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SLIDE waxie: Anything to discredit Africa is allowed

Bullshit!

Who says Nigerians are hungry before?

When have u heard or see people die of hunger in Nigeria.

i think i'm getting uncomfortable with these news alwys focusing on Africa and Nigeria as a focal point!

idlaw2k3: We will manage it...... That was just what the pilot was thinking, after all the flight is less than 45mins.

That is the attitude of Nigerians in general.

We can manage anything in this country,

rickety cars? no problem, we import them and manage it!,

unsafe boats we get on them and manage it,

even bad Governments officials who are supposed enforce laws meant to protect the public
we manage them.
After all it did not start today.

babyosisi:

You think an aircraft looks like the danfo you are used to
Kai
See the calibre of people in this place
Why should anyone ever take your posts seriously after this
Such ignorance

baybiemee: And a heartless fellow said it was an act of God

unmask: But seriously I find it hard to believe some Nigerians blame the west for all our problems..... Funny.... Real funny

One even said that was why the igbos wanted to pull out (it is no longer because of the progrom)

If Nigeria likes it should divide.... The same problems will still be there or are they planning to divide to 250 tribes?

Or have we forgotten the issue of the female judge that couldn't be judge? Or the priest that caused a protest?

I can't argue anything neither am I ready to read any book written by someone trying to gain black sympathisers....

But Nigerians are nigeria's problem

igbo2011: Most African countries don;t have the industrial infrastructure base to produce. Africa is meant to be a permanent cheap labor, cheap resources and consumer market. The global capitalist system is designed that way. If people don't obey they get bombed ie Libya.

igbo2011: Everything wasn't developed by them. Africans are the starters of civilization and we civilized the Europeans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLk50p7YdK0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL7-Y4_3QMs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRunD1kBF80

igbo2011: @Cap28
You have to understand that the MINDSET of vast majority of Nigerians (And black people around the world) is the thing holding us back. Why is it that in Nigeria you will see many Nigerians wearing shirts with flags on the, the countries are Germany, Britain, America. Why do Nigerians wear the flags of their oppressors? Is that white man forcing them to do that? Why is it that during the "royal baby" there were many black people going to see the royal baby. Isn't it crazy how that baby's ancestors tried to commit genocide on us? They also enslave, colonized and continue to neocolonize us. They portray us badly on media, steal our history, mis educate us and we love them so much? We have stockholm syndrome to the MAX. We love and worship whites nd hate our own people. White supremacy is nothing without black compliance. You know how blacks are treated badly in the west, why don't we treat whites badly in Africa? NOOO We love the expats. We wear European cloths, speak European langues, have European standard of beauty, give our kids European names, aspire to be like them. Nigeiran artists film many of their videos in America, Europe or South Africa. They worship the light skinned women. WOrship Italian designers. We give them good jobs in our countries even though they only give us bad jobs or stereotypical ones (entertainer) in their country. We spend billions of dollars importing Brazilian, Indian, Korean hair.

I have talked to a Nigerian and he said that everyone wants to be white. We were talking about business and he told me that I should bring H and M to Nigeria. WHY SO they can import everything and send all profits to Europe which will lower our foreign exchange. And this man said this after having a university degree. With this mindset we will ALWAYS be in our situation. I also talked to some Nigerians in London and I told them that the war in Libya and how America and Britain financed it and caused hell to Nigerians and other blacks who died in the black genocide. Instead of standing up for them they made an excuse for them. Then said if you can't beat them join them. I have spoken with so many black people around the world We have a severe case of mental slavery. This is the WORST form of slavery.

We need more Pan Africanist nationalistic black people around the world then our situation will be a lot better. We must not blame whites for everything. We are too selfish as well. I talked to someone and asked him if there was a war in Nigeria and people were going to exterminate Nigerians would he go back and fight them off, he said no because he might lose his American citizenship. Instead of caring about the SURVIVAL OF HIS PEOPLE he cares about his citizenship. Too selfish. We must change our mindset first and foremost.

thoth: I am trying to present a problem and you are trying to find somebody to blame and that is the problem with most Africans . I wonder if you start building a house from the fifth floor.

When you fail to identify the root of your problem and destroy it those things which you see(effects) will keep coming back at you because that is not the real problem. Trying to solve its effects will not solve the problem rather it will drain your resources(material, mental,strategic) and leave you worn out. For Christ's sake look around you and read African history. Can't we Nigerians think deeply for once

I never blamed anybody in all my post rather all I did was to present the origins of our problems which I believe that if we destroy it then we will only be left with the effects of the problem and that would be easy to solve.

Do you think Nigerians can install a pro-nigerian president and have that president in power without firstly killing the problem I stated at the root ? What will happen is exactly what happened in Egypt or even another Syrian Case.

I am trying so hard to make you understand me and you seem to be debating just for the sake of debate itself. Well, if that makes you feel much better ….

cap28: The first thing you must understand about nigerians is that we are not a nation - nationhood is defined as:

a community of persons not constituting a state but bound by common descent, language, history.

When you are a nation you do things that are in the interest of the country not against it.

The average nigerian does not see himself as a member of a nation thats why a nigerian politician can loot billions of naira from his own people and feel no guilt at seeing these same people living in abject poverty.

Again this goes back to the west- why did they force all of these vastly different groups of people to live under one articificial contraption ia - because it suited them thats why. they knew very well that we were all very different but they forced us into this fake union because they needed to have easy access to the land, labour and natural resources , they knew that the people on it would be at each others throats sooner or later but they couldn care less, it was all about what was in their best interests.

You are only ever going to get sefless leadership where you have a group of people who share common objectives - there are two many competing and conflictng interests between the various ethnic groups and this is reflected in the smash and grab mentality of the average nigerian politician.

however i still beleive that there are selfless nigerians who are willing to serve the nigerian people and lead the country to greatness its just that they are never allowed anywhere near the corridors of power.

I think the most pressing issue for nigerians now is to rid themselves of this cancerous elite, once we can acheive that, half of our problem will be solved.

I don't know if you noticed...but in the end, you and I are saying the same thing even though our approaches might
have been different.

Most countries that were colonized by the "Masters" are not homogenous entities. Yet, they rose above it.
Why not Nigeria? I heard (rumor ) there was a point in Nigeria when the government declared that Nigeria had too much money. It appeared that naira was stronger or close to the value of US dollar then. So what happened?

As absurd as it might sound, I bet you most Nigerians could care less if the leaders loot the treasury as long as the basic amenities
are in place. It is very difficult to argue for Nigeria with a straight face .

thoth: @InvertedHammer

It dawned on me that you did not understand a bit of all the posts i have made. i can no longer pinpoint where you stand or what you are suggesting, the more posts you make the more confused i become of what you are trying to sell.

cap28: The fact that i say that the root cause of nigeria's problems lies with the west does not mean that i am a defender of the bandits that run nigeria.

let me explain - the nigerian elite are indeed culpable in the destruction of nigeria but they are not the root cause of the destruction, the root cause lies with the people who have made it possible for them to even be your leaders in the first place and that is where the west comes in to the picture.

in order for you to even begin to understand how nigeria works you must understand world history which clearly you do not , hence your ignorance.

Let me break it down for you - britain up until the end of the second world war had an empire and nigeria was (and still remains) one of its possessions.

the United States emerged as the most powerful nation after the second world war and usurped Britain's position and began to build its own empire and assert its dominance over resource rich countries but it stayed out of africa due to a mutual agreement that it had with europe. this agreement states that america will not interfere with any of europe's colonies (possessions) as long as europe does not lay claim to any nations which america controls, this is known as the Monroe Doctrine - go and research it and gain some knowledge.

every single country on the african continent is owned lock stock and barrel by a european nation and the ones that refuse to be part of that arrangement have been attacked by either europe or america either militarily (somalia, libya, ivory coast ) or economically (zimbabwe)

Nigeria has never been an independent nation - the igbos attempted to breakout of this set up but found themselves facing the military might of britain who used their northern puppets to crush their attempted secession. Since the civil war, power, remains in the hands of a corrupt elite who have been handpicked by britain, if you are not given the green light by britain to take over the running of nigeria it will just be a matter of time before you will be overthrown by way of a military coup, sponsored and financed by either british intelligence, the CIA or any other european intelligence organisations.

a very recent example is egypt where a democratically elected president - mohammed morsi was removed by way of a CIA sponsored coup.

Now i knkow you must be asking why would britain do this - whats in it for them ? the answer is simple - limitless access to cheap crude oil cheap labour and a market of over 150 million consumers who are only too willing to remain obedient slaves to a system that exploits and abuses them, britain couldnt care less whether your leaders steal trillions of dollars of nigeria's wealth, all they are concerned about is that the country remain open for their corporations to ra.pe and plunder your resources at rock bottom prices with no hindrances - that is the bottom line.

The more corrupt your leaders are, the easier it is for the western govts to manipulate them, because a greedy person can be bought, whereas a patriotic leader can not.

A patriotic leader will never allow you to devalue his nation's currency, do a deal with western banks which involves handing over almost 90% of your foreign reserves in the name of debt cancellation, allow you to impoverish their citizens, take on more debt with interest, restructure their economy to suit the dictates of europe and america knowing full well that such restructuring will lead to mass unemployment, poverty and despair, the list goes on.

it is pitiful that you claim to be educated but do not understand that the above mentioned are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the abuse and exploitation being meted out to nigeria by britain.

The situation is so bad that despite all of the above, britain still has the nerve to ban nigerians from their country by imposing racist immigration policiese against nigerian citizens - this is the level of contempt that they have for us, they abuse us and they laugh in our face and yet we still have people like you still wallowing in ignorance failing to understand where their problems are coming from.

You talk about ignorance being bliss - you should know because you are neck deep in it, my advice to you is use the time that you have in america to re -educate yourself - education is not just about cramming textbooks - its about understanding the world that you live in, which clearly you dont.

Before i end this response let me go back to your statment about the west not being responsible for the corrupt practices of nigerian politicians - ask yourself this question - why do western banks continue to allow nigerian politicians to hide their loot in their banks?

In law if you are an accomplice to a crime you are equally culpable therefore why is the accomplice in this instance not held to account but only the perpetrator of the crime?

Lets go back to the 1970s - In 1976 Murtala Muhammed was summoned to the white house by the then US national security adviser Henry Kissinger to play the part of the obedient african house boy and guess what? he told Kissinger to go to hell!!

Murtala Muhammed refused to be treated like a house boy and made it clear that nigeria did not take orders from the west. He was adamant that nigeria should be a non alligned nation with full control over its economic and poliltical destiny, not long after adopting this stance he was assassinated and replaced with the imperialist stooge Obasanjo - contrast that with the pitiful behaviour of Goodluck Jonathan

In 1984 another progressive nigerian in the person of Muhammadu Buhari took over the reigns of power - here is a man who strongly opposed the west's destructive economic policy known as Structural Adjustment Policy (SAP), he also wanted a moratorium (freeze) placed on all interest owed on outstanding loans to western banks - how long did he last? Approximately 20 months thats how long.

Who replaced him? The notorious IBB (a man who Buhari was planning on retiring from the army)

Now i ask you, why is it that every time nigeria has been opportuned to find a progressive leader something happens to them, either they wind up dead or they are removed by way of a coup ?
On the other hand criminals like IBB, OBJ seem to have access to a revolving door into the corridors of power?

I know you will never be able to answer any of those questions because you have not yet understood how nations operate and my beleif is that it may be too late for you to wake up.

thoth: You are entirely wrong and I think you are the one that sincerely needs an education. Mr Rodney was explaining the systems built to serve as foundations to KEEP African Underdeveloped and to SUSTAIN Underdevelopment in Africa. There were never a page or paragraph which asserts that it is a discourse of pre-colonial Africa and no Discourse on Walter Rodney's book that I have read so far has ever noted his work as such.
You should stop trying to sound smart yourself and I honestly doubt you had even read the book at all.

thoth: You misunderstood Cap28’s post and I blame your ignorant of African and especially Nigerian history for that, He is actually speaking to people who actually knew how things ACTUALLY WORKS and not people who THINKS they knew.
Before I go on to explain I think it is important to point out that your kind is what the Intelligence community refers to as “Good Kook” because you don’t know the origins of your problems, you are rather aware of the effects so the Imperialist love people like you because you will always act the “African way” you are predictable because they know you don’t even understand your problem and they know the problems you will tackling are not actually the real problem though in your all knowing mind you believe you are getting it right. That is why many African nations have tried to liberate themselves but just imploded within and found themselves I a worse mess than they are before.
Knowing the actual problem is the Key and the problem is what Cap28 is trying to elucidate.

Lets list it as problems and effects.

Problems:

We have very bad leadership that is a fact but we have to ask ourselves how did we end up with such people. It is clear to any enlightened individual that since the colonization of Nigeria and many African countries we have not chosen our leaders rather they were imposed on us. Great leaders whom has tried to develop the nation has either been assassinated by the West (Murtala Mohammed, Gen Sani Abacha, Tunde Idiagbon) and the others were overthrown (Buhari etc) then western puppet leaders and ministers were imposed on us(Headbanging,Obasanjo,Shagari). These leaders prioritize the western destructive interests above that of the nation(masses) the west gives them list of their minions to nominate to further and more precisely exploit the nations (Okonjo Iweala, many ex Shell/chevron staffs etc, World bank/IMF staffs) the result of that is the west has total control of almost every sector of the country. With those leaders in place they can further play the masses and divide them according to tribal, religious or economic lines. What those leaders stand to gain for their servitude to the west is that they can under the western/European protection loot the nation dry as long as they expose the resources the west wants, use their military to put pressure on non-aligned leaders both within or outside the country. They can murder and massacre the people and the west will turn a blind eye and rather extol them.(odi massacre, Zaki -ibiam massacre, Obasanjo’s list of political assassinations, Babangida’s list of assassinations etc)

Effects:

A very popular Russian saying goes “the fish rots from the head” and it is well known that a people or nation is a reflection of their leaders, Cap28 pointed out that Nigeria produces enough oil to give its citizens a very good life but as you can the from the effect of the White supremacist impositions those resources gets looted and what you have instead is poverty, all the foreign investments that should have been beneficial to Nigerians were not so because the sort of deal that backs these investments in this country is rather exploitative than developmental. In fact the whole situation came about from these impositions, those puppet tyrants have the support of the imperialists to kill and persecute any person that wants to effect a change since such changes does not benefit the puppet leaders and their western masters.
SO in all the rot can whole be attributed to the western interventions in Black man’s development.

There are many publications on this on the African Journal and I can offer you many if you don’t know where to find one.
People should first of all arm themselves with the knowledge of their history before trying to debate on issues which asks for proper understanding.