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okotv:
I don't have time for guys like those above. Live your life as it pleases you.

are whites also cursed before they became saved

funny comment, got me laughing

ihedinobi2:
I don't believe that I've suggested that what I think is what you must experience. What I have said is that reality is shaped by what we think. That means that if I can affect how you think I can affect what your reality becomes. I think that's why Jesus told us Christians to go and preach.

And I did not knock how your own home is run nor did I suggest that it must be run like mine is. I think you yourself respect your husband and let him lead you. But it's an assumption on my part though.

I'm sorry about your night. What happened?

okotv:
are you white


I am not cursed sha

Pavore9:
l laugh at those who are swearing they can't live in a house built by their wives because it is an "abomination" but when they see their landlady (no be owner's wife but her own property) over-greeting go they worry them..oh such hypocrites!

Ilekokonit:
Never.

Eni to ba sun ile iyawo e, o ri akintan lo sun si. (One who sleeps in his wifes house is actually sleeping in a trash yard). Because at anytime she can tell you to move out.

Eni to ba fi aso iyawo e bora. akisa lo fi bora. (One who covers himself with his wifes cover cloth is actually covered with a rag). Because at anytime she can collect the cover cloth back.

ihedinobi2:
What I think is irrelevant in the face of Scripture, do you agree?

The question is how many times men asked their women about a decision. Abraham did not ask Sarah anything. He just granted her demand. Jacob was about to uproot his wives from their home. He merely asked if they wanted to come with their husband or stay with their father.

I haven't read the op either. I was only interested in what you said.

Well, it's your gain then that your husband does not require such a thing. I don't think kneeling is absolutely necessary. Respect, deference, submission though are all non-negotiable, however you express them.

Oh they do. Reality is shaped by the things human beings think and imagine.

I hope you got some good rest last night.

logoscope:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+3%3A5&version=HCSB

For in the past, the holy women who put their hope in God also beautified themselves in this way, submitting to their own husbands,

Misogynist2014:
Verily I say unto you, not even a night sleep will I waste on you. Your life is of no importance to me.

chuka5000:
U are crazy

Misogynist2014:
Why make mockery of Christianity "Following the will of Heaven
every person is born into a social
network of responsibilities and
duties. In this relations a
confucian gentleman must follow
the four virtues, which are love,
justice, decency and wisdom.
There are six types of
relationships between people, in
every relationship between two
people are a senior and a junior,
a superior and a subordinate."
"A nation's strength depends on
its families' honesty," he wrote.
"To bring order into the world, we
must first establish order in the
nation," says Confucius' wisdom.
"To establish order in the nation,
we must first establish order in
the family; to create order in the
family, we must first improve our
personal lives, and to improve our
personal lives, we must first
cultivate our hearts."
Now we for many years have only
heard about women's rights. Now,
it must be about time that we
should hear something about
women's duties.
Modern feminists seem to believe
that the only thing they have to do
is to listen to their feelings and
find out, what they really want,
that will settle all moral doubt.
When will they ask themselves:
"How do I become a good wife?",
or "How do I become a good
daughter?" Most liberated women
never doubt that they are good
mothers, though many of them -
but not all - without hesitation
expose their children to grow up
without their father. #freecocoa #pashaun

ihedinobi2:
Famzing or not, you can see that it makes no sense to ask why Aquila is not mentioned separately. The couple was a unique case. Many men were mentioned in their work for God. But not their wives. Lydia was mentioned. Anna was mentioned. Anna was a widow. We don't know Lydia's marital status. But we know men who had wives and whose wives were not mentioned with them. We know women who had no husbands. Priscila is the only woman with a husband who was prominent in the New Testament.

The Bible does not speak of a husband's authority? What does "wives, submit to your husbands" mean?

Why did the Shulammite bother to ask her husband anything? How many times did you see men asking their wives to consider doing something in the Bible?

If His Will is the important thing, it is for women to be in submission to their men. At least, that is what many places in the Bible seem to say.

Is there something terribly wrong with kneeling to ask a boon of your husband? I'm not saying that it must become a law or a necessary practice of some kind, but what makes it that terrible to your ears?

What does that prove? Samson was blinded and stripped of his strength by a woman but he was also named. Does that take away from the fact that he was humbled by a woman? Should we not care that we keep our watch at our post? If individual roles and places did not matter, then even goalkeepers would be striking or playing midfield in soccer. You should bother. The Bible says that we should hold fast our crown that no man take it from us, that each man should look to his own field to till and tend it.

That's some good news, at least. However, if the man is the source of the woman, is he not superior to her?

tintingz:
Lol... OK, I didn't mean it that way.

winner01:
genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will RULE over you."

The husband is the head of the home, not husband and wife. Anything that has two heads is a monster.

Feminism is from the devil

ihedinobi2:
I think you know that that is an absurd question. How many men were mentioned as operating separately from their wives? Can you count? Aquila was unique in his own experience. He is the only person almost always spoken of in connection with his wife. What do you mean "wife's authority" anyway? What is that?

It is significant because Barak (not Sisera) was a man. He was supposed to be the one at the forefront. It was supposed to be his hand killing Sisera. But because he failed in his duty as a man, he was replaced by a woman. It was supposed to be a thing of shame to him.

If God didn't bother He would not have "made them male and female". He created the difference Himself, thus it matters.

I cannot speak for Kathryn or for Annie. I will speak for Anna the prophetess, for Lydia the benefactor, for Priscila, for Mary and for Martha. There was nothing about these women that suggested that they were under anybody's heel but they very clearly mattered in the things of God. However, even the controversial Priscila was not found ruling over men by herself.

Paul is truly a difficult writer to understand. But his writings are not culpable in any way for the plight of women. People are responsible to read, meditate and pray to understand. Paul may have said that he did not suffer women to speak but he treasured Priscila obviously and mentioned at least two women in one of his letters because their rift affected the entire church that he was writing to. He obviously did not think that women are some afterthought God had. What I know for certain is that his writings were about decorum although I don't fully understand them.

Man is the head of woman as God is the head of Christ. There is a Scripture like that. N. T. Wright says that "head" there means "source".

tintingz:
I know you will not support that one @bolded.

tintingz:
What's wrong with my statement.. "you are on your own"

are we not on our own??

hensben:
ok Gej is the president of nigeria, he chooses his cabinet n preside over the affair of the nation, does that make the rest citizen inferior ...but gej is the no1 citizen, he is the head right

5minsmadness:
I see nothing to disagree with on your post.
And yes I read that post on foolish wives/women. Very interesting.

Bluffly:
Earth wasn't created in one verse, neither was man and woman created in one verse or same day nor He created them with the same mindset. So get your facts rights

ihedinobi2:
Lol. I very nearly raised Deborah myself. I guess it's better that you raised her. I'll be back to deal with that.

About Priscilla, my bet is that she was a teacher. But like her husband. I will avoid making any more assumptions though. What I will point out is that she was never spoken of as doing anything authoritative without her husband. Unlike the prophetess you just named. I think that that is significant. Especially as, like you rightly noted, she's the only female in the New Testament spoken of in that way.

Now, back to Deborah, remember what she said to Barak? She told him that because he insisted on having her come along with him the victory over Sisera would be given to a woman. Do you think that that is significant?

I don't fully understand the "women should not usurp authority over men" Scripture yet, that's why I will not be commenting directly on it.

kaboninc:
Feminist...

All men are equal in the sight of God! Same bible said the Man should Lord over the home. Don't know of any home where the woman is the head.

I think what feminist should fight for is equal opportunity for all. But that should not include opportunities to head over a home.

But those feminist in the house, what really do you fight for or want? What's your cause.

Bukatyne

5minsmadness:
Yes I did. A very extensive one. Took me more than two decades to complete. Its called the survey of life.

In all the marriages I have come across and all the couples I have counselled(yes I counsel couples) I am yet to see a happily married feminist. Men are naturally dominant and once a woman try's to assume a dominant role in a relationship it always crumbles.

seangy4konji:
The ones who wants to put te head of tier husband in their pants will be all over the thread. Did not bother to go through it.

They always believe that they can even slap heir man or even still talk on the phone with a stranger for hours without a need to explain to te husband who that was.

Biggest mistake in life is when you marry who god did not annoint for you. You carry another man bone be dat.

Egun e le gun awa oni bawon gbe oo.

Amen.

Ilekeh:
The same way they say"strong black man". Are you weak?

Timmytimmy:
Stop trying to produce more misunderstanding of the issue by trying to place the Old Testament against the New Testament. They don't run against each other. They never will. Analyses of such nature is why many other World Religions keep disrespecting the NT. You talked about context, you don't sound like you're trying to obey the rule with what you wrote. I am not anti-feminist, I don't just feel comfortable with Christians using the Bible wrongly.


@Topic, we cannot argue or discuss this issue until the Point of View we are to take is clear. Should we debate from a Christian perspective or a Secular perspective?

BABE3:
Prove that 6*2 and 3*4 have different roles.

BABE3:
I'm not going down to individuals. I'm talking about groups. In this case, men versus women. Fractions versus decimals.

Sometimes fractions are exactly equal to decimals. 2.5 and 2,1/2 for example.

However, 0.333 and 1/3 will never be equal. 1/3 is superior.

So, generally, fractions are superior.

ihedinobi2:
So the only examples in nature that you can give for things that are equal but different in function are man and woman. Because obviously, I didn't ask for examples of sexism, just for an illustration of the idea that two things can be equal and different in function at the same time.

I think that that is very telling, don't you? That "equal but different in roles/functions" only comes into existence when people start talking about men and women. What are the chances then that the idea that two things can be equal and have different roles is actually true? Judging by your response, extremely slim to none, is what they would seem to be.

It's a false argument, in conclusion.

5minsmadness:
So go to the source of the problem. Teach the men to be real men; responsible, loving, supportive, custodians and protectors of their families.

Making a woman change her nature from kind and caring to selfish, self-centred(this especially) and un-nurturing all in the name of feminism is not the answer.

I am yet to see a happily married feminist.

coogar:
God's original plan was for man & woman to leave in peace & harmony. eve welcomed a 3rd party that lured her to disobey God & she fell......she then lured her hubby to do the same & he fell.



if christ died to remove the curse, why do you still go through pain during childbirth? why do men & women still have to toil to make a living? curse removed? you must be having a laugh. until you can scoop out a baby easily like you're taking a pee, the curse or the punishment still hovers mankind.



we shall see who's trolling in the next bible passage:

To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."(Genesis 3:16)

now, who's trolling?

lilmax:
always surprised when bukatyne talks about feminism with the bible and she knows it doesn't encourage it... It's either you accept it or become an atheist


Feminists said there is no head in the house that all are equal but the bible says man is the head,a leader....arguing feminism using the bible is foolishness

BABE3:
Lemme help her out, 2.5 and 2,1/2 are equal.

However, fractions are more precise and they give a more accurate representation than decimals.
That means fractions are superior, even though decimals are useful.

I'm not sure it's possible for two things to be equal and different at the same time. Even if it's by a little itty bit, one of them has to have an edge, realistically.