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Full time unitarian....

Yahweh Father and God of all(including Jesus)....

aletheia: What are you? I doubt if you understand even the meaning of your own words. . .it seems to me you are only regurgitating that which you learned by rote.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth is God in the flesh.

God cannot be seen.......no one can see God and yet live...have u forgotten??

People saw Jesus.....that is enough evidence to show Jesus wasn't God but a representative of God.....

Has d trinity dulled y'all senses??...

Jesus died.....does God or can God die??

This is absurdity @ its peak......

Jesus is Yahwehs representative and son of the most high.......

That's what angel gabriel told mary she'll give birth to...

Shikena...

aletheia: 3. I AM

(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

"Verily, verily". . .prefaced by a double Amen - the strongest oath - our Lord claims the name of the Divine Being. The Jews recognize His meaning and are angry enough to want to stone Him. An unbiased exegesis of this verses must recognize in it a declaration of the pre-existence of Christ. From the old Testament, we know that "I am" refers to the name of God Himself, Yahweh.
(Exo 3:14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
The Jews were quite familiar with the idea that Yahweh is the eternally existent One. What was new to them was the identification of this designation with Jesus. From the reactions of the surrounding Jews we have proof that they understood His reference as a claim to absolute deity.

In one single statement the supreme truth about the supreme Man is made known - His pre-existence, His absolute existence.

That the expression "I am" (ego eimi) is intended to declare the full deity of Christ is clear from the fact that Jesus did not attempt an explanation. He did not try to convince the Jews that they had misunderstood Him, but rather He repeated the statement on various occasions.

Compare these two verses:
(Deu 32:39) See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

(Joh 8:23-24) And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

In the original Greek John 8:23-24 does not have the words I am he but rather it is I am that appears there. The translators added he. . .so the verses should properly read:
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins.

What I have written here is easily verifiable by checking an interlinear Greek NT.

A clear demonstration of divine name of Jesus is seen in:
As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. (Joh 18:6)

Trinitarians won't kill me with laughter...

Ok what about Jesus's words when he said::::

New Living Translation (©2007)
Remember what I told you: ""I am"" going away,
but I will come back to you again. If you really
loved me, you would be happy that"" I am"" going
to the Father, who is greater than I"" am"".
.......

Jesus used the words ""I am"" like about 3 times.....

The word ""I am"" denotes ones existence....


It shows ones exclusive person or existence....

Jesus=Jesus

Yahweh=Yahweh..

Aletheia=aletheia

Frosbel=frosbel.....

Jesus said ::the. Father is greater than ""I am""....

It shows Jesus and d Father are 2 seperate individuals and that one is greater than the other or 1 is lesser than the other.....

From ur conclusion of the word ""I am"" we can say that one ""I am"" is greater than another ""I am"".....

Isn't it??

MacDaddy01: Are you gay or something? Why would your mind go there?

Lmao........

I would like to say this one thing.....I've said it before and I'ma say it again...


ANYONE WHO DOESNT BELIEVE IN MIRACLES ISN'T A REALIST..........

Logicboy u aint a realist......ur just a skeptic

@frosbel....

One thing I would want u to really know is that Jesus after his ressurection was no longer a human....he became an immortal....angels in d heavens are immortals....

And also noting that there are but only 2 kinds of beings...

Physical(fleshly beings) or spiritual beings....

It is either one or the other.....

Jesus stopped being a human after his ressurection.....

Have u actually sat down to really go thru d book of 1 corinthians 15:35-50??

That bible book explains this whole thing.....

LagosShia: I have read your explanation and the main point I understand you're basing your explanation on is that Jesus (as) can materialize and de-materialize and that is why the disciples were able to touch him after "resurrection".you also maintained that flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God and therefore resurrected bodies are spiritualized.

Thanks a lot for the explanation.I have a few more questions for you.

1.) Do spirits need to eat and drink?

2.) Will resurrected people eat and drink in paradise?

3.) Can you back your claim up that Jesus (as) could materialize and dematerialize with any verse in the bible? 1 Peter 3:18 doesn't say he could materialize and dematerialize;as in appear and disappear like a magic trick.the verse only says that Jesus (as) was created through the spirit of God and then died as a human in body and then the verse actually support he was "raised up" in spirit-apparently without justifying or explaining why his disciples were able to touch an alleged "spirit".as a muslim I do believe that Jesus (as) was created or "made alive" by the spirit of God.we even call Jesus (as) "ruhullah" which means "spirit of God".also we believe he was a man whose body can die.but we don't believe the last part which says he was "raised up" in spirit (aside from the fact that we muslims don't believe he died in the first place).we believe in bodily resurrection.

The point I am making is the verse doesn't support that Jesus (as) materialize and dematerialize.the parting of the soul from the body doesn't mean you can appear and disappear like angels,which are spiritual beings different from us.

So please back up your claim about materializing and dematerializing.

Ressurected persons who will live in heaven do not need to eat,just as angels don't too....

But when necessary they can materialize and do that.....I already gave examples....angels ate bread with abraham.....if need be they materialize to do that....that's d point......

1 peter 3:18:::::::is clear on this issue.....

It isn't talking about Jesus been created....its talking about his been ressurected....

We are on the ressurection issue my bro.....

Ok try explaining this point....

""Jesus was put to death in the flesh(body),but raised up in the spirit'""

That verse is so crystal clear....

Jesus died fleshly,but was raised up unfleshly(in the spirit).......

Flesh can't stay in heaven,only spirits can......

Jesus culd materialize and de-materialize for him to pass thru a locked room....

Frosbel has anytin like that happened amongsts mortals before??

Ubenedictus: i know a xtian wu said he didnt hate satan, satan is d instrument God uses to test us. In essence satan has his purpose. Just dont follow him and praying for him is useless.

I think I know who ur talking about.....lmao.....

obadiah777: rightttttt LOL.

Oboy I don tire for this hell fire gibberish...

The different stories of different persons only shows how fallacious the whole thing is

All lies......

Those visions are all lies.......

There is no burning furnace called (hell)....

Micheal Jackson and the pope are both in there graves......

When will professed christians start reading there bibles....SMH!!!!!!

[quote author=LagosShia][/quote]1 peter 3:18 says Jesus was made alive in d spirit.....he was put to death in d body(flesh),and was raised up in the spirit...

The truth is d rationale behind Jesus appearing with a body which his disciples culd see and touch is that Jesus could materialize and de-materialize........

Angels who are spirit creatures can and have done that in the past......its not a new thing

Jesus was able to move to places with d speed of light.....Jesus could pass thru locked rooms....

Only a spirit person can do that.....

And how on earth was Jesus able to go back to reside in d heavens if he wasn't a spirit.....

Flesh can't inherit the kingdom of the heavens.....the scriptures says that.....

The fact is @ one time or the other Jesus had to be a spirit to go back to the abode he came from..........

1 corinthians 15:35-50

35 But someone will say, “How are the dead
raised up? And with what body do they come?”
36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive
unless it dies. 37 And what you sow, you do not
sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—
perhaps wheat or some other grain. 38 But
God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each
seed its own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is
one kind of flesh[c] of men, another flesh of
animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies and
terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the
celestial is one, and the glory of the
terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of
the sun, another glory of the moon, and
another glory of the stars; for one star
differs from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead.
The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in
incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is
raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is
raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body,
it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural
body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so
it is written, “The first man Adam became a
living being.”[d] The last Adam became a life-
giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the
natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The
first man was of the earth, made of dust; the
second Man is the Lord[e] from heaven. 48 As
was the man of dust, so also are those who are
made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so
also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we
have borne the image of the man of dust, we
shall also bear[f] the image of the heavenly
Man.
Our Final Victory
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and
blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor
does corruption inherit incorruption. ...


Jesus was raised up a ""spirit"" different from the 1st adam..........

There 2 kinds of body::::

####Spiritual body


##### earthly body....

It is either one or the other......

If Jesus was raised up in d flesh then he is still earthly up there in d heavens.....

Jesus was raised up in the ""spirit""

Aba is d most useless city in 9j*a.....

I recently visited a freind @ ABA and also took pictures of the place....its awful,useless and a disgrace to nigeria....

The governor of abia should be sacked or impeached.....he's useless......

Lol.....this post will not kill me with laughter....

TOo funny....

haibe:
Malachi 3:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me
now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour
you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.


tithe (t )
n.
1.
a. A tenth part of one's annual income contributed
voluntarily or due as a tax, especially for the support
of the clergy or church.
b. The institution or obligation of paying tithes.
2. A tax or assessment of one tenth.
3.
a. A tenth part.
b. A very small part.


DL preaches monetary tithe? I hope you can see the definition of tithe, like have told you before, deeper life will be one of the least churches to spend their time preaching about money issues. Malachi 3:10 is irrelevant to christianity? I guess we should all tear it away from our bibles, how can the word of God be irrelevant, simple thing, bring tithe that there may be meat in my house and i will bless you, is that too much for we christians?

I know you believe we should not obey the law of God at all but infact malachi 3:10 is not a law, So whats ur excuse, if its irrelevant, then psalms and other favourable verses and promises of God like "you shall be the head and not the tail" should be irrelevant to christians also.

God tells us to prove Him, as to whether He will fulfill the
following promise: “Bring you all the tithes into the
storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and
prove Me now herewith, says the LORD of hosts, if I will
not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a
blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive
it” (Mal. 3:10).
If this were not enough, God extends His promise further.
Notice what else He promises: “And I will rebuke the
devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits
of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before
the time in the field, says the LORD of hosts. And all
nations shall call you blessed: for you shall be a delightful
land, says the LORD of hosts” (Mal. 3:11-12).
The promises in these verses were not limited to ancient
Israel. They are living promises, still in effect today, for
those who will take God at His word and actually PROVE
HIM!
This promises are still in effect today and if the promises are still in effect, the conditions for the promises must also be in effect. Thus i conclude that tithe is still applicable to we christians, you dont have to believe, its the truth.
I know we are fund of claiming promises in the scriptures even in the old testament but we never want to pay any price at all. May God help us.

Is there @ least just one verse from the New Testament that talks about tithing??

Did d 1st century christians tithe??

haibe:
Malachi 3:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me
now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour
you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.


tithe (t )
n.
1.
a. A tenth part of one's annual income contributed
voluntarily or due as a tax, especially for the support
of the clergy or church.
b. The institution or obligation of paying tithes.
2. A tax or assessment of one tenth.
3.
a. A tenth part.
b. A very small part.


DL preaches monetary tithe? I hope you can see the definition of tithe, like have told you before, deeper life will be one of the least churches to spend their time preaching about money issues. Malachi 3:10 is irrelevant to christianity? I guess we should all tear it away from our bibles, how can the word of God be irrelevant, simple thing, bring tithe that there may be meat in my house and i will bless you, is that too much for we christians?

I know you believe we should not obey the law of God at all but infact malachi 3:10 is not a law, So whats ur excuse, if its irrelevant, then psalms and other favourable verses and promises of God like "you shall be the head and not the tail" should be irrelevant to christians also.

God tells us to prove Him, as to whether He will fulfill the
following promise: “Bring you all the tithes into the
storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and
prove Me now herewith, says the LORD of hosts, if I will
not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a
blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive
it” (Mal. 3:10).
If this were not enough, God extends His promise further.
Notice what else He promises: “And I will rebuke the
devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits
of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before
the time in the field, says the LORD of hosts. And all
nations shall call you blessed: for you shall be a delightful
land, says the LORD of hosts” (Mal. 3:11-12).
The promises in these verses were not limited to ancient
Israel. They are living promises, still in effect today, for
those who will take God at His word and actually PROVE
HIM!
This promises are still in effect today and if the promises are still in effect, the conditions for the promises must also be in effect. Thus i conclude that tithe is still applicable to we christians, you dont have to believe, its the truth.
I know we are fund of claiming promises in the scriptures even in the old testament but we never want to pay any price at all. May God help us.

Is there @ least just one verse from the New Testament that talks about tithing??

Did d 1st century christians tithe??

Doesn't adeboye knw that the earth will never knw peace until its ruler is cast out??

Rich4god: Been on the side line and watching the thread... Realy cant help but laugh. (MY WORDS COMING TO PASS)
I Believe in the HOLY TRINITY.

Lol....

Naaaa...

Frosbel is not holding on to the trinity...

Jesus's bodily ressurection is a different topic all together.....

U believe in d trinity??

Ok na....


Mortal kombat triology....lol...

Add ur own comments here...

Ur welcome

Goshen360: @ Everyone,

I will love to invite all and throw a party anytime I visit the motherland. They ONLY thing I can assure you all is pounded yam + egusi/spinach soup cooked with bush meat (Grasscutter, that is my family business) and thereafter, a visit to the beach and some historic sites in my hometown, Badagry, Lagos State. But my fear for "some" of you that will attend is that you don't sell your birthright after eating the proposed meal......

Y'all wonderful people.

Heheheheh....

I like pounded yam well well...

E sweet....

:-)

frosbel: I am never in a haste when discussing issues of religion.

Anyway back to your point.

Did they see him PHYSICALLY ? Nay Sir.

They saw God either as angels imbued with the authority of GOD who appeared as men or in visions.

Let us consider Moses's experience.

This is God himself ,remember not an angel or a man.

21 Then the Lord said, “There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”
Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord. 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”

It is succinctly described in this one piece of powerful scripture that even Moses who was very close to GOD , could not see his face.

Oh, btw , how many Lords came down ? 3 ? Well not according to this scripture, only ONE GOD, The ALMIGHTY GOD of Heaven and Earth, the giver of LIFE , the only ONE and TRUE GOD.


Sorry I removed the other verses to avoid repeating myself and for brevity.




Define the words :

1. Beget
2. Bosom
3. Image
4. Son of MAN





Wrong again, 2 different persons, just like Father and Son , right.

Okay , let me explain. Let's start with Daniel 7

"the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and[b] the hair of his head like the pure wool[/b]: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire."

This verse depicts the Father quite clearly.

Then we move to vs 13 , and lo, Jesus appears on the scence which confirms that this is prophetic.


" I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him."

Note ;

1. Firstly we have a description of the ancient of days
2. Then appears Jesus
3. In fact Jesus is brought into the presence of Almighty Yahweh

So this clearly shows the superiority of God to Jesus Christ.


Now let us move to the next verse in revelation , shall we.



And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man,[d] dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.

1. Let me start by saying I believe in the deity of Jesus, in fact he is my saviour , the Lord of Lords and King of Kings and there is no one like him.

2. It clearly shows Jesus Christ in his glorified form

3. His dress implies his kingship and royalty

4. But it never says this is Yahweh

5. It calls him Son of MAN, not GOD

Perfect explanation...

Frosbel we rili need to discuss.....

Email me on::::

numo2numo@gmail.com

OR

Wagskehinde@yahoo.com


ur welcome in advance bro....

jayriginal:

But my bro na true na......

Peter and paul says Jesus was raised in the spirit not in the flesh.....

E be like them dey contradict Jesus....

But there is an explanation as to why Jesus could be felt and touched and culd even eat bread with his apostles after his ressurection...

Angels have done that in d past.....angels although beÍng spirits did materialize and stayed among men....ate with them too......

Spirit crÉatures or sons( angels)had d abiltyy to materialÍze and de-materialize when necessary....

....

There's sometin that baffles me...

How culd Jesus if raised in d flesh pass thru thick wall......Jesus did pass thru a locked room to see d disciples.....

Something only spirit creatures can do...

frosbel: Wrong !!

He was resurrected in the BODY .

It has been made so plain in scripture.

My dear bro frosbel...

1 peter 3:18 says Jesus was ressurected in the spirit.....

This is it....u haven't considered this verse my bro.....

English Standard Version (©2001)
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the
righteous for the unrighteous, that he might
bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh
but made alive in the spirit,
.....

Christ was not ressurected in the flesh but in the spirit....

Christ was to go back to heaven.....flesh does not reside in d heavens......

Christs ressurection was not d same with that of lazaruz or tabitha who were ressurected and stayed on earth....Jesus was to go to heaven...

In heaven only spirit creatures reside.....

frosbel: Wrong !!

He was resurrected in the BODY .

It has been made so plain in scripture.

My dear bro frosbel...

1 peter 3:18 says Jesus was ressurected in the spirit.....

This is it....u haven't considered this verse my bro.....

English Standard Version (©2001)
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the
righteous for the unrighteous, that he might
bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh
but made alive in the spirit,
.....
Darby Bible Translation
for Christ indeed has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in flesh, but made alive in the Spirit,

English Revised Version
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but quickened in the spirit;

Christ was not ressurected in the flesh but in the spirit....

Christ was to go back to heaven.....flesh does not reside in d heavens......

Christs ressurection was not d same with that of lazaruz or tabitha who were ressurected and stayed on earth....Jesus was to go to heaven...

In heaven only spirit creatures reside.....

[quote author=OLAADEGBU][/quote]Hey!!!!!!......

So from what u just said we can assume that

Flesh and bone = glorified heavenly body??

But Flesh is still part of it incase u've forgotten......

It is either Jesus was humaÑ after his ressurection or a spirit.....

Jesus was no longer earthly after his ressurection.....

I want u to actually explain d verses I put up there

OLAADEGBU: What then happened to His physical body that was buried in the tomb if He only resurrected spiritually?

You can ask Yahweh that question that created a body for d same Jesus b4 his descending to the earth......

Scriptures say christ was raised up a life Giving spirit(not flesh)

And I have asked u::::

Those apostles who died as matyrs that have d heavenly hope,how will they be ressurected??

Those who were beheaded,maimed,burnt on stakes,torn apart by wild animals @ d arena with what body will they be ressurected with??

I believe some will go into d heavens headless.....abi??


Scriptures say Chri§t was put to death in d body or flesh,but raised up in the spirit not in d flesh Again..

How does one handle that verse??

Ola ur 3rd body concept is no way in line with pauls inspired words...

It is either a spiritual body or an earthly one.....

Jesus did have a gloriuos spirit body b4 coming to the earth.....

There's nothing special about the word ""glorious"" in ur definition of a 3rd kind of body......

U can't tell me Jesus had a rotten,condemned body in heaven b4 coming to the earth....

Infact these are Jesus's words @ john 17:5....

New International Version (©1984)
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence
with the glory I had with you before the world
began.
......
New Living Translation (©2007)
Now, Father, bring me into the glory we
shared before the world began....

Jesus came from heaven,and back to the heavens....

With a spiritual body.....he was ressurected in the spirit not in d flesh

OLAADEGBU: You only know of 2 the third is a glorified body.



The trumpet would sound and we who believe and are looking forward to the Lord's coming will be changed, from corruptible to incorruptible.



Our Lord Jesus Christ resurrected bodily in His glorious body, in flesh and bones not flesh and blood.

If I call u mumu now u go vex...

Read d bible buddy...

1 corinthians 15:40-44


40 There are also heavenly bodies and there
are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the
heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor
of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun
has one kind of splendor, the moon another and
the stars another; and star differs from star
in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the
dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is
raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor,
it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it
is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body,
it is raised a spiritual body.


Ur body is sown a physical body(death) and is ressurected a spiritual body...

Its here in d scripture.....

Does a glorified body = flesh and bone??

If Jesus was ressurected in d flesh then it means apostle peter was infact confused when he wrote 1 peter 3:18...

NIV....18 For Christ also
suffered once for sins, the righteous for the
unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to
death in the body but made alive in the Spirit...

##...English Standard Version (©2001)
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the
righteous for the unrighteous, that he might
bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh
but made alive in the spirit,


It is either Jesus is a spirit in heaven or a flesh up there.....

U talk about a glorified body as if Jesus had a less glorified body when he was in heaven b4 descending to d earth....

Did Jesus have lower body or condemned body before coming to d earth??

OLAADEGBU: Are you saying that it not true that you believe that Jesus was Michael the arch angel before coming to earth?

I haven't come to that...

Let's finish with d issue @ hand.....

Answer d questions I have raised.....

We'll discuss the angel mike issue after this

frosbel: Yes , he was resurrected in the same body in which he died.

"because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay." - Psalm 16:10

Yeah....and 3days after christ was ressurected....but as what??

Let me read 1 corinthians 15:50

##..American King James Version
And so it is written, The first man Adam was
made a living soul; the last Adam was made a
quickening spirit.

##...Weymouth New Testament
In the same way also it is written, "The first
man Adam became a living animal"; the last
Adam is a life-giving Spirit.

......

Frosbel Í have another question...

Since those who woulÐ go to heaven will also experience d same change Jesus experienced(ressurection with a spiritual body),what body would they be ressurected with??

For those christians or disciples of Jesus who died as matrys,beheaded,tÓrn apart by beast§ in the arÉna or burnt on stakes,how would they be ressurected??

With there burnt bodies,beheaded bodies or torn bodies??

How??


imagine À matyr ascending to the heaveÑs with no heaÐ.......

Jesus been felt and sÉen by d apostles after his ressurection does nt mean he was ressÙrected in the Flesh.....

OLAADEGBU: This is not the whole truth. Our Lord Jesus Christ is the only One with a glorified body and the next batch of saints will only get this body after the rapture. The comparison Jesus made with resurrected saints and angels is in the sense that our glorified bodies would be immeasurable and immortal as the angels who neither marry nor are given in marriage. That marriage is only for mortals while immortals do not get involved in marital relationships.

That's nt true mr ola.......

The bible says there 2 kinds of body....

Physical or spiritual.....

U choose 1 or leave d other....

Let me ask u 1 tight question...

For u who believe in d rapture,what bodies would u be with to be caught up with Jesus in d sky??

Remember 1 corinthians 15:52 says

51 Listen, I tell you a
mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all
be changed—

Changed from what to what??

Remember d whole of 1 corinthians 15:35-58 was all about the kind of boÐy persons who will go to heaven will have....

Why shuld there be a change of body for those who won't fall asleep in death until d lords day comes??

Why don't they just ascend to the heavens with there flesh??

Why d need for a change of body??

OLAADEGBU: According to your beliefs Jesus was arch angel Michael, right? Let frosbel tell us who Jesus was before His virgin birth before I answer your kweshun.

And ur back with d angel mike issue.....

Slow down a bit buddy.....

Angel mike or not I believe Jesus was a spirit creature in heaven b4 coming to d earth.....

D question is what is Jesus now in d heavens??

U can start by answering that.....

Frosbel I need ur sincere exegesis on 1 peter 3:18....

The witnesses didn't reach that conclusion based on d fact that we know it all....

In order for scriptures to rhyme,we drew that conclusion......

Many say Jesus is with flesh in heaven,but JW believe Jesus is a spirit person right now in d heavens just as d angels are......

Why??

Because FLESH and blood or FLESH does nt live in heaven....

frosbel: "And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have," (Luke 24:38-39).

Ok d problem we have here is mayb d bible contradicting itself.....

There is an explantion as to why Jesus was seen and felt and touched after his ressurection.........

But I want u to answer this lil question I've been asking.....

When u say Christ was ressurected bodily,do u mean he was ressurected as flesh or in the flesh??...

That's my question....

frosbel: Jesus Christ rose in BODILY FORM before he was 'caught up ' to meet the Father .

1 Corinthians 15:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.

Luke 24:41-43
New International Version (NIV)
41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

New International Version (©1984)
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." - Luke 24:39

I knw......

Jesus wasn't a ghost.....indeed Jesus was ressurected....but not in d flesh.....that's my point.......

Because d same body Jesus was ressurected with is exactly d same body he ascended into d heavens with........

And u answerd dat Jesus ressurected with that which angels have...............

But let me ask....

When u say bodily,do u mean flesh??