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EMILO2STAY:
I ask you to shut up because you are a great pretender who shot himself on the foot bit refused to accept his own faults instead keeps asking me to explain things.
You must be hallucinating if you think I debunk my self, I challenge you to provide just one example of that.

Example of what exactly? Everything you've been saying here is rubbish all through.
You said the earth is flat, fine. Explain equinox and seasons, but no, you'd rather blab about some lost sailors 200 years ago.
Someone that has never been on a 6 storey building or even travel out of his local Nigerian state is here claiming the earth is flat.
You're a fool of yourself.

EMILO2STAY:
Shut up and stop asking me to explain anything. Have you you tried to debunk anything I said here? You are all asking explain this and that.

You lack manners.
Why should I debunk anything when you're doing a great job at that?
If you make wild claims, it's only natural that people will ask you to explain some things.
If you say, the earth is flat, it's only natural that people will ask you to explain why you can't see Eiffel Tower from the peak of Kilimanjaro, for instance. Or ask you to explain the reason we have winters in the northern hemisphere, while at the same time, it's summer in the southern hemisphere.
This is my response to your posts.

buzorcharles:
Mumu do u know how many ppl that gave up his church service due to this bad road. He no see road inside lagos or ogun state repair?

...while we have elected Governors in Lagos and Ogun states?

EMILO2STAY:
see when you want to argue with your teacher make sure you know what you are saying. just don't start talking nonsense or you will look like a fool.

now let me give you the whole quote

rowbotham quotes from Voyagers, who found that their charts based on a globular earth model, almost always put them off course in the south seas.

"" we found ourselves that very day from 12to16 miles by observation of our reckoning . another southern seafarer stated: "" by our observation at noon we found our selves 58 miles to the eastward of our reckoning in two days.""

the spherical earth chart did not account for the expanse of distance between the lines of longitude the further south travelled on the flat earth. consequently , the mariners true position on the earth , determined by using celestial navigation and a chronometer , was found to be off several degrees from the position on the chart that was plotted using dead reckoning.

one mariner detailed the distance that the erroneous charts, which assumed a globular earth, put them off course in the south seas

""" February 11th, 1822, at noon, in latitude 65.53. S. our chronometers gave 44 miles more westing than the log in three days. On 22nd of April (1822), in latitude 54.16. S. our longitude by chronometers was 46.49, and by D.R. (dead reckoning)47°11´: On 2nd May (1822), at noon, in
latitude 53.46. S., our longitude by chronometers was 59° 27´, and by D.R. 61° 6´. October 14th, in
latitude 58.6, longitude by chronometers 62° 46´, by account 65° 24´. In latitude 59.7. S., longitude by chronometers was 63°28´, by account 66°42´. In latitude 61.49. S., longitude by chronometers was 61° 53´, by account 66° 38´.""

So now deotr you see were your quote is coming from, So you just confirmed what I said about the problems of a globular earth.

I asked you to explain equinox using the flat earth theory, you haven't.
You kept pasting accounts of some sailors who found it difficult navigating the southern sea in1822. This is 2019 man!
That page you're referencing also stated the fact that sailors face the same difficulty in the Arctic region.
See, I've spent enough time with you already.
Just answer the questions others are asking you.

EMILO2STAY:
so for your mind now you know better than captain cook and Clark ross who spent three years going around Antarctica. if you try so hard to sound intelligent you will make yourself look like a fool.

the quote you put up there was made by Samuel rowbotham the author zetetic astrology; earth not a globe.

he quoted other voyagers who found that their chart , which used globular earth model, always put them off course in the south seas . that is the reason for their zig zag movement.

so for you to prove cook and ross false you must first explore the south oceans for years not sitting behind your keyboard and become a keyboard hero.

So because he said so, he must be right? I just punctured his claims by his own words.
You're the one in doubt, not me. So you should be the to on doubt clearing trip.
So the same false globular earth model also put sailors off course in the Arctic region, or you decided to ignore the fact that the tough navigation condition applies to both polar regions?
I'm done with this argument.

So Uncle Lai is not available right? Continue...

jacksonkennedy:
The North
The North
The North

How many times did I call you? You lead in every negative indices. There is no vice (except for HIV) that you are not number one.

From criminal leaders, poor education, nepotism, tribalism, religious bigotry, baby factory, kidnapping, drug abuse, child abuse, animal abuse, armed robbery, economic sabotage, communal clashes.

The north
The north
The north

Nigeria's bane.

There are more people in the north living with HIV

johnmattew:
which country is the rice coming from??....all countries that border norther Nigeria are all landlocked..u think it's easy for smugglers to move their gooods from seme border to niger republic to Nigeria?...isn't that suicidal?

Actually, it's easier, safer and cheaper to bring in Cars and other stuffs through Niger than Seme border.

EMILO2STAY:
how?. you must be joking.

For example, if you're traveling along the Equator from the GMT to longitude 15 degree west, the distance is roughly 1038 miles.
Now if instead of of sailing or flying just along the equator, you decide to travel 484 miles North to 7^N, then travel about 11774 miles south to 10^S. From there, 1035 miles due North to 5^N, then 760 miles South to 6^S, before traveling 415 miles to the destination. That's about 3870 miles, instead of 1038 miles.
That's the implication of traveling zigzagly instead on a particular route. That's about four times the original distance. I hope you can now why the Navigator travelled 69000 miles?
It's difficult sailing in the polar regions (Antarctic and Arctic). It's not peculiar to the southern ocean alone, so there's no point making point out of it.
And by the way, you're the one making wild claims that you can't verify.
Remember you can't still explain the equinox and solstices with flat earth model?

EMILO2STAY:
I said prove the author wrong stop typing to much just prove him wrong.

That's what I've been doing all along

IamAtikulate:
Pick any Hausa history book and check the 7 banza states of Hausa, you will be surpriesd to see them include Yoruba.

Some history books record it as Oyo while others as Ilorin.

Whichever one, the abokis see Yoruba as banzad

Not according to Sultan Bello.

EMILO2STAY:
some people just like to argue blindly. can you in any way prove that the navigator was wrong in his assertions.

have you been out to river Niger before?, not to talk of the antarctic oceans. I gave you writing down notes from people who have explored the seas long before your father's were born and your talking nonsense. pls to stop the argument prove it wrong.

Talk of being to River Niger. It might interest you to know that I was born and raised in Jebba.
I may not be a sailor, but commonsense should tell anyone that travelling "zigzagly", as evident in the Sailor's account didn't reflect the true distance along a particular latitude in the Antarctic region, but the difficulty of navigation, which is also the case with the Arctic region.
Do you even know how far it is to sail from latitudes 58 degree south up to 54, then back down to 65?

JonDon12:
I read about the second expedition and nowhere does Sultan Bello say anything about that.

The earliest written history of the Yoruba of Nigeria occurs in the Infakul Maisuri of Sultan Bello, the founder of Sokoto. He died in 1837. Arnet's (1929, 16) translation runs : "The people of Yoruba are descended from the Kanaana and the kindred of Nimrud. Now the reason of their having settled in the west, according to what we were told, is that Yaarubu son of Khatou drove them out of Irak...

Ignorance, they say, is a disease.
When Hugh Clapperton in his second expedition to Africa asked Sultan Bello about a people he encountered.
The Sultan told him that they're called Yarba... that they're said to be the remnants of the descendants of Canaan.
This is Sultan Bello telling Clapperton what he knows about the Yorubas, not that the Fulanis are the ones that gave us the name. FFK of all people should know better.

...the universe...the miracle of life.
It baffles me that people who knows how to calculate simple probability are the ones denying an intelligent design.
The probability that our world with all it's complexities, is a product of randomness is far less than impossible.
Someone was even saying the process went through trials and errors before perfection.
Sorry! The first error will put an end to the whole process if there's no Intelligent Being behind it.

The fact that these so-called atheists won't cease to remind us that there's no God anywhere is a testament to His existence.
I mean, if you say there's no God, you're right! Can we all go back to what we were doing?

EMILO2STAY:
what a funny man, your not serious. I gave accounts of some of the first people to have circumnavigated the world and you downplay it. So your telling me that the shape of the earth as experienced by these men have changed after the 19th century?. Or maybe you missed this part.

""the British navy challenger recently completed the circuit of the southern region which took 3yrs,covering a total 69,000miles a stretch long enough to have her 6times around the globe earth model.""


And in case you don't know, let me clear your ignorance.

people don't just believe in the flat earth because the bible said so, all religions and cultures believed the earth was flat before Copernicus pushed forth his theory. The five major religions had it in there text that the earth is a plane with a firmament or dome over it.
The flat earth map you see today was developed back in the year 1000AD by a Persian scientist known as al-biruni, it is known as the azimuthal equidistant map. This same flat earth map is used by the united states geologic survey (U. S. G. S) and the united nations. this same flat earth map is found in the white house situation room.
Brb

Stop calling people ignorant. To the best of my knowledge, you only know what you've been fed. Has anyone purposely sailed of fly any latitude South of the equator in recent times for you to conclude the circumference is larger than the equator?
You're still making reference to an 1822 voyage that has nothing to do with a dedicated trip to make the discovery. I searched and I found out that the ship in question was traveling in zigzag, not on a particular longitude. This is a quote I found about your claim

" February 11th, 1822, at noon, in latitude 65.53. S. our chronometers gave 44 miles more westing than the log in three days. On 22nd of April (1822), in latitude 54.16. S. our longitude by chronometers was 46.49, and by D.R. (dead reckoning)47°11´: On 2nd May (1822), at noon, in latitude 53.46. S., our longitude by chronometers was 59° 27´, and by D.R. 61° 6´. October 14th, in latitude 58.6, longitude by chronometers 62° 46´, by account 65° 24´. In latitude 59.7. S., longitude by chronometers was 63°28´, by account 66°42´. In latitude 61.49. S., longitude by chronometers was 61° 53´, by account 66° 38´."

It would be a miracle if he didn't get lost.
I also realized that the two worst places to sail are northern and southern latitudes. That means, the navigation problem is not peculiar to the southern seas.
...And please, the fact that some believe in flat earth because they believe that's what the Bible teaches is ridiculous. It's subject to interpretation and on careful scrutiny, it's not what the Bible implies.

EMILO2STAY:
Maybe you missed this part

""currently there exist an international treaty preventing all independent exploration of Antarctica, only approved guided tours exist which takes visitors to a few coastal regions but no independent exploration is allowed.
sailors like jarle andhoy have been caught attempting to explore Antarctica and threatened turned back at gun point, fined and jailed for violating the militarily enforced treaty.'""

And this one

"the British navy challenger recently completed the circuit of the southern region which took 3yrs,covering a total 69,000miles a stretch long enough to have her 6times around the globe earth model.
if the earth were a globe , then every line of latitude south of the equator will have to measure gradually smaller and smaller circumference the farther south it travels. in other words the circumference at 10° latitude south will comprise a small circle than at the equator. 20° latitude will comprise a circle smaller than10° and so on ..

but if the earth is flat the line of latitude south of the equator should measure gradually larger and larger circumference the farther south travelled. 10° south latitude will comprise large circle than the equator,20° will comprise larger than 10° and so on.
Also if the earth is a globe lines of longitude would bulge out at the equator while converging at the pole. but if the earth is flat lines of longitude would simply extend outwards straight from the north pole of which is actually the case."


"David warldlaw Scott wrote ,"" upon the principle taught by scripture and common observation that the world is not a planet but a consist of a vast land stretched out from the north and level seas , the north been the center of the system, it is evident the degrees of longitude would gradually increase in length the whole way from the north center to the icy barriers of the southern circumference .

in consequence of the difference between the actual extent of the longitude and that allowed for by he nautical authorities which difference at the latitude of the coast of good hope has been estimated to amount to a great number of miles . many ships and vessels have lost their reckoning and wrecked.
ship captains who have been taught the globular theory do not know how to account for their gaining of so much our of course in the south"".

I'm talking about 21st century expeditions, you're mentioning 19th century's account of some lost ships.
Has it been established lately that the circumference of anywhere below the equator is actually larger?
You have to fly or sail on a straight course to find that out.
It should not a rocket science to know the actual of the latitude at Cape Coast from end to end and compare with that of the equator.
I'm talking about an expedition dedicated solely for this, not a ship sailing from one port to the other.
Let me know when this has been done. I won't waste my time arguing other points like asking you to equinox and all (no reasonable flat earth answer for it yet).
I learned people actually believe the earth is flat because they thought that's what the Bible teaches. Well, they're certainly misguided. Nothing suggests that in the Bible.

EMILO2STAY:
some of you just come here to type for typing sake, have you read about admiral byrd? How did he explore antarctica, he did it more than once even taking military war ships and about a hundred men with immediately after his exploration the place was closed off.

Like I said earlier, people still go there for tourism. Even if the place is sealed up, I believe, sailing along the 60degree south from one end to the other will clear your doubt that the earth is not flat. If the distance is shorter than that on the equator, there you have your answer. If otherwise, we'll all agree the earth is truly flat.
Flat-earthers don't even have to go close to the Antarctica before discovering the truth. Forget everything you've known, measure the distance along the equator and then along the 60 degrees south. For your theory to hold true, the conference of any point below the equator as we know it, must be larger if the earth is disc-like. This is not too hard to figure out and doesn't require a trip accross or anywhere close to the Antarctic.[/quote]The sun cannot cover every area of the earth because it is not 400times bigger than the earth or moon, it is small and close about the same size with moon. Its light cover the areas directly below it the earth under it is too large for its light to reach every were so it moves clock wise about the earth.[/quote]Study the flat earth map again. With the sun being about 2159miles in diameter (according to you) and 3000miles above the earth, it won't set anywhere in the world. Not if the sun is rotating along the equator or the tropics as we know it.
Or maybe the sun is disc-like too?

A coded message that means something else.

@EMILO2STAY

You said no one has sailed all round the Antarctic in history, how do you know that if you flat-earthers have not tried?
At least I have some experience flying, and I've told you why flights don't go accross that barren land. The polar effects mess up your nav system. It's the windiest point on the planet so you you can imagine what flying across would be like. Now consider the fact that you're flying thousands of miles in these harsh conditions without any airport anywhere near. Where exactly would you land the plane in an emergency situation (it would be a miracle if you don't have one).
The coastline is said to be 11,000+ miles. At least if we can't travel across (assuming it's actually an ice wall as you claim), it's still possible to sail around it to measure the coastline. That should clear your doubt. But for now, the coastline, as we know it, is no where as long as an ice wall round the earth as you would want us to believe.
Please explain, using the flat earth model, how it's possible to have winters in London in December, while at the same time, it's summer in Australia?

I'm open-minded. I've considered the possibility that the sun is just 3000miles above the earth, and I can tell you, there won't sunset anywhere if the earth is flat.
It would have made some senses if you said the earth is somewhat like an hemisphere. Even at that, there would be questions to answer.

EMILO2STAY:
the rising and setting of the sun is best explained on the flat earth model. if u understand that the earth does not rotate but the sun which is small and local clearly not 93million miles away is rotating around the earth. which is the reason you can clearly see the clouds behind and around it. when it moves across the horizon taking with it its light to another location because it can only light up the place it is directly above.

I really don't have the luxury of time to argue back and forth.
With the flat earth model, the sun will never actually set anywhere. Not with the sun at 3000miles about the disc-earth.

in the flat earth model the arctic and antarctic phenomenon is easily accounted for in exactly what would be expected.
if the sun circles over and around the flat earth every 24hrs steadily travelling from tropics to tropics every 6months it follows that the northern central region would annually receives far more sunlight than the southern circumferential region.
since the sun must go over the larger south region in the same 24hrs it had to pass over the smaller northern region, its passage must necessarily be proportionally faster as well. this is why the antarctic morning dawn in evening are abrupt.
but in the extreme north twilight continues for hours
after sunset and for many mid summer night the sun does not set at all.

Dr Samuel robowtham wrote,"" if he sun is fixed and the earth rotates around it, the same phenomenon would exist at the same distance on each side of the equator but such is not the case. what can operate the cause of the latitude in new Zealand to be so much more sudden or the night colder than in england. the southern hemisphere cannot revolve more rapidly than the northern , their latitude are about the same and the distance around the globe would be the same at 50° south as at 50° north and thus the whole would revolve once in 24hrs . the distance at the two places would pass under the sun at the same velocity and the light would approach in the morning and recede in the evening in exactly that same manner. yet the very contrary is the fact.

If you attempt to explain seasons and equinox with the flat earth theory, you'll create more problems for yourself than your brain can handle. I hope you know the flat earth explanations are problematic?


About the flight routes. I know flying across the Antarctica is not prohibited. You can try it.

Asked about the drug scarcity, he said the situation was not the same as before, adding that any challenges the hospital still faces can be tackled if there was timely release of budgetary allocations to the clinic.

With the huge allocation going in to the clinic every year, except maybe the funds are embezzled as usual, paucity of funds should not even come up.
Even regular clinics with far less budget is that bad.

EMILO2STAY:
what safety reasons are you talking about?, that's it is too cold?, that is a very silly reason because planes fly in and around antarctica in case you don't know. But a no fly zone was placed in there you know why because you cannot fly across the antarctic. No explorer ever thorough out human history has flown or sailed across it. When you look at the ball earth map, antarctica is just a small piece of ice continent but on the flat earth map antarctica is a huge 360° running ice barrier in which no man has seen the ends of it.

The rising and setting of the sun is no big issue if you go though the thread you will see my answer about that.

What stops you from taking a flight to Antarctica? Last time I checked, it's only commercial flights that don't go anywhere there
And please, Antarctica is not just a small piece of land. It's larger than Europe in size. For safety reasons, commercial flights fly one hour within the next airport in case of an emergency. Do you know how bad the terrains and the effects of the pole can mess up navigation system?
I'm not aware anyone is stopping any explorer from flying or sailing to the place. You can try a vacation there.
As for the rising and setting of the sun, I've studied the flat-earthers explanations, but it doesn't add up. The Arctic will always experience day light all year round, and there won't even be sun set anywhere else for that matter.
We all know the set sets in the west. That won't be possible with your belief.
It makes no sense for a group of individuals to deceive the whole world in this age and time that the earth is spherical, when in fact, it's flat. To achieve what exactly?

EMILO2STAY:
what do you mean a road map? And why would plane not go every were?. If earth is round like a ball then we are supposed to have planes flying across the antarctic from one continent to the other. Have you ever in your life heard that a plane flew from Chile south america to australia?, or have you ever heard in your entire life time that any one has crossed over the antarctic end to end. The oceans has no edge, it ends were they meet with the ice walls.

For safety reasons, flights don't go through Antarctica.
A flight along the Equator is a better option. If flying from East to West takes you back to your point of take off, isn't that an enough prove? I mean, it doesn't have to be through the South pole.
Instead of beating about the bush, I'd expect people to ask you to explain the rising and setting of the sun.

mercyvivv:
Dino is gone! The worst malady to befall him was that rerun in the lifetime of Yahaya Bello's sitting as a governor. Bello will gladly lose his own governorship ambition than allow Dino win. Never!

If Bello is capable of that, we won't even be talking about a rerun election right now.

imam07:
I dont know what kind of curse is on okun people and kogi in general. Both Dino and Smart are error. If okun people are here, u better listen. If u allow Smart to return, u own don pafuka. Because nah all ur constituency money will go for smart abandon projects in ilorin. Smart returns will belike return of abija.

Royal Shekinah and Kingstone Grand Suites come to mind.

This is commendable.
This is the only good thing I've seen Buhari doing since 2015.
I think for the next 50 years, it should be a matter of national policy, irrespective of political party in power, at least, 300km of standard gauge railway line should be constructed every 4 years.

senatordave1:
I agree.hes not owing as much as being speculated.ortom and ikpeazu are owing more and he has executed more projects yet the media has painted him black already and the populace have bought into that wrong perception.its just like the overexaggeration of the herdsmen menace

Are you from Kogi or living anywhere near?
Herdsmen menace over-exaggerated you say?

rottennaija:
And they also have to challenge themselves too. If you aim higher, you land somewhere better

Well, it's much better to set realistic goals.
With 76% of the budget being on recurrent expenditures, and budget implementation at 60% (90% of which would be on recurrent expenditures), barring any miracle, we should know what to expect next year already.
If the government can't find a creative way to generate new streams of revenue, at least, they should cut their expenses.

rottennaija:
Don't forget, throughout those 6 years, the budget performance especially in revenue generated compared to expected is just about 60 percent.

That's not our fault. They knew our revenue base before preparing the budget.

omenka:
Conjectures arent applicable in this situation. The data is available. Do the math and tell us if you imagine the factors are insignificant.

Using the average exchange rate between 1999-2015 for PDP and 2016-2019 for APC, in just 6 years in government, APC has spent about 53% of the 16 years budget of PDP.

omenka:
Conjectures arent applicable in this situation. The data is available. Do the math and tell us if you imagine the factors are insignificant.

Have you done the math already to come to the conclusion that the factors are significant?