₦airaland Forum

percipi1: It is unwise to use the attitude of Yorubas on Nairaland to judge whether their states are accommodating or not. If I were to use your own attitude to judge Igbos, I will assume that most Igbos are unintelligent, lacking in education, rude and intimidated by people who do not share their opinion. However, I cannot use your attitude to judge Igbos because i am not very sure whether you are a freeborn Igbo or an Osu or not even Igbo at all

Please learn to focus on questions and stop promoting tribalism.

Guy you bad gan ni o

Afam4eva: I was also born in Enugu and is from there and i have never heard or seen such practice in display. But they say it exists somewhere. It may be true or may not be. I mustn't know everything that happens in Enugu just like you mustn't know everything that happens in Oyo.

Of course you are right if I live Ibadan I cannot know everything happening in Ibadan, I obviously cannot know when someone in Mokola just got a job if I live in Ring Road neither can I know that a lady just broke up with his boyfriend in Bodija.

I like the word POUR let's hope they keep pouring till they overflow.

babyosisi: Sure
Thanks for correcting me dear
2010 is so far away
What was I thinking

He he he I like your sacarsm. He might have written the article this year that doesn't matter, the practices are dead simples. In fact even my aunt that lives deep inside a village in Ondo state when her husband died apart from the 40 days rites no one troubled her, also she inherited her husband's farms without any contest from his family members. If those practices are dead in villages where else does it exists? In cities like Ibadan, Abeokuta or Akure?

babyosisi: The most important thing is that you saw the evidence you were looking for
I responded to someone pointing fingers
You said I made up the link that it could never be in Yorubaland,I showed you proof and now you say it's ,I believe you,that must also be the situation in these other places.
We have all been educated,haven't we?
Even if it is just one widow subjected to practices anywhere in Igboland,Yorubaland,Akwai Ibom,Rivers ,Delta or Edo it is one too many.
Have a great week

Baby, the link you provided shows no proof, the practices mentioned in the link is very ancient and absolutely dead. I agree with you though that if it's only one widow subjected to these practices anywhere its one too many.
Have a great week too

babyosisi: Here is an article written byYorubas about widowhood practices in Yorubaland
So next time you point fingers,remember this article,I also grew up in Igboland All my life and never heard of this until I saw it in a movie and decided to read up and saw articles that such things do exist in some quarters.
There is evil in the cultural practice in all areas of Nigeria
The article below tells you that pockets of the same evil culture exists even in your land.
Enjoy



Adekanye (1988) noted that among the Yorubas, the widow has to mourn for three, six, or even twelve months depending on the custom of the community. She may have to shave her head, wear black clothes and generally refrain from taking care of her person. At the end of the mourning period, she is inherited by a male relative of her dead husband, just like the rest of the man's property. Fasoranti and Aruna, (2007) expressed that after the wailing periods, widows experienced several degradations and deprivation. [size=14pt]Among the Yorubas, the widow may be accused of killing her husband and therefore could be asked to swear with either the Holy Quran or the Holy Bible to prove their innocence. She could also be asked to drink the water used for washing the corpse in order to prove her innocence the more[/size].

The process and duration of mourning, wearing dull brown to black clothes without having bath could last from seven days to two weeks while the duration for wearing dark cloths ranges from three months to a year. A widow is also expected to express the sorrow through crying and often falling into the ready hands of others surrounding her to prevent her from injuring herself. She is thereafter expected to go into seclusion for seven days during which she is not expected to wash herself or change her clothes. She may be expected to unweave her hair, have a low-cut, shorn or scrape her hair as a sign of severing bonds between her and her death husband. The mourning period may last for forty days or four months (120 days) and the widow is expected to wear a pensive look and be clad in black attire to all public places. She sits on bare floor or a mat at best. In some Yoruba communities, she is expected to eat from broken plates and cook with broken pots (Fasoranti and Aruna, 2007). At this period, it will be ascertained whether or not the widow is pregnant. At the end of forty days, three month or four month as the case may be, the final rites are performed for the widow after which, she is free to remarry. These final rites include being washed in the night after having the final wailing, making some rituals which are expected to finally put the spirit of the departed to final rest and the "outing", which involves change of dresses and being led to the market.



Read more: http://www.readperiodicals.com/201012/2187713301.html#ixzz2V6Y6TKGi

Firstly, where in any of my posts do you ever see me make any general statement about a tribe or 'point a finger'
The practice of inheriting wives exists in many cultures for century so how is that a Yoruba thing? Having said that that practice has disappeared even before they stop putting tribal marks on children.
On the issue of inheriting properties of the dead, that just as the other is no longer being widely practiced and definitely not a Yoruba thing.
Lastly, regarding swearing of oath by the Widows that practice is very rare especially in this day and age, its definitely not rampant, its restricted to families who suspect the wife as the killer. In fact it is within the right of the wife to refuse on religious grounds and no one can force her. The normal widow rites involves staying at home for 40 days and even its not usually enforced. So the drinking of corpse water is extremely rare if at all it exist in Yoruba land and definitely will not warrant a legislation.

I really don't know why you're always quick to drag Yoruba into any argument because in the first instance the thread is about akwa ibom and not Yoruba land.

babyosisi: [size=16pt]For those shouting Igbo[/size] you may have to point at yourselves


[size=14pt]2. Ritual in Which a Widow Drinks the Water Used to Clean Her Husband's Corpse

Sources from 2010 to 2012 indicate that the ritual in which a widow drinks the water used to clean her husband's corpse continues to be practiced in various locations and among various groups in Nigeria, including:[/size]

Edo State (Historian 5 Oct. 2012);
Delta State (Delta State 2010);
some eastern states of Nigeria (Leadership 27 Aug. 2011);
the southeast of Nigeria (Onyekuru 2011, 356);
among the Igbo ethnic group (Samuel 2009; Researcher 5 Oct. 2012); and
among the Yoruba ethnic group (Aransiola 2010).


However, some sources suggest that this ritual is no longer as prevalent as it was in the past


http://www.ecoi.net/local_link/232051/340634_en.html

That link and whoever put it up are 100% fake! Drinking of corpse's bath water by widows does not exist in Yoruba land and definitely not in Oyo state. I was born and I lived in the nooks and crannies of Yoruba land I've never see or heard of such practice.

[quote author=Son-Of-El]another awo worshipper in disguise.[/quote]And you an achebe worshper

Duru1: I guess some folks do not understand the reason history is declared a subject. During the period in discussion, Ndigbo and other easterners were killed in Ibadan, Abeokuta and Lagos. Even Yoruba peeps that were light in complexion had to reprove themselves as Yoruba or non-easterner to avoid being lynched.

Lie from the pit of hell! Some of you guys are just too desperate to play victim for cheap propaganda just like achebe did in his last book which is full of lies and misrepresentation of facts.

GooseBaba: Why compare eggs with plantain.... Did the bank manager inform them of his greed before they made the deposit..

Exactly!

Very pretty girl, hope she has a great career.

Anyone who believes in Nigerian police story would believe that father Xmas truly exists. Nigerian police are even worsr than armed robbers!

Policewoman: Their own is small. I haven't had it in 3 years.

He he he he is that why you b1tch sometimes? Lwkmd

[quote author=Son-Of-El]keep quiet before you wish i never faced you. If you have been following my post on this thread from the beginning you'd realise how wrong you are.
Where were you when the anti-achebe and anti-igbo posts infested this thread? Its so bad that someone mockingly said igbos have no traditional system of govt! I know their subtlety even if you are blind to that.
Funnyx, lay low, or get hit, that's my advise to you. Now get off my back.[/quote]Your can keep barking for all I care it obviously change nothing especially as your anger cannot be transmitted on a faceless forum To disagree that Achebe is not the father of African literature does not translate to being anti Achebe.
Also to disagree on Igbo traditional system of govt does not translate to beibg anti igbo. All you need to do is to provide him with your evidence and debate rather than barking and being abusive . Unfortunately you cannot hit me online I can simply choose to ignore whatever you post back simples.

[quote author=Son-Of-El]you are stupid and bigoted in saying igbo society had no system of government. The igbo society enjoyed both constitutional monarchy and republican systems of goverment, not necessarily suited after the european model. The ewe people of ghana were also republican in their style of government, yet it wasnt after the european model. Every seasoned anthropologist and political historian knows these, am not surprised you don't. Bigot.[/quote]Can't you make your point without being abusive? Must every poster agree with your point of view? You call someone a bigot but judging by your posts you're bigotry personified. I just hope you are not like this in real life

O ga o irony of life When some of us make our wives pregnant almost without any effort some will have to wait so long What a strange world. God knows best sha

Nollywood na wash I can't even bear the sight of it, very colourless, tasteless and lack any spark. There's even no need to argue about who started cinema and films in Nigeria otherwise they'll turn this thread to one like Achebe vs Soyinka one, history will speak for itself.
As for Halima, she is part of the rot in the system full of mediocres and storylines that add no value nor impact any knowledge.

ideyvexnow: You are totally correct. My Uncle lives in PH and He is always complaining of Bad Roads and Lack of Electricity.
The truth is that most PH governors are Thieves, especially Peter Odili and Now Amaechi. Amaechi is Busy stealing while Akpabio is busy transforming a village state into a modern metropolis.

Is it amaechi's job to provide electricity?

babyosisi: 49% is a high number dear
And that is a poll with a plus minus margin of error so we may be talking about 52%
Think about it
52% of Nigerian Muslims support Al Queda and you don't think we should be worried

I understand why you feel this way, truly the world need to be concerned about extremists in Islam but whilst doing this we must not allow hatred and bigotry to take over otherwise we may throw the baby away with bath water.
I have a lot of Muslims as friends and even as members of my extended family and none of them is bad rather they are open minded and liberal.
Also within Islam people that matters should start working and preaching against extremism because without their efforts Islam will continue to be dented by these extremist.

babyosisi: Meanwhile ten people have been arrested so far in connection with the slaying and 6 protesters are drinking tea
They need 4 more tea drinking volunteers

Calm down babe, not every Muslim is bad you know?

Thank God we still have some reasonable Muslims like these one in York, they did the right thing by acknowledging the concerns of these protesters and at least show them they care by welcoming them in a proper English way.

He he he he

thelastpope10: ^^^^

[size=16pt]Breaking News: PDP suspends Amaechi

ACN and CPC supporters are angry[/size]

Aren't you tired of using this same line? Its getting stale and useless. If PDP cannot practice fairness, probity and free/fair election at the party level how can they perform wonders if voted into power again?

FFK is a liability and politically finished.

Ikengawo: Honestly, it's not the system it's the people. Nigerians have a lot of unhealthy attitudes and notions about authority and power in all respects of life and little sense of duty or long term thinking. Nigeria has one of the best constitutions in the world, but what does it matter if nobody wants to learn what's in it, follow it, or challenge abusive leaders that misuse it?

what does it matter if we have a parliamentary system? In the average Nigerian school the head master behaves like a monarch, why wouldn't the prime minister? is that not the problem we're having with the presidency? something as common as a governor's forum election (mind you the leader of the forum have NO authority) has turned into a civil war.

it's not the constitution, it's not the presidency, it's the people and their culture.

Hmmm you're right bro...

[quote author=CROWÉ]Giving autonomy to the regions is called Federalism, it has nothing to do with presidential system or parliamentary.



Yet there are countries that practice it, have you ever wondered why that is? Also, the expensive bit is the fact that a nation is a federation rather than a unitary state not because they have a presidency, you people are mistaking things here, also a country can be parliamentary and still have bicameral legislature and vice versa, most of them do.

You guys really should go and research these things properly.[/quote]Because those countries are less corrupt compare to Nigeria, of what use is bicameral legislature to Nigeria? Also what benefits do we get from these aides? We can't even see these legislative members, no town hall meetings, no regular surgeries

ledafaze: I concur... Like the type practiced in the First Republic with the exception of the Hausa... The Hausa can be the figure head president this time around with an Igbo Prime Minister and my yoruba boy can come in anywhere.

Stop being a tribalist, at least with the type of regional govt practiced then each region can develop itself. It doesn't matter where the prime minister comes from as long as their is regional autonomy.

thelastpope10: Funny analysis you have. Even if all the governors of the ND join the opposition, they wont change anything. The ND is solidly behind GEJ. Rivers state people do not support GEJ because of Amaechi. Amaechi is irrelevant. That is why he has refused to change party since.

The governors heart are not leaving PDP. The whole fight was about the ambition of some of them. But the problem, they cant achieve the ambition in APC either so why change. You talk about it as if the fight is about good governance. It is strictly about ambition so chaging party wont give them that

If Amaechi is so irrelevant why is gej fighting him tooth and nail? Why wasting his energy on a 'nonentity'?