₦airaland Forum

Vivian16:
cunning man die cunning man bury am, this Buhari sudden coming to Lagos to commission some projects is just to pacify the Yorubas so that they will soft pedal on June 12 protest and to curry favour from them because he knows that only the north and west are championing one Nigeria if he looses support from Yorubas Nigerian is gone.

Joker! Protest away. Over 1 trillion naira worth of property was destroyed in Lagos during EndSars, how did that affect the President? The Southeast is setting fire to their father's houses to teach Buhari a lesson, what has Buhari learnt so far?

Opinion piece by Fisayo Soyombo of the infamous "Omi Ewa"? I'll pass. This self-styled "investigative journalist" lost me when he put up a shambolic report purportedly of the dead from lekki tollgate massacre. The report was fraught with so much fraud and was neither here nor there but the grant must be justified. We get it.

Jostoman:
were you there when they gave him the money.

Don't be daft. That is the official website of the MacArthur foundation. You can check it out yourself. He has a permanent suite at Raddison Blue hotel in Abuja where he relaxes and enjoys the fruit of his labour. He is not called a Grant Master for nothing.
Monkey dey work, baboon dey chop.

Wiseandtrue:
Few paid urchins disguising as indigenes, you mean

And someone was wondering why Yoruba was not on the powerful\brave ethnic group

The only proven paid urchins here are groups like femco and others who raised over 500 million naira in different currencies during the last protests and still can’t give accountability on it till this day.

Sowere has received close to 2 million dollars from the McArthur foundation to destabilize Nigeria with fake news and social unrest. How much of that money came into your pocket? He kept using the gullible youths as cannon fodder to prove to his sponsors that he is working, hence the recent gunshot stunts and others.

ThierryJay:
Sorry to jump into the argument, but I feel compelled to do so because you did not address the very valid point AMINDA was making.

He is basically asking you who or what determines who is right in free speech when there are conflicting views especially on social media. He gave a very valid case in point. On Twitter, people often get banned when their opinion is against the popular stand when in most cases the opinion is not in itself offensive when a neutral party views it. But they get banned simply because majority did not like those tweets and reported them e.g some people who called for the endsars protest to end early to avoid degeneration into chaos were bullied and reported by most of the twitterati.

So the key question is is that not a gag on free speech on twitter? Who determined that the people who were banned did not have a right to freedom of their expression, and that the people who reported them had a right?

Thank you. He understood what I said but he ain't got the answers. Jack, who has clearly shown his bias as far as Nigerian politics is concerned, has lost the moral compass to be the referee or the social media police. Hence, the suspension by the government.

htdot:
What if the channel he also used to passed this information is also banned? How will he broadcast it to nigerians. Hypocrisy at it peak

But "Nigerians" protested against him speaking at the NBA conference and we all cheered. Where were the free speech advocates then? It will only be an infringement if the government stops you from "vocally" speaking. That is the only thing the constitution guarantees you. Trump was banned from Facebook, Twitter, youtube, Instagram, reddit, virtually all platforms. He was welcomed on parler and the company hosting parler on the web pulled their license. Despite all these, no cries of free speech violation.

We can't all keep quiet and watch foreign social media companies determine what constitutes free speech and what doesn't.

jaxxy:
People have been loving and marrying inanimate objects for much longer than LGBT and it was their prerogative. Do I agree with it No! Am I going to swear at them because of it? No bt I can disagree it’s my right. If sm1 also want to live in the jungle it’s still their prerogative so long as I don’t hurt ur rights.

Free speech exist full bt it doesn’t mean u should hurt other people’s rights. What is hard in that now??

Can u just leave u house and go to ur neighbors room and shout at him for no reason because ure entitled to free speech??

Can I leave my desk at work and walk over to my colleagues desk at act like a jerk because I’m entitled to free speech?? I don’t know what exactly ur expecting here?

Free speech doesn’t mean do anything u like it means u have rights and should respect other people’s rights as well. Ure not their boss or master or creator. If u have an argument that’s fine u can say whatever that’s an altercation something lead to that. U are free bt respect others. How hard is that?

Government also has to respect its people guided by its constitution and international norms. In this world there is law and order. It exists just like free speech exists. Same with protests which are legal because it’s been accepted as a human right.

What exactly do u want? To have u way on everybody when u like and how u like? Who are you to do that to others, can some else do that to u??

You sound very woke and the funny thing with you woke people is self righteousness which sincerely is nothing but hypocrisy. Why do the cancel culturists still go back in time to comments people made 20 years ago to blacklist them and deplatform them. Where is their right to free speech? Kevin Hart was bullied and prevented from hosting the Oscars because of comments he joked about in the past which no longer sits right with the woke establishment. Where was his freedom of expression?

During EndSars, a lot of people in a mob-like manner, reported accounts that dared to say anything contrary to the protests and Twitter blocked and deleted their comments. Where was freedom of speech? If we are to believe that Buhari's tweets were deleted because it was reported enmass, does it mean any and all tweets should also be deleted if such tweets also get mass reported? Bear in mind that there is skewness in representation on social media and it doesn’t necessarily represent the mood of the whole country. This is why Atiku won all the polls on social media and still lost the election.

So I ask again, who determines what constitutes free speech or an abuse of free speech? If my comments sit right with a lot of people, does it make my comments fair? You talked about how free speech entails respecting people’s religions, but some religions frowns upon and even criminalizes some acts like sodomy and abortion, if I speak against them and you get me banned for abuse of free speech on Twitter, are you not impeding on my religious beliefs? Make it make sense.

jaxxy:
LGBT are humans with rights like u, u can have have a civil discussion with them bt not hate on or attack them because they are LGBT, u don’t have a right to hurt/harm other people’s rights.

Do u understand this fact?

It’s like someone attacking sm1 else’s religion say Islam or Christianity online because u are opposed to it? Racism and extreme tribal bigotry, online bullying. We get away with some of these things mosttimes bt they are very wrong. Twitter is balancing that. These expressions are abuse of free speech not free speech.

U have to respect other people’s rights while enjoying ur rights. This is very simple.

I have nothing against LGBT. I am just pointing out that free speech is a myth. It doesn't exist. By the way, there are already advocates for pedophilia and bestiality seeking to recognize these acts as rights too. Big tech may succumb tomorrow and then proceed to impose the recognition of these acts as human rights while banning and barring all with opposing views from their platform. That is mind control if you ask me. It also throws the room open for bias. Just as Jack concluded that EndSars protesters are activists and capitol hill protesters are terrorists.

jaxxy:
Don’t people understand when people’s statements cross the line of civility to the danger zone? Free speech doesn’t mean abused behavior and dangerous statements.

Trump was wrong and Buhari was wrong. Trumps tweets had been deleted many times b4. He was only banned when his called for rally ended in the deadly invasion of Capitol Hill.

Let’s not confuse issues and objectives here. It is oppressive to attack twitter which is a means of free speech online. How it is balanced may be a question to resolve.

Twitter is not a means of "free speech". If you doubt me, make any anti-LGBT comments on Twitter and see if your comments would not be deleted and your accounts probably banned. Matter of fact, people have lost their jobs because of such comments. Freedom of speech is not absolute, it is dependent on the leanings of the regulators of whatever platform such comments are made.

Ladyhippolyta88:
74 million voted for the idiot not 76 million.

Big Tech regulates itself and I am in support of regulations too.Trump's freedom of speech does not include lying,spreading hate and violence he crossed the line and was rightly banned.

Did any Nigerian protester attack the national.
assembly or said they would hang the VP.Trump supporters took weapons,Guillotine to hang Mike Pence and planned to kill which Nigerian protester did that?

Your comparisons make no sense you are talking out of point and it was 12 million votes against Buhari not 11 million

Big tech regulates itself meaning they are the alpha and omega now? Classic New World Order style. EndSars protesters never attacked the national assembly but they camped at Alausa and blocked Lekki tollgate for weeks, denying other Nigerians of free movement while claiming to be fighting for their kid's future. In Abuja, they even camped outside the CBN headquarters before they were dispersed, probably would have set it on fire if allowed. All the while, being supported by Jack with specialized emojis, blue ticks, bitcoins and manipulated trends. Which is worse? When did Twitter, a mere platform become an NGO or civil society organization to have an opinion on a sovereign country's politics?

Even if 13 million voted against Buhari, bottom line is that it isn't more significant than the 15 million that voted for him. The election was litigated right up to the level of the supreme court and Buhari was adjudged to have won the election. What better form of legitimacy does he need beyond that?

Tweeting is not in the Nigerian constitution and the government has not obstructed your rights by suspending Twitter. Twitter is simply a business outfit interfering in the country's politics. Why is Ko*o, the new social media platform not approved in America as at now? Why was Huawei banned in America and all American companies barred from transacting with them?

We are not house n*ggers!

Kriss216:
No sane person would befriend a frail looking vegetable!

Let's keep it a hundred, Buhari looks more regal and healthier in all these pictures and has remained largely unchanged despite the fact that the pictures were taken 15 years ago. No wonder some pained people cannot believe he is still the same Buhari, they call him Jibrin.

AGNESikpuNNU:
It takes only an administration that has outlived it's usefulness to warrant "fact checks" for every of it's activities. Bunch of crooked no-gooders.

So it is not the fault of the fake news purveyors who are hell bent on plunging the country into war through outright lies, but it is the fault of Buhari who you feel has outlived his usefulness just because he is a fulani man? Keep digging the hole.

SweetiliciousD:
If Trump was good and epitome of fair play and social equity, why was he booted out of office?

Birds of the same feather flock together. Light begets light and vice versa.

Watch it, the extinction of unpopular government is nearer than you think.

Where Trump is in US politics today, same place shall his political friend in Nigeria be.

This I have seen!

Technically he wasn't booted out of office. He got 76 million real life voters while the current President got 81 million votes, majority of which are mailed in ballots. His only failing was refusing to graciously bow out.

FarahAideed:
Trump doesn't understand that NIGERIAs situation is different ..we are facing brazen satanic tyranny here ..Trump should run his Marlago resort in peace and stop enabling and fulani tyrant..this news is even fake

Stop living in denial. The news is straight from Donald Trump's official website. I know you're disappointed.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/statement-by-donald-j-trump-45th-president-of-the-united-states-of-america-06.08..21-02

Ladyhippolyta88:
Thank God that America as a nation has strong institutions that were able to limit the excesses of the twice impeached orange man if not he would have done the same to America when Twitter permanently sent him to the oblivion of irrelevance.

If only Nigeria had strong institutions too to limit the excesses of dictators.


Thank God 81 million Americans removed that sick man from office.The orange head needs big tech more than big tech needs him,no wonder he had to end his blog because he couldn't get the attention he had on Twitter and tried to enter Twitter again last month and Jack banned the account again.

Like Trump like Buhari that is why I am amazed that people support Trump then hate Buhari they are the same thing the only difference is that America had strong institutions to curtail him which Nigeria unfortunately doesn't have

So who will regulate the regulators or could big tech be the much talked about New World Order?

You talked about strong institutions but Jack and Zuckerberg singlehandedly banned Trump from their platforms without giving a second thought to his freedom of speech.

81 million Americans removed Trump but you fail to consider the fact that 76 million Americans voted to keep him in power. Ironically, you forget that 15 million Nigerians voted to keep Buhari in power as against the 11 million that voted against him. You support insurrectionists that want to protest Buhari out of power but Capitol Hill protesters are terrorists? America is always right but whatever Nigeria does under Buhari is wrong? We are not house n*ggers!

Cammo:
Just 100 or you just said that as a round figure?

By the way, Twitter ban may be lifted after June 12. That's the main plan. The Fulani administration doesn't want to be dragged in the mud again like they did during End Sars.
This is not democracy.

You didn't drag the administration in the mud. You dragged your region into misery because the truth is that EndSars never really ended in the East. The indiscriminate killing of Policemen that has continued unabated in that region is one of the legacies of EndSars.

Lordbinsmar:
I'm not a Biafran nor an Ipob, but why will a wicked ruler ban freedom of speech and expression and stupid people like you keep cheering him? don't you see more value to your life apart from 30k that you receive every month?

Going by your logic, should we conclude that Twitter has been depriving Trump of his freedom of speech and expression? Twitter cannot be allowed to run parallel governance in Nigeria by interfering in our affairs (creating special EndSars emojis and donating bitcoins to insurrectionists) and displaying bias or selective censoring a la Nnamdi Kanu.

Especially when we all know the same energy will not be maintained when their homeland is threatened, as we saw during the Capitol Hill saga. Till today, the FBI is still searching for participants of capitol hill protest with financial rewards attached. Nigeria is not a banana republic.

WoundedLamb:
For me, the issue is not whether Twitter was right or wrong for deleting the president's tweets. The issue is that in a bid to get back at Twitter, the president dragged the entire nation into it. Twitter deleted his tweets and he's moving to block the entire nation of about 200 million people from accessing the app without VPN as if the country is his personal property and the opinion of the people doesn't matter. Even the people praising him for this are also caught up in the middle and what shouldn't even concern them cause he'll only end up stressing everyone, the organization and his citizens alike.

Entire nation indeed. There are less than 3 million users of Twitter in Nigeria. No wonder you people erroneously think trends that are usually promoted by paid influencers reflect the mood of all Nigerians.

This thread will never find its way to the frontpage. That is all the confirmation you need that the moderators are biased.

orikoku:
They won't listen. This will soon consume the FG

Has the 13 years of insurgency in 6 states of the Northeast consumed the FG? Sambisa forest alone is bigger than the entire Southeast, so do the maths. It consumed the people of the Northeast though and turned affluent people to refugees. So expect the same. Even Biafran war was fought in the East, the rest of Nigeria was largely fine. As a matter of fact, Gowon built the Kainji Dam and other monumental projects during the war. It didn't consume the government.

InaNla:
Nigeria is becoming a failed state. No one else to blame but the supersonic divisive bigot in aso rock. 5% vs 97%.

Okay, after blaming him, what next? Are you trying to convince electorates not to vote him again in 2023? News Flash: He will not be on the ballot and APC is still poised to win the next presidential election. ESN and UGM ain't going anywhere though, they are here to stay and it will be downhill from here onwards. Boko haram has not affected you in the South, what makes you think UGM is affecting the others across the Niger? Who is the biggest looser?

InaNla:
Nigeria is gradually sliding into complete state of anarchy.


This should be condemn in a way, same way northerners hailed and praised boko haram at the initial stage.


APC & buhari promised security and justice but failed woefully. Shame!

Point of correction, South East is gradually sliding into complete state of anarchy. If you think you are doing this to get Buhari's attention, then you will be disappointed. You burn down your father's house, kill your brothers in uniform and turn back around to blame Buhari.

Maiduguri and other Northeastern States have been facing insurgency for over 13 years now and over 20,000 people have died, but I am sure you do not know anyone that knows anyone that have died from the insurgency.

My point is ; you can turn your fathers and mothers into internally displaced persons if you like, the rest of the country will only sympathize with you from afar.

It is glaring that IPOB's strategy is to sacrifice the Igbos staying in the North to achieve Biafra. Very dumb move especially when it is a fact that there are more Igbos staying in the North than northerners in the East. An average Northerner prefers life in the North because life is simpler. I can't say the same for the average easterner though. Those who find themselves in the North never return back to the East on their own volition because Northerners are even more hospitable than their brothers.

On another note, by next year we will see how serious the new found romance between the East and the West is when the real dynamics of 2023 begin to play out. The North are not interested in keeping power beyond 2023 but heads or tail, they can never lose out. Until then, the North will continue to play the long game while the Easterners turn their region into Maiduguri and their people into IDPs.

In the meantime, commenters like the one above me should continue to fool themselves with parody accounts. The vulture is a patient bird.

GreyLaw:
And you comfortably ignored the pertinent points raised by the person you quoted. Let me rephrase, how can a whole chief of army staff die in active duty and the president of the country not pay him his last rites? In serious countries I know how it's done. I also believe you know how it's done but you choose to turn a blind eye, like your president!

Show me any Nigerian President dead or alive that has attended an Islamic burial taking place within 24 hours of death of the individual and we can continue this conversation. Don't run away, don't pontificate and don't gaslight, jusy drop a link or evidence of this. I'll wait.

You may not believe it but from the moment an individual wins the ticket of a major political party, you become a property of the State and your security does not lie in your hands. Unless you choose to be Idris Deby.

Thegracefulness:
Nigeria would always cause me laughter.

I’ve still not understood the reasons anybody is paying this man a visit. Buhari did not lose ex-COAS Attahiru.

His family and friends did. I believe if he was so important to Buhari, Buhari would have surely paid him his last rites. Sentiments and politics aside.

Soldiers are personal properties of the State, sworn to die in service to the country. A loss of a soldier is a loss to the nation. Thank a soldier whenever you come across one. For your tomorrow, they give their today.

ImpactCrater:
one thing I know with absolute certainty is that an igbo man can never ever commit suicide!

so I will be looking for an alternative explanation to this badly reported news item.

Story. When Nnamdi Kanu instructed them to attack Police stations with nothing but cutlasses and hammers with a piece of rope tied around their waist in the form of Juju, what would you call that? Continue to live in denial.

Romanoff:
Southerners value their lives. This is no Southerner.

Lol. You lots underestimate the power of brainwashing. Remember the thread below? You can't claim you weren't warned.

https://www.nairaland.com/6556346/nnamdi-kanu-suggests-jim-jones

PVision2020:
Script 1: "Mr Agbeeze said when the shooting
began, “someone beside him was shot
and when he tried to help him a military
man dressed in full military man shot
me in my chest.”
“I immediately ran then I discovered that
everywhere was dark and asked myself
where am I running to?”

Script 2: Mr Sanusi said that at about 6:30 p.m.,
he heard gunshots and saw people
running towards Oriental Hotel.
“I saw men of the Nigerian army. Later
when they said we should sit on the
floor, I saw a military man and I saw
protesters carrying lifeless bodies to the
military men’s feet,” he said.

This must be Yoruba movie script....lol

You forgot the part where the Army shot him in the chest with an AK47 and he began to run until he asked himself where was he running to?

Bullets from an AK47 shot from less than 100 meters is capable of killing 3 people if they were all standing behind each other. Clowns everywhere.