Samfloxin: Single mother sported. I told my wife point blank that she should forget going to spa. I will do the job without pay. How can you explain to me that a fresh dude will be massaging your body and you will not feel Hot.
Hahahahahaha
There are more female masseuse than male.
So it necessarily wouldn't be a male to offer the service.
22 Wives, asubmit to your own husbands, bas to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church
It's your duty respect him, it's his duty to love him. Stop seeking love from whom you cannot respect
@Bold:
I am asking where you got that interpretation from.
When you consider that everyone would face the judgement for their actions individually, I am wondering how 'I was a terrible husband/didn't love my wife because she wasn't submissive' would fly.
LadyTara: Hopefully we will. Personally I think misogyny and the "African mentality" has influence on the perception and outlook of these preachers which can subsequently influence their interpretation of scriptures which they turn to doctrines and sermons.
Very true.
A lot of them mix culture and traditions with the Bible.
That's why a girl should know the Bible for herself so she can sieve her suitors and continue in it when married.
HantaVirus: First off,what is the meaning of being submissive?
To be submissive is to obey or yield to someone else. When you are submissive, you submit to someone else's will, which literally, you put your own desires lower than theirs.
Do you know there are some married women who can't look into their husband's eyes eyeball to eyeball
Some of these women fear their husbands and they dare not object to his decisions.....
Submission doesn't work like that in the Biblical context.
If you read the stories of couple interactions in the Bible, this strange definition we gave submission doesn't apply.
The Bible even teaches us to submit one to another (Eph 5:21).
Make woman wey marry masquerade sorry o!
Like a preacher said yesterday: you teach a man how to treat you. If you tell him disrespect/abuse is acceptable, he will continue in that line.
Don't be surprised that the masquerade at home is a 'simp' to his side chic.
phemmyfour: If you want him to love you, respect him by submitting to him. Submission isn't weakness. You shouldn't expect to be love by a man you cannot submit to.
1Pet3:6 like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord.
@bold:
Which remixed Bible are you guys quoting this afternoon?
LienwaltAbel: What the fvck concern's Father's Day and submission. This is a time to celebrate our fathers (dead and alive) not to start yarning shit about submission. Who submission help abeg?
eas01: The word love don suffer for Nigerian women mouth. Nigerian women think love is like Disney Cinderella, hunky dorey , lala land fairy tale, . Also american movies, nollywoood celebs have given naija women a false notion of love. You wanna know what love is ? Read 1cor 13:4-8. You submit a man into loving you.
HIPROFILE: You are saying the same thing…submission comes first…If a wife rebels her husband she should not expect any love from the Man.. shikena
This is a principle for those with real understanding not for kids.. A submissive woman indirectly runs the affairs of her home in totality with little or no challenge or banter from her husband.
The bold must be from Oshodi Bible.
For serious Christians, submission and love are distinct commandments;
A man MUST love his wife whether she is submissive or not.
A woman MUST submit to her husband whether he is loving or not.
If you are married to an unbeliever and they have decided to end the marriage, you should infact let them go.
Our God given wisdom also helps as a guide in situations.
gram: Submission and love are two of the most misunderstood words in scripture. They are not conditional, they are commandments i.e, even if your wife chooses not to submit, you must continue to love her and vice versa, while you both continue to work on this issue.
Both words as used, carry a spiritual connotation.
Many good women choose not to submit to their husbands, not because they are bad, but because they lack a submissive spirit and understanding of how this works. Likewise, many men lack the spirit of love. That is why it is advisable to work on yourself if you lack any of these qualities if you choose to be married as a Christian.
Marriage, as created by God is a sacrificial union that is not designed for anyone who lacks the spirit of submission and love. Both terms are extremely humbling and vulnerable states that are not for the proud. Love and submission are weakening states of human existence that should only be shared by people who understand them in a marriage. Howbeit, many are quick to expose their fleshly weakness in the name of passion but shy away from the weaknesses that God established for a successful marriage. It is impossible to have a Godly marriage without submission and love as God prescribed it - that does not mean that the marriage may not be good. It is just biblically impractical for you not to have a head in a marriage. The head (husband) is actually a sacrificial position, that if well understood, is not desirable for status purposes - I can’t explain all in this post.
However, I will say this - many seem to liken submission in the home to submission to their bosses, the law, and other hierarchical institutions because that’s what they’ve been used to. If you ever grew up in a home where the mother submitted and the father truly loved his wife, you will not wish for anything else.
Unfortunately, we have less and less examples to guide us in this generation. Submission and love are fading away, and marriage is becoming a strategic venture. These two terms, if well understood and practiced, would have saved many truncated marriages today. May God help us all.
That said, many men who lack biblical understanding of the word submission are quick to use it as a means of control. That is one reason why many women are now very irritated by the word, because they believe it is equivalent to subjugation. No, it is not equivalent to subjugation or subservience, neither should it be used as a tool for subterfuge.
Finally ladies - it is totally okay to choose not to submit to a man in the world we live in today, as a matter of choice. After all, we have been exposed to so much information that tells us that we can make any kind of choice we like. But, make it very clear to the man in your life that you will not submit to him if he asks you to do so before marriage, and if he chooses to marry you, then great for both of you. If you are a Christian and chose to follow the Bible, don’t argue about it or trick a man into believing you are submissive, only to change the goal posts later - this is one of the main reasons for failed marriages today. Men are guilty of this too - many show love and stop once married - dont do that my friend, else your marriage may be full of problems.
Women value love so much, just as men value submission - and I’m not talking only Bible now. God made us that way, let’s not fool each other.
There are men out there who will marry a woman who chooses not to be submissive in marriage, and the marriage can still be good. I personally don’t think this should be a controversial issue, It’s 100% choice. However, I doubt if a woman will ever choose to marry a man who expressly chooses not to love her, unless she is compelled by circumstances to do so, and I would definitely not advise any woman to do so.
LadyTara: Maybe it's just me,I but feel these religious leaders have subconsciously passed the responsibility of keeping a marriage together on women.
They keep hammering on submission, virtuous woman ,infact if there is a crisis in a marriage it's usually the woman who has to fast and pray. . I might be wrong ,but it's just my observation.
You are not wrong.
Although Churches are rising up now to talk to the men.
dominique: If only these pastors can preach love and mutual respect between both couples with the same energy and vigour they're using to preach submission, maybe there won't be so much crises going on in most marriages. It takes two to make a marriage work not just submission from the wife.
I honestly wish they could.
I have commented and done threads on it.
I even raised it in Church once or twice; Male leaders, train your men!
There is no way you won't have problems in marriage if you intend to have equal rights with your husband, even if you make or earn 100 times more than what he makes.
What rights do you think a husband has that the wife doesn't?
BloomingDale: There is no iota of submission in my body. Rather I will prefer the man submit to me. Not everyone believes in your misogynistic Bible and quoran that was made to cage the feminine energy.
You should have stopped at the paragraph before the bold.
McDuncan: My earlier submission was clear; if a woman doesn't have the power to divorce, then there is no scripturally based divorced men. So I couldn't have alluded that because there's no divorced men in the scriptural sense.
Luke was emphasizing on divorce outside the sin of adultery by the woman.
The sole purpose of Luke's take on that subject matter is thus; any man who divorce his wife outside the ambit of the law commits adultery with the new wife and the man who marries the divorced wife also commits adultery. This is not about "divorced men" which is the original basis for the question by the OP.
There's nothing like a divorced man scripturally. However the sexual sin of a man might be, it doesn't give the woman the right to divorce. She can only separate. Hence there's no scriptural provision for a woman to remarry unless by death of her husband. And no matter how she was divorced, whether scripturally lawful or otherwise, she's barred from remarrying because she remains the wife of her husband. And even when she's divorced lawfully owing to her committing adultery, she still can't remarry.
For men, it is narrowed down to only when the wife is sexually unfaithful. He can divorce and remarry.
So, while Luke points us to the reality of a man committing adultery by unlawful divorce and remarrying, it doesn't answer to "divorced men" remarrying. And this is what I think the OP was asking.
Ladymissile: If aliens were to land on earth and study the gender who is the most attractive it would be the females(it's very much obvious beyond doubt) Why aliens?! Because they are not going to be ruled by human pheromones to make a subjective answer. Yes attractiveness is subjective which is why we have Homosexuals and heterosexuals. It depends on brain activity Carried by electrical impulses and chemicals
"Mens bodies are ugly". That is why folks will always cheer and laugh when they see two women in a movie kissing, having sex,cuddling and frolicking passionately and will also cheer and laugh when they see a man and a woman doing such act. But when they see two males kissing and having sex they will boo, hiss, puke and gouge out their eyes in disgust.
Guys bodies are ugly, they are covered with lumps and bumps and hair all over. The penis is the most ugly part of the male body. Women have fantastic bodies all smooth and soft . A chicks naked body is beautiful
Feminity is always abscribed to beauty because that is their symbol while the males are always known as a symbol of ruggedity and strength because of their rugged body buildup. That's why commercials use femininity to advertise beauty products, cosmetics,wears, lingeries etc While their poor male counterparts are used to advertise pharmaceutical products such as Panadol and malaria drugs and anything masculine it's so appalling
Women are androgynous in nature their can blend in masculine and feminine form and still look gorgeous That's why most men will look extremely horrible and ugly in a woman's cloth and garments Some men are too ugly that even cosmetics Makeup can't conceal their ugliness But a woman can still wear a man's garments and clothe be it boxers and jeans and will still look breathtaking and stupendous
Feminity has always being an icon of beauty and a sex symbol Women are those gazed and looked upon(the beautiful icon of admiration) either through the distancing mechanism of standing beyond and looking, or through other means of looking, dissecting and observing (for instance in theorizing about "feminity"
Men know they can't and will never be perceived as beautiful because of their "rock of ages" buildup, the fear and danger of being subjugated, dissected, dehumanized and victimized because of their body anatomy
Men are more beautiful than women; women have the softness/lushness that makes us appealing sensually/sexually.
This implies that: 1. Men do not have the discipline to be faithful nor the capacity to be the head of their homes. It also means they are lack self awareness to define who they are.
2. When taking your marital vows, you pledge to be faithful to your wife; no buts or ifs. Virginity or lack of isn't a condition.
3. If a man knows he doesn't want to marry a non-virgin, it would be madness to marry one and start complaining thereafter.
NemoDatQuod: There's nothing messed up about your situation. You got exactly what you explicitly stated that you wanted. You told the girl you were happy to have a child with her though you'd live separately. That is what is about to happen. You knew from the vey beginning that you did not find her attractive. Yet you chose her to be the mother of your child and went into her raw.
You wanted a child since age is not on your side(which by the way is pure fantasy. You are still a very young man). You found someone willing to have a child for you at arms length. She is now in the laboratory stage of having that child for you. You should be very happy and inviting us for pre-birth "Owambe" drinks. Instead you are complaining that you do not find her attractive. Maybe you thought after getting her in the family way, she will simply disappear and let you alone. No Sir. She was and is rooting for a wedding someday and she will be a thorn in your flesh for eternity. How you guys make very important decisions with such level of stupidity amazes me, all the time. You have knowingly got yourself a tormentor for life. Brace yourself.
If I am doing Anything that may have consequences down the line, I better get the MAXIMUM satisfaction from it. So when the consequences come, I can still be like yeah but I rocked!