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the difference isn't going to be much then. enjoy your v6.

your attachment says it does take more fuel to run an ac even though it is minute. but it does. the writer assumes that cars are constantly being driven at 50mph where drag becomes a factor. in city driving, you rarely ever get to 30mph and as such drag is a not a factor; throwing that hypothesis/theory out of the window.

you rely on what you read off the internet but not what you measure and verify yourself.
do you think that internet poster did any physical measurements to back up his claim or post his opinions just like you havebeen doing.

leuelliot:
i owe you a bottle of your favorite wine, (lay mans explanation you are using your on-top reserve)

lol. na stout I dey oo. one carton won't be bad.

leuelliot:
i owe you a bottle of your favorite wine, (lay mans explanation you are using your on-top reserve)

lol. na stout I dey oo. one carton won't be bad.

yemmit90:
Thanks so much for sharing this information. Even with all these tips, i think trucks should be restricted to night only on Lagos-Ibadan expressway.

in this 21st century? if we apply all the op said and the government gets their head outta their arses to provide us good roads, we wouldn't complain so much about trucks. I admit that a few nutjobs (truckers) exist out there.

with the current fuel scarcity which has become a trend, I guess more people are going to give diesel cars a second thought.
I was in traffic two days ago when a Volkswagen golf with a SDI badge (SDI is diesel) pulled up beside me. I beckoned the driver and enquired if his engine was still diesel as it had a strange whine to it and didn't sound like a diesel at all. he informed me that unfortunately he had changed the engine and converted it to petrol after one or two issues and he regrets it. he asked after mine and I told him mine still has the original engine. the dude started telling me how he could go to Lagos and come back on almost one tank. how economical the previous engine was and how he felt invincible during fuel scarcity. now he has to queue to buy fuel and endure the insults from petrol attendants. how he wished for the days he could drive in from the wrong gate, fill up drive away to the consternation of those on the queue. he wished me well and said he hoped I keep my engine. I told him not to worry about that as the engine will most likely outlive the shell of the car itself.
805 km on 55 litres (60% short trips and city driving, 40% highway driving).

how's that for economy?

walcolm:
@9icet

I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore cos I really don't give a damn whether you know or you don't

well, I do and you don't. your world, suit yourself. meanwhile femi4 has given you the info you asked for. how you use it is up to you.

femi4:
Wrong analogy!
Its good to read your vehicle manual

Extra load on engine = more fuel consumption.

AC is extra load, but driving on high speed with AC on reduces fuel consumption

abeg help me educate am. and he/she is even calling me names and issuing a challenge. lol.

femi4:
Wrong analogy!
Its good to read your vehicle manual

Extra load on engine = more fuel consumption.

AC is extra load, but driving on high speed with AC on reduces fuel consumption

abeg help me educate am. and he/she is even calling me names and issuing a challenge. lol.

walcolm:
you should worry about your own ignorance.

yes the car battery is charged by the alternator and whether the battery is actively charging or is in a state of full charge, the alternator loads the engine so long as the engine is running.

for modern cars with lots of convenience accessories that run off the battery, the alternator will have to keep topping up the battery as those accessories draw power from the battery but that does not mean the rate of charge increases as you switch on items that draw their power source only from the battery (lights, radio etc) so the engine load read out on a diagnostic tool will not go up when you switch on lights or play radio as you have claimed

you are not anymore intelligent that others on this thread and you can contribute to the collective learning experience without being a jerkas5 with your posts

please don't call me names, I haven't called you one yet. do not hide behind the safety of a computer screen and spew trash.
the rate of charge does not increase?! why do automakers size alternators to fit demand then? why not fit a cheaper honda fit alternator into a honda accord. have u ever seen the alternator equipped in an ambulance engine?
abeg no show urself.
if you have a scanner which can show live data, just perform this simple test and update your knowledge.
start your car, connect the scanner and run live update. look out for engine load. turn on your high beams, your Ac blowers and Ac and tell us what happens to that engine load. do that before you come back here to call names.

smsglory:
....posted this questions was because I got the full tank at VGC Lekki Ajah axis and drove all the way to Alagbado (Lagos-Ogun)and Back to Ajah....d guage didn't drop ooo.
I use a V6, 3.3 engine size space bus and one of the Catalyst is not present.

I fill long journey driving doesn't drain your fuel, but interstate movement does.

Thank u all...

it is true that longer journeys use less fuel per kilometer compared to shorter journeys.
with regards to to the fuel gauge not moving after filling up driving for a while, this is what happens;
(a). your fuel level gauge (sender) is a float usually attached the fuel pump assembly which rises and falls as your fuel level rises and falls.
there is a lot of space above that float which fuel goes into right up to fuel receptacle.
the float will not move until all the fuel stored here is used up (on some cars, this is up to ten liters).
the float will only start moving after all that fuel on top of it is used up.
and as soon as it starts moving, it really moves. this gives car owners the wrong impression that their cars use more fuel after the fuel gauge has left the full mark.

walcolm:
Actually, what you should be ashamed of is your own response and like you said, the information is out there for any one who wants to learn.

the fact the you say lights and interior fan (electrical systems that run off the car's battery) load a car's engine confirms to me you do not know what you're talking about.

those who want to know, are free to learn

and the battery gets its juice from the alternator which in turn gets its power from the engine. do you get the logic here? connect a scangauge or obd Bluetooth readout to your car, lookup "engine load", turn on all electrical appliances on your car to maximum and tell me if the engine load figure does not go up. we are all here to learn. I learnt a lot here and in other fora but I swear the level of ignorance here is monumental.

jeak123:
@OP, I have always been wondering on the fuel consumption of the car while the a/c is on. This confusion stems from the fact that, even while the engine is off, you can run your car a/c. The only snag is it runs down your battrey How come the a/c consumes fuel when it actually runs on the car battery? Would be grateful if more light is thrown on this.

you can only run your blower (fan) with the battery but not your Ac compressor. your compressor needs your engine to be on to work unless you have an auxiliary heating or cooling system (available in some new model vehicles). this auxiliary system runs on whatever powers your vehicle though.
the Ac does not run on the car battery.

walcolm:
that roadside mechanic talk about AC being a load is in itself a myth.

the AC compressor is always connected to the engine by the fan belt. so whether you're actually using the AC or not, it is already factored into the car's fuel efficiency and its part of the engine

analogy: if your fridge is plugged in, if you turn the temperature to cooling or you dont, it will still use up your electricity. the difference is that when you ask it to cool, the cooling agent travels through the system to drop the temperature as it is using that electricity. the same thing is what happens with the car AC

wrong! while your compressor is connected to the engine by a belt, it is not pumping/compressing any fluid until it is engaged. at that point it puts load on your engine which increases fuel consumption. even lights and fans load an engine and increase fuel use. the amount of fuel used to compensate for the extra load depends on the state of the engine, engine power output, amount of load etc.
i am ashamed of some of the responses here. the internet is a global village and I hope readers out there do not take the responses here as a fair representation of our level of knowledge.

if its a simple 4 banger and you can spare a few cans of beer, then you can come to my place and we can do a little troubleshooting together over the weekend. I may pinpoint the fault or I may eliminate a few things and tell you what a tech should look out for.

nissparts:
Don't waste your time. That's the mpg you'll get with our quality of fuel and lagos traffic.
Nothing wrong with the vehicle

I was going to tell him the exact same thing. OP, nothing is wrong with your vehicle. the petrol in Nigeria is crap. your car runs on a higher octane petrol which is not available here so your engine adjusts timing, sacrifices fuel economy and power to run right.
don't wreck that car trying to fix what wasn't broken.
even the advertised mpg for ur car is rarely ever attained. add Lagos traffic to the mix and u can kiss that advertised mpg good bye.

MyGeneration:
How does stopping black market stop scarcity, i think it wud only mk it worse.

it will not make scarcity worse. it will actually alleviate the scarcity. most petrol stations hoard petrol and sell off in bulk to black market sellers with higher margins. the petrol stations make more money doing this so they'd rather lock up their stations and sell off to black marketers. this makes it impossible for legal users like you and I to drive into a petrol station to buy petrol at the stipulated price. the black marketers now sell this petrol at almost twice the stipulated price so as to make profit and pay off the margins they paid to the unscrupulous petrol stations.
it makes the scarcity worse.

the M1 was not a success. it was seriously underpowered and lacked the handling associated with BMWs. BMW does not remember it fondly. my best BMW is the e46. lovely car. hugs the road like its on tracks.

That is more than good. A lot of people can only dream about such high FE in highway driving talk less of city driving.

team diesel.
fuel scarcity warris DAT?
on a serious note sha, i will advise anyone to queue for a few hours for a full tank than buy black market.
those black market fuels have sent many engines and pumps to their graves.

irunooboo:
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bullshit

eat it.

irunooboo:
why the emphasis on Dangote as if he drove the truck? Who knows if the couple were not concentrating before the crash? Dangote is not the owner of any truck that has his name on it.

Rip to the careless couples who couldnt turn on their full lights to see what is in front of them

it is true that dangote was not behind the wheels however his brand is being tarnished by the activities of these senseless drivers who drive dangote branded trucks. in saner climes, the populace would have boycotted his products and shown him people power.
trucks without lights and reflectors at their rear and sides shouldn't be allowed on our roads. FRSC is failing in this massively. they are always so quick to penalise innocent motorists while ignoring these trucks that are not road worthy and cause a higher percentage of fatal accidents on our roads.
did you just blame the couple for failing to put their full lights on? do you know it is an offence to drive with your full lights when there are oncoming vehicles? it is not even courteous. for all I know this couple may have failed to see the dangote truck because another monkey behind the wheels blinded them with his FULL lights (high beams by the way).
it shows how much you know about being a road user. RIP to the couple.
the driver of that truck should be arrested for manslaughter.

bayooz:
We received the death of the Minister of State for Labour and Productivity and his wife and son yesterday. Let us ponder on the incident.
1. The Lexus Gx570 is one of the latest with safety kits. Why the multiple somersaults?
2. How many occupants were in vehicle? Between 6-7?
3. Why the minister and his family died, others survived? Where were they sitting before the sad event?
4. At what likely speed did the tire burst and the vehicle became uncontrollable?
5. What burst the tire ?
6. All the airbags were seemingly deployed. But it seemed some occupants were flunged out.
7 What happened to the traction, abs, vsc etc. Were they problematic?
8. Is the driver under some influence?
9. Was the vehicle overloaded?


Siena and co. I need mechanics and physics of this unfortunate event.

1. it has a high centre of gravity and is more susceptible to rollover if something goes awry e.g a blowout.
2. the number of occupants had no factor in the event.
3. those that survived (driver) had their seat belts on and were restrained during the somersaults. those who didn't have their seat belts on were thrown about like ragdolls.
4. VIP convoys in Nigeria drive like they have a death wish. they constantly violate speed limits and leave very little room for error with their manner of driving hence the high casualty figures whenever they get involved in an accident. they may have been travelling at over 140km/hr.
5. anything could have burst the tire e.g pothole, manufacturers defect, over inflation, road debris e.tc. my bet is on over inflation.
6. occupants who didnt have their belts on were flung out. accidents do not respect persons.
7. traction control, abs and co won't do shit in a blowout. your presence of mind, calmness, speed of thought, lady luck and skill as a driver will see you through.
8. only forensic (which we lack here) can tell that.
9. I doubt it was overloaded. he had several other cars in the convoy to carry stuffs.

Tayo2014:
What of situation when you are in traffic for hours

minutes or hours is spent idling the car in traffic will reduce the miles or kilos your petrol can take you. it all factors in.

laksides:
I swear, he no go better for poverty

its not poverty. its about knowing how much you spend on certain things. folks about who are way better off and earn more still care to know how much they spend on petrol, diesel or transport fares. it will help in making a budget. it will actually help you plan your expenses, save more, detect when your vehicle is having issues and a whole lot more. it takes less than two minutes to work out the maths.
two minutes isn't a long time now, is it?
a lot of folks in Nigeria cry about poverty cos they have never sat down to work out how much they earn, how much they spend and what they spend it on.
information as minute as this will actually help one in planning.
my 2 cents.

peterjero:
The last time I checked Lewis Hamilton was a millionaire with a faster car and when I did a defensive drivers training, the instructor said you can also avoid accident by staying at home and guess what you might die of hunger, even the roughest driver do not want to die.

lewis races on a track in a race car and not on the streets in an underpowered sedan. defensive driving? really?

gmyguy:
i just got invited to race a medium sized lexus car at the traffic light...i don't know the model off-hand , but i think it shud be 06 upward model. I was in a 2006 2.5ltr 5cyl jetta. it was a drag race. anyway, i won, maybe cos i was only occupant n d other car had like 3 guys init.
So i'm bragging to my friend in Ib about it, and he's looking forward to smoking me with his 03, 4 cylinder accord.
I actually sold off my accord to buy this jetta and even though d accord is nice, i feel its a shitty car compared to the jetta, though the jetta has a shittier interior and annoying electrical problems when they crop up
My question is for those who may know these 2 cars, do u think the 03 2.4ltr accord can out-run an 06 5cyl jetta??

go and check their 0_60 times. stop toyin with your life and that of others. used to do this but now know better. the only reward that awaits is pain and grief if you survive.

going to print this and keep. as we can all see, there is no provision in there for expired tires or cracked wind screen.
these two are FRSC cashcows at the moment. they milk unsuspecting motorists based on these two daily.
a smashed wind screen impairs vision while a cracked wind screen doesnt . as such it doesn't pose any danger.
a worn out tire is not same as an expired tire. of which FRSC cannot say a tire is expired cos no tire carries an expiry date but rather a manufacture date.
also note that having a luggage or two on your roof. rack is not overloading unless the luggage exceeds the dimensions of your car and makes the vehicle unstable.
the roof rack was installed in some cars to carry load and not for fancy.

plan to do a boost leak test on the turbo pipes of the Octavia. fixed one turbo pipe boot that was leaking. so far no oil stains found underneath unlike before. turbo whistle has gotten a bit loud lately and the car smokes a bit upon brisk application of throttle.
also plan to blank the egr hole during the test. it has messed up my intake that was cleaned out sometime in august last yea and i have a feeling my egr doesnt seal properly. my fault though as I do a lot of short distance journeys.
intend to make the tools for the test using 2 inch silicone hose about 10 cm in length, 2 appropriately sized jubilee clips to secure the silicone hose, 2 inch PVC pipe capped at one end (5 cm in length), valve and a bicycle pump.

No 14 though. A lot of people are culprits. Kai, saw one guy seriously revving a Honda accord that got stuck in a ditch. I'm sure he's hunting for a new gearbox by now.

Except you are on a race track and an avid racer, you have no business comparing a RWD to A FWD just because you can drive from Oshodi to Apapa. For all intents and purposes in our daily grind, a FWD setup will give you all the handling and power you need.
And like Siena pointed out above, they have even better traction is certain situations. Our roads in Nigeria are littered with debris, loose soil and in certain places, muddy. FWD cars will negotiate these sort of roads with better traction than a rear wheel drive since the weight of the engine is pressing down on the driving wheels giving it better grip.

Torque steer is a non issue with the standard corollas and accords we drive here where HP is often below 250 (six cylinders included) How often do we ever get to use up to 120 HP. I've monitored my HP readout from my scanner a few times and logged them and have never ever got the car to use up to 80 HP. So whats torque steer got to do in everyday driving? Even RWD setups have Torque steer as has been pointed out.

Handling is much more than drive configuration. Lots of other things like size, weight distribution, suspension and tire size affect handling. Smaller cars handle better. A Ford focus, mini cooper (old type) or the lotus will hold lines better than most RWD cars and register amazing times and shame a lot of RWD setups in a slalom test which is the epic test for handling.

Better stopping distance? Let me ask the Benz guy who rammed my rear two weeks ago.

patlead:
your response sounds like it can be better.can servicing with a higher grade of oil make the consumption better? I use the 20 w50 grade oil.I just love to keep m cars in top shape.

you may be able to get better mpg if you do a proper tune up as well as use a lower weight engine oil.
start by getting brand new OEM spark plugs, replacing bad plug wires, replacing or cleaning air filter. making sure brakes are not binding. setting your alignment properly. inflating tires properly. driving less aggressively.

[quote author

I think I need to equip my vehicle with at least 4 cameras, one facing front, one facing rear and two to cover the left and right side.

Any ideas on such a rig that can record continuously for 12 hours as well as GPS/time-stamp the video, since I want to be able to review my journeys in the hopes of improving both skill and technique and correcting any errors I might have made in future drives?[/quote]I'd like such a contraption too.

Kashif:
The heat generated by the TC will not burn your fluid unless your cooling system is defective. The components to bear the brunt are the seals. It is also possible for some valves to stick to very low tolerant bores. All the same, its better to be in neutral at an extended stop.

The fuel consumption definitely higher in D, as the ECU would supply more fuel to maintain the set RPM.

the heat generated will not burn the fluid instantly. its the heat cycling which happens over time that degrades the fluid. the fluid eventually fails and leaves the owner with a dead transmission. that's a key reason why a lot of transmissions fail in Nigeria where they are used in *extreme* conditions.