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PoliticsRe: Bandits Attack President Buhari's Convoy In Katsina, Two Injured by AreaFada2: 1:17am On Jul 06, 2022
Vistra40:
See how your APC government has failed?
Just wait.

He will soon blame Patience Jonathan for it.

What Gov. Ortom said on Channels TV is looking quite possible now.
CultureRe: Evolution Of Ohali Royal Stool by AreaFada2: 6:31pm On Jul 05, 2022
Interesting!
Christianity EtcRe: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by AreaFada2: 1:58pm On Jul 04, 2022
Hotfreezer:
It takes a lot of balls for a beneficiary of tithing to do this.
Yep! You are correct. I have said that tithing as preached by MoGs today is wrong.

I commend his courage to finally admit.
PoliticsRe: Wike Shuns Atiku’s Emissary In Turkey by AreaFada2: 1:25pm On Jul 02, 2022
helinues:
Wike means business with Atiku..

But truth be told, Atiku never did any wrong to Wike or?
Whatever he did or did not do is nothing any 9ja politician would not do.
Wike wanted to be candidate but he would have had no chance of winning. He is a courageous guy but not a politician. Good politicians by nature are slimeball hypocrites.
You cannot be honest and outspoken and expect people to vote for you. Most people have gargantuan but fragile egos that need massaging. They have to be lied to in order to feel good. That's the real human nature that we don't like to admit. Good politicians (usually horrible human beings by and large) have mastered the art.

Wike has offended SE and the North with his utterances over the years. Tinubu will already reduce his chances in SW. Delivering Rivers won't be enough considering votes PDP would haemorrhage in the North and SE with Wike as VP.
HealthRe: Help: What Food Can Help Me Regain Back My Strength? by AreaFada2: 11:27pm On Jun 29, 2022
Kingzeez10:
12 years!!!
I'm telling you. The real MVP in that discipline. cheesy grin

OP, ensure that your physical health is fine first. See a doc. Don't assume that that activity is the only the cause. Ensure that mentally guilt is not taking its toll on you.

Then just eat healthily. You don't have to be fat to be healthy. Balanced diet with enough fruits and veg. Drink enough water and sleep well.
CareerRe: What Childhood Dream Did You Have? by AreaFada2: 6:15pm On Jun 29, 2022
OlawaleBammie:
All of the above, even me if i have the strength i wil farm it grin

Tho u can hardly see cocoa at road side, but believe me cocoa are bn farmed like crazy
Lol. Search for the strength o. grin cheesy
Yeah, cocoa is a big commitment. Years of work before fruiting and committing piece of land for decades.
CareerRe: What Childhood Dream Did You Have? by AreaFada2: 6:04pm On Jun 29, 2022
OlawaleBammie:
no external body gives all those stuff again, even government dont do that.

Plantain and banga are surging up but cocoa is still very much in the market.

All the SW states aparr from lagos produces cocoa, then edo, part of delta, akwa ibom are all producing environment.
Who still plant cocoa in Edo right now? Young people or elderly people planting to replace dying old trees or commercial big farmers?

You see palm plantations almost on every road outside the big towns but you hardly see cocoa farms. Anyway, cocoa is far more selective in terms of soil quality, soil drainage and soil type than oil palm.
CareerRe: What Childhood Dream Did You Have? by AreaFada2: 5:59pm On Jun 29, 2022
Onariii:
Lol e shock u grin
Abi o.
More muscle to your gbolicious gbola though. grin cheesy
CareerRe: What Childhood Dream Did You Have? by AreaFada2: 5:47pm On Jun 29, 2022
Onariii:
Na sailor abi captain be my dream dat time, unfortunately I be pressing boy but I hv no regret currently gathering money 4 my generation my dreams are to father many children...22 atleast
shocked shocked shocked shocked
CareerRe: What Childhood Dream Did You Have? by AreaFada2: 5:45pm On Jun 29, 2022
OlawaleBammie:
Ofcourse yes

Ovia southwest

Normally it also skyrocketed just like the price of other commodities na. Around 2013 it was bn sold for around #300,#320 per kilo, wen i started learning the trade in 2019, a kilo of cocoa was sold for #580, #600 per kilo, by 2020 main crop, it was selling for
1040 per kilo before it dropped to 850 per kilo by the turn of 2021, main crop for 2021 was selling for 1200 per kilo till around February this year before it dropped down to #950, #1000 this present moment.

harvest season for cocoa is two tyms in a year, the main crop (September to December) and the light crop (April to july)
Oh great. Thanks. Are there now good modern cocoa breeds that start fruiting earlier than in the past?

Does the govt or co-operatives still provide fungicides and other chemicals to prevent cocoa diseases? We need to be producing more cocoa like in the 1950 to the 1980s. It's like oil palm and plantain plantations overtook cocoa production in recent years.
CareerRe: What Childhood Dream Did You Have? by AreaFada2: 5:09pm On Jun 29, 2022
OlawaleBammie:
Benin
Oh, so there are many cocoa farmers in Edo State? Which local government areas do you buy cocoa from in the State? How is cocoa price this compared to the past few years? Cocoa harvest season is really from around October, peaking in November/December.
CareerRe: What Childhood Dream Did You Have? by AreaFada2: 3:14pm On Jun 29, 2022
OlawaleBammie:
Childhood nightmare:-Meteorologist/medical doctor


Adulthood Dreamland:- Cocoa buyer grin
Good. You are still healing cocoa farmers' pockets. grin cheesy

Where in 9ja?
Nairaland GeneralRe: Help! I'm Too Nice And People Are Taking Advantage Of My Niceness. by AreaFada2: 9:36am On Jun 29, 2022
Travicon:
Hello Nairalanders,
I will try as much as possible to make the write-up short.

I am a 21years old guy at a Russian university with two Nigerian roommates (In the hostel though). We averagely get the same amount of money as an allowance monthly, but mine always finishes first.

Whenever people talk about their problems, I always feel for them to the extent of giving out my money even if it's the last cash on me. I have never had a girlfriend, but I don't always have the strength to reject if a girl asks for airtime or money from me (including my mum and sisters though)

I always try to go to any length to see people happy even if it means borrowing money from another person for them. I'm that foolish. Generally, I'm too soft-hearted and nice but I don't know how to solve this problem. Someone advised me I should get a girlfriend who should always be angry with me if I'm being too nice to people and that will help me solve the problem to some extent but I think it won't.
I NEED genuine HELP, please.
Being nice is a good thing but try to quickly learn who deserves it. Give everyone benefit of the doubt in the beginning but always quickly study their moral fibre. Very quickly settle how to settle expenses for running the household equally. Never lend any amount of money you can't very easily forget about.

In reality, aside God and your parents, nobody send you until proven otherwise.
PoliticsRe: How Bola Tinubu Commissioned Four Teams To Find His Certificates by AreaFada2: 9:15pm On Jun 28, 2022
Na wa o. These committee people should be carefully o. Because Bobo can "Afikuyomize" them a few years down the line for forging his certificates. shocked shocked
FoodRe: The 200 Naira Suya Meat I Bought today In Birnin Kebbi (photos) by AreaFada2: 6:04pm On Jun 28, 2022
This is diet suya! grin cheesy

By the time Buhari is done with 9ja, everybody will have long neck when comedian "I go Dye" as an upcoming joke man.

Zone Bs necks will be like giraffe own. grin cheesy
CrimeRe: Photos Of The Bus Conductor Killed By Herdsmen In Lagos & Their Dead Cow by AreaFada2:
eminikansoso:
[b]It is time the youths and the lovers of this nation stand up [/b]and say no to this nonsense.
How can a minor tribe in this 21st century feel superior over the other tribes just because they feel their brother was commander in chief.
Dude, don't dull yourself. Nobody loves this country. You may love your family, your hood, your village, some cities you have lived in, the babe from another tribe you dated, etc. But don't mistake it for loving 9ja.

The taste of the pudding is in the eating. Don't believe those politicians who profess fake love. They know better and stash money abroad. They will bail out when trouble starts. Their families are already settled abroad.

Those who once loved 9ja have been forced to unlove it. Many saw that 9ja is now a carcass and those opportune just carve out as much meat as they can. Many who don't want to be a party to it or no chance to carve japa given a chance.
PoliticsRe: Femi Fani-kayode: Senator Ekweremadu And An Evil Soul Called David by AreaFada2: 4:49pm On Jun 26, 2022
SarkinYarki:
FFK be careful and stop roping your friend further in ...I hope FFK knows that the UK govt considers materially inducing anyone to donate organ a crime ?
If as a UK educated lawyer he doesn't know, then he is a total fool.
EducationRe: My School Receipt In 1989 by AreaFada2: 4:41pm On Jun 26, 2022
madjune:
I keep saying it, it was Babangida that destroyed the Nigerian economy.

Nigeria was perfectly fine in 1985, before he came in.

I remember going to school with 30 kobo coins in my pocket and will use it for almost a week.

This man came in, borrowed IMF loan from world Bank, started changing the currency and coins and since then, it's been a free fall for the Naira.

Funny thing is, the average youth here knows nothing about this.

Our elders say, "If you don't know where the rain began to beat you, you may never know where it stops..."
Well, Buhari's lack of road map to democracy and lack of ideas led to his boys kicking him out. To begin with, he overthrew our democracy. Had we continued to experiment with democracy since 1983, we might have got somewhere. Only idiots want to tell us that he knew nothing about the coup. Trying to sort out the mess of Buhari's govt led the rather dimwit, shady and clever by half IBB to follow IMF policies that are never meant to help developing countries. In 9ja where being a criminal is called smartness, they called him Maradona.

While IBB was idiotically doing Maradona, Rawlings was putting Ghana on the right track, leaders of China, Malaysia and Singapore were seriously growing their economy.

Today, it is clear that IBB was and remains a very useless thief.
PoliticsRe: 2023: Some ‘Unknown Persons’ Stole My Academic Certificates - Tinubu Tells INEC by AreaFada2: 12:31pm On Jun 26, 2022
MrBlock:
Let's see how many of you here would still have your primary and secondary school certificates 40 years from now.
At least the school you attended should be able to confirm them. No classmates at CGI or primary? Femi Arabisala who was at GCI same period denied ever seeing Tinubu there. He doesn't have old students association members he was there with?

We all understand Tinubu's dilemma. A lot of people back then reduced age or used other people's details for further education. One reason why there are so many people called "Tokunbo", for example. Most foreign born kids were brought back to 9ja in those days after their parents completed all their studies abroad. Papers of foreign born kids were used by several other people to travel abroad. Even me that is far younger than Tinubu, I had many foreign born kids and mixed race people in my hood. Anyone who grew up around universities back then will attest to it. Because many returning became lecturers or medics in teaching hospitals, etc.

Not saying Tinubu did same but just giving an example.

Tinubu is clearly an intelligent man who went to school. But his age and name in those school certificates probably don't match his current one.

The president is the Chief Law Officer of the Country. Attorney General performs that role on his behalf for legal expertise needed. Any Bill from the parliament/NASS not bearing President's signature is not law yet. Should such a person who committed perjury at various times become a president? An affidavit is a legal document and telling lies in it is a crime of perjury. If we want to restore 9ja, let's start with simple honesty from our leaders and ourselves. We must start adhering to at least the minimum standards.
FamilyRe: Most Nigerian Parents And Their Poor Child Spacing! A Must Read!!! by AreaFada2:
SpecialAdviser:
I am a married man and except you get married you may not understand very well. A lot of kids come through accidental discharge.

In fact my second kid was not planned. I was using withdrawal method and even avoiding ovulation time but lol, didn't work. Even condom may not always be available. So also susctible to failure. Lol

Oyibo people would call that unwanted pregnancy and abort it but we Nigerians have conscience. Even family planning also fail these days. My brother nobody will intentionally space his kids for just 1 year. Impossible
Oga very poor excuse. There are some people on this forum who know one or two things about these things. Many are also parents who have successfully done family planning. Bolded shows that you did it half-heartedly.

If used correctly, contraception can be effective. Select your method well with your clinician. Failure rate is low when family planning is done properly and COMPLIED with. Withdrawal or condom that is not available sometimes is not contraception. What happened to IUD? shocked shocked

When knackaton dey hungry you seriously, do you really care about ovulation or no ovulation? Talk true. grin cheesy

You talk of conscience when about 1.25 million abortions take place every year in 9ja. Same 9ja that new born babies are found floating in gutters and refuse dumps across 9ja?

Which part of healthcare sector did you work in oyinbo land to know how oyinbo do abortions without conscience? shocked shocked


Fact is that too many people are poor in 9ja and even some average people are too ignorant about family planning. Then religiosity that is misapplied instead of common sense.

Too many people have too many kids they can't care for (not referring to you) and that govt has no will or desire to plan for. Disastrous as we can see with Boko recruits, bandits, kidnappers, street kids, common criminals, etc.
PoliticsRe: 2023: Tinubu Is My Preferred Successor - Buhari by AreaFada2: 3:05pm On Jun 21, 2022
Built2last:
Take note, the question was posed by a foreign media.

Buhari is clever by half.

He knows that if he responds that he doesn't endorse anyone, he will be regarded as being anti-party.

He doesn't want the media to go out and report that he avoided endorsing his party Flag bearer.

If you understand Hausa. Tune in to Hausa BBC Radio. All they do there is insult Tinubu's age. Kwankwaso is at the center of discussion the North followed by Atiku and Obi has been brought up a few times.
Hmmmmm
PoliticsRe: Mass Exodus Hits APC In Katsina, Sokoto, Bauchi by AreaFada2: 2:11pm On Jun 21, 2022
PaChukwudi44:
APC would soon become a SW regional party
Abeg o. Nor insult all of SW o.

It will be Iragbiji-Agbero Party. grin cheesy
Sensible Lagosians, Ondo, Ekiti, Ogun and Oyo people will not vote like herding nama nama by herdsmen. APC might get some votes in Osun.
Despite massive bullion van bribery and fraud, APC has only ever won Lagos marginally in presidential elections. grin cheesy

Joke aside, the North will not take defying Buhari's choice as candidate lying down o. Tinubu will need to show extra-ordinary dexterity and promise away most of his power of incumbency to get Northern support. He will be in Aso Rock but Northerners will be ruling. More than Gowon gave away at Aburi conference but soon reneged on. If not, don't be surprised if even Buhari ports to another party nearer election period. grin cheesy
TravelRe: Why Do People In The Diaspora Come Back To Nigeria To Settle When They Get Old? by AreaFada2:
koyyess:
Even in the zoo, most retired men and women go back to their state of origin to settle. Before retirement, some are already building their houses in their home town or their state capital.

Na bad economy and huzzle fever dey make people migrate.

If all the states in nizooria were developed, very few people will migrate. Use the US citizens as an example...dem dey migrate? Highest they go on vacation and return.
I have seen some reasonable and some very silly comments here. grin cheesy
The bolded is Gbam!

To begin with, most people who went abroad initially planned to return after about 5 to 10 years. But since the mid-1980s, when that time comes, they can't return. Because Nigeria kept going backwards. Family members at home began discouraging relatives abroad from returning. Then people got married and have kids abroad. Returning to 9ja with 3 or 4 kids is never easy. Returning from Abuja with family to Afikpo, Uromi, Ede, Iseyin or Orlu within that same 9ja for good is not even easy.

By the time you have raised all the kids through university, you must have spent around 32 to 40 years abroad. Then you are nearing retirement. In the years you were raising kids, your main responsibilities were (1) Paying high bills/taxes (2) Constantly assisting relatives
and friends in 9ja (3) Investing in 9ja (4) Planning for retirement.

By the way, folks retire from PH, Abuja, Lagos, Kaduna and other cities to their hometown/state too. Even some Americans retire from NYC, Chicago, Boston and others to warmer Florida.

As for (2) above, those you assist can be up to 50 people. Meanwhile because you spread the help to so many people, out of necessity, none will believe you changed their lives significantly with your help. You will still be seen as the stingy uncle/aunty/friend. We see threads here about stingy uncle abroad who only sent little money every time. Now imagine someone sending N100k to just 25 people in a year. That's N2.5m. In 10 years that's N25m.
No corrupt means to make money abroad like in 9ja. Yet he will be called stingy. Whereas a guy doing an average civil service job in 9ja and doesn't face demands from relatives (he's not erroneously considered rich like those abroad) can build a good house for 25m in some parts of most 9ja cities and he can brag that he has made it more than some "useless" guys abroad. N25m that some guys abroad gave out as unappreciated gifts, believing that they are at least trying to help despite also just managing themselves abroad. grin cheesy cheesy

If 9ja had developed as it promised considering our immense resources, many would never have left and many who left would have returned much earlier, after university education, to work in 9ja.
Today, many people who said just 8 years ago that they will never relocate, many want to leave 9ja now.

Of late due to insecurity, kidnapping and worsening economy, the rush to return to 9ja to retire has much reduced. Women are far less keen to return to 9ja.
RomanceRe: Do We Really Have Guys Like This Nowadays? by AreaFada2:
Deborah98:
We need such men...
But sha, I hope nobody will bother us with something like " NL fam, please help! My guy that I thought was a gentleman is secretly gay" Or " NL fam, please help! My guy that I thought was a gentleman is impotent. Now we are engaged and wedding fully planned. I just found out". grin cheesy grin
CultureRe: Why Can't Edo/benin/urhobo/ishan/isoko Become One Tribe? by AreaFada2:
mr1759:
For those who say there no tribe call Edo you lie Edo is an ethnic group also call benins, I study Edo language in school in Benin we refer to ourselves as ovbiEdo meaning and and Edo child Benin is a nickname but Edo is our identity
Edo history is pretty well orally told and retold and partly documented since the 15th century.

Benin people became known as Edo by 1440 AD when Oba Ewuare I ascended throne. By about 40 BC it was Igodo/Igodomigodo. It was also known as Idu Land. Igbo people still call Benin people Ndi Idu, for example.
When Prince Ginuwa left Benin in 1480 to form Warri as the first Ogiame, Edo as the new name would just have becoming more popular in regular use.
At some point between 40BC and 1440 AD, Benin became a common name and neighbouring chiefdoms/lands still mostly used that name. In the 1470s when the Portuguese first came, the coastal people they met told them of the powerful King of the whole area residing in Benin. Some early versions of Portuguese records call it Beny.

Fact is while the Core Benin people began using the world Edo as a tribal name, many allied lands and territories still used Benin mostly. The Empire was Benin Empire. Core Benin people were called Ivbiedo exclusively until 1991 when Edo State came into existence.
It is funny because Edo North and Edo Central actually have and had a bigger share in Benin Empire and name than Edo. Because they were warriors and had other key positions in imperial machinery of those days. Whereas Edo was virtually a tribal thing of core Benin people.

I cannot be sure, but it may be that traditional rulers in Edo North and Central played a role in it. May be they thought that if it is called Benin State, it could imply that it covers the domain of Oba of Benin. I may be wrong though. But what happened in Warri Province decades earlier may be a clue.

The same issue arose over 60 years ago in Warri. When Obafemi Awolowo as Premier of Western Region (Before Midwest Region was carved out by referendum in 1963) changed Olu of Itsekhiri title to Olu of Warri, other tribes protested because the area of Delta with Urhobo/Okpe, Itsekhiri, Ijaw and Isoko people was called Warri Province back then. Other tribes thought it would imply that Olu was overlord over all Warri Province of those days. The settlement was to rename the province as Delta Province.
PoliticsRe: Ejiro Otarigho: I Want New Tanker, Not National Honour by AreaFada2: 3:13pm On Jun 19, 2022
National honour, new truck or whatever should not prevent investigation of the cause of the fire outbreak. 9ja people are too emotional and far less particular about safety and learning from near misses. Whatever the cause of the accident, was the truck insured to protect victims in the unfortunate event of such a disaster? Or is insurance not needed by law to transport flammable liquids across the country?

While it's good news that nobody came to harm, it could easily have been disastrous if the driver had been far away from the location. He wouldn't have been able to drive it away.
PoliticsRe: Reno Omokri: Nigeria Does Not Need Placeholders, We Need Pacesetters by AreaFada2: 1:34am On Jun 19, 2022
sayso:
But guys stop attacking the messenger and consider the implications of the message. The candidates have shown already their inability of time management skills which is the bases of development in the Western nations.
No, tribalism and N5k bribe won't let most reason. Who dreams of being a president lifelong, helped form a merger 7 years ago and yet cannot decide on VP? shocked shocked
The youth are worse than the current looting clueless old cargos to see anything wrong with indecisive leaders.

What scenario was not possible to foresee as a presidential candidate over the past 7 years? A southern Muslim with 7 years to work out the pros and cons of Muslim-Muslim and Muslim-Northern Christian ticket had plenty of time to study all these permutations and likely VP candidates. But these people are products of a failed society. They won't accept the truth.

We could argue that Kwakwanso and Obi haven't had enough time to do their homework well. Not lifelong ambition man.
CultureRe: Words Slangs And Expressions Only People Of The South-south/nigerdelta Say. by AreaFada2: 6:39pm On Jun 18, 2022
Ologbo147:
NO 14- Okada. It entered into the pidgin lexicon to mean the motorcycle. It is the name of a Bini town in Edo state. An indigene of that town founded the first private airline in Nigeria. The airline was seen as swift, the motorcycle came in around the same tiwhime, those who could not afford the ticket to travel started attributing the name of the airline to their substitute and alternative which is also swift on land and with the ability to manuevre between hold ups and go slow. Then the name stuck. That is how it came to be known as okada in the greater part of Nigeria
Actually pidgin has a very long history in Benin. It was actually Portuguese based pidgin that some people spoke in Benin. As it was going out of use British colonisation came. Therefore the Pidgin English in Benin today blended the old Portuguese words in.

For example, we say "Adesuwa too dey do oversabi". Well, sabi is from saber, a Portuguese word (from Latin word sabere) meaning "to know".

As a kid, I would hear old papa saying "Amadin, go bring that kalaka to pour this ogoro/udegbotor for Papa Agbontaen", especially if non-indigenes were also present. Well, kalaka comes from the word Caneca, which is Portuguese word for a mug/cup.
So Benin Pidgin is not a new invention where you just willy-nilly puts new slangs into the language. The Portuguese pidgin was once a commercial/business Language spoken by some of the elite/mercantile class and their assistants.
FamilyRe: My Brothers Wife Is Cheating, Do I Tell Him Or Mind My Business by AreaFada2: 12:56pm On Jun 18, 2022
abobote:
Are you sure he is your brother?
Tell him straight up
I wonder also. OP should check if he or his brother abroad was adopted. I can't expect a blood brother asking this yeye question.

@OP BadRadio, what if your sister in law and her lover are hatching a plan to eliminate your "brother's enemy" when he returns and corner all he is labouring for abroad now? Or if the woman go ready seriously AIDS infested p*ssy waiting for him? Ever thought about that?

Misguided feminist wannabes here will say maybe he is cheating abroad too. I know of a guy who lived abroad for 7 years and had no woman here. He returned to his wife and kids in 9ja.

There is a thread of a 9ja lady abroad on FP right now. After 7 years, no man has toasted her. There are lots of men very busy and focussed abroad and don't womanise.
PoliticsRe: Tinubu Still Searching For Running Mate, Will Substitute Masari – Tunde Rahman by AreaFada2:
APCnaPDP:
All these presidential aspirants are not even ready. Tinubu is hiding his own aspirant. Nigerians, what else will Tinubu hide when he becomes your president if he has to hide just a VP?
If you vote Tinubu, you vote for retrogression. You go still suffer the consequences.
Tinubu has lifelong ambition to be president, the Emilokan of Ogun State, 7 years to prepare for becoming possible APC candidate, 7 years to think about permutations of possible VP from the North, yet he has no VP. That was how Buhari cried on TV about lifelong ambition to be president, olule candidate three times, yet when he finally won, it took him nearly a year to appoint ministers from among people with him all these years.
Tinubu, if he wins, may take 2 years to appoint ministers, use money to silence NASS and claim to be using a sophisticated strategy. grin grin cheesy
As many 9ja folks have a covenant with oppression and poverty, they will still vote such people. shocked shocked

A country of Donald Duke, Akin Adesina, Nuhu Ribadu, Buba Marwa, NOI and other brilliant minds, they prefer fossils as leaders. Tueh!
PoliticsRe: Atiku Picks Okowa As VP Candidate, Will Present Him This Morning by AreaFada2: 5:49pm On Jun 16, 2022
PHIPEX:
With this analysis, what about Tambuwal that contested for president and still got Senate ticket?
Tambuwal withdrew last minute for Atiku. He didn't contest therefore.
PoliticsRe: With Okowa As Atiku's Running Mate, Will PDP Win The Presidential Election? by AreaFada2: 3:22pm On Jun 16, 2022
SarkinYarki:
I must say ATIKUs chances are quite slim now .. seems Jagaban might just be next president
Yap! Udom Emmanuel would have been better. More affable. Not a big name but has no tag of traitor like Okowa in SS and causes no resentment in the North like Wike.

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