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joshboo:
Ogbeni stop this cap.. The only reason why the suns are balling this season is cos of cp3, they'll have still been a mediocre team at best, he's brought that toughness, leadership n winning mentality to the team, So becos they went on a 7-0 run that meant they'll ball with how most teams got strengthend? Make it make sense na haba. The argument for cp3 being a better floor general is actually the truth, Steph is obviously the better scorer, between many greats see him as more of an SG. As for those slamming him about his time with the clips that team was one of the most unlucky teams in NBA history asides in 2014 in which the organization had internal issues with the racist comments from one of their top officials they always had one key injury or the other which obviously affected them badly. If cp3 had teamed up with kobe then obviously we won't be having this convo about his rings too. But we all know how special he was that the NBA had to twart that deal ever coming through.

" A point guard, like other player positions in basketball, specializes in certain skills. Their primary job is to facilitate scoring opportunities for their team, or sometimes for themselves. Lee Rose has described a point guard as a coach on the floor, who can handle and distribute the ball to teammates"
This is the primary jab of a PG. Steph changed the game in terms of being an "effective" volume shooter but abeg in terms of facilitating he dosent come close to Cp3. How many players not named LeBron James currently could have done what he did with okc last season?

The suns just clinched their first playoff spot since 2010 and some people still dey mis cap... Nawa

"I have to prove what?"

Jose Mourinho after winning the 2005 League Cup with Chelsea, his first trophy in English football. pic.twitter.com/ZuXRAiegS1

— Sky Sports Retro (@SkySportsRetro) April 25, 2021

Illimitable:
This lad lies for a living.

How did Chelsea nudge it if Arsenal were the favorites? Don’t you know the meaning of favorites? I even sent you a graph gotten from betoffering UK - highlighting where the bookies favorites have finished since 2003/4 and you are still lying that Chelsea nudged the favorite?

Don’t you get tired of lying? That was also how you lied that Mourinho bought Cech and Robben. You lied Chelsea were the favorites and still lying they were the favorites when Arsenal were outrightly the favorites. If Arsenal were the favorites, how did anyone then expect Jose to win it?

I hate debating with liars. You aren’t the first I would catch in a lie though. Nigerians must lie to sway a debate when cornered. You cannot prove Chelsea were the favorites apart from the useless link from PaddyPower that quickly changed when Arsenal won their first 5 league games and kept their unbeaten run going before the Pizzagate at Old Trafford.

benji93:
If i remember correctly you once mentioned that you were going to graduate school. If you were the one, i would have to say i am quite disappointed. I suppose you had been waiting for the team to lose so you can pick on the man. You waited for days to find something to say. You made a claim that CP3 makes his teammates better but yet he couldn't wield that Clippers team to the conference finals. What does a talented team need if not the floor general himself?
I don't know how you would argue CP3 vs Curry, despite the fact that the man just wasn't the "makes everybody better floor general" at LA clippers. The argument is simply who's more impactful, not who's a better floor general. We must not all impact the game in the same way. If your floor coordination was so impactful, how about you get a team to the conference final? Besides, we both know when it comes to stars we look at both the titles and stats. I don't know how Robert horry and Green came into this. Those men we never talk about what they are not. The point was if he's the "makes everybody better floor general" that you call him, then a conference final shouldn't be impossible.

Illimitable:
Look at you moving the goalpost again. After banging your chest several times that Chelsea were favorites to win the PL, you are now saying it’s between Chelsea and Arsenal.

There can only be one favorite to win the PL and Arsenal were the outright favorites to win it after completing their invincible season.

These are the PL season’s outright favorites from 2003/4 to 2019/20. The link you showed is one bookie out of about 20 bookies in the country.

Like I said, no general consensus gave Mourinho any chance when he arrived, Arsenal were the out and out favorites to win the PL after completing the 03/04 season unbeaten.

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Illimitable:
Nobody gave Chelsea a chance under Mourinho. Arsenal were the title favorites, followed by United and Chelsea were 3rd favorites. Mourinho was not expected to win the PL title on his debut.

Robben and Cech transfers were completed even before Mourinho joined. Ranieri signed those players but they didn’t move to Chelsea until Jose arrived in June 2004.




That’s simply not true.
Bookmakers had Arsenal as favorites, United as 2nd(Fergie always won after finishing 2nd) and Chelsea(3rd favorites). If Mourinho was the media favorite, why would he go to war with the British media that year?

The media were against him immediately after the “special one” presser. They kept writing negative stories about him and his players. I remember him shushing Liverpool fans in the carling cup final and he was sent off.
He apologized later that he wasn’t referring to the Liverpool fans but the British media who have been writing negative shit about him all season.

He wasn’t supposed to win, he wasn’t expected to win. The hype came after he won and broke the English record with 95 points.

Illimitable:
They got players under Ranieri - how come he didn’t win the league? Roman arrived when Ranieri was manager and they had bought Crespo, Duff, Veron, Makelele, Geremi, Joe Cole, Wayne Bridge, Glen Johnson, Smertin, Mutu.

Chelsea already had Lampard, Terry, Pettit, Gallas, etc - already bought by Ranieri in the previous years. So it’s a reach to say Mourinho was expected to win. Arsenal had just completed their invincible season as well and many thought they would repeat their PL victory. No one gave Chelsea any chance - Mourinho won against all odds.

Illimitable:
How were Chelsea supposed to beat Liverpool? Were Chelsea also supposed to beat Fergie’s Man Utd over 2 legs in the semifinal or you think Chelsea didn’t go through hell to get into the final?

Anytime Jose wins, people always say he’s supposed to win. I bet he was also expected to win CL with Porto or Inter. The revisionism in this place is hilarious. Mourinho wasn’t supposed to succeed in England. The media hounded him ever since his first presser when they thought he said he was the special one.


Every victory Chelsea got in 2004/5 was earned by sweats and blood.

raumdeuter:
Jose lost the UEFA Super cup 2003 to Ancelotti
Jose lost the UEFA super cup 2013 to Guardiola
Jose lost the UEFA super cup 2017 to Zidane
Jose lost the FA cup 2018 to Cuntay

Illimitable:
The revisionism in this post is laughable.

Carling Cup finals are played earlier. No one plays fringe players in February with 1/3 of the season left to complete.

The idea that Mourinho was expected to win all those carling cup trophies is also flawed. In 2005, he beat Alex Ferguson over 2 legs in the semifinal before beating Benitez in the final. How is he expected to win those feisty games?

In 2015, he also beat Klopp’s Liverpool over 2 legs in the semis before facing Spurs. How’s he favorites to win those when Klopp was his nemesis even as a Madrid manager.

In 2017, he clobbered Pep in the round of 16 in a one off game that no one expected him to win considering Pep had beaten him in a league game at Old Trafford.

Roland17:
I can’t stop talking about Finney Smith.. One of my favorite players in the league. Defense won it for the Lakers.. AD will be ok..

benji93:
Common sit down and listen. He got injured, but well he had another opportunity the following year to get past Curry, but he choked while playing alongside, Harden. KD was out of the picture, so it was a fair match-up, some might even say Houston was better with another shooter in Eric Pascal. But of course, CP3 couldn't help himself. Besides, stop digressing, we are not talking about who's better as a traditional floor general. The discussion was about whose style is more impactful.

Illimitable:
The “5th in the league” Liverpool won the Champions league that same season by beating Mourinho’s Chelsea in the semifinal.

You people often forget that many managers rest players for the priority competition at the expense of the league position. Benitez concentrated his effort on the CL and played fringe players in the league. His final league position proved to be irrelevant as Liverpool qualified automatically for the next CL by the virtue of winning it.

Mourinho used the same strategy in 16/17 when he gave up on the league games and concentrated fully on Europa games. He took a very weak 11 to Tottenham and Arsenal to preserve the big players for Europa. He won it and United finished 6th.

timbros:
So what does thus your comment imply? Because it sounds contradictory.

"going far in the WC" means he merited it. "FIFA corruption" means he didn't deserve it.

timbros:
All this shalaye is not needed bros. It's a World Cup year, according to you guys. Who had a better world cup, Messi or Sneijder?

I don't like twisting words. Someone said why Ronaldo should win Ballon D'or 2018 and you easy brushed Ronaldo's achievement that year because "it is world cup year". Why don't you use the world cup to judge Messi vs Sneijder in 2010.

If it was Barcelona that won the treble in 2010,will you call it collective team effort?

benji93:
I beg komot for there. Maybe CP3 should study Steph more and get a ring. . They impact the game differently. At most double team? Now i know you don't watch the games. Besides, by draw i was also referring to attention. You could sometimes see the whole team focusing on the man.

benji93:
Bullshit. The stats say otherwise. They would probably be worse. CP3 may be the epitome of floor coordination, but let me put this out there, the situation Curry consistently creates by drawing, in some cases all 5 players of the opposition to himself is as effective as floor coordination if not more. Besides curry missed about 7 games at a point during the season, and the team was 1 of 7 in those games. I assume you were looking past that. First of all this team will likely be at the very bottom cos CP3 will need to bring a lot of points to the table. Are you talking about a team whose starter, Oubre was terrible early on? or a team whose center is a rookie and injured? or the fact that even Wiggins who is averaging 18 points per game scores most of his points when they are meaningless. I would rather not talk about Draymond green, the triple single master with 6.7 points, who missed some games early on too. Stop talking as if all you look at are certain aspects of the box score. Look at the minutes, games played, and the contribution of the starters. Go and look at the stats sheet of OKC last season and check the production of the starters. Some may assume that perhaps CP3 made them better, but that's hard to argue cos the only guy that fared worse Danilo Gallinari, dropping from 18.7 points to 13.4 points this year also has his minutes average reduced from 30 to 24, so it's not quite clear. So please you can praise CP3 for all his floor commanding abilities but opining that he would do better with this GSW team is something else.

Illimitable:
Which team would have beaten him in the years described? The Liverpool team he beat in 2005 Carling Cup final went on to disgrace AC Milan in the CL-final & they won it.

The same team ousted Mourinho’s team in the semis with the ghost goal at Anfield. The ball never crossed the line but Luis Garcia wheeled away in celebration and conned the referee.

In 2017, Mourinho beat Pep’s City on his way to win the competition. A lot of people forget about this detail because they only focus on which teams he faced in the final.

Sacking him before the cup final can be explained in many ways. One of them would be the severance package would be more had Mourinho won a cup for Spurs - so Levy quickly truncated the process and sacrificed the cup for millions of pounds sterling.

It would be stupid of Levy to think Mourinho couldn’t have won it considering he’s never lost a Carling cup final in England. He’s got 100% win percentage in that particular competition.

There’s also a hidden trivia that Mourinho is the only manager on the planet that has ever beaten Pep Guardiola in a final. These two pointers are stacked behind Mourinho and I am sure Levy knew this. Levy was expecting ESL money and he was happy to sack Mourinho thinking JP Morgan Chase would wire some stacks to him.

In the end, he lost the best manager on the planet, he lost whatever amount he paid Mourinho for sacking him and the ESL money is not coming. Levy must pay £8m to Florentino Perez for breaching the contract he signed when he joined ESL.

Levy’s loss.

elampiro:
Are you now a member of the inner circle? :

steady986:
[s]When James Harden was lighting up the league in 18/19 nobody was shouting MVP (except me of course, my receipts are here ). Man literally went 32 games scoring at least 30, averaging 41 in the process. But here we are with Curry going on an 11-game streak scoring 30 and his shameless fanboys are screaming MVP. Not to even add to the fact that he's languishing in 9th position. In 18/19 Harden finished 4th with a record if 53-29, just 4 games behind 1st placed Warriors.

That was the biggest robbery in the history of this game. Las las this game na about love and hate. Harden isn't as loved as Curry. If it were Curry that had those numbers in 18/19 he's winning the MVP straight up. Fans don't like Harden, and that's just the plain truth.[/s]

birdman:
. Una see unaself? Is it ok to now revisit CP3 being a much better floor general than Curry will ever be? CP3 on the warriors team will be in the playoffs right now, bank on it! True, he will never be the lights out shooter Curry is, but he has more impact imo. Not only in terms of bball IQ, but leading the troops to war. The way the Suns win games is the way OKC was wining games last year

Father protect me from the arrows of the alacurrys. Back to sender

ThierryJay:
Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd have announced that they'd pull out of the Super League following backlash from fans. Barcelona as well is likely to pull out.

Sorry Perez, the dream couldn't even last for 2 days.

raumdeuter:
Its quite complicated, I wanted Hansi to stay because he has been succesful and also because I dont think Naggelsman is ready yet

birdman:
A40 I told yall the Heat are a clear and present danger for Nets

Lana1:
Riiiiight!

Spurs that just got to a UCL final hired Mourinho to come and win Carabao cup for them.

These Mourinho fans are running desperate

Illimitable:
Who would sack their manager 6 days before a cup final because of results?? A competition he’s never lost in the final.

Jose has won Carling Cup 4 times with 100% record in the final.

2005
2007
2015
2017

If there’s any manager that can beat Pep in a final, it’s Jose. Copa del Rey in Spain is a stark reminder of that.

He was sacked because of the ESL issue. Where did Levy suddenly find the £35m severance package to pay Jose?

TrebleChamp:
Bayern Munich will offer Mourinho the chance to be their Manager at the end of this season. Mourinho did not support the idea of a ESL, and personally told Daniel Levy is thought on the matter according to inside source..

Jodera:
Be honest..
Will Liverpool sack klopp like that or man city sack guardiola such way?

MRTA7:
Jose's PR team really worth their money. They already have some believing he was sacked for opposing the ESL.

Illimitable:
Mourinho got sacked because he spoke against the European Super League?

What a hero!!!

Fergie has spoken against it.
Neville has spoken against it.

Will the Norwegian fraud speak against it or keep mum to keep his job?

Time will tell.