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pickabeau1:Where is SS? |
pickabeau1:Ok...I no get pawa again jare seems the etiquette/manners point is subjective. Hosts be accomodating, ,guests just carry go ![]() Abeg who will host me out of all this excellent hosts we have on NL I will be coming with my 2 year old who is one man ransacker you must not vex if he ransacks your underwear cabinet o ![]() |
pickabeau1:True and I concur...But I would like to ask a question though and that is where the lines of etiquette and culture or should I even say manners be drawn? Eg If you do me a favour as a friend that I know is no biggie to you and I don't say thank you will it be wrong or 'holding another to your high standards' if another friend takes offence that I did not say thank you simply because I and you friend A sees no biggie in it? Be I no be kitchen klux clan last night na hubby still fry dodo for the kids before I got back from work and I gladly tucked into my share with his legendary egg sauce I even invite people to come over and cook stuff that I don't know how to so I can learn from them..Life is not that hard jare so this is not even territorial for me or about gender or about the kitchen but etiquette not juston the part of a host but a guest as well. |
edwife: Ok maybe not lazy but a short cut taker.Me I won't vex for kitchen or food sha but I can off cloth if persin tamper with my SKY+ planner even hubby knows not to mess with my recorded peogrammes the other day I saw I had a whole season of Ross Kemps 'Extreme world'from early 2014 and I will still watch it one day.. |
My last word on this.. Me am I not bothered about side chic, main chic , left chic, side chic I am not even bothered about if it was the other way round I.e. madam and hubby were the ones who went to mistress' s house or even if two male friends and one tiv, english ,one Chinese or thai person etc etc etc whatever.There is a reason I alluded to children's manners and that is because one of the main reason why we teach children not to accept things from strangers or even take things without asking is to teach them courtesy and delayed gratification well into adulthood. Of course there are different scenarios that could pan out but my point all along was seeking permission or respecting other boundaries and other people property. If we expect children to respect boundaries I don't get why we can't expect the same from adults.To me it does not even matter if I don't mind if same is done to me. In uni my friends used to borrow all my stuff all the time for parties and for some of my besties sef without permission.But me I will ask o I even rarely used to borrow people's stuff. I would say ' t is it ok if I use ur red purse' and I always used to get why are you asking naa but that's how I am. Now I am not saying there are no grey areas (esp when relationships and bonds have been built) but I honestly don't actually believe we are actually saying its ok to take something of someone we don't have a rapport without permission. And yes like I said earlier I get 'we' all don't mind but mine and others point has been more etiquette expected on the part of the guest. And I know we all say I will never go and sleep in a stranger's house that I won't be free but you can't tell in life.My mum was flying to Dubai once on Emirates and they had to have an emergency landing in Abu Dhabi.It was quite late and Emirates was trying their best to get them hotels but most were fully booked.Luckily she was travelling with her friend and that friend had a merchant who she was a very good customer to that had a house in Abu Dhabi.The man took them in for the night and they left for Dubai the next morning. He was a stranger to my mum and you can't be more paranoid than my mother.Her friend assured her and they gave them an ensuite room for the night.She came back to tell us stories of how accommodating arabs could be (me I told her u no know much arab dey make from alh ni ).So one can't always say what life throws at you.In my service yr, I stayed with people who my dad knew but in the true sense of it were strangers as I had never met them and they were very accommodating but I still took the cue of my hosts and respected myself.The wife told my dad later that she was so impressd. Everyone was just hung up on the nitty gritty of what the host did wrong and how they would NEVER do suchand skirted around the issue of if they would the same as the guest. Its all good sha and we are all different so we can't all see things the same way but on my own part sha I would NEVER go into the kitchen of someone I met the night before (even if we were cordial) and cook without permission. Get water maybe but cook.. lai lai.if I am hungry I will wait or go and buy food.besides I be ever ready I always have 1 or 2 cereal bars in my bag ![]() |
Na underground and workload I was going to ask the same question bukatyne asked (still not read all the new pages) since we have all established we will never do he same thing 'madam' did..I am on the road now but was going to paint a scenario and yes the answers are simple yes/no..I dey come |
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Ewuro4:True oo lower the volume, switch on music/tv ,dont moan at all or I don't even know sefThat's why I was horrified on one thread like that where people said its ok to have se.x with a baby on the bed with you When we had my daughter we lived in a 1 bed we used to relocate to the living room na she be the landlord .The thought gives me the creeps too. |
Ewuro4:Ewuro you are not getting my point.. of course if you are my friend and you are in my house (even though a guest) you can open the fridge and get drinks...key word friend (there is a rapport) I don't generally take life that hard and people that know me in real life know that I am very very accomodating..my mum says there is no one I can't live with (even with my OCD about my house being a certain way) if you mess the house up sef I would clean after you its no biggie.My friend and my SIL had issues on my daughters birthday cos I just left the food (I don't want left overs sef) to anyone who cared for it.my SIl was upset that she was just packing takeaway without even thinking or asking if I wanted some left behind for the house but truly it was no biggie to me cos I get tired of party food easily. NOW my point is cos I am laid back about it or don't think its a big deal I should then now not respect the boundaries in another person's house.Does not mean I will go to a friend's party and start packing moi moi, puff puff, etc into my bag without her telling me 'wont you take take away' because I don't mind if the same is done in my house.Of course I will take drink from the fridge of my personal persons house but even then if I find its one drink left I might actually not even take it.I always try to consider people as a guest and as a host.As a host I will try to make you feel welcome and as a guest I will try not inconvenience you or your family. kids manners is part of it because it's those things I was taught as a kid that's kinda stuck with me. Yorubas will say 'oko kin je baba ti omo koma si ala' a farm cant belong to a father and son without boundaries. I get all of you points about madams attitude but I kinda moved it on to general etiquette but I guess we can't all see things the same. As an aside since we have all said what we would have done if we were the host, would we have also acted/ reacted the same way as the guest? |
bukatyne:That's true sha..I guess we all see things differently. Which is kinda my point that we dont that see it as nothing or don't mind people helping themselves in the kitchen(I dont even see it as MY KITCHEN like that just a place food gets made) thinking we are better than those that mind.We all see and process things differently. We have a family friend that hubby calls his 1st wife and they joke that I am an usurper I don't see it as anything but I have a friend who will not find it funny in the least.Does not mean I am a better person or that she is necessarily insecure.CC I thought this was tales by moonlighy naa ![]() Me I was not talking about this case o just manners generally.i will give an example I try to encourage my kids to eat more fruit and veg so my fruit bowl is always full with a variety of fruits and they just go and help themselves. Every other thing they have to ask (cos most times they can't reach sef )..So my son who is 2 goes to his godmother for 2 days.We are quite close and he is very used to her.He does the same thing he does at home which is just go to the fruit bowl in the kitchen and get apples etc.The nit picker or indecisive 2 yr old that he is he realises he does not like green apples (I buy the red ones) and throws a barely eaten one in the bin.Goes back helps himself to another one. and throughout the day as for some reason he does not like how they make their noodles .She is someone I am quite free with and I know there was no malice when she told me that o needed to let him know that he has to ask people before taking stuff esp in other people's houses maybe not necessarily her house as other people's houses or when he goes to school.I did not think to myself 'because of apple apple that I have loads of in my house' I took it in good faith that I probably kinda overlooked that cos I felt he wss just 2 and also because he was with me alot from being a baby unlike his sister. I then told him to ask aunty or mummy before he helped himself to fruits (he still does it occasionally but with time and we emphasising it he will stop). That's more my point and not the peculiarities of this case (abi is it tale ) |
Ok my people I agree that madam should have handled it differently and yeah all that her she eyed me, she looked at me sonehow is petty.Also should probably not have confronted the girl if na me like you know Edwife am very lazy and my default breakfast is toast cereal croissant etc I would be so happy that I don't have to go in the kitchen. But like we have been told the story is a NL thriller written by the OP ![]() So jokes apart, (and I know she should have probably set out breakfast stuff the night before AGAIN that is what I would do ) is it ok really really for a person to just up and go into someone who you dont really have a rapport with house and throw yourself into making breakfast. (male or female I am not even making it a gender or married/single issue).like ewuro even highlighted even though she is open and accommodating and is a good hostess she and hubby respected the boundaries of another friend's house who did not reciprocate their own gestures? Like my earlier post, would you as a parent be happy for your child to go into the freezer of their friend's house and help themselves without asking if they could have it (even if they and the child are besties) ps I am not saying my kids can't eat at a friends I am talking about helping themselves without asking |
soulglo:You like me are choosing to ignore the other aspect of OP' post which I agree is petty. .the kind of person that I am (people say I can make excuses for people ehn) I would have just automatically assumed she was shy and na me go bring am out of her shell sef. But that's me.I am not too hung up on 'she eyed me' 'she looked at me somehow' .Evenmy mum(she is quite hung up on greeting do's and don't s which is normal for her culture and generation) sef knows not to report all those petty stuff to me cos she knows my answer I have said it soo many times on NL 'Salutation is not love' ![]() I still believe its bad manners to up and go into the kitchen of someone I met the night before..if a rapport had been built fine but without it full stop the chic reacting the way she did is in bad taste. Madam should probably not have confronted her but that's me and its presumptuous for me to think everyone is like me. I would be horrified if my kids went on a playdate and decided to help themselves to ice cream without asking the parents of their host. Like you soulglo one 'eye' from mummy at certain places means 'you eat that food if you dare' Even at home you ask before you take stuff.. Today one of my colleague left yoghurt in the communal fridge and wanted to have it for lunch alas it was nowhere to be found In my mind am thinking which kind of bad manners is that how can you just take something that you obviously did not put there. boundaries boundaries boundaries |
I am not sensitive about my kitchen cos you can't afford to be in this my busy schedule with no live in help.Once I have a house guest I show which freezer what and what is in, ,where crockery is etc etc. . That said there is decorum, boundaries and manners.Just cos I don't mind does not mean i will do the same in anyone's house (maybe except my mums house as I grew up there I guess) . Its good to be accommodating but the onus lies on both guest and host. I respect people's home as a guest.I won't take things without asking and I have had people say to me 'pls feel free' which I do but I still always consider them. Before I use the last fresh milk on the fridge for my tea i consider if there is a child in the house who might need fresh milk for their cereal the next morning. If my host forgets (like I do in my own house) I replace stuff that I notice is running low in the fridge. I clean up after myself cos I know I don't want to inconvenience them in their own house. The chic lacks manners what happened to 'aww I am so sorry (again I keyword here' I 'people are diff won't have confronted her) I did not want to bother you or wake you up'.. Some people just like conflict sha.On top another person's house. |
Uhhhmmm na wa o ![]() Sad story. May she rest in peace but soooo many lessons to be learnt from this story. Which kind of psychotic person locks up another human being (let's even forget wife) denies them food, contact with others? If not that going down the insanity route might be an easy cop out for this beast (yes I used that word) I would have said any human being who does such has quite a large no of screws loose up there. |
MirrorMirror:I heard the owner passed away in Nigeria but not sure if the store is open for business. Ewuro4:Real luxury when my mum comes visiting the clothes she brings(ankara iro and buba etc) never need ironing. .the kain ironing no be our own type here jare..I think its the starch ![]() |
Over the phone..we met through his cousin who was my very good male friend (more like an adopted bro).He was in a different city but we started talking over the phone and just hit it off.We kept saying we should actually see but I can be quite conservative about some things I never offered to travel down even though his schedule was tighter than mine. He decided to hop on the train and came down to London a few weeks after we started talking. So physically, we met at Walthamstow station Fortunately we were both not disappointed . After so many more train rides and plane journeys ( i went back to Nigeria) we got married 3 years later. |
EfemenaXY:Lucky family....everyone had toast or cereal AGAIN (I promise saturdays will be a nice cooked breakfast since everyone is rushing around week day mornings ) I promise to do an Efe next Saturday ![]() Was faraway by the time i saw this post but can always catch up on Iplayer. Ewuro and debosky are taking me down memory lane Daddy's gators were so sharp they could actually cut your fingers .I remember we all used to hustle to take out daddy's clothes to the washman you must always find change in his agbadas or danshikis that he will tell you to keep. Never in mummys though that woman's ijebu genes run deep.she no dey forget change sef ![]() |
edwife:Me too Jare don't mind him and over Sabi He even asked if Asian history too must be taught if we want inclusion as they too are a majority minority ethnic group in britain ![]() |
Oga I know it's kinda a face off now but your wife has to be the one who calls her family to order.Its not too wise of her to allow you be the one who has to face her family she is meant to be the mediator because as I always says no matter how we sugar coat she is their daughter.She is the one that grew up and spent the larger part of her early years with them.Even if they take offence with her it will be a bit more bearable than it coming from you. Hand it over to your wife she is the one who needs to grow some spine and set her family straight(believe me I know what I am talking about and this is coming from someone whose parents word was law for most of her life) |
Oh EfemenaXY:Some people are just gangster shaa ![]() |
moca:I will try not to be once I get up now il just throw myself into it.My series buddies who watches The Newsroom watched the last ever episode last night and I am so sad it's been discontinued. |
Sometimes bullies just need one dose of shock to reset their brain ![]() |
I can sooo feel this crying for ridiculous reasons ranging from not wanting to wear a jacket in -2 degrees to getting upset that the ketchup dropped on the chips (is the chips not going in the ketchup before shuo) I taya for toddlers o ![]() |
moca:No it's not for oyinbos alone o but when you sign you have to put in A UK address and postcode so I think that makes it kinda open to UK residents and citizens.abeg forward to your wife too the more the merrier.I am sooo lazy this morning. my brain is thinking of all I need to do but my body is saying 'I dont care' ![]() |
Hello everyone Edwife I have added my signature will share the link as well..when I signed up it was still at 30 something thousand thats still a long way away from 100k .Me and hubby had an argument last night though about what is black history? Is it the history of blacks in the united kingdom, african history(how will they incoporate all the wide range of nationalities cultures history etc without leaving out some people), colonialism etc etc..I just told him to stop arguing and just sign the b.loody thing ; Have a lovely weekend everyone |
dein77:You are welcome..like Ewuro said get a mature nanny or maid.It does not necessarily have to be a live in person. |
dein77:Oga Dein I am not attacking you o but I just need to point out something. I grew up with maids and people living with us. At most point while growing up (ok maybe not after I had finished uni) we always had maid (mostly 16 or over my mum would say she wants a maid not an extra baby) and they were treated like family(you don't have to believe me) so I know what you mean by treating well.We had maids who went on to higher education, some learnt trade from my mum and some were now comfortable enough to even buy aso ebi at my wedding .One even gave me money sef. I know I tend to idealise or make my dad out as some kind of Saint but that man was the epitome of humanity.I never saw my dad sit in 'owners corner' ever and his staff both in business and domestic were treated as he would treat his children. Sorry for my long epistle o i just needed to point out that i get the treating well.But you know what despite all this upon reflection (he treated all humans well )i realised he would go extra far above and beyond for us his children.Now that is not a bad thing in itself as it's natural human instinct. I am not judging it as well.You can treat your maid well but the truth is the sacrifices you would make in a heartbeat for your children without expecting anything in return will be seen as doing the maid a favour. I am not trying to judge you but really really and deep deep down you know the motive for this thread might not have been the same motive that 11 yr old was your child.I don't want to repeat all that has been said so far but try to get an older childminder to watch over not just your child but also the girl.Of course my 11 year old daughter (and son sef) will do chores but there is just this unease I have about under 16's watching lil children for long periods.For short periods once in a while is okay but lil children try the patience of Adults not to talk of an 11 yr old. |
Hi iyabodeh how are you holding up dear (((hugs))) Can see your holding up its well dear. This one ur indulging naijababe in her lenny kravitz fantasies ![]() I dey go sleep joor night night everyone |
armyofone:Sebi ur an army girl I did the same the first time I took my daughter to Nigeria.But she was a baby so you couldn't blame me.My mum had to say'whats your own no be here you comot from' I am not like that anymore jare I won't even buy over the top food to go to naija anymore.This trip I am talking I had cargoed like 2 boxes of stuff (baby cereals, rice cakes, pureed fruits, boxes upon boxes of diapers wipes etc etc) she did not even eat half of the food.My friend said I don't know how much I saved her that month Now they will eat whatever everyone is eating jare. |
Happy wedding anniversary CC ) |
naijababe:Yes naa..real gravy train. R231 I go holla when the time comes. I want you to rally all those your 'London big boys' to donate to my campaign fund. |
naijababe:Yes naa there must be one 'token' 'we are not racist' poster person after we use them to get public profile small we go just decamp(do they call it decamp or cross carpet here sef APC and PDP don full my brain ) go back to Labour or stand as independents Me I want to be MEP and I will contest from whatever consistuency Peckham is in (there is a reason Chuka Ummuna is the mp in streatham ).MP for house of commons is just long turenchi besides have you looked at the expenses allowances those MEPs get? |
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,my dear you are trying....
boundaries boundaries boundaries
(is the chips not going in the ketchup before shuo) I taya for toddlers o