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davidmarker2:
The jealous will be jealous, i have learnt to ignore them. They have nothing of their own so they must talk of others who have something worth talking about. They must spit on your orange because they have no orange. they must claim your water because they have no water. They are an organism which depends on you to exist, an unwelcomed organism for that matter. By defintion, they are parasits.

Nor mind her, she nor get shame, she don read benin history finsh, but she doesn't ask herself how many benins do read yoruba history that much, despite are dedication on it she is still useless

Intersex slowpoke

TAO11:
See attached below just so we have some comparative understanding.

This was one of The rascist from the white downplaying benin after the war.......


Nonsense man

Ooh she-male you thought we havnt seeing this quote lol

Maybe we have to post when they compared benin with lesbon

Hausa were cows to the British

Anyway benin don hijack this thread ooo

Tao11 how do you get your likes

Four people viewing but you get 20likes, is this desperation are you hacking nairaland


Nawa oo


This circled is one reason behind TAO11 obsession despite the fact on reading benin books in amd out she still failed in mastering benins

Or probably knows the truth but hiding it for yorubaistic ego

TAO11:
The attached screenshot below shows a regular feed-back from readers which always confirms to me that the days of Benin lies on Nairaland are over.

I wish I could transfer these “likes” and “shares” to some Bini less privileged so they can have some consolation to avert the impending suicide.


To the good people of Nairaland [including: Yoruba and Igbo as well as a few sand Binis (like @Atigba and @), among others]:

I say a big thank you for always confirming to me via “likes”, “shares”, comments, and emails that the days of Benin lies on Nairaland are OVER.

Cheers!

The title oba entered the yoruba lexicon through benin ventures into Eastern yoruba during its expansion, and soon diffused into all yorubas

There is a parable in owo, that says, just as the oba n' idu commands respect on earth olodumare commands respect in heaven
Despite interaction with eastern Yoruba they made a sizable contact with vast yoruba tribe too

Benins supplied the atilaries used in the yoruba civil war of late 1800

If we are to mention benin influence on vast yoruba land it will too numerous to mention


The yorubas always have the claim oromiyan came to establish the obaship stool on benin but when taken a deeper look into this history shows that it was a political staged myth of late 1800 after the benin invasion by the British, oba eweka11 sought monarchial help from the then ooni to help strengthening the political power of the edo people who was emerging from a devastating war that burnt down the city capital
You know the rest
The benin monarch accepted to be one of oduduwa son, in the hierarchy it was ooni first and oba of benin second, at these time alafin was still having superiority battle against the ooni, later when awolowo elevated the stool, the alafin subcumed and decided to stay at second displacing the oba to third position

So their argument on the ownership of the word oba has been defeated

It was mere politcs even the yoruba unification was not historical and ife was never thier ancestral town ife was a religious town to the yorubas


The title oba has bern in the yoruba lexicon as far
As 16century when benin expanded into their territory that would be 6centuries now
Despite the long age it has been in Yoruba lexicon it remains foreign to them

Imagine benin supplying yoruba warriors fighting atilaries, controlling their lands, giving them kings, controlling their market, just imagine how the title oba would sound to them


When the oba of benin was being taken to calabar by the British they had to cover his face to avoid uprise from both benin areas and non edo territorie

Note
Not until 1930 the ooni of ife used the word oba officially to adress is title letting go of the British sir in replacement of oba

He made a mistake of not foreseeing the end of the false political unification of benin people under yoruba umbrella he only saw the advantage of the name it would bring to his stool

He never proclaimed other yoruba monarchs to follow suit but automatically the other yoruba bought into adding oba to thier title

Note

Ogie is a title for duke only the oba of benin bears the title oba of benin

The question every tribe should ask yoruba is why do they adopt the word oba as a generic term for kingship when already is known to adress a popular monarch

I guess the answer can also be found in my writeup

Picture of one of the ooni holding an edo ceremonial sword wanting to mimic the benin stool, but i guess he later drooped it

TAO11:
So far in the course of this thread, the following retar.ded claims have been devastatingly debunked:

(1) The retar.ded claim (by disgruntled Binis) that Yorubas began using the word “Oba” in the post-1930s.

This has been debunked with written evidence of Yoruba usage from 1899, from 1897, from c.1867, from 1845, et al.

(2) The retar.ded claim (by @samuk) that there exists some “600 years” old written evidence of Benin usage of the word “Oba”.

This retar.ded claim is yet to be substantiated (even with an atom of evidence) despite more than 10 days (and still counting) of their torturous search.

Instead, these disgruntled Binis were at best only able to demonstrate (from their own warped logic) that the Yorubas have an earlier written evidence — 1845 (Yoruba) Vs. 1867 (Bini).

——————————————————
But what does it really mean that I was able to produce an 1845 written evidence and the Binis weren’t able to come even close to that ??

Well, it just simply means that the Binis weren’t able to come close to the Yorubas, despite their own bogus claim of wRiTteN eViDeNcE. Nothing more, nothing less! [I know I’m being too nice now].

To put the same question in other words:
Does the comparative written evidence already provided really mean that the Binis began using this word only in the year 1867 — because that’s all they could provide ??

Funny enough, this line of warped reasoning is what the disgruntled Binis have been trailing. Should I play their game along with them? No, I’m Yoruba!

To every sound and logically mind, such conclusion (based on available writing) is too obvious as a flawed reasoning and logical fallacy — even though I could have forced their own flawed reasoning down their throats.

Such particular logical fallacy is know in analytical logic specifically by the name: argumentum ex silentio.

————————————————————
Having debunked their deluded claim of 1930s [see (1)]; having exposed @samuk’s fraud of “600 years” old writing [see (2)]; having exposed their inability to produce anything close to (let alone earlier than) the Yorubas’ [see (2)]; having debunked their warped logic of arguing from earlier written usage (despite the fact that it favours me); I now turn, at this point, to discussing the actual objective evidence for determining the indigenous ownership of a word — that is, the linguistic evidence.

——————————————————————
The Argument:
(I) If a word is in use in a particular language, but its literal meaning can not be meaningfully analyzed within that language; then such word does not originally belong to that language. Gbam!

(II) The word “Ọba” (as used by the Binis for their monarch) does not have any literal meaning in the language of the Binis.

(III) In conclusion, the word “Ọba” (as used by the Binis for their monarch) does not belong originally to the Bini language — In other words, it is a loanword.

————————————————————
The Evidence:
An objective source of evidence for the meanings of Bini words is obviously and undoubtedly an authoritative dictionary of the Bini language itself.

[This is not to be confused with a dictionary of the English language which simply features a paltry number of non-English words of widespread, global, popular usage — such as: “fufu”, “agbada”, “oba”, et al.]

As such, recourse will now be made to a Bini-English Lexicon. This is so that the English readers here can access the written meanings which are attributed to the actual Bini words.

One such example of an authoritative material for this purpose is the work entitled: “A Concise Dictionary of The Bini Language of Southern Nigeria” compiled by the professor of African Phonetics and Linguistics, Hans Melzian.

———————————————————
Under the entry “Ọba” (for which Professor Melzian used “ɔ” to represent “ọ“, in order to distinguish /o/ as in odd from /o/ as in old ); the following are some interesting observations from this Bini dictionary.

(A) Unlike what the author did with virtually all other Bini words within the same dictionary, he did not give a literal meaning to this word — as I have expected.

Rather, he simply describes the person whom the Binis refer to by this word. Interesting, isn’t it?! See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754901_bb7fcaad09fc479498aedbb24cb57370_jpeg_jpeg80dbd02cb7ce1db81e998db7e161c38e

(B) But more than that, the author (in fact) let the cat out of the bag. He revealed why this word could not have had a literal meaning in a dictionary of Bini language.

Before I reveal his reason, it is important that one is acquainted with a few notations and abbreviations which he define in his work.

Two examples of these are relevant to my discourse here, and they are: “Yor.” and “cf.” which he defines as: “Yoruba” and “etymological reference” respectively.

See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754902_541f22648c37485488282bea682c0e27_jpeg_jpegf272ec9b7e8de333789df15c524980aa

In the light of this background, let’s then see what reason the author indicates as to why this word could have appeared without a literal meaning in the Bini dictionary.

See embedded image below as highlighted on the top-right corner in continuation of the bottom-left corner.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754903_7e31a3d03b7c407ab60e863fbf8fb4c2_jpeg_jpegfba5de93eebde69a9ef00beabf7a605c

In the light of his foregoing definition of abbreviations, what we have here in the phrase “cf. Yor. ɔba” then becomes extremely clear and straightforward.

In other words, the word “Ọba” [ɔba] (used by the Binis for their monarch) has its ”etymology” [cf.] (aka. ”origin”) in the Yoruba language [Yor.].

Quod Erat Demonstrandum!

The title oba entered the yoruba lexicon through benin ventures into Eastern yoruba during its expansion, and soon diffused into all yorubas

There is a parable in owo, that says, just as the oba n' idu commands respect on earth olodumare commands respect in heaven
Despite interaction with eastern Yoruba they made a sizable contact with vast yoruba tribe too

Benins supplied the atilaries used in the yoruba civil war of late 1800

If we are to mention benin influence on vast yoruba land it will too numerous to mention


The yorubas always have the claim oromiyan came to establish the obaship stool on benin but when taken a deeper look into this history shows that it was a political staged myth of late 1800 after the benin invasion by the British, oba eweka11 sought monarchial help from the then ooni to help strengthening the political power of the edo people who was emerging from a devastating war that burnt down the city capital
You know the rest
The benin monarch accepted to be one of oduduwa son, in the hierarchy it was ooni first and oba of benin second, at these time alafin was still having superiority battle against the ooni, later when awolowo elevated the stool, the alafin subcumed and decided to stay at second displacing the oba to third position

So their argument on the ownership of the word oba has been defeated

It was mere politcs even the yoruba unification was not historical and ife was never thier ancestral town ife was a religious town to the yorubas


The title oba has bern in the yoruba lexicon as far
As 16century when benin expanded into their territory that would be 6centuries now
Despite the long age it has been in Yoruba lexicon it remains foreign to them

Imagine benin supplying yoruba warriors fighting atilaries, controlling their lands, giving them kings, controlling their market, just imagine how the title oba would sound to them


When the oba of benin was being taken to calabar by the British they had to cover his face to avoid uprise from both benin areas and non edo territorie

Note
Not until 1930 the ooni of ife used the word oba officially to adress is title letting go of the British sir in replacement of oba

He made a mistake of not foreseeing the end of the false political unification of benin people under yoruba umbrella he only saw the advantage of the name it would bring to his stool

He never proclaimed other yoruba monarchs to follow suit but automatically the other yoruba bought into adding oba to thier title

Note

Ogie is a title for duke only the oba of benin bears the title oba of benin

The question every tribe should ask yoruba is why do they adopt the word oba as a generic term for kingship when already is known to adress a popular monarch

I guess the answer can also be found in my writeup

Picture of one of the ooni holding an edo ceremonial sword wanting to mimic the benin stool, but i guess he later droped it

Etrusen:
truthfully speaking my brother I will tell you that witchcraft has and will continue to be an integral part of the then Benin empire and also in the present days.

listening to the legendary Ebohon ( the man who sang the song Ovoranmwen no gbaisi )speak on witchcraft you will understand that it has always Benin part of Edo spiritism which help in those days to look,kill,punish, offenders

according to Ebohon ( who write most Edo witchcraft inscription)
witchcraft have different ranks for example there are the overlord ( obason) who are placed in high esteem, there is also the middle class and there is also the lower class and this he said are the most dangerous witch that perpetrate evil but the higher classes have purpose for example

Isusugbaghada ( the first Oba n Ikhuene y Edo )
during the reign of Oba Ewuare the first used the Okhuehe deity combine with witchcraft to perform magic for Oba Ewuare hence he was forbidden from ever entering Benin and this have continued with all successive Oba n Ikhuen.

To crown it all you must know that Benin witches serve the oba for example there a place in Slope when going to Ikpoba hill that is called Ekonorhue,this place serve the purpose of oath taking for all witches for them to use their mystic gift for the betterment of Benin and in most cases there are always bad eggs among witch and when they refuse to subject themselves to the oath, they will be detained there for the rest of their life or until they agree.

so you must understand that despite the Oba being the imperial lord of the kingdom there are always cases were an Oba will take grave actions in order to eliminate any strong threat to the crown

for example

just like Oba Ewuare1 did to Iken

how Iyase Ikpenede was sent to Uhunmwode after returning from Otun were he stage against Oyo warriors because of the power he command in military.

how Agboghidi N Ugo was dispatch from benin by Oba Akengbuda thereby making him an Okakuo of the Oba.

the truth is that the Oba knows those that will oppose their even when they are still Edayi N Iken and they will do anything to eliminate them.

nekpen nekpen no ra ya si ri uwa vb Edo

Why dont you take time to write all this down on nairaland so we all can learn

I really want to know the history of defied benin nobles like ekpenede shrine and many others

The place is not doing any thing to write dem down near their shrine

Atleast one story atva time on nairaland would help, i saw this and i had to post it

She already claiming benin-ife relationships when she can't even prove it


She brought a typical benin terracotta head artwork to claim benin ife relationship


Lol, i giess they shared some things in common
Mud abi sand

Lol


She also brought out bliers imaginary buried benin art sculpture buried in ife

And yet we can only get such claim from only bliers work


TAO11 obsession is unimaginable

I know how to deal with you

davidmarker2:
Oba Akenzua II, son of Oba Eweka II. Authenticity can't be copied.

You go. Kill TAO11 ooh

Nawa for u ooh, u won kill person pikin

TAO11:
When you use probably (as you’ve done here), you are simply saying you don’t have a reply yet to my argument.

So, until you are sure of what to say, the linguists of your Bini language have their say. Haha!

That is to say, the Bini word “oloi” is indeed originally from the Yoruba word “olori” as the linguist of Bini language has confirmed in the embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12759572_3aa5d738bcc5440daf4407604e67039c_jpeg_jpeg63c5043ad0d033145493ccd6fa6644fa




Yes the 80+ years old dictionary says, “Ayaba” means “Queen” — that is, “King’s wife” (lit.). Everyone who speaks Yoruba knows that.

The same 80 + years old dictionary mentions the word “Olorì” as attached below. (You had said that it didn’t)

And the dictionary states clearly that it means: the “wife of a great person [who is] (not to be approached by any man)”.

In other words, the king’s wife i.e. the “Ayaba” herself is an “olorì” — in fact, the number one “olori” in the country.

Just as the unapproachable wife of any other great person in the country is also an “olori”

“Ayaba” is specific to the king’s wife only. It simply means “King’s wife” (literally).

“Olori” on the other hand is broader — applying to the king’s wife, as well as the unapproachable wife of any other great person in the country.

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Your argument is as: the English phrase: “King’s wife” VS. the English word “Queen”

“My” wife can be described as a “queen” — without “me” really being a king. Provided I have some recognized great status at the topmost levels in the country.

But what “my” wife is not is — King’s wife. “My” is obviously not “king’s wife”.

Cheers!

And were did you get that from hope the author is not recent

Share us the link

Etrusen:
I understand what you are saying

I mean the person in question that used this word is not Akobeghian but a palace chief that used the words

talking about website and praise you must understand that it doesn't matter because praise is just something you think will please the person you are saying it to

so you can you anything

what the palace chiefs always do is combining ancient Benin to form words that will please or make the Oba smile or happy.

so sometimes you can't always find those words in your said web

You still believe on the Oduduwa shit, when we debated this issue the thread spanned to 53 pahe lots of citation here and there and it gave birth to many other thread i think you need to visit the thread too



Is ths praise name ancient that is the question you should be asking i grew up already knowing most of the oba praise name one way or the other

We ate tdying to remove myth from our history so we can have time to look at other aspects of it

Please dont yoeubanise our history

Etinosa1234:
This ur dictionary u quoted... Made by a German in the year 1937 claims Benin borrowed the word olori from Yoruba... Lol... Someone who prolly never came to Benin

Meanwhile there is a dictionary made more than 80 years earlier by born and bred Yoruba man that says that ayaba means Queen and olori means an entirely different thing ie headman, chief...


Tell melzani he is wrong here as there is an older account that opposes him

Oops... Just seeing that olori ... But still doesn't mean Queen......

Ayaba - Queen
Olori - wife of a person..

Olori in Benin - Queen...

Tao... Copied from the Yorubas



References A Vocabulary of the Yoruba Language, Compiled by the Rev. Samuel Crowther ... Together with Introductory Remarks, by the Rev. O.E. Vidal 1852


Areafada2
Samuk
Edeyoung
Gregyboy

Good job

TAO11:
So far in the course of this thread, the following retar.ded claims have been devastatingly debunked:

(1) The retar.ded claim (by disgruntled Binis) that Yorubas began using the word “Oba” in the post-1930s.

This has been debunked with written evidence of Yoruba usage from 1899, from 1897, from c.1867, from 1845, et al.

(2) The retar.ded claim (by @samuk) that there exists some “600 years” old written evidence of Benin usage of the word “Oba”.

This retar.ded claim is yet to be substantiated (even with an atom of evidence) despite more than 10 days (and still counting) of their torturous search.

Instead, these disgruntled Binis were at best only able to demonstrate (from their own warped logic) that the Yorubas have an earlier written evidence — 1845 (Yoruba) Vs. 1867 (Bini).

——————————————————
But what does it really mean that I was able to produce an 1845 written evidence and the Binis weren’t able to come even close to that ??

Well, it just simply means that the Binis weren’t able to come close to the Yorubas, despite their own bogus claim of wRiTteN eViDeNcE. Nothing more, nothing less! [I know I’m being too nice now].

To put the same question in other words:
Does the comparative written evidence already provided really mean that the Binis began using this word only in the year 1867 — because that’s all they could provide ??

Funny enough, this line of warped reasoning is what the disgruntled Binis have been trailing. Should I play their game along with them? No, I’m Yoruba!

To every sound and logically mind, such conclusion (based on available writing) is too obvious as a flawed reasoning and logical fallacy — even though I could have forced their own flawed reasoning down their throats.

Such particular logical fallacy is know in analytical logic specifically by the name: argumentum ex silentio.

————————————————————
Having debunked their deluded claim of 1930s [see (1)]; having exposed @samuk’s fraud of “600 years” old writing [see (2)]; having exposed their inability to produce anything close to (let alone earlier than) the Yorubas’ [see (2)]; having debunked their warped logic of arguing from earlier written usage (despite the fact that it favours me); I now turn, at this point, to discussing the actual objective evidence for determining the indigenous ownership of a word — that is, the linguistic evidence.

——————————————————————
The Argument:
(I) If a word is in use in a particular language, but its literal meaning can not be meaningfully analyzed within that language; then such word does not originally belong to that language. Gbam!

(II) The word “Ọba” (as used by the Binis for their monarch) does not have any literal meaning in the language of the Binis.

(III) In conclusion, the word “Ọba” (as used by the Binis for their monarch) does not belong originally to the Bini language — In other words, it is a loanword.

————————————————————
The Evidence:
An objective source of evidence for the meanings of Bini words is obviously and undoubtedly an authoritative dictionary of the Bini language itself.

[This is not to be confused with a dictionary of the English language which simply features a paltry number of non-English words of widespread, global, popular usage — such as: “fufu”, “agbada”, “oba”, et al.]

As such, recourse will now be made to a Bini-English Lexicon. This is so that the English readers here can access the written meanings which are attributed to the actual Bini words.

One such example of an authoritative material for this purpose is the work entitled: “A Concise Dictionary of The Bini Language of Southern Nigeria” compiled by the professor of African Phonetics and Linguistics, Hans Melzian.

———————————————————
Under the entry “Ọba” (for which Professor Melzian used “ɔ” to represent “ọ“, in order to distinguish /o/ as in odd from /o/ as in old ); the following are some interesting observations from this Bini dictionary.

(A) Unlike what the author did with virtually all other Bini words within the same dictionary, he did not give a literal meaning to this word — as I have expected.

Rather, he simply describes the person whom the Binis refer to by this word. Interesting, isn’t it?! See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754901_bb7fcaad09fc479498aedbb24cb57370_jpeg_jpeg80dbd02cb7ce1db81e998db7e161c38e

(B) But more than that, the author (in fact) let the cat out of the bag. He revealed why this word could not have had a literal meaning in a dictionary of Bini language.

Before I reveal his reason, it is important that one is acquainted with a few notations and abbreviations which he define in his work.

Two examples of these are relevant to my discourse here, and they are: “Yor.” and “cf.” which he defines as: “Yoruba” and “etymological reference” respectively.

See embedded image below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754902_541f22648c37485488282bea682c0e27_jpeg_jpegf272ec9b7e8de333789df15c524980aa

In the light of this background, let’s then see what reason the author indicates as to why this word could have appeared without a literal meaning in the Bini dictionary.

See embedded image below as highlighted on the top-right corner in continuation of the bottom-left corner.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12754903_7e31a3d03b7c407ab60e863fbf8fb4c2_jpeg_jpegfba5de93eebde69a9ef00beabf7a605c

In the light of his foregoing definition of abbreviations, what we have here in the phrase “cf. Yor. ɔba” then becomes extremely clear and straightforward.

In other words, the word “Ọba” [ɔba] (used by the Binis for their monarch) has its ”etymology” [cf.] (aka. ”origin”) in the Yoruba language [Yor.].

Quod Erat Demostrandum!

cc: Afam4eva

The title oba entered the yoruba lexicon through benin ventures into Eastern yoruba during its expansion, and soon diffused into all yorubas

There is a parable in owo, that says, just as the oba n' idu commands respect on earth olodumare commands respect in heaven
Despite interaction with eastern Yoruba they made a sizable contact with vast yoruba tribe too

Benins supplied the atilaries used in the yoruba civil war of late 1800

If we are to mention benin influence on vast yoruba land it will too numerous to mention


The yorubas always have the claim oromiyan came to establish the obaship stool on benin but when taken a deeper look into this history shows that it was a political staged myth of late 1800 after the benin invasion by the British, oba eweka11 sought monarchial help from the then ooni to help strengthening the political power of the edo people who was emerging from a devastating war that burnt down the city capital
You know the rest
The benin monarch accepted to be one of oduduwa son, in the hierarchy it was ooni first and oba of benin second, at these time alafin was still having superiority battle against the ooni, later when awolowo elevated the stool, the alafin subcumed and decided to stay at second displacing the oba to third position

So their argument on the ownership of the word oba has been defeated

It was mere politcs even the yoruba unification was not historical and ife was never thier ancestral town ife was a religious town to the yorubas


The title oba has bern in the yoruba lexicon as far
As 16century when benin expanded into their territory that would be 6centuries now
Despite the long age it has been in Yoruba lexicon it remains foreign to them

Imagine benin supplying yoruba warriors fighting atilaries, controlling their lands, giving them kings, controlling their market, just imagine how the title oba would sound to them


When the oba of benin was being taken to calabar by the British they had to cover his face to avoid uprise from both benin areas and non edo territorie

Note
Not until 1930 the ooni of ife used the word oba officially to adress is title letting go of the British sir in replacement of oba

He made a mistake of not foreseeing the end of the false political unification of benin people under yoruba umbrella he only saw the advantage of the name it would bring to his stool

He never proclaimed other yoruba monarchs to follow suit but automatically the other yoruba bought into adding oba to thier title

Note

Ogie is a title for duke only the oba of benin bears the title oba of benin

The question every tribe should ask yoruba is why do they adopt the word oba as a generic term for kingship when already is known to adress a popular monarch

I guess the answer can also be found in my writeup

Picture of one of the ooni holding an edo ceremonial sword wanting to mimic the benin stool, but i guess he later drooped it

TAO11:
Insecure Bini Liar: Look, the Ooni of Ife uses “Sir” instead of “Oba”

Sane Person: In what capacity did he use the designation “Sir”? Is it with respect to his traditional stool?

Insecure Bini Liar: [scratches bald head and goes] Well, that was in his capacity as a politician and governor of Western Nigeria

Sane Person: Why did you post this when you already no it will be nonsense?

Insecure Bini Liar: I am a Benin boy — AKA. I peddle falsehood for a living.


Well, no Ife crown looks like Benin crown. The crown Ife dispatched originally to Benin is different from the one we use for ourselves in Ife.

Moreover, the embedded image below is the crown Ewuare II met on ground.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12759346_bcae8dfa4eab4a62b716a54b831903d3_jpeg_jpeg59402b0ca576eb809b70f9aad63fd033


The second screenshot is the fake one he created just to resemble the Yorubas’ tall Ade-Nla.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12759347_740e49eb760f43daa5c14504578e0bd9_jpeg_jpegf464a6611b8d8a58bd78766b8fbade2e

Do you enjoy this logic or you want to drop it. Till then.

FALSE as always.

The embedded image below shows Oba Adesoji Aderemi with the Ada.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12759394_614ffe2c34f0443b8f07207288697c41_jpeg_jpegb48e53e7d74aadf800f4308526a9e082

The peak of insecurity and inferiority complex. A father admired his son though — more like: I’m proud of you son.

Anyways, the embedded image below shows your Oba Akenzua II when he came to Ife for confirmation as part of his installation rites.

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I can show you picture of the other Obas after him (Erediauwa and Ewuare II ) also in Ife.

1st attachment is Erediauwa in Ife for confirmation and culminating installation rites.

The 2nd attachment is the reigning one (Ewuare II) in Ife for confirmation and culminating installation rites.

Ife kings never go to Benin on ascension. It’s always the other way round.

All these kings you mention going to see ooni in their books they wrote that ooni is their son

More like if the son does not find the father, the father out of wisdom would find is son


Dont make indulge in the political myth of oduduwa please

davidmarker2:
Fake crown, created by the ooni of ife adesoji aderemi to imitate the crown of the Oba of Benin.

Lol bursting their bubbles

Etinosa1234:
Shut the fuvkup if u don't know what you are saying
This is the first dictionary compiled by Samuel Ajayi Crowther
He clearly interpretes Queen as ayaba

So explain how Benin copied the olori word for queen

If u don't know something say it instead of saying nonsense and waiting for Tao to save ur ass

A Vocabulary of the Yoruba Language, Compiled by the Rev. Samuel Crowther ... Together with Introductory Remarks, by the Rev. O.E. Vidal 1852

And a queen wive is ayamo

Etinosa you get sense i would have not reason to use thsg drunkard book against them


They won dey claim

Oloi to olori


Afam4eva we don catch them again

AreaFada2:
Lol@Queen Idia head.
If not for tribal politics it would be a good thing to present to Ooni.
Afterall Benin is his ancestral home. Nothing demeaning or inferior about it. I do not see Oba of Lagos or Olu of Warri or the many monarchs that descend from ancient Benin as inferior.
Windsor ruling house of UK are Germans. Both Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip are German blood. But they are not inferior to Germans.

I don't watch bbn or any lazy show, but Benin culture pops up everywhere.

No i disagree ooni is not a son of benin, i can say yes for the others not ooni and that political myth

Let myth be known as myth before it soils the full history

scholes0:
looool... are you sure you are even bini?

Every true born Edo person knows than a queen is Olori. how you chose to pronounce it is up to you peeps... just the same way you lots pronounce Oba with the wrong intonation.

Sharap


A queen is called oloi, a queen motheris called iyoba


You lots soon forget we ruled your ass to start hurrying to claim

Yorubas are always copying benins even in worship of deity

I must tell you, awka ibom people are good people, i have a girlfriend who is from there, i also served there 'in a village called uquo ,esit-eket LGA....but i won't be committing a fallacy of hasty generalization .

There are few Akwa Ibom natives that feed on humans...let me tell you a short story.

Many years ago in year 2000, i was still around 8yrs old when we relocated to a remote part of Nasarawa state from Kaduna, then our apartment still have lot of vegetations around because the area was still uninhabited with just few buildings around....i was just playing and decided to go and catch butterflies in a vegetation behind my house, suddenly cutlass flew passed me and as i spurned around, i saw this dark skin man which i believed came to get grasses for his goat,immediately a ran out of the bush but never told anyone about it. This man is someone i know,because due the scanty population i knew almost everyone around d small neighborhood.

Then i never knew his intention for throwing cutlass at me but now i have a strong believe his intentions were to probably get me unconscious and butcher me like a dog... i would had been a good hunt for him if not for God.

This said man is from Akwa Ibom state. I am 28 now, and still see this same man whenever i visit my parents.

My brother hide your head

Etrusen:
TAO11 Is always trying to use fake words that have no meaning to support her claim just like the ovbi Ada ovbi Eben praise

and the ovbi oodua n uhe praise.

my brother ( gregyboy )
if you listen to Akobeghian 10 years anniversary song when a chief ( I have really forget his name ) was singing praises to the Oba that just passed in a song Akobeghian started by saying

" Erediauwa gha do legbe re
No do diauwa n edo

meaning : Erediauwa will one day come again to become Oba again.


if you listen to that akobeghian anniversary song you will find it there.

Is it an edo website nope, akobeghian used it, because he choosed too

Listen to ancients benin oba praises you will never hear it do you want to bet on it

AreaFada2:
Of course.
If you go to BBC website called bitesize, you will see BBC animation of daily life in Benin Kingdom to teach British kids about African history.

Their 9ja parents that Nigeria tribal education system miseducated are left baffled. Because tribal education politics already in Western region and continuing with universal basic education WAZOBIA doctrine relegated Benin history. These parents who grew up with population supremacy ego just can't get why "oyinbo carry tiny Benin history for head". So they think oyinbo are not well informed about Africa to know that WAZOBIA are the important tribes. They think oyinbo just saw a few arts in museums and got confused. They don't realise their gargantuan tribalism induced ignorance.

But Europeans who saw it first hand 500 years ago know better.

They were hapoy thier language is gonna be used in brazil that same brazil presented ooni of ife in brazil queen idias head

As big as quora we just have two pictures for african art the benin artworks and Egyptian artworks

A Kenyan guy i spoke to when i posted the oba of benin pics on whatsapp amongst other yoruba monarch he singled handedly pointed out the oba picture and said he was familiar with his dress from bbn that very day i knew bbnaija was global

TAO11:
Insecure Bini Liar: Look, the Ooni of Ife uses “Sir” instead of “Oba”

Sane Person: In what capacity did he use the designation “Sir”? Is it with respect to his traditional stool?

Insecure Bini Liar: [scratches bald head and goes] Well, that was in his capacity as a politician and governor of Western Nigeria

Sane Person: Why did you post this when you already no it will be nonsense?

Insecure Bini Liar: I am a Benin boy — AKA. I peddle falsehood for a living.




Bini lair on the loose. Catch him and bring him to TAO for flogging.

The transgendered is Hot once more

Disgust me

davidmarker2:
The fact is in a real debate, there are moderators whom are supposed to apply the rules of logics to the speeches of the debaters.
But, in here there is no such thing. The prefered speech is often not the most logical.
In here the public is mostly ignorant and uneducated (education is not limited to reading and writing and copy-pasting, there is way more to education thatn that).
In logical terms, this debate ended years ago. The yoruba have been proven wrong in logical terms. But once again, this forum is not logical, the debaters are uneducated and illogical. So, they will debate a thing which has already been proven...again..again...it is an unending cycle.

Sensitization is not easy it gradual some of them will be lecturer tomorrow and dey will make the rigt choice by given the right history


Old age would make them accept the truth all this lies are youthful exorbitant

AreaFada2:
Bros, you have heard of gold rush in many historical writings. Have you ever heard of "San San" rush? No, because it is gold that has value.
The reason everybody wants to claim Benin or Benin arts is because they are intrigued by it.

Even abroad, their kids learn of Benin history at school before age of 8. They will come home asking "dad, are we Benin?" Because Benin was the topic chosen in African history.
Imagine how that question makes haters para.

If Benin people had said we are same people, they would use it to imply Benin is part of them. Then we would all be great friends. The cross dresser digging papers from 100km underground and sleepless nights would be now be smiling like Christmas goat at Benin boys. By now computer screen have probably so much messed up her eyes that her lenses are thicker than Donald Trump's bomb proof Beast Limousine windows.

She brought out the picture of someone, if that guy is truly who she says he is, his head shows he has serious brain matter for intelligence. I know what I mean. I have compared people's achievements book-wise to cranial anatomy when they are "no more with us".

Let him compare that guy to Tinubu, OBJ, Aregbesola and tell us more about handsomeness.

Bro you dont mean it at d bolded

TAO11:
See them consoling each other.

Wahala be like bicycle true-true.

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The fear of ghostwon makes her wet, and Hot

The ooni of ife who changed his title from sir adesuji to oba


Ooni the copy cat

davidmarker2:
Picture 1: adesoji aderemi, the ooni of ife who was the first ooni to copy the "Oba" title. Notice that the habbit of calling him "Oba" had not sat in yet. He is being referred to as "sir" in many captions.

Picture 2: The actual real ife crown met by aderemi adesoji, before he created a new one which was made in the model of the Benin crown. Also notice he had no Benin sword being held near him, yet. The person who copoied the Benin sword is the ooni of ife preceding the current ooni of ife

Picture 3: like picture 1

Picture 4: Notice how the crowd is admirative of the Oba of Benin, notice the ooni of ife adesoji aderemi is part of the admirative crowd.

Are you ghostwon

We need your kind once in a while here lets end this debate once and for all

davidmarker2:
Etinosa1234
AreaFada2
Samuk
Valirex
Ghostwon
Davidnazee

Look, I don't want to boast, but I am very intelligent. Things I say generally take a long time for most nigerians to understand. That is the problem when your intelligence is way above average. Nobody understands you.
So to everybody, i suggest you read what I wrote, if you don't understand then reread it until you do. Nomatter how long it takes.

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Ayoemrys:
Trash,

come back carry your trash in shame when you realize what OBA really mean in Yoruba language,

I got inspired by the gods to write this

Anyway i hope you aint saying the gods are crazy
Make thunder nor go use you learn

A sad story,

The oba didnt die because osopa-kahrha bewitched him with illness but rather because his mom was angered because he killed the osopa-kahrha hence obanosa killed his father own mother

Which led to his own death



Sad one, i can imagine benin at those times

Etrusen please throw more light on this

Yorubas can never leave benin alone

In the next life benin would not know anything like yoruba infact benin would be in asia while yoruba would still remain in the zoo with their fulani superheroes

They are just pest to our history

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Prolog
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