₦airaland Forum

4 years later.

excanny:
I was expecting some explanation after you said 'Yes'. Could you enlighten us how this is possible?

Trade, war, relationships, diplomats. And we know that Edo people share a lot of words with Igbo people.

madprof:
Let's create our own parallel FIFA and push Blatter and his gang out of business. FIFA doesn't have the influence of the UN and people still dey disobey UN & nottin' dey happen. FIFA is giving themselves too much relevance. Who polices FIFA, by the way? That is not to excuse the lapses in our sports administration.

If you don't like their organisation, then why are you abusing them when they kicked you out? The sense on this thread is marvellous, imagine people being corrupt as they want and they're surprised when an organisation doesn't want to see the sight of them associated with their name.

Nigerian mentality is the worst.

ChinenyeN:
Well, their thoughts? Some just want non-indigenes to give way (not necessarily leave though) and stop politically marginalizing Ngwa & Co. Others are fed up with Ohnuhnu presence and want an exodus. Most, to nearly all disagree with the current Abia arrangement, and everyone just wants their land to be their land again, because to them, they don't feel like the area is respected as "their land".

What should the Nike and Ngwo people do then? Or even the Ikwerre? Not even forgetting the small ethnic groups in Lagos. You can't attach tribal affiliations to a cosmopolitan city. In developed countries, indigenous peoples are only concerned with making sure the city knows its boundaries and that their rural life is not tampered with. How are the Ngwa people being disrespected with their land?

asha 2:
[/b]



If you read my post you will actually see that the Owerre people have no issue about this.

For Onicha na for mouth i dey hear there own although they do not seem serious about it.More like occasional statement.

Aba's case seem to to be taking a dangerous dimesnion .

Look at what  a colunmist wrote here

I understand that Ngwa youths are now trying to turn the activities of criminals among them into a political “agitation”. They are asking non-Ngwa people who are mostly fellow Igbos, to “leave” Aba for them.

They are now copying the Ikwerre people who, after the Igbo people built up Port Harcourt before the war, they started agitating that all non-Ikwerre people should leave the city for them.

The onset of the civil war became a great bounty, as the Federal Government rewarded them for their support by allowing them to confiscate “abandoned” property.

I understand that is what some misguided Ngwa politicians are dreaming of, a dream that will surely turn into a nightmare. Remember, in 2003, some Ngwa politicians started calling their clan “Ngwa Ethnic Nationality”, and were even insinuating, just like the Ikwerre, that they were no longer Igbos!


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/10/aba-a-dying-city/

I am  personally the type that likes a problem been settled when it starts showing signs before it becomes a monster.



You know there was a thread where you asked 'i heard that non indigenes are living aba,is it true'

i wondered why you asked that question.

Oh, you're talking about some of the Onicha people that will stand up one day and say they're not Igbo, then the next day they pretend like nothing happened? The only way these Igbo groups should be judged is through their leaders (and the support they have from their people).

Can we really take anything serious from aggressive 'young people' in Aba with the anarchy the city has become? Whoever these touts are talking about people should leave "their land" should be discredited by every sensible non-mad Igbo person there with a reasonable knowledge of history, even Port Harcourt. Did Aba and Port Harcourt industrialise independently or was it not with the influx of other Igbo groups into the cities and most importantly Enugu's coal industry leading to the mapping of the railway through their lands? These people should sit down.

excanny:
Earlier i gave an example of a shared word 'okwuta/okwute' that exists not only between Igbo, Yoruba and bini but across most of the southern cultures(urhobo, isoko, etc) and it means the same thing- stone.

But there are shared words between Igbo and Yoruba that don't exist in bini, or any of the intermediary cultures between them. How come?

In Igbo me is 'Muwa'
In French me is 'moi'

In Igbo land is 'Ala'
In Tikar (of Cameroon) land is 'Ala'

In Igbo group is 'otu'
In Urhobo group is 'otu'

Are the French and Igbo from one language? Not necessarily. Could one have influenced the other without necessarily influencing all the languages that are between them by geography? Yes.

margaritav:
That is incorrect. Mbakara means European in Ibibio, not Efik and it is not an offensive word.

Of course it's an offensive word used by the Efik as well, the word comes from Efik and Ibibio and they are not very different. Maybe now the word has been normalised to mean 'Europeans' but it originally meant evil (cruel) white spirit because of the slave trade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbakara

asha 2:
Guy are you reading press lately?As for Aba and Onicha i do not think those two are news to be honest.

By press, do you mean Nigerian tabloid stories which headline useless market squabbles? If you want to show me Igbo inter-conflict, show me where the Obi of Onitsha banished or maligned other Igbo groups in and from his city, show me where the LGA of Owerre actively pushed to keep out "Non-Owerre" people from Owerre city government, the same for Aba, not some meaningless uneducated traders quarrelling over juju accusations at motor parks.

killayut:
The GREATER PORT hARCOURT PROJECT IS NOTHING  BUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITIES AND  VILLAGES  at the Northern side of the Port harcourt city. There are close to 100 or more communities including Igwurita, Oyigbo and co at that end. Rivers  state government intend to construct link roads to this area and to have a planned settlement for developers. This would favor  the Igbos who are sharing border with such communities. Rivers state government has chosen to do this for reasons best known to it but it is seen by the other Rivers indigenes asn Ohaneze PLAN using the Igboid rulers of Rivers  state at this  to bring Rivers  wealth closer to the Igbo front since their struggle to hyjack Port Harcourt city from the Okrikas over the years failed.

Hijack? The Igbo own Port Harcourt, no ones taking it anywhere, it's Igboland, get over it. And you're seriously paranoid. Greater Port Harcourt, FULL SPEED AHEAD!

killayut:
Are Ijaws the only neighbours of the IGBOS ? Why are Igbos always on Ijaw matter and always trying to cajole Ijaws to be Igbo brothers ?

Big headed statement. Right now you should learn that the majority of the Igbo care less about "Ijaw matter".

killayut:
Igbos simply need to start doing their own things and be proud to be Igbos along Igbo boundary.

Since when have Igbo people not been doing their own thing? When Jaja enforced the Igbo langauge into his kingdom, and when the Igbo speakers of Ubani rose to predominance, were they not doing their own thing? What about the IGBO founder of Ubani?

killayut:
No Ijaw is afraid of Igbo domination. The fear is the adulteartion of our beautiful culture By migrant Igbos. Bonny and Opobo are very good example where Igbos have so messed up the beautiful Kalabari ijaw tradition of the people.

And what has this got to with the Igbo, did the Igbo force the Ijaw to speak their language?

I've never heard of ill feelings towards other Igbo people by a whole towns people, that's to the people living there.

Gera1980:
Thank you so much @ Ifyalways

What accent are you learning (if you know), because what you wrote could be correct in one accent.

Katsumoto:
It appears that many posters are focusing on just parts of the article and missing the import of the article. Please re-read the article; where did the writer argue against Enugu having an International airport? The message of the article, in case you missed it, is that the Nigerian government in 50 years, has not shown good management of its aviation budgets and its airports. To counter his argument, you have to prove that he is wrong in his assertion that the project to elevate Akanu Ibiam airport to international status will not be a waste of expenditure. I have copied excerpts from the article and pasted below. Upgrading an airport to international status will not guarantee the development of routes by airlines to that destination. Airlines will be concerned about increasing thier costs while cannibalising existing profitable routes and will take those points into consideration before strategising.

You mean an airport in the middle of the densest area in West Africa will fail? I'm sure the planners have already taken the market into consideration, and the work is actually ongoing instead of proposed.

More worrisome is the fact that the Ministry of Aviation is celebrating it as an achievement without concrete steps to really match this with adequate infrastructure that will make the airport a pride that deserves the new status that is being tied it around. Or is it a case of politics where every state must have an airport, not based on commercial considerations but for the simple fact that we just need an airport?

What does that mean? Does the writer know how many international airports are used to serve one city in developed countries? The writer has already acknowledged the economic growth and they're still asking why an airport should be built there. Is that sense? What was the point of the article, are they saying that the people of the southeast should be migrating hundreds of miles just for an airport? Intelligent people have thought this out and understood the positive implications of this airport for the region, the airport is being built, anybody that doesn't like it should look for something better to do.

ChinenyeN:
Ka e cheta na e ji ala ugwo. Ya mere, eche m na o ga-aka mma ka e bido na oganihu ala (infrastructure development). Amaghi m ma a na-eme udi ihe a kita ma asi m ka m detuo ya maka na o bu ihe bu uzo bataa m n'uche. Ka anyi ji aka anyi n'onwe anyi ruo ala anyi oru.

Igbo ekelee m unu.

O wu eziokwu. Na aka anyi. Ka anyi kpe ekpere na airport nke Enugwu ha ne mezi ubwa gi nwetere Ala Igbo nile ahia na ndu oma. O wu nani ihe ha hafuru anyi ka anyi me na Nigeria nka. Ndi Igbo nile, na nke oma ni.

tpiah:
^^what are you people not getting here?

this kidnapping was high profile and generated a lot of attention  and condemnation from even international groups talkless nigerians.


the kids took a picture as soon as they were found. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

I dont know how to explain the obvious to you lot?

they will bath and put on makeup later.

the right thing was done, which was showing[b] everyone [/b] the kids were recovered and safe. It's called breaking news which many of you have never heard of before it seems.


a more important question is why are the kidnappers still roaming around free to strike again.

maybe when they kidnap a couple of you your eyes will open.

Show us where kidnapped children have been taken by a governor to take picture immediately after they were released, even kidnapped adults or even animals.

Who said anything about their appearance being the main issue?

You don't even get it. No wonder such a thing could happen in the first place when Nigerians think like this, you can see the kids looked confused and traumatised but according to you what's most important is not their well being, but making sure Nigerians that have nothing to do with them know they were found, it's not enough for family, friends and loved one to make sure they're okay. You don't even consider privacy and if the parents wanted their children's picture taken. They must take picture for "breaking news" before we even know if any of them has a serious problem from being in the bush filled with hardened criminals. This sense is the most. . . . . in short. . . . .

tpiah:
what's the big deal about the children's dressing and/or appearance for goodness sake.

the important thing is they've been found.


too many daft threads on nairaland. gosh.

What don't you get? It's not hard to understand. The kids should have been allowed to rest off/see a doctor/get a check up before some useless politicians use them for a photo-op, for what, no one knows because they had little to nothing to do with their rescue. Have you ever seen a kidnap victim taking pictures with the police that rescued them just hours after the fact with everyone grinning like they were playing a game?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=523635.msg6865165#msg6865165 date=1286075434]I dont believe you're Deltan. You seem and act more Yoruba to me.

You gotta prove your Deltaness to me. . . emi ati e ko common rara. . . Olorun maje!

There are some similarities, just like in almost every language.

Me
Moi
Mi
M

etc.

But ofcourse, you're always ready to separate anything Yoruba and Igbo. Ibibio sounds nothing like Igbo, what similarities?[/quote]When did you learn Ibibio?

excanny:
That is quite understandable.

At least, Igbos are next door neighbours to Ibibios. But how does 2 isolated groups in their current locations come to have very corrupted, but similar words when the other cultures in-between them dont have such words?

Are you saying Edo doesn't have similar words with Igbo? Are you saying the Igbo only have similar words with the Yoruba?

Andre Uweh:
The Nri civilization have been the most important agencies in the evolution Igbo society until about the 15th century when other influences e.g Benin empire originating from outside started affecting the trend of Igbo affairs.The Benin monarchy about the 15th century was transformed  from a small kingdom into an aggresively expansive  empire. This change is said to have taken place in the reign  of Ewuare the Great. Under his command the Benin armies extended their conguests beyond Edo regions, subjugating towns and villages of Ekiti, Ikare, IkaIgbo and some western Igbo. From this time, the Bini power became a factor of great consequence in the life of the Western Igbo. Though Binin subjugation and influence was great in the area, it never amounted to permanent subjugation and regular administration.
As a result, everywhere in the Ika Igbo region micro-cosmic versions of Benin kingdom, court ceremonials and institutions, title systems and political terminology were adopted or imposed. This later Benin impact came to overlay the earlier Nri culture among the IkaIgbo.

You got it. The base of Ika culture is Igbo, and that is why they are always considered as Igbo. Their customary law is almost indistinguishable from that of the Nri-Awka. A few Benin place names isn't good enough to claim whole Benin descent, because they don't accept them anyway.

excanny:
So you believe that the decision of Moremi, a Yoruba woman to marry the masqueraded Igbos in order to find out if they were spirits or humans was enough to share similar words when the contact the Igbos had with the Yorubas at this time was mostly in war times. How much time do you have to learn the language of your enemies before killing them in the battlefield?

It just doesn't add up.

You're making up what I said, the Moremi bit came after in the paragraph. What I said is that the Igbo and Yoruba have had contact, I never said it was only because of Moremi. How does a common ancestry add up when there's no similarity at all between the two groups apart from a few words?

excanny:
The Yorubas didn't have much interaction with the Igbos during the slave trade era. Most of the returnee freed slaves who might have mingled were re-settled in Libreville and Freetown, not in Nigeria with the exception of a few Saros whose influence would have been insignificant.

The link between the Yorubas and Igbos had been the binis who served as middlemen in the exchange of cultures. Yet, there exists a number of shared words between Yoruba and Igbo that are non-existent in bini. A possible indication that there must be be some proto-language and distant relationship in the past since their current isolated locations  make such impossible.

I wasn't talking about the Atlantic slave trade, I was talking about all the slave trades happening before the Atlantic opened up. There have been population groups such as the Olukwumi who have migrated East and West. The Igbo and Yoruba definitely met, and this might be the reason for the Moremi-Igbo story, but even in this story the two groups aren't seen as one. There isn't even a hint of a common origin from both groups, most may just want to see one because they're thinking in terms of modern day Nigeria and its borders. The whole Kwa origin even includes Tiv people, which there's little to no similarity with.

With the Igbo and Yoruba, there's little to no similarity in governance, religion, art, customs, and other aspects.

agbotaen:
when a  people are dejected they always try to  claim every  one they see that  has some similarities with them an their own ,no  proper ika man will identify as igbo, lets get that clare , you are not an  ika man so you wont know what it means to be ika .most ika people have bini names as their ancestral names , even  if they bear okafor today , ask them their grand fathers or great grand fathers names it will end up  in bini names  for those who say ika is not a kingdom , i laugh at their ignorant , can  an  igbo man  know what a kingdom is ? igbos lived in communties and not  kingdoms, a kingdom is a community with a king.i  dont mean a 21 first century king or igweship or ezeship that was invented by the british. agbor is one  of the oldest established kingdom with unbroken kingship in nigeria for over a thousand years , owa is also old , so  is abavo, umunede and other ikas , and if you wish to know  ika obiship or deinship was gotten from benin , and we did not buy it its was as a result of all our  kings being royalties and princes from benin.the first obi  of agbor was a benin prince and all deins of agbor and other ika kings are princes .the present dein of agbor kiagborekuzi  is a direct family line with the present oba of benin. for more information read jacob egharevbas book a short history of benin written in 1930.by binis most famous hisotrian . and for your information it  is still a taboo for  any agbor royal family to marry into the present benin royal family . having said this we are ika people , we are neither benin or  igbo , and the  last thing any proper ika man want to be  is to be  igbo .we forbid it , may  oselobue not allow that and may  our ancestral  ehi- guardian  spirit refuse it .
         i  have already said ikas usually have igbo and edo names , i have given  you excamples , but  out  of ignorant most of you will still say otherwise nduka irabor the famous journalist is from owa , his forst name is nduka and his surname is irabor (edo)  his father is george irabor, nduka obaigbena the  owner of this day is from owa , his first name is igbo , while his fathers name is obaigbena (edo)   that is an ika man for you , so your wish is for him to accept the igbo and reject the bini in him? that  is very funny .
    still on names let me list the names of some obis of agbor and owa , some are igbo names while most are bini names , and the old names are bini names .

AGBOR  -
1. dein, 2, odin ovba,3, akina, 4, oguade, aigbobu,isalebo, igbenijie, igbenehi,gbenoba,obika,ikenchuku,and kiagborekuzi, this is not chronological i just picked from memory .

OWA KINGS, NOT CHRONOLOGICAL TOO.
1, odogun, 2, owodo, 3, ewuare, 4, orhogbuwa,5, okundaiye, oseh, iseh, igbeoba, obaigbena, efeizomor the first, and the present obi is efeizomor the second . so please what are we hiding ?
   
         IKA  DEITIES .
1.   olokun, idigun, ovia, ake, ohunweeden, ajan, araba, idinwina , ikenga, ali, ehi, ohointe, out  of this deities it  is only ikenga and ali that is from igbo land , while all the others are from benin.
     IKA FESSTIVALS .
1  the most popular ika festival that unite many  ika communities is the igue and ewere festival  , which is same with binis, then we have  igbose, ogbanigbe, ikaba ,osiezi , ajamukara, ineh, this are all bini related festivals also performed by the oba  of benin.but  ika alos performs new yam festival  too which is  same with igbos , but with slight variations ,
     
   the vast majorities of ikas will never associate with igbos in terms of tribal issues, if you go to ika land , you will find the majority distinguishing between  an  ika person and igbo person, they will say this is an  igbo  man .ikas know who  they are , we dont need others who cannot stay on their own and who  is looking for numbers to  become relevant  in the scheme of things in nigeria. do you see the great distance that ika people have given  to any thing igbo ? it  is because we wish to be left alone.as our  own  people. we are a royal people and we have our ways of doing things , we would not like to  be  come contaminated by those who do not share ika blood.
    as for  ika spiritual lessons let me educate you a little .
1. ancient  ika people believe that God is called oselobue or osenobue .
2. they believed that  mans guardian spirit  is called ehi .
3. they believed in heavenly or spirit world called orimi
4. they believed that  there is a devil or satan called ojuwu
5. we believed that  olokun is the son of oselobue ,and second in command to oselobue.
6. we believed our kings(obi) are semidivine children  of oselobue , so they  had the power of live and death.
7. we believed that spirits such as idinwina, ihoghai, igheleken  existed in the world .
8. every ancient ika man believed  in ogun or idigun( god of iron)
9/  we had guilds of obu( called idibia now by  some  ikas ), ohue ( hunters guild), okaiwina( societies for women ) with osigu -those that give the ancient  ika tribal  marks , and circumcise children .
10.  most  ika communities practiced ima-ihian ( calling  and questioning of the dead to find  out the cause  of death ) this  is still done till today  in  owa  kingdom.
11. ikas usually bury bad witches and evil people into the evil forest called ikpepe .
12. ikas also believed that an old person should be buried with the dance called ubi ( funeral songs)
13. the dancing of uje traditional  dance is a  must for kings and chiefs in ika .this guarantees harmony with  our ancestors .
14.  ikas name their children of 7 day for male and 5th day for females and their naming ceremony is called mpoudu or idayi ( meaning to give  live )
15.  ikas lived in a srtatified society of ebon(umu) ,idumu,and ogbe .
16.  ikas  know themselves as a people who  worship  ogun, olokun, and had the tribal  marks called igu and peformed igue festival, if you do  not do all these then you are not ika and cannever be  ika.

Who appointed you mouthpiece of the "Ika Kingdom"? Who told you non of the people here are Ika?

Can you name the king of Ika, if it is a kingdom?

Have you heard of the Obi of Agbor? His surname is Ikechuku.

All the deities you posted are not as strong as Ikenga. You're not the only one with access to Ika history. Below is a craving from Ika land from the early 20th century, tell me where in Benin that they moulded their deities and ancestors in that style. Where in Benin do they have Ofo staffs? Where in Benin do they wear red caps?

[center][img]http://mccoy.lib.siu.edu/jmccall/jones/igbo/ika7.JPG[/img][/center]

This is the Obi of Owa, where in Benin do they dress like this?

[center]https://www.deltastate.gov.ng/March/PRESS_BRIEFING_WARRI_319.jpg[/center]

[quote author=star* link=topic=520608.msg6838247#msg6838247 date=1285693129]Baby.me Thank you so much for your reply 

I got more can you help? Mbakara eyie ma mkpodo mbok nyemme owo di mwot

I appreciate.[/quote] Mbakara is the Efik/Ibibio version of 'Cracker' (offensive term for white people)

[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=523662.msg6863726#msg6863726 date=1286052863]
I was once confused about it as well. Then I spoke to some Nigerian professors at my school and they've all said the same thing she said.[/quote]It's Igbo for both. When speaking Igbo, you don't ask 'I na sukwa Ibo', Ibo is door or something else, it's Igbo for both.

[center]
[flash=480,385]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpO3QjTXvJw?fs=1&hl=en_GB"[/flash]
[flash=480,385]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpMcfPoaywk?fs=1&hl=en_GB"[/flash]
[flash=480,385]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI64U88j_9E?fs=1&hl=en_GB"[/flash]
https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/5001873925_791aeaaf54_z.jpg
[/center]

amazonia:
@ Ezeagu & Tpiah

BIAFRA
BI = Bisection
AFRA = Africa
So. Biafra means equaliterally dividing Africa.
Which implied the middle of Africa Or the
heart of Africa.
This is an English word. Though i am not quite sure,
i am incline to believe this word was coined by the
western navigators or explorers because this word
equally means the EQUATOR. Which is the natural
equallateral bisector of Africa. So this word must have
been used by sailors to indicate the Equatorial latitude
or regions of Africa.

That's interesting, do you have a source for that? Like a book?

I don't believe Igbo and Yoruba came from a single shared people. That's just thinking within colonial borders, the Yoruba share more in common with people in Benin and other countries to Nigeria's west and the Igbo are more similar to the Southern Cameroons. There's nothing in their archaeology that even looks similar, the Yoruba have some sort of cultural associations with the Nok people, carrying on in their art, Igbo don't. Both lands were settled at different times at locations that are at least 100 miles apart from each other. I believe that interaction has brought similarities in their language (slave trades, banished people, migrations) rather than coming from one entity.

Romance languages are for the most from Latin, and many of them can understand each other, Igbo people can hardly understand the different dialects.

Abagworo:
There is a link between igbo and yoruba .they both belong to kwa group and were believed to separate in just a few thousand years ago.

This is a theory, and there hasn't even been any serious investigation into the history of the area around the Niger, there are a few words similar may also mean that they influenced each other, there are similar words with other languages, they don't necessarily have to come from the same source, which I don't believe.

Arielle:
So you mean I can't even write Love Machine. on Nairaland??!! Thats a bit much!!

Web imitating life.

This is on Nigeria's bill, so, wait, how much is this cake?

That is an ugly cake. [size=18pt]O jo kara ahu![/size] Kinda looks like Abuja architecture.

You mean they couldn't even get a professional job, it looks like someone's first go at icing.