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I put this up while you were away on "sabathical". I was trying to get the train of your thoughts on the discuss you had on Hebrew 7. Have you seen it?

MostHigh: Maybe heb 7:12 may shed more light

Thus saith Hebrew 7:12

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

So what exactly in Hebrew 7:12 supports neo-Judaism? What in that scriptures gives the impression that there are laws to keep in the new testament. Read. It is in English and not greek: Priesthood changed; laws changed. Priesthood of Aaron to that of Christ and his saints. Laws from that of Moses to the Law of Spirit of Life or law of liberty. So...?

Bidam: And that is why i don't want to enter into unnecessary debate with these guys. Goshen conveniently dodged my post in the righteousness thread where i quoted the Pauline epistle and he's now here talking about learning from my pastors.SMH!. To say the ten commandments has been abolished is not only unscripturally nonsensical but is preposterous.No where in scriptures from Genesis to revelation is it written and that is the gospel truth.

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Read Hebrew 7:12 again: Change of law and then read 2 Corithians 3 with an unveiled heart and see that the answer to your position that is bolded above

3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart. 4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones (ten commandment), was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away (being abolished, Bidam I hope you can read): 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away (again we see it, abolished - except done away and abolished are not synonymous) was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished (now if you say done away is not abolished, here we have abolished, in black and white): 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read (Moses being read cannot be only the ten commandments, but every thing in regard to the Mosaic law), the veil is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty (the foundation for a law of liberty). 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord (this is true holiness and sanctfication, what the Spirit of the Lord does. Not what your rules and regulations succeed in doing; nor the keeping of outdated and obsolete laws.

Now, the scriptures that Paul wrote which you claimed Goshen did not repond to, that support the keeping of the law, can only be understood when you get what Paul is saying here. In Romans 3:21 - 31, for example, after discussing the foundation of the great doctrine of Justification by faith, Paul made this statement:

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

And I think it was among one of the scriptures you quoted for Goshen. Now, this scripture, like many others, can be quoted out of context to support the judaistic agenda that Paul was calling Christians to keep the law. Far from it: the only way to interpret this scripture is by looking at it in the whole context of the chapter: Justification by faith (being counted righteous by believing without doing) is the only foundation to living right before God. Notice he said we establish the law; not that we keep the law. There was a purpose for sending the law; a literal keeping of the mosaic system has been shown to fail this purpose. However, in Christ, as a justified saint, you can now establish the law - you can fulfill the purspose for sending the law. It was the same thing he was saying in 2 Corinthians 3 that is quoted above, when he said it is the Spirit that change us from glory to glory. The glory of the law was ever diminishing from the time of Moses; the glory of grace is ever increasing from the time we are saved.

Now Romans 3 did not end with verse 31; it continued into Romans 4, where the great truths of justification by faith, using Abraham, is taught: read

1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness (Genesis 15:6). 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Please take note of what Paul said David said of a man who is justified by faith: his sins are covered. God will not impute sin on such a man. That is why when the most "holy" OLAADEGBU comes here and vaunts about some people not repenting and thinks such people are not converted. I laugh. The man is still in the OT. Justification by faith means sins are covered; sins are washed away by Christ blood not your tears; sins are not imputed; When I have found peace with God at conversion, why do I worry about sins God has taken care of.

So, Bidam, I answer you and not MostHigh and OLAADEGBU, because I think you can still be redeemed from this law mentality, the other two are already lost in it. Paul main doctrinal position was Justification by faith through grace; where nothing in the law could make anyone right before God. However, Paul did employ some aspects of the law to teach Christian sanctification (because justification is not lawlessness, regardless of what MostHigh rants)and also did encourage some Christian virtues not found in the law but which are written on our hearts as believers. When you read the practical aspects of Paul's writing, if you are a believer, you would realize that without even reading or learning Paul, you had been doing these things.

Cheers

^ Wow, Obadiah that is some position you took on 1 Corinthians 4. But I am not sure many of us will agree with you.

Tgirl4real: The role of law bi ti bawo?

Bi ti OLAADEGBU ni O, my sister.

It is only in his church THE ROLE OF THE LAW IS USED TO BRING ABOUT THEIR SALVATION.

In other sound churches and the bible, the role of the law was to show man his utter sinfulNess and the need for a Savior.

Candour: You are welcome dear sister.Thanks for the compliment.

Dont mind DrummaBoy.You should take away his drum and report him to his daughter

God bless

Tgirl4real: Wow!

I wont be able to do that right away. I promise to look for a good article that addresses the topic and I will send it to you.

You are in naija right?

Nigeria all the way!!!

I live and work in Ibadan. That brown roof city.

I continue with this contribution I made to a discuss on tithing in another thread:

1 Corinthians 4: 9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. 10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. 11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; 12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: 13 Being defamed, we entreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

Please take note of what Paul describes were the lifestyle of Apostle of the Lamb

1. They hunger and thirst; in other words they find themselves broke in ministry.

2. Naked: not three piece suits O; they cannot afford to buy simple clothings

3. No dwelling place: they cannot afford a rent. Not that they built palaces; but they were homeless; all of this serving the Lamb.

4. They labor with their hands: they were not on full time ministry; they worked.

The question is this: if they had tithe money to spend will they have endured these sufferings? Contrast them with our modern day pastors.

The truth that tithe proponents miss is that church history has it that ministers in the early church worked and that paying clergies only started 400 years after Christ; and that tithe collecting began 700 years after Christ.

Tithe collection is not biblical; it is defunct and obsolete; it is not meant for New Testaments believers in Jesus.

Now I had stated in my expose of verse 10 that it was neccesary for the apostle to be abased so that his listerners be exalted. And I argued that we should see the same in the lives of our modern ministers. But I wish to show in here that Christ apostles were not super rich individuals; for some reason best known to God, and I do not say that this is how all ministers must live, they were actually an object that people could be ashamed of (v.12):

1 Corinthians 4:11 - Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; 12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: 13 Being defamed, we entreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

Filth of the World; Ofscouring of all things

What could this phrase mean?

At this moment I wish to refer to Jesus' statement on the apostle when he was being called into ministry

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: 16 For I will show him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Jesus' words to the disciples before going to heaven:

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Paul's own admission

Phillipians 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God. 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

And many other scriptures that depicts the fact that the apostles suffered for Christ sake and if we ourselves will make a mark for Jesus, we must endure shame and suffering for Him.

I have mentioned this before but I wish to mention it again: the two greatest impediment to the gospel of Jesus Christ today is the Prosperity Gospel and the Holiness Movement. In this case my emphasis is on the prosperity gospel. The challenge with this gospel is not even with their messages and lifestyle, it is the fact that they stop Christians from fulfilling God's mandate for them. Another story:

In my undergraduate days I read a book 70 Great Christians by Goeffrey Hanks. The author recounted the stories of great Christians from Peter and Paul to modern day believers. He told the story of many missionaries. One of them (I cannot remember his name anymore) was a 2nd World War veteran. He was with the air fore. After the war, he decided to buy a plane and use it to take the gospel to some forgotten tribes in South America. He went there with his wife and some other missionaries. The tribe they planned to evangelize was carnivorous. They prayed and put a plan forward to win these people over first by using the plane to drop food and gifts for these people. This they did for sometimes and they people began to respond to them. When the plane appears, these carnivorous people will come out and cheer to receive the gifts.
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Then one day, the missionaries decided it was time to approach these people. They flew into the village and landed. The missionary radioed his wife that the people, with the chiefs were approaching them and that they were going to get back to them (his wife and other at the mission base). After waiting for some hours and it was becoming dark, the wife began to panic, not having heard anything from her husband. They radioed the united states navy and armed forces who sent some forces to rescue some Americans lost in South America.

When they will eventually reach the village, the village was disserted. There was no sign of missionaries or villagers. The plane was found intact though. Till today, those missionaries were never found. It was presumed that the villagers ate them. The news became a big scandal in America in the 50s/60s; and somewhat of a blemish on mission work among Americans who are naturally avast to Christianity.

This did not stop this missionary's wife. Two years later, she landed on that same Island/Village and preached the gospel to the savages. That village was won to Christ.

Goeffrey Hanks used this term often "Christian's blood is seed" to describe how the gospel grew in spite of persecution of Christians in the first century. Christian blood is still seed today.

The reason why the gospel is so ineffective today is because we have shielded ourselves from the main propagating force of the gospel: tribulation and suffering. This is not a call to invite unnecessary suffering into our lives for the sake of the gospel. God richly gives us things for our enjoyment. But when the Christian sees shame and suffering as integral to his discipleship and work for Christ, he is a better tool in God's hands.

Tgirl4real: Of course, I know that scripture will come up, but you need to look at the entire chapter, even from chapter 12 to get it in context. There's a msg Paul was passing accross there, i.e. pursue that which is for the common good and personal edification.

Moreover, like every gifts of the Spirit, tongues should come as the Spirit leads, but I bet you if I ask you to speak in tongues now, you will repeat the same thing you have been speaking since, which goes to show that what you speak has been learnt overtime and it's no longer inspired and can be equal to gibberish.

You also need to look at the history and purpose of tongues. Tongues is a sign to unbels.

Sir, just as you studied tithe, look into this issue again. I pray God enlightens you.

OK.

When you have time, or even now, will you show me what you mean? The traditional understanding is that tongues edify. I would like to know your take on it comprehensively.

Tgirl4real: Sir, there is no gift of the Spirit that is for personal edification. Gifts of the Spirit are for the edification of the church.

My dear sister when I made the statement, I actually was refering to this scripture:

1 Corinthians 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Tgirl4real: Funny thing, I already recommended it to d mod for homepage. I hope it is considered.

Thanks

Can we honestly, without bias, say that Paul the Apostle, Peter, John, James and other apostles of Christ, whose lives were recorded in scriptures collected tithe? When James discussed the thing permitted for Gentiles in Acts 15 was the tithe named amongst them? Did Jesus collect tithe?

The biggest argument by pro-tithers is that there should be food in God's house but a famous apostle of Christ had this testimony:

1 Corinthians 4: 9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. 10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. 11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; 12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: 13 Being defamed, we entreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.

Please take note of what Paul describes were the lifestyle of Apostle of the Lamb

1. They hunger and thirst; in other words they find themselves broke in ministry.

2. Naked: not three piece suits O; they cannot afford to buy simple clothings

3. No dwelling place: they cannot afford a rent. Not that they built palaces; but they were homeless; all of this serving the Lamb.

4. They labor with their hands: they were not on full time ministry; they worked.

The question is this: if they had tithe money to spend will they have endured these sufferings? Contrast them with our modern day pastors.

The truth that tithe proponents miss is that church history has it that ministers in the early church worked and that paying clergies only started 400 years after Christ; and that tithe collecting began 700 years after Christ.

Tithe collection is not biblical; it is defunct and obsolete; it is not meant for New Testaments believers in Jesus.

Orikinla: Yes.
Our Lord and Messiah Jesus Christ paid tax.

Okeyz, answer to this one: Jesus paid tax!

Hmmm?...

Hello Moderator

I do not do this all the time but this time I recommend this thread for front page

https://www.nairaland.com/1373993/bus-preacher-queen-coast

I will return to this discourse soon. Been so pre-occupied these days.

^Wetin I do na?

No be simple fill in the blanks exercise?!!!

idnoble135: Ok? You also believe in speaking in tongues. Thats good. But permit me to ask, who are the others like him?

idnoble135: Ok? You also believe in speaking in tongues. Thats good. But permit me to ask, who are the others like him?

B4 I answer that let me say this: many think Pentecostalism came from Hagin and Copeland. Far from it. The Pentecostal experience started at Azuza La in early 20th century. They were mostly men not biblical sound but had the anointing. God will use many other men until Hagin and the faith teachers came.

Hagin and others brought in a variant of pentecostalism, with emphasis on faith. Many original Pentecostal didn't buy their theology.

Idahosa brought the likes of Oral Roberts and Copeland to Nigeria in d 70s and d fire of faith teaching began.

The error of faith teaching is not just the exacting of d will; but the emphasis on man using God: thus the PROSPERITY GOSPEL.

So find prosperity teachers and faith teachers in town and your neighborhood and U will know those like Hagin I am talking about.

[quote
author=ayoku777]You don't like Kenneth Hagin? How so? Won't call him my mentor though
but I've listened to a lot of his teachings and don't have much to
disagree with.[/quote]Its not about liking him per se. It is about his teachings. I grew up hearing Hagin here and there and my present Pastor is a Hagin fan. But the problem is with his faith teachings.

Faith is most of what Hagin taught and therein is the error. Hagin never admitted it but he has been alleged to have stolen his teachings form the works of E W Kenyon and Mary Eddy Baker, founder of Christian Science.

Many have likened Hagin faith emphasis to New Age teachings where humans can exact sheer mind will on an object of belief and see result. I have read a book that teaches this without mentioning Jesus once. Hagin seem to have only upgraded this with biblical verses, like Baker and Kenyon before him.

A simple Google and wikipedia study will show U some these things.

These men are just men but we have d bible

^ To being Kenneth Hagin into this discuss is to do disservice to the discussion. That man's teaching, with many like him, have been proven to be unblical.

Let us limit ourselves to scriptures.

I believe in speaking tongues. I do myself. It build up one's faith and edifies the inner man. Through it we give thanks tO God well. We also pray mysteries to God - the Spirit helping us.

shdemidemi: Wot haff I do

@drummaboy

Sorry jare Demi

I used the 'but' to connect the two sentences.

Not that U have a but, U be correct guy jare.

The People with but know themselves

Fill in the blanks

OL...

Most...

I find it difficult to comprehend why Churches will tax their members through tithes, a kind of tax in the OT, but frown @ giving tax to the government.

Okeyz, sir, the church benefits from the state as much as the individual on the street. So if citizens are taxed on their business why not churches?

It has got to be ROMANS

Justification by Faith

Romans 1:16;17;

Romans 3:21-31

Romans 4:4,5

Romans 5:1

Romans 5:17

Romans 8:1

And

Romans 12:1,2

Than others follow

Tgirl4real: Let's not make this thread unnecessarily long.

Goodmorning sirs.

It cannot be helped. It is the nature of trinity debates.

The primary disccussants are not even here, deep and Anony, and we have turned the thread to another thing: I hope Deep returns quickly to reply Anony before thread turns to world war.

Lol!!!

Sometimes I think we are saying the same thing in these trinity debates.

But if we disagree, please can either side show me how a wrong concetptualization of the person God and Jesus actually affects our devotion as believers.

Candour, you are so very right.

This episode is a reflection of the religiousity of Nigerians. A religious life without substance.

How many of these people really know Christ as Lord. When U know Him, U will not be taken for granted like this.

People continue to be taken advantage of religiously as long as they do not know God.

Unfortunately it is moving into NL too with this new craze for visions of heaven and hell. The bible is no longer enough.

It is a pity. smh...

Tgirl4real: Thanks sir. I don't consider myself a poet, but I dey try sha. I hope u will leave a comment sometimes.

Se we are not derailing our bro demi's thread so.

Moderator job is strictly voluntary and we work from home. Only the super mods are paid. We do get a token in form of airtime from tym to tym. That just started last Dec. I have benefitted twice. Dec and on my bday in March.

No, we are not paid.

I am sure Demi will not mind; he is a correct guy . But...

VOLUNTEER KE?

With all the dollars Seun is making. Haba?!

That guy should be court mashalled!!!

Anyway I am happy for you O.

The level wey me I reach now, na make God help me set up my own business O. This 30 days make one pay no be am at all... but its good to start somewhere sha.

All the best!

I saw this story on Sahara Reporters by one Norman Obinna that gave me a good laugh. Please enjoy reading it and beware of fraudsters in Lagos

The Bus Preacher Vs The Queen Of The Coast

By Don Norman Obinna

As you are about to read this column, thank God wholeheartedly if you are among those he has delivered from boarding public buses. The menace associated with this act, to say the least is exasperating. Apart from the driver’s/conductor’s nuisance which you have no choice but to tolerate, you also have these obnoxious and guileful brown envelop carrying preachers to contend with.

Apparently, religion has become the opium of the people simply because of the government dereliction of its statutory obligations. The more people are impoverished, the more they become impressionable to all sorts of messages in the name of the gospel. The more unemployment accelerates the more young men and women resorts to self-serving preaching as a means of survival.

It is so loathsome to say the least that this is done without considerations for the passengers’ susceptibilities. Beside the badly spoken English language mostly used by some of them to convey the message and saliva often poured on passengers sitting close-by, the content of their messages are oftentimes contradictory to the real gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

My experience inside these public buses these past few weeks my car broke down upon my return from Abia state because of bad roads is not palatable at all but, at least I found this particular one very interesting to share with you on this column. The day was Friday last week and the weather also was not too convivial. I hurriedly boarded a bus heading to Ikeja from Obalende, to at least avoid being drenched by the rain which at that point had already started drizzling. Sitting beside me was a young man wearing a faded but well ironed suit probably in his 40’s. As the bus was about to move, this young man stood up and greeted everyone in the bus. His mission was to preach the gospel which according to him, he has been doing for the past 20 years.

As he was about to commence preaching, he ordered the men putting on caps to put them off, while the women he commanded to cover their heads as a sign of respect to the presence of God which he boasted was already overflowing in the bus. I was totally dismayed by the alacrity with which almost everybody in the bus complied with this command. After the praying bout and indecipherable tongue speaking, the shout of “Halleluiah” rented the entire bus as he commanded passengers to wave their problems away by waving unto the Lord.

Trust Nigerians, the compliance was very tremendous. Buoyed by this, he commandingly introduced himself as a prophet of God sent to deliver people, especially passengers from bondage and accident causing demons. He indirectly derided the passengers as people of little faith and challenged God to physically manifest his power in this bus if indeed he is God’s servant. His preaching to those willing to listen was on the powers and the manipulations of evil forces and marine spirits.

As we got to the middle of Third Mainland Bridge, he stopped the preaching abruptly and started mumbling. Quietly but with a strong voice he said, “I perceived the presence of the queen of the Coast in this bus”. Gullibly some shouted, “The blood of Jesus”. At this point, the prophet violently began to bind and loose and subsequently demanded that all eyes should be closed. Suddenly there was this horrific scream which interrupted the prayer and forced every eyes opened.

Behold, it emanated from a beautiful, fair in complexion and smartly dressed lady sitting at the rear seat of the LT 35 bus. With her eyes ablaze with contrived anger and contorted face, she pointed at the so called man of God and declared, “This is my territory and how dare you think you can stop me? You dare not disparage my kingdom henceforth, understand! She yelled at the prophet. In fact, you must be extremely discernable to understand that this was a contrived plot ingeniously executed by two guile fellows just to extort gullible and unsuspecting passengers in the name of God.

At this point, there was an uneasy calm inside the bus; passengers were already jittery, especially those sitting at the rear seat with the so called queen of the coast. Expectedly the prophet replied in a commanding tune “shut up you blood sucking demon from the marine world. I come against you in the name of our Lord Jesus”. With her eyes fixed on the preacher, the lady laughed scornfully and wanted to utter some words, but the so called prophet cuts in. “I seal your mouth with heavenly super glue. And by the power vested upon me as the oracle of Jehovah the most high God, I put you into temporary sleep in the mighty name of Jesus” he commanded. But trust Nigerians, almost everybody was too nervous to chorus Amen, at least not in the middle of the lagoon. It will be like insulting someone right in her compound. “God of Elijah, Fireeeeeeeeeee,” He thundered. Lifting his hands above his shoulders he continued, Jehovah! No be you bi the snake wey dey swallow snake? The burning fire, oya! Gbooosshhaa!

After putting up a little resistance, the mighty queen of the coast staggered a bit and suddenly fell into sleep as commanded by the prophet. Much to the relief of the passengers, especially those at the rear seat who kept shouting, “Thank you Jesus”. Buoyed by the ingenuousness of the passengers the prophet continued, “The Lord did not lead me into this bus accidentally. I am here to save your souls from this blood sucking demon from hell”. Pointing at the queen of the coast, he continued. Her plan was to cause a fatal accident and subsequently remit blood to her insatiable kingdom, but the Lord has a counter plan.” Praise the Lord” he thundered in heavily Edo accent. But people responded pragmatically.

In fact, the passengers’ subservience to this prophet was so nauseating to say the least. The fact that almost everyone acted as if they were under spell made me quiver with anger. I shook my head in disbelief; does this mean that Nigerians go to church in vain? I mumbled to myself rhetorically. At least the bible is replete with compendious information about God and his modus operandi. No wonder the bible says “my people perished because of lack of knowledge”. I concluded frustratingly.

After some abracadabra and fake spiritual demonstrations, the prophet cleared his throat and began to prophesy, this time in outdated English language reminiscent of the King James Version. “There is a man in this bus, who loves everything and anything in skirt. Repent ye son of man for the anger of God is come upon ye and your end shall be worst than your beginning”. He warned repeatedly. With his eyes firmly closed and arms fidgety he continued, “There is a young lady in this bus whose plan is to spend this weekend with a man who is not her husband. Thou shall try it not as ye may not be alive to tell the story”. But before he could conclude the statement; the gullible had shouted, “It is not my portion in Jesus name”.

My frustration grew further at this point; how can people be so dumb? Of course a man having so many bed partners or a lady planning to spend weekend in a man’s house on a Friday are commonly acceptable social activities in Lagos; albeit religious people who will argue on the contrary. So it is expected that a bus carrying approximately 23 passengers will have all manner of people on board. I was so disappointed that people could not figure out that this man was psychologically manipulating them in the name of God.

As I sat still pondering the matter with my eyes fixed on the so called prophet, he sneaked a surreptitious glance at me. Absolutely noticing my slightly protruded stomach, he continued. “Thank you Jesus. Oh! There is a young man here with a pot-belly, hummmmm! How long shall thou continue to imbibe alcohol? I see death coming like a whirled wind. But thank God your deliverance has come. It shall not be your portion, in the mighty name of Jesus” he shouted. The chorus of Amen like a thunder rented the bus once again to my sheer trepidation.

At this point I was indignant and was almost stirred to protest, but quickly subjected my temperament under control. Apparently aware of my disposition, the so called prophet threw a light-hearted banter just to placate me and also ameliorate the almost tensed atmosphere in the bus.

Noticing that he was running out of time, he hurriedly asked everyone to bow down their heads for prayer. After the prayer, he afterward brought out a large quantity of brown envelops and cajoled passengers to give cheerfully to the Lord of harvest who is seeking for that faithful person to bless abundantly according to his riches in Christ Jesus.

Absolutely astonished by the passengers’ response, he tactically admonished them on the power of seed. And thereafter challenge them to try God with their seeds. He mentioned all kinds of seed and their ripple effects and encouraged the passengers not to miss this wonderful opportunity with the Lord for a last minute miracle. Of course the acquiescence was amazing. Smiling, he asked everybody to lift their hands up for benediction.

As he shouted in the name of Jesus, behold there was a heavy sneeze; alas, the queen of the coast is back to consciousness again staring at everyone to the consternation of the passengers. As he turned his attention towards her, he amorously asked, “Are you ready for your salvation now”? Humbly the queen of the coast nodded in affirmative. “Are you ready to abjure marine spirit and accept Jesus as your Lord and saviour”? The prophet asked, this time more intimately. Yes, she replied covering her face with her palm.” Do you desire a total deliverance from the marine world”? He asked yet again, encouraging her to speak up. Crying, she replied “yes”. “In that case you will follow me to my church immediately” he ordered the lady.

At this point, the prophet leapt for joy and ordered everybody to put their hands together for the Lord. As this was going on, he beckoned the queen of the coast to rise onto her feet and follow him. He gleefully thanked everybody in the bus for granting him audience. And the next thing we heard was, “driver owa oooO! 7up mo ti fe bole. I could not help but laugh uncontrollably as the queen of the coast hurriedly alighted from the bus with her man. Did I hear someone say ‘a perfect drama filled with contrivances of plot?’ Lagos na waa!

- http://saharareporters.com/article/bus-preacher-vs-queen-coast-don-norman-obinna

Goshen360: Enjoy the gift of God while it last for you. I thought some will say in order for God to open windows of heaven for you, you have to tithe and sow some dangerous seed offerings.

You know Goshen I feel compelled to tell this story of mine. I hear people say things like they tithed and got some breakthrough. Well, yes, while I tithed my finances improved. But even when I stopped it is still getting better but that is not my story.

I live and schooled in northern Nigeria. I met Jesus on campus and there I was introduced to tithing. But one day while studying scriptures, particularly somewhere in Deutoronomy, I came across the story of the people of Edom. God showed me that despite Edom's unfaithfulness and his not being the blessed one of Isreal's children, it was still incubent on him to bless him and his people. So he gave the hill country of Seir to the children of Edom and commanded Isreal not to take their inheritance from them because they were descendants of Esau.

The implication of this is simple. Like Jesus said God will send his rain to the good and the bad. God is faithful with his provision and provides for all his creation. Then it struck me: If God will provide for unfaithful Esau, how much more you and I, bought by Jesus Christ. Tithe or no tithe, God will provide for His own. This is my testimony.

One of the scriptures that God gave me that sealed forever my doubts over to tithe or not to tithe is this one

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

God is faithful. It is out of a deep sense of God's generosity that leads us to support gospel work. There is a sense in it that tithing gives people the impression they have "settled" God and are now released to do whatever they like with their money.

Tgirl4real: Lol

I thot u were gonna ask if it will affect my participation here. I have a job presently so I am not starting immediately. I will probably ask for an extra hand in family.

I am tempted to ask and since I have the profound privilege of interacting with a moderator, I would like to know how you guyz do your job. Do you work from home? Or you report at Seun's office? How much does he pay you (U may choose not to answer that) .

Just for laughs.

BTW, I scanned through your blog and I am following it too. I like some of the poems you wrote.

Tgirl4real: I went for an interview yesterday after series of written tests that seem unending....

The good news is that, I got the job. Yippie!!!

I'm grateful to God.

Congratulations.

Does it affect your continuing to be moderator?

Thanks noble and jacob. I hope your contributions will help the discuss

Boomark: @Drummerboy

I like the way you stuck with knowing the truth even when philosophers are here trying laugh/convince you.

If you don't know the meaning of Godhead, you will not understand what this means "Jesus is a deity but not God(the Father). Non has ever countered it since i started showing them the true meaning of Godhead(the nature of the Father) which they erroneously believe consist of 3 persons.

Even when put on your trinity nature, you will be just helpless against it. It is a solid rock not philosophy of men. You will be surprised to also know those who are in Christ have the fullness of the Godhead in them through Christ. Just go and see them below.

www.nairaland.com/1318987/trinitarian-disrespect-god/9

www.nairaland.com/1127181/jesus-christ-servant-god-trinity/12

This is something I am not about to rush into believing or not. Remember I still consider myself trinitarian but I appreciate the argument that emphasizes the Father as the Almighty God more from this discourse. Those threads can be difficult to peruse but I would make time for them. But you could chip in your own thoughts too on the theses "Jesus is Deity but not God (the Father)".

Thanks.