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robobo:The average of the last 2 dividends x 10 comes very close to the peak price before the declaration of new dividends in anticipation that the new year's end should at least meet the previous year’s yield if the EPS has been surpassed or met. This is true for most of the banks that average a yield of 10% assuming the shares were bought just before the declaration at the peak price before declaration. That price should climb after the declaration to reflect the yield and prospects of the stock. For example, Zenith Bank pays about N3.50 on average which x 10 gives say N35.00. This price would hover about this price till new prospects emerge, then the climb. Notice also the price matches the last organic EPS x 4 ( adjust without the variations induced by the foreign exchange valuations). Same for UBA, GTCO, etc. You can cross-check, and notice they would roughly come within a Neighboring range of x4 eps-x5 eps or x10 dividends. The companies however with huge FDI yields average about 5% so best to use dividends x 20 approximately…. e.g. Breweries, Oil and gas, conglomerates, MTN, Airtel, etc. I only buy these stocks for price appreciation once the price shows it’s well below a price commensurate with a 5% yield e.g. NB at current price and sell off once it attains dividends x20. Holding such a stock till dividends would mean you have settled for a yield of about 5%. In other words to put it simply… if sentiments anticipate a 5% yield meaning that those invested in the stock are happy with a 5% yield, then the price would reflect 5% but the earliest investors probably got the stocks at a premium. earning far more than the new investors e.g. Seplat. , NB, Guinness, etc. since they bought at prices far much lower in the past. So check the average yield in the sector. That should help. But 10% for banks. (EPS X4 or dividends x 10 most times reflects the target price before new EPS or dividends) . Would be happy to apply the calculations on the next report of a company with a good yield so you appreciate it better. Hope this clarifies it a bit better. |
kalkah:My Common Sense entry point : Buy if price of stock is well below 80% of 4xEPS FY estimates to guarantee at least above 20% gain in the investment . The 4x EPS FY will become your target price and the range if still strong could be 4xEPS-5x EPS. provided the company has good Dividend payment history within the sector. If the Dividend payment is very poor, aim at 75% 0f 4xEPS as target price meaning you would have to enter even lower ( that’s at least below 80% of this target). Review targets as new EPS come in. Use only EPS that’s organic ( I.e based on pure corporate sweat). REMEMBER TO INJECT DUE DILIGENCE IN EVERY PICK ESPECIALLY WHEN CURRENT PRICE IS ABOVE 4 X EPS. Consider these hypothetical examples below: 1. A company released Q2 half year results at say N5.5 but is currently sell at N18.00 . Dividend payment is adjudged good. My target would be N44 and range N44-N55. I would buy. 2. A company with a full year results EPS of N1.05 currently selling at N1.00 should rally quickly to N4.00 if with good or improving fundamentals . I would buy and target exit at N4.00 except new EPS suggest otherwise. 3. A company with current price at N60.00 but EPS of N2.00 is not a buy for me as 4x EPS is only N8.00 . It remained however good for those who bought it earlier at less than N8.00 . REMEMBER all strategies were derived at a point in time. This works for me and keeps my losses to a minimum. |
aj8:NNFM target is close. Will offload once it attains N40.00 . A price above N40.00 though possible , will not influence my holding on to the stock. I will only consider re-entry if EPS for Q3 is above N8.00 but will re-enter only if price drops below N25.00. |
BabsO2:Revenue will increase but EPS will decrease for a few years and consequently, price will fall. FBN's current price rise indicates the most likely trend to come ( you can refer to my last post on this). Many big banks could issue bonuses as part of their strategy and small banks merge with big banks. |
yMcy56:The only thing that can explain a FBNH price beyond N20.00 is a bonus. Can’t see them paying N2.00 dividend. And, even if the are to pay a dividend of say N2.00, the information will not be known yet by big money before the end of Q4.However, the need to widen the base may have already been raised about now. But I could be wrong. Probably makes a lot of sense for the big banks and a bellwether of what is to come. I am only speculating. |
essentialone:Dividends are paid from net income ( Profit after tax). Can’t really see how this could be of help. It’s not the company buying back but directors/ insiders trading. I think the surge in insider interest indicates an improvement in UBA’s dividend policy. The market has already priced in a dividend of N2.00. For any insiders transaction to be rational, it should outdo every other options currently available to the insider, which I believe is about average of 15%. Based on the foregoing, I feel the company may well pay minimum of N2.50 |
What is happening!!!
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Locotrader:Wait for the next volume price dissociation to buy. |
A small homework away from Biology. The intentions of the big traders or smart money are embedded in large volumes and the immediate follow through volumes . Note the prices circled in blue . You will discover something very fascinating. Below is the chart of recent historical volumes of UBA. 10 marks. ![]()
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yMcy56:Peruse Note 9 of UBA Q3 |
yMcy56:Yes Mer+y, but remember that the banks that have significant offshore presence i.e do banking also abroad, earn foreign income/interest and the conversion of such would boost the income profile. Moreover it would equally buoy the prospects of sustainability in these hard times. That’s my take. |
vacanci:Nope. But I find the mathematics in all this quite intriguing. |
BabsO2:To understand what’s happening you need to peruse UBA’S report. Check Note 5. Expect even more of such for FBN |
yMcy56:UBA and FBN have significant offshore presence and hence earn foreign exchange via interest rates abroad. FBN likely to outpace UBA’S foreign exchange earnings by about 20%. |
Streetinvestor2:Is the market funny or does it just respond to anything new…called NEWS. |
aj8:Off loaded Betaglass. Targets reached. Beta glass Likely to drop back to N44.00-N48.00 range. I bought NNFM today @19.95 . Target N40.00. UBA reappraised since considerable potential upside.New target is N24.00-N31.00. Holding on. |
Other Common sense targets are as follows UAC….N16.00 CUSTODIAN…N10.00 LINKAGE……….N1.00 WEMA……………N8.00 Based on my common sense strategy. Please do your due diligence. This is not an investment advice |
My common sense target for NNFM is N40.00
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My common sense price target for UBA N24.00-N31.00 Dividend estimate N2.00-N2.50 Based on my common sense strategy. Do kindly do all Due Diligence. This is not an Investment Advice
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onegentleguy:Good advice. Thank you. |
Mfunkynation:The future is pregnant. |
undead:Have you heard the phrase “ profit taking” ? There is a world of difference between paper gain and cashed out profit or loss. You have no claim to a profit or loss till you sell. N4mill has gotten nothing till you sell. When you sell, then we can compute your gain or loss. There is also a world of difference between girl friend and wife. Yes, till you marry her. Lesson here is TAKE PROFIT. YOU MUST KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TRADING . But if for dividends then whether the price soars or plunges it’s of no consequence. Not having a clear plan is simply gambling. |
My take. The key thing is never buy chicken without checking the weight. That’s simply valuation. Don’t buy any stock with price above the ideal for its weight/value. And , even after buying, sell once it’s start losing weight or likely to lose weight. Monitor your investment. Check reports, follow the news. Profit is profit whether 10% or 100%. Determine what appeals to you, hit it and leave the queue unless you only care for dividends. And even with that, be ready to jump ship when the future prospects become not so certain. |
With all the complaints about some stockbrokers, I think I can rate mine high. I have been with them for a little over 14 years without a single adverse incident. |
aj8:UBA is not your mate!!! Let’s hope it’s a turning point. The 50k interim signals the willingness to change their dividend policy. |
The Good the Bad and the Ulgly; the optimists and pessimists, all help in sharpening our investment mind. Kudos to everyone on this forum. |
Godisfaithful:Panic from what? |
I have the following on my buy list based on my Common Sense Entry Wema bank entry point below N5.00. My Target 6.5-8.00 Berger Paint entry point below N10.00 . My Target N12.00-15.00 Betaglass entry point below N35.00. My Target 48.00-52.00-60.00 I sold Nestle Friday. Buy back if below N350.00 Will review if new data comes in. My UBA target still N19.00 . Will buy more only if it dips below N12.00. I Expect it to have the most Blow out income statement for H1 of the banks based on their Foreign Currency Translation Reserves.( Second highest FCTR (N40bill plus) after First Bank’s (N50bill) Please do your due diligence. Above are my Common Sense Entry Points.
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Popson92:# I am not sure I have understood your question but if you meant what is today’s current price, I suggest you check on the NGX platform with your stock broker. However, if you meant how I deduce the My Common Sense Entry Point, I would just say..COMMON SENSE based on what the market is doing which is a function of expectations of those buying into it. Call it support and resistance but really in a layman understanding it’s the meeting point of demand and supply. Think in the same line as one buying crayfish from a market less on TA . |
yeddy99:Also note that the X4 accommodates the initial sum. Without the initial it would be a ratio of 53.667:156.495=2.9 |

