financial reports of other funds?

The annual financial reports of the RSA Funds of all PFAs are published once a year in at least 2 national dailies. In addition, the fund prices would be published daily on the websites of the PFAs.

With the new multi-fund structure, can I be given the option to choose which specific variable income instruments my funds can be invested in?

No, the regulation only allows contributors to select a Fund, but the PFAs would continue to have the responsibility of selecting the specific instruments that the Funds would be invested in.



Will the charge for moving between funds be deducted from the RSA or paid as a separate amount in to the bank?

The charge would be deducted from the RSA balance of the contributors.

zamirikpo:
Ok....guyz I was deep in thoughts today but would like to get ur thoughts on the real effect of inflation on the naira.
In the spirit of locking up funds for 20yrs in TB and hoping to profit from compounding interest what would be the real value of the naira in the same period. 10yrs back I could buy a bag of rice for 8 - 10k so when I see even 1m in my account I know it's a lot of money. Today I need 20k or more to buy the same bag of rice.

So my question is how much value would my compounded interest have after 20yrs......it would be very funny to buy a bag of rice for 150k in 2038.

How does this inflation thing really work over time.

This should give you an idea of how the trend has been. Our worst years were 1996 (40%) and 2006 (>25%) while our best period in recent years are between 2013 and 2016 when we remained on single digit. Things got bad again from 2016 but we are gradually getting better.

The idea is to spread your risk, dont put all of your eggs in one basket. Have a realistic plan and a goal, just remember it is not MMM so its slow and steady.

One thing I have noticed with Nigerians is "herd mentality" everyone wants to do what everyone thinks is the right thing without doing their analysis. I have had debates for years with people on why they should not have a 'one size fits all' approach to real estate investment but its amazing how a lot of people think you don't know what you're talking about.
For them, since everyone is buying land and building, then they have to do the same.

I have heard baseless comments like 'Land always appreciates', 'house always appreciates' and they fail to understand that it all depends on some factors.

Anyways, its best to spread your risks, manage your expectations with real estate cos a lot depends on your ability to speculate correctly.
I am a fan of liquid investments

ahiboilandgas:
I bought a land for 720 k in 2003 in a developing area used around 150 k to fence and put gate ....i sold it to 11 m naira in 2014 ....my coinvestor bought 10 for 7 m then and sold for 120 m million naira....our 3 friend bought for 800 k in 2004 used 7 m to build a deplux on it later in 2015 sold it for 35 m naira while the 4 guy used around 15 m to build 4 unit of he renting it for 1.5 m annually

Bros which part of Nigeria did your friend build duplex for 7m in 2015?

Miders:


Yes my assumption is that both investment have the same interest rate. I understand that fluctuations will affect MMF that's why i used average rate of 12% within 12 months period for simplicity, so lets assume the rates ranged between 14% and 11% within that year. In reality one can not predict the average rate for MMF for a year in advance i just us to use 12% for the analysis. It could even be higher (thereby having an advantage over TB) or lower (being at a disadvantage to TB) than 12%.

The aim of this is to know which option would give better value with this assumption that both have 12% interest.

Its all a matter of choice Sir

Miders:
Am not sure how these money market funds interests are applied, is it compounded with existing balance daily or just once on the initial capital annually? Which investment option would actually yield more returns within one year (365 days) in the two scenarios below.

a) Invest N1million in TB @12%, so as to use the interest of roughly 120k paid upfront to give my brother a monthly allowance of 10k for that year. At the end of one year from date of my investment which is the maturity date I get my initial capital back with no addition or subtraction.

b) Invest N1million in a Money Market Fund that yields an average of 12% P.A, withdraw only the 10k needed for my brother's upkeep every month till the end of that year. At the end of that year would i be left with exactly my initial capital, more than it or less than it? Am not sure because i dont know how the interest is applied considering my constant monthly withdrawal.

Gurus in the house please help analyse these scenarios if you know.

In your scenerio you have made the assumption that both investments have same interest rate right? But in the practical terms, TB has an advantage with fixed rate for the 365 days period and interest paid upfront.
For MMF, interest rates may keep fluctuating and this affects your yield.
Rates were well over 18% as at October 2017 but right now it has gone as low as 12%.
So say for instance the guy who invested in TB at 17% for 365 days in October 2017 has an advantage over the guy who invested in MMF at 18% around the same period cos the TB rate of 17% is locked down for him while for MMF its not.
I'm not a guru but I think this explains it

Anas09:
I met vook here, he left but his account is active.

One guy i admired so much his intellectual prowess was Viaro, he posted last 2010, his account is still active. What about SirJohn? Nuclearboy? dem plenty. sometimes an old thread is pull up, we see all the old guys.

And, maybe some people got tired of the stupidity here but didn't bother to deactivate but just left.

SirJohn is alive and strong, been watching from the sidelines.
Some of the topics we brought to the fore and debated hotly on NL several years ago later became household topics of discussion.
'Tithing' was one of them, I believe every thought on tithing was treated on NL before Freeze made it a national issue.
I'm glad that the passage of time did what most of us coming together on NL could not do, many things just unravelled on their own.

Good ol' days mehn!!!

Hmmm, nearly a decade and this thread is still causing sleepless nights?

Gombs:

Several years on, I'm glad this thread is still opening eyes.
I still stand by every word

Hey Guys longest time! been away from the religion section, in fact, I've only been showing up as a guest on NL
Lots of important things to do jooor; been having a blast with fatherhood jare

Candour four mentions from your post on the 500k pledge. . . Errmmm!! NO COMMENTS

Gombs, Joagbaje, Goshen360, et al I hail o


peace!

My brother, the matter tire me honestly
Its unfortunate how low so called Christians will go just to protect some already battered ego.
Too bad he can't wriggle out of this one
#joagbajepayupyourdebt

trustman:


I thought the issue was clear - the case of one Jeff (not many Jeffs or Jeff plus other persons) and the resultant challenge by you. 
The question now is: Did sirJohn prove you wrong on that matter? 
What the rest of us are seeing is yes, he did. 
So integrity demands that you pay him or perhaps beg for release. 

However what we see you do is refuse to own up but try to take twists and turns to evade the issue. Why bring up other issues unrelated to Jeff's case or try to 'push' the blame on him. See what you wrote:
 'I didn't make a mistake .'
'I saw slight difference in the appearance but I assumed it was due to his sickness . '
'So if there was a mistake . It's from the guy ... ...'
'Satan can set any one up.'
So, in all these what are you saying? That what you claimed was true but has now turned out otherwise was either Jeff's fault or Satan's?

It is unfortunate that many of you CE folks on this forum never want to admit when you're wrong. Maybe that stems from some wrong teaching like winsomeX is bringing up in this thread. 

The scripture says "Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything more than this comes from evil." 

Not focusing on Jeff's issue and trying to bring up other cases looks to me diversionary. If you were deceived to make a wrong claim own up. You're behaving like Adam who blamed his wrong action on the woman. God did not excuse him because of that. Neither should you think you should be in this case

Joagbaje:
You will argue your case to the last. The chat I sent to you about Jeff was one of the last . I reached him from beginning , I send message to him on Facebook , I sent to his pastor too . I sent pictures of the video before I finally sent video.

. The woman who got healed of blindness is still alive I posted her number here , I posted her brother's number. If she wasn't blind what did she tell you she got healed of. Because the women said you lied.

Joagbaje, there's nothing to argue here, this case is closed. The hospital denied having the HIV- result that you and Jeff claimed they had, what more do you need?
You were not intelligent to spot the holes, I did that for you and even gave you a wonderful opportunity to learn a thing or two, if pride will not let you see your ineptitude, then I think I should just leave you to your folly.

Please let that woman's case be, neither you nor myself can prove who is lying because the conversation was not recorded. I have all of Jeff's recording and I sent some to you and you confirmed he was lying. I have no doubt the woman also may have lied to you like Jeff did.
You need to really ask yourself why your so called members are lying to you, don't try to blame me for your gaffes. No matter how you try to twist this one, it will be there to sting you for as long as you can imagine.
Thanks
#joagbajepayupyourdebt

Joagbaje:

I didn't make a mistake . Among numerous testimonies of great miracles . A guy I never knew came testifies he too was healed of HIV . I editors brought out a video of "while he was being prayed for , I saw slight difference in the appearance but I assumed it was due to his sickness . But just to be sure . I asked for his numbers asked him what he was wearing while being prayed for . And also sent a link to him to watch the video and he confirmed he watched the video and he was the person being prayed for . What more evidence do I need . The horse has spoken. That's enough for me. But because I wanted to post this online ,I asked for his medical report and he said he didn't collect it. And I said " pls go and collect them ,because I want to post your testimony online . He said he would get it in the week. And I assume he did that. I posted my chat with him . So if there was a mistake . It's from the guy who said he was the one in the video without watching the video.

You started posting the link to the purported healing as early as August last year, the chat you sent to Jeff asking him to clarify if he was the one in the video was sent in September this was after someone here on NL had already started raising dust about the video. You only bothered to find out because questions have already started flying round.
the video was your first error and you already admitted here on NL and even apologized for the misrepresentation

Joagbaje:

You're more concerned about rubbishing joagbaje than finding out truth, you've been eager to go online to do your rubbish as usual . And I told you "be patient" The bottom of the Jeff matter is as important to me as well . Because if Jeff didn't get healed ,I can't phantom how on earth someone will climb the altar of God to testify a lie. What would be his gain? I'm curious to know . I'm willing to spend any amount , chatter a car get him hotel rooms and give him money for his trips if there need be to get to the bottom . But you kept pressing to go online . And also rubbishing me before the guy . You don't know how far I'm willing to go. It's not about clearing my name it's about . Asking Jeff his motives if it's true he didn't get healed. And I was cooperative with you. We even got the first medical paper from the hospital without Jeff knowledge . And planned to carry Jeff to do fresh medical test. You didn't spend a dime . But I lost interest in the matter after I saw the SMS you sent to Jeff that I wanted to use his testimony for glory or something like that. That's the one I saw only God knows what other things you did . Why getting in the way of an investigation , why launching attack at my person. Is it about the 500k? Do you know how much I'm willing to spend on the matter? I thought I was opened enough for you. Only to see the rubbish you're posting on Nairaland . Which is what you're after not the truth .

I laugh at you!
You didn't know when I started my investigation and how far I had gone. I brought you in when I was certain that your Jeff was playing a game, this was after over a month of speaking with him. I sent you some of the recordings so I'm sure you listened to how very cordial our conversations were; you also confirmed from those recordings that your man lied several times.
Yes, we got the medical report that confirmed him HIV+ and the hospital also confirmed that there IS NO RECORD OF A HIV- RESULT FOR JEFF WITH THEM. Recall that you and Jeff claimed you have results from three hospitals, well, one of the hospitals already denounced your claim, that leaves us with two right? Jeff was unable to provide the reports from the other two hospitals even after you kept doling out money to him and he kept lying to you with on story today and another tomorrow. Was it not one of your pastor and I that stopped you from further wasting money on the guy?

Maybe you should also tell everyone why he later escaped when he heard he would be taken for a fresh test.

It was my investigation, I had already gotten my facts and only brought you in to confirm the obvious which thankfully you did. I had may facts as early as September, I was even taunting you on some of my posts to give you a hint that I was doing an investigation but you were not smart enough to see it. At a time, one Boss13 was even raising alarm about the video when he noticed discrepancy, that was when you started contacting Jeff to know if he was the person in the video.

Joagbaje:

You claimed God doesn't heal again . And if anyone can present a miracle to you will travel to that place ,investigate ,talk with relatives and Neighbours and you will give 500k and Apologise in newspapers . I shared testimonies of people I prayed and got healed . You said you wanted more serious ones. I told you about a guy with leg ulcer or cancer for two years of treatment in the hospital without cure and when I prayed for him the leg healed up in one week . I mentioned also a lady with blindness who git healed almost instantly I prayed for her. You said you preferred that one. I took me effort to locate someone who gave me her number . Because it happened around 2007 or so . I called her and asked her again about her testimony . She confirmed she is still healed . And I told her I want to share her testimony online and some people may call her ,she should be free to cooperate . She only said I should not bring her to face crown . And I said it's only phone call.
I sent you the number and I was shocked you went on Nairaland claiming she was not blind. That's a big fat lie . I called the lady and she said you lied because she told you the whole testimony . You didn't travel there to as promised to find out , I posted her brother"s number ,who led her by hand to be prayed for . But you're more eager to rubbish as usual . The lady is still seeing perfectly today . 2weeks blindness healed within 15 minutes .

As for your statement in bold, stop twisting my words Jo, I know exactly what I said and I dare you to quote where i made the statement without altering any part of it

The case of the 'blind' woman is still very fresh in my memory, the Jeff case finally vindicated me and showed who was lying all along.
The woman told me she wasn't blind, you claim she told you she was; well have you asked yourself if this is not another Jeffgate? It was because of this woman's case that I decided to close all gaps with the Jeff case and it worked.
I proved beyond doubt that Jeff was not healed, the onus is on you to prove otherwise. produce his HIV- result or keep silent and pay the debt you owe.
Thanks

So you're not ashamed to still show your face here right?
You are the one who is dishonest, you never denied any of the facts I put out there. Your claim was debunked and that was what the challenge was all about. Whether or not you intentionally manipulated the whole thing is left between you and your god. There are a million questions still begging for answers in this jeffgate and I know you can't answer them.
You already admitted that you made a mistake and that this was Satan's attack on your ministry. If you don't mind, please tell the world how I am dishonest. You should rather be hiding your face in shame for being so unintelligent to be fooled by the person of Jeff, that is if actually you were not in on the whole thing.

Please post the link to where I owe you and I will pay up

Joagbaje:


He's not just honest that's all. I've explained my stand . Evidence shows There wasn't any manipulation . And he should have been patient to proper conclusion of investigation . Instead being so much in a hurry to make himself hero as usual. I was the one spending money to carry out his investigation. Yet he's not straight forward . We've gone this way before. That even reminds me he's owing me 500k for that other one

Gombs:


SirJohn, at this point, I have nothing else to drag on here. I've been asked to leave matters be.

It was wise counsel for you to jettison the move. Honestly you would have hit the rocks

Gombs:

Thanks for a whole lot. Hopefully will have coffee with you someday.

Yeah why not, wouldn't be a bad idea having a chat over a cup of hot cappuccino, life is beyond Nairaland and the sooner anyone understands this the better.

Gombs:

For the coercion part, I reserve my comments, and will not burge... if some folks want to see it any way they like, fine with me.

The concept of coercion here was a figment of Joagbajes imagination, he sold the idea to you and sadly you bought into it.
That sms to Jeff was sent on the 17th of November, this thread had already reached page 13 at that time, he had eloped from Mikes residence and stopped cooperating. Even Jo couldn't get him to talk again, I had to lure him with a reward since we realised he loved money and had already made Joagbaje part with some cash.
It took my intervention and that of Mike to stop Joagbaje from giving him more money.
Joagbaje has a lot to thank me for; common sense is not that common after all.
Thanks Buddy!

Bros, you couldn't have said it any better; I probably shouldn't have bothered replying the shameless bunch.
I want to see how they plan to wriggle out of their mess.

Candour:


Pasitor Jo suddenly finds His online voice again after being "missing in action" Egbon, wey the cash??

My friend Gombs, how u dey? What is this new twist about coercion you and Jo are trying to throw up?

How do you coerce a man 'healed' of deadly HIV to lie against himself and deny his 'great deliverance'? Did SirJohn threaten to kill him?

John 9 tells us the story of a blind man getting healed. The combined forces of the pharisees and rulers of the synagogue couldn't get him to deny the miracle and he was eventually cast out of the synagogue (a terrible punishment then) yet he remained steadfast. Who is SirJohn compared to folks who had power of life and death over fellow humans?

If Jeff truly got 'healed', a thousand SirJohns CANNOT get him to stop telling every living thing about it.

I'm afraid that your premise for this attempt at debunking SirJohn is very weak and unworthy of any rational consideration.....it won't cut it my friend

Cheers

So gombs, show me how you came about your 'coercion' theory or didn't Joagbaje show you this convo between me and him where I told him why I made Jeff an offer?

Or maybe Joagabje should tell us why a member of his church who was supposedly healed of HIV have refused picking his calls

Or better still can you explain why Jeff absconded when he was told a fresh test would be conducted on him

Maybe still he should also explain how either he or Mike was replying me from Jeffs phone even when they claimed that he had absconded and that they could not reach him.

If you claim the investigation isn't over, can you please explain why the hospital that Jeff claimed to have tested negative denied having any such record? what more do you need to trash his claim?

SirJohn:
Hmmm, is 'coercion' the new mantra for fighting a lost cause?
I will address it in a moment

Okay where were we?
Ah, I've attached my conversation with Jeff including the one gombs was alluding to in order to sell his 'coercion' nonsense.
Please sit back and digest the convo, I'll be back to give details.

^^^Please note the dates in the conversation^^^

Hmmm, is 'coercion' the new mantra for fighting a lost cause?
I will address it in a moment