Family › Re: Boys Night Out Discussions by bukatyne(f): 3:10pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
An0nimus: Indian movies can be very nice with deep lessons bar the singing and dancing. The only ones I've seen in a long while is 3 Idiots and Slumdog Millionaire.
I'm OK with Hollywood. someone should please tell me they've seen The Equalizer  I like Indian films and mature romantic films where romance is not the main/only theme  |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 3:02pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
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Family › Re: Appeal To All: Feminism by bukatyne(op): 2:59pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bennyrazz: why are you hiding? are you scared or what??  |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:58pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
byvan: I think is more like dream killer + no dream = . Most women these days want something doing....i guess. Double wahala for dead body  A lot of women want to get spending money (earning it, getting it free, getting it at a cost) and not fulfilling their dreams (if they have one) The spending money thingy is not limited to women alone |
Family › Re: Letter To My Uncaring Father-In-Law by bukatyne(f): 2:56pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Funny and also very deep
Why does wifey want to commit suicide? If it general to all sisters then they probably were not trained ( I doubt believe all kids can reject training altogether)
What a pity; marriage that should be a burden lighter now adds burden to him |
Family › Re: Appeal To All: Feminism by bukatyne(op): 2:49pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bennyrazz: if it was not that @bolded , why did you include "feminism" as part of the topic? is it to drive traffic to your thread or what? you shouldn't have also mentioned "feminists" in your post it would have made a whole lot of sense. We know most of the people claiming to be feminist on here just feel like expressing themselves in a way they feel they can't express themselves in the real world because they are cowards that teach what they don't practice and I see no reason why you should advocate for their silly unrealistic agendas. bennyrazz, Read the OP |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:48pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bellong: Dynamism is the hallmark of a wonderful home. What matters is agreement and consent of parties involved.
Tufiakwa... I still support synthetic hairs/attachments but not human hairs. Who knows the kind of terrible curse on the original head..  Lol @ support Human hair is no no Funny thing is they spend so much money to acquire people's curses and some people do not even know the difference between human and good synthetic  |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:46pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
byvan: She probably might not be frustrated, some had no dreams. I hammer on that a lot It is not everything that is the fault of the husband. Some women have none, what can the poor husband do? Husband push them too much and they see it as the man can no longer provide  |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:44pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Nonso23: That is where we get it wrong. There were strong women as individuals and groups too. The O.p explained how it was in Igbo land. I might not be privy to in-depth information on how the Hausa women collectively held their own but i know the yorubas had trade unions that were very vocal. The Europeans during colonization divided and conquered our traditional system. We were on the right path and doing just fine before they butted in and displaced everything with their own ideologies. Today their system is 'fine' for them and they are trying again to butt into the already disintegrated African traditional system. Polar bears can not thrive in the sahara. Africa needs to re-invent herself from the inside with little or no external inputs.
Our traditional religious system was not terrible . Today it is just abused. @ bolded: Are you a Christian? We all must be getting history wrong then. Like the OP said, a lot of people complain about the girls of nowadays as the olden days mothers were more 'submissive', the men had free rein to do as they wished, polygamy thrived etc. etc. There is a missing link somewhere Besides, there is no way we can isolate our self from external influence. I would only want us to choose the external influence and retain some aspects of our culture. (Heavy emphasis on some) For some reason, I cannot fathom why workers in church (RCCG) as a case study cannot wear smart traditional wears. Jesus definitely did not preach in suit  |
Family › Re: The Fight For Equal Rights! by bukatyne(f): 2:30pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
lilmax: i have problem with hypocrisy, and btw what rights are you guys fighting for in Nigeria? Don't you guys have the same jobs Based on certificates? Everybody has problems with hypocrisy |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:28pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
byvan: She doesn't but the dude obviously knows she is very pliable, she is serving the house 'wifeship' like a jail term and the fact that he refused her having a little business, even if she has to get a manager for it and still stay home is what I don't get. I completely took my hands off her matter and just say " nah so now " when ever she starts telling me stories that touch . You certainly do not want to be termed a 'home breaker' All I know is a frustrated wife is not the best for the kids/home.... Results are not achieved |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:24pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Nonso23: Contrary to the generally believed opinion that women were non-participatory members of the community, they were an integral portion of the society of old. No suggestions were passed as laws in the land until every section of the community agreed upon it. The origin of the christian mothers association today lies with the interest group the women formed in the olden days to voice out their displeasure, opinions and suggestions to the community.
Our society did not bully nor intimidate women. Those records are western just the way the Europeans sold to us the lies that our traditional religion was of the devil but that is a story for another day. I know there were strong women as individuals e.g. Moremi, Amina, Efunsetan etc. As for collective strength, I honestly don't know  Well we have the Aba women riot... These whites also came from the same place. In times of old, the women actually had to pay dowry to the husbands, did not work, did not vote, etc. etc. before they went back to the drawing board and changed things. Our traditional religion is ...  |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:19pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
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Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:17pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Chillis: I learnt the hard way . I'm very straight forward . I tell you the first time, you take another route, I leave you to it.
You can't help someone that doesn't wanna be helped You even become frustrated when investments are not yielding results |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:08pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bellong: Can't forget a pseudo-feminist You will help educate women on how they can contribute meaningfully to development and growth without peruvian hairs...  LOL @ pseudo-feminist I have been called several things on this forum: old, bitter, married, single, divorced, jobless, mean etc. someone even called me an anti-feminist  because I did not support men taking care of their divorced wives  Now the reigning is pseudo-feminist (pf for short) or fake because I say men are the head of their homes. I don't wear human hair... I feel it is wrong. The head is the carrier of one's glory; how can you put someone else's hair on your head  Tufiakwa! |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:04pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Nonso23: Very interesting! Though i'm aware of most of the stuffs contained in the o.p and subsequent related posts i'm surprised at one thing.
Africans or more specifically the Nigerian ethnic groups were a lot more ahead of their western counterparts in gender relations and equity until the Europeans thought the system was not 'right' and eventually succeeded in crushing that balance as we knew it with their power as colonialists leaving us for the worse. Today though they do not colonize our lands, our thoughts and perception of everything is not only colonized by them but also ruled by their subtle messages covered in all kinds of alluring packages. We gradually are being left again for the worse.
Africa never marginalized the female gender. Certain practices may appear absurd today but they were agreed upon by all parties before they were carried out in the olden days. The men did not invent killing of twins. The community of old did. The men did not invent the ridiculous rites a widow must undergo after the death of her husband, the primitive society did, the men did not invent the laws that a woman should not own lands the primitive society did and that primitive society was made up of men, women and their children. Nobody should be blamed for anything. If ever we are going to develop in any way then our indigenous cultures should be modified to suit the current times. Nothing is more embarrassing than a people without a history. The Chinese did it and are currently the strongest economy in the world. They should be our role models.
Our culture is very rich and i agree that we have some very dark patches in it but we also have a lot of good aspects and funny, ridiculous components too. To neglect these areas and focus on blaming the men for where we are today will portray the current flock of women as weak and cowardly. That is not what the women of old were. They stood up for what they wanted worked for it and earned their respect. They knew what 'responsibility' meant. No sane man will dare to disrespect such a woman. Our grandmothers were not obnoxious, hateful, denigrating nor self-centred - the 'virtues' our women today embrace with dexterity (at least on the internet). Today, women have equal rights to education. Certain areas in Nigeria have the quota system in place to correct any cultural marginalization. Women are equipped to also contribute to Africa's development as they once did but unfortunately the most vocal ones would rather argue that women should smoke because a lot of men doing so or how women should go topless because the men can. Very absurd.
Our mothers were dedicated to their homes and prided themselves on the success of their family. They were respectful to their husbands and never hinged their loyalty on his earning power. Today all that is almost fantasy. If the women will only realise that that wife beater, that 419, that rapiist, that armed robber, that loafer, that cheat, that murderer was trained by both a woman and her man and that the currently terrible society we live in has as much input from the woman as the man can we can talk about moving forward. Till then we will still buy into the same unsuitable western ideologies damaging both the west and their homes; us and everything we stand for.
AFRICA NEEDS EDUCATION! How can women be there when they were making foolish customs and still be called 'strong' women? |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:00pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bellong: I understand your position about not wanting to dent your integrity.
Yes, I will delve into politics when the time comes. Its high time we taught Nigerians what good governance, rule of law and transparency are. Happy delving  Remember your sister in the Lord when the time cometh  My former Sunday school teacher had the same discussion with me some weeks back Who knows, when you guys get there, we will follow  |
Family › Re: Bride Price; What Purpose? Who Benefits? by bukatyne(f): 1:58pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
aisha2: Like the other poster wrote it was the women in her community who stood up against this practice and got it abolished. It wont scrap itself, we women loose most from it so we should be the ones who should stand up and say we want it scrapped if we do. It would be best if the affected women champion it and we can support. |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 1:55pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
byvan: I know one that is going for a PHD but has no intention of working because her husband won't have a working wife, some are in dire situation and really can't figure a way out. Is it not going to be more frustrating for her? Like smelling meat you can't eat? Did she know his stance pre-marriage? |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 1:53pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bellong: Hmm... I have natural God given assets too. Which of the assets are you thinking, capital or liability? 
Those few ones will always be around as long as the world exist. They are incurable medieval people that unfortunately came in the jet age.. We shouldn't subject discussions to the myopic thinking of those few people.
Meanwhile, Bukatyne when are you contesting for an elective position in Nigeria?  LOL @ capital and liability @Politics... I nor get strength! I played a little in school which was an eye opener... Somehow some people's thinking just stops there. I don't know if politics suddenly closes their minds... It comes a terrible struggle to do what is right. I actually prayed for my office more than my academics sef. I edited and edited my manifesto so that I do not promise what I cannot deliver. If I am appointed into a position and I see I can make an impact there (not all these shut up positions), I will go for it and my integrity starts to be messed up, biko, I am so bailing out. There are other ways to make impact  You are going into politics? |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 1:47pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Chillis: I don't do protest. I do my sh1t silently. You want those hungry looking niajirians to kidnap and butcher me .
Besides, most of them girls are comfortable with their 100naira 'recearch' cards they are getting.
They are comfortable the way they are. I only Help those who want to be helped.
All other mgbekes can stick to what they love best. I wan enjoy my life abeg. I no be Jesus who sacrificed for the ones he loved. At least he knew he will rise again on the third day 
Stillfire carry go. Education is all. Most of them girls with all their education prefers sitting in the kitchen and giving births. Why did they even go to school at the first place @first bold: It is important so efforts are not wasted chasing the wind @second bold: I wonder also. |
Family › Re: Bride Price; What Purpose? Who Benefits? by bukatyne(f): 1:44pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
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Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 1:36pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
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Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 12:53pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
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Family › Re: The Fight For Equal Rights! by bukatyne(f): 12:52pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
lilmax: exactly So what you have a problem with are women who want to be equals when it suits them as opposed to women been equal with men? |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 12:12pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Stillfire: As Kanwulia would say, those are ghetto feminists!  I will honestly say they are much  The foundation of good morals is important before building equality or inequality on it |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 12:11pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bellong: This ship has sailed. Gone are those days when men insist their wives shouldn't be financially independent. The current economic situation in the country does not encourage the man to be the sole provider except for the stealing politicians and very few money bags.
Meanwhile, it is not being financially independent that should be the message you need preach to women but developing themselves. Adding values to the society, family and people around them, aside the heavenly assets most use to navigate their ways through deep waters. What heavenly asset? Is it what I think it is?  |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 12:10pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Stillfire: Very mental. A very damning mentality that is why you get a barrage of dependent girls in the society today asking for money for hair, icecream and a host of other demeaning crap. There is absolutely no excuse for the African woman to reduce herself to such nonsense. This thread is to break such mentality. I hope and pray it works Ladies who equate equality to be loud, rude, brash or not changing pampers or cooking are really not helping matters. |
Family › Re: Appeal To All: Feminism by bukatyne(op): 11:53am On Dec 30, 2014 |
bennyrazz: if I get you correctly, the basis of this thread is to say women are or should be the head of the family? if this is your internet belief, why should I waste my time quoting you when I know reverse is the case in the real world. My only problem is most women on here don't practice what they preach. Their posts are geared towards misleading young innocent ladies out there. Bennyrazz, I am not interested in any back and forth on this thread The man/woman is the head thingy was used for explanation purposes This thread was not even to discussion feminism/anti-feminism... Kindly read the OP again |
Family › Re: The Fight For Equal Rights! by bukatyne(f): 11:48am On Dec 30, 2014 |
Gamine: Submit
Submit
Submit
If we could all just submit to each other
this world will be a lil bit better
not possible, but we can try
Pride is our problem I agree Not impossible, just hard |
Family › Re: The Fight For Equal Rights! by bukatyne(f): 11:47am On Dec 30, 2014 |
Where is Gamine...
Would she mind we resurrect the thread? |
Family › Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 11:26am On Dec 30, 2014 |
@OP:
Great Thread
As of today, I doubt there are many institutions where women are openly discriminated at in Nigeria ( I am excluding rural areas and customs here)
The major problem is mental; until the people believe men and women are equal, all institutions established to ensure there are equal opportunities is not going to attain the full potentials.
This mental barrier affects all segments especially in the home; we see men who would be great fathers, spur their daughters to the top but stunt the development of their wives
As more awareness is created and women prove themselves, it changes the traditional mindset and we can progress. |