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Katsumoto:
You used the Key word there for Bush - JOKE which is different from the downright hate directed at Obama from far right individuals. Even Negro NTN opened a thread in this section and stated that Southern Democrats switched to the Republican party because of the colour of the POTUS. Not being able to articulate a point like Clinton or Obama is one thing, not having a clue is another. If you are asked on camera why you travelled thousands of miles to DC to protest against Obama and all you can say is 'mmmm, well, well, well mmmmm; I am tempted to conclude that such protesters are protesting for obvious reasons.

'Obvious reasons' Katsumoto? Not by a long long stretch.

You saw an interview, maybe 2, heck lets make it 10 or 20, of protesters who couldn't articulate the cause of their anger - you concluded without any other evidence that they are racist, and you subsequently attributed their shortcomings (and your perceived opinion) to an entire group of people and dismissed them as racist? Three insignificant (in the grand scheme of things) democrats switched parties and that somehow is indicative that racism is rampant within the political powerhouses? Isn't this making kilimanjaro-sized mountains out of plastic mole-hills? Okay oh. I don talk my own finish. If this is what you believe, then nothing I say will change that.

That a few informed citizens like Palin does not remove from the fact that a majority of her followers are ignorant. We might have to agree to disagree on this. You analogy about Lady Gaga and the Osbournes does not apply here. They are entertainers and are bound to be either liked or disliked by both informed and ignorant people.

Ditto my last response to the above.

Are you suggesting that many Americans do not like Obama because he took action to reverse the bad economic climate? Can you or anyone opposed to the stimulus bill suggest alternative approaches to dealing with the recession?

I can't help but chastise you here - as this is the exact same criticism Obama's folks frequently employ - and it is flat out not true. People are not upset because he "took action" - they are upset because of the actions he took - and refusal to see this is very very suspect. He could've not bailed out those corps, not passed a stimulus we really couldn't afford - and whether or not it would've resulted in financial armageddon remains only for God to know. Nobody knows what would or would not have happened. And please also note bail-outs started with Bush - and american citizens were not happy with it then.

I liked a lot what you said here:

Katsumoto:
It is difficult to quantify what the cost of inaction or any other wrong actions might have been.

very very true. Which is why I mentioned to Negro that I understand and sympathize with Obama's decision to go ahead with the bail-out, stimulus etc.

^lol. Bad boy Negro. No more visuals for u

Montelik, yessir. No mo labels. Truth is tho, generally speaking, most of us fall into general categories- and thats not necessarily a bad thing, if u know what i mean.

And speaking of labels, Ochi_agha, I can tell u one thing thats guaranteed, 99% of regular folks like we in here have some democrat n repub ideaology in us. I think the media has done an ingenious job of bastardizing general perception of both. I know this becos i have both Lib n conserv friends, and they are nothing like what is portrayed as popular opinion.

Vesc, no vex ehn.
Nothing less than 100% cheerios is good enough from me to you. Pt 8 (i think) is forthcoming, with a section seeking your pardon.

vescucci:
Me, I loved seeing[b] giant bullets and bigger knives and humongous explosions[/b].

Lol. Please tell Eldee about mindless action

doyin13:
If I try to remove money from my wallet to pay and watch expendables, the money would rather self destruct.

And if I try use card, the reading machine go scream ''YOU NEVER CHOP BELLEFUL AND YOU WAN BURN MONEY''.

How come my own did not self-destruct?
Btw, Doyin, wetin be dat for your profile picshure? lol. Na wa oh. I know say you be gym freak but I no know say e reach dat level.

eldee:
mindless action does not belong to this generation, people need to understand this.

Dude, I think you're in the wrong generation mindless, senseless, double clutch, steroid-enhanced action is what we want and love. You berra ask sombodi.

I was going to 'not-comment' on JK . . . then he went and committed another sin with this (criminal words in bold and italics)

justkunmi:
I suggest 'Social Network' next.

Now I really have no comment. Final answer.

See Obinna took the correct route (JK take note)

obinna5000:
@JeSoul
Who's next on the list?

V3
Vescucci
JK
Kobi
Obinna
-->Spiked
Kay
Jesoul

So someone berra find Spikey or Kay or Jesoul.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=572586.msg7384240#msg7384240 date=1292966108]A presidential victory is based on two factors: 1) participation in an electoral district and 2) electoral college.

Projecting from the newly released census result (and I hinted on this outcome in an earlier post), the likelihood of Democrat winning the White House in 2012 is lost. . . totally and completely lost!

Between November 2nd and yesterday, nine Democrats in the Georgia House of Representatives have crossed the aisle and switched party to Republican. They bring their districts along with that switch. I hear this is happening in many other states, particularly in the South - I attribute this to the legacy of sons and daughters of Confederate who feel an aggrieved sense of loosing their birthright to the White House to a colored man.

I am an issue voter. . .stopped voting on party line long ago. However, I do sympathize with Democrats on this loss of the White House and Congress in 2012.[/quote]Lol. Negro this democratic obituary is a bit premature don't you think? lol.

  True these gains for the republican side certainly enhance their chances in '12 but still . . . you can count on one hand how many times a presidential incumbent has lost re-election. Obama's popularity has taken a hit, but not nearly big enough to completely damn his chances of re-election.
  And don't forget it also matters big who the Republicans pick to run against him.

Karma, they say is a b****. What goes around will surely come around and whatsoever you sow, rest assured, you will reap bountifully.

wow. I'm flattered. All this praise for me? SemiD you sure say plenty typo no dey your post so?

My vote goes to my boy 40-Dude. His versatility is unmatched. He sticks to his guns and makes his point without shaking. I love the guy tons. A-40 for me

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=559737.msg7390686#msg7390686 date=1293044159]Triangulate - You have the political aptitude of a "Clintonian". The ability to stay above the fray and maintain magnanimity.[/quote] all this praise for only me? walahi, I must share it with somebody . . . Montelik my fellow conserv, wanna get in on this? 

Negro's response and remarks are dictated based on the amount and brand of liquor served last night.

ROTFLOL . . .   in that case drink like a fish from Russia

With people like me behind you, trust me you will win an office, . . .

very noble sir. But ehn . . . for real I no go last. The amount of masks one has to put on and the massive amounts of behind-kissing one has to perform is just too much for me. Surely, you wouldn't encourage me to such a fate

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=559737.msg7390612#msg7390612 date=1293043399]JeSoul, there is something very familiar with how you respond to views and I love it.

You should seek elective office. . . I will campaign for you. You are very good at "triangulating". I just love it!!

Ok, you win the debate.[/quote]but I don't want to win now lol. And which one be triangulating? lol. Thanks Negro. You have your moments of brilliance like I said to you in the past and that last post of yours was loaded. Overall, very great discussion!

And oh, me run for office? I won't survive a day. I don't know how to be politically correct. I just can't do it. Its not one of my talents

Katsumoto:
I think you are over-simplifying the issue. Like all presidents, Obama will be criticised but the criticism of Obama reached such levels that even presidents who failed such as Bush jr did not receive such. When the tea party and town hall movements protesters moved on Washington, many of them were interviewed but a majority could not articulate why they were protesting against Obama. Even President Carter said what a lot of people were thinking; that racism was behind it all. And that is coming from a man known for his pacifist views.

Hmm . . . I hate to play the location card but do you live here in America? cos I think if you did you would know that you are dead wrong on this. I have never seen hatred like it was and still is exhibited towards George W. Go to the grocery store, movies, post office . . . its a running joke when something goes wrong to be attributed to Bush. I don't think Obama's criticism has fallen to the depths of Bush, not at all.

And the fact some of his haters may not be able to articulate the reason for their protest does not automatically mean they are racist. This is a cheap cop out Katsumoto and I think you know it 

You say Americans are not ignorant, yet Sarah Palin has such a huge following.

I'll let Negro deal with this one. On second thot lemme take a stab . . .  so your equation is this right - a good chunk of Americans like Sarah Palin = americans are ignorant.

common now dude.

You might as well say: A huge chunk of Americans and Brits like Lady Gaga/The Osbournes = americans/brits are ignorant.

I like Sarah Palin. Does that make me ignorant? I agree with a lot of what she says/does, and on the flipside I disagree with a lot of what she says and especially her methods and actions. I am one of her fans who hopes she does not run for president because I don't think she's qualified and can bring the country together like it needs to be. She's too divisive a figure and generally unwilling to deviate from anything conservative. But I still like Sarah Palin - am I still ignorant? Katsumoto, I beseech thee to please rethink thy position.

The one fault I think Obama has is in pushing through the Healthcare reforms. It is clear that the most vociferous commentators are against it. In all the brouhaha, those who will benefit from it have largely kept quiet. Whatever the arguments are for the Healthcare, if a majority are against it, then the benefits need to be articulated and communicated to the citizenry.

With regards to the economy, I believe that Obama has taken well meaning steps. He bailed out corporations whose bankruptcy would have led to high employment. He employed supply-side economics by implementing the Keynesian based Stimulus plan to stimulate the economy. He has also extended the Bush tax cuts even though he his personally against extending it for the top 2%. Obama went on an economic visit to Asia which yielded approximately $15 billion in trade deals and will create almost 60,000 jobs. Obama is trying is trying his best. For the rest of his tenure, he needs to over-look leftist/welfarist policies for many reasons. My opinion

'The White House on Saturday released the highlights of India-U.S. trade deals that exceed USD 14.9 billion in total value. The release said as part of the Obama Administration’s National Export Initiative, which aims to double the U.S exports in five years, the U.S President described India as a key market for the U.S.

The deals will largely benefit the big companies as well as the small and medium-sized enterprises in the U.S. Most of the U.S companies have finalised their deals with Indian Ministries and private companies, which in turn will support an estimated 53,670 U.S. jobs and result in USD 9.5 billion export business.'

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article874340.ece

Replied by Negro - [quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=559737.msg7382361#msg7382361 date=1292946821]The banks made profit by risking money and assets in investments that were prospected to yield astronomical gains. A lot of these Wall street investments translated to predatory lending tactics on Main street and many families were bitten bad for falling victim to their lending practices. For those families, their losses were attributed to bad judgement and failure to understand the risks involved, and none of them were ever compensated or bailed out.

A risk demands a sense of accountability. . . . . .choosing to step out into the dark night of a dangerous forest and taking ownership of the anticipated outcome, whatever it may turn out to be. . . .gain or loss.

For many years before their failures, these banks were notorious for engaging in accounting malpractices hidden under audit reviews. They will announce a profit margin before the end of their fiscal year to move money around for tax purposes but then turn around before the annual general meeting and amend the books to reduce payout on their profit sharing to shareholders.

. . . . . . by bailing them out Obama failed the country. He redistributed wealth to entities that ought to be left alone to fail. All that 'too big to fail" was a scare tactic. . . . left alone to die, I promise you they would invent their own rescue. In fact, I believe they had a contingency for that particular scenario.

On the Keynesian approach, you don't apply a viable theory to conditions that are practically counter-effective to the laws under which that theory is ideally suited to operate. The conditions on the ground were purely fraudulent practices - ethical questions - and not an out of balance economic dynamics. The dynamics were still in balance you just needed to root out the unethical violators.

If I may something else too, in America there are two elements above the President. . . one is overt and the other is covert. . . . and his success in office depends on how well he manages both.

The overt one is the Constitution of the United States of America. This document is the highest office of the sovereignty.

The covert one is the Central Bank. . . . it is the only entity in America with enough power to veto, in principle, the actions of the President. By bailing out the banks The President learnt the first lessons that his power is not absolute. . . .forget that he is referred as the most powerful person in the world.[/quote]Negro has done a fantabulous job on replying as I might have. Let me add some.
In general I didn't agree with the bail-outs - but I can see and appreciate why Obama went that route. A lot of all this is theory. Nobody knows how things are going to turn out until the policies are actually implemented.

 And as for the rest of it - whether Obama has taken "well-meaning steps" is a matter of your ideaological dispensation. Most of America I daresay is center-right. We don't want a Liberal utopia where political correctness has paralzyed common sense - there's plenty of that in Europe and the small minority who want that can go there. I want to close with a very pointed quote from Negro's last post

On the Keynesian approach, you don't apply a viable theory to conditions that are practically counter-effective to the laws under which that theory is ideally suited to operate.

You can take this line and practially apply it on many issues that have come across Obama's desk - and see the reason why many of his citizens are not happy with him.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=559737.msg7376952#msg7376952 date=1292877788]true, except that nothing in American society is free, end-to-end, from racial coloring.[/quote]. . . and you could say this for practically every country that is not located in sub-saharan Africa.

Are you aware that even Wal-Mart is color coded in its distribution network? Here in the South we have two Wal-Marts. . . the Blue and the Green. The Green is mostly found in minority neighborhoods and the Blue in mixed income to high end communities.

What people express is a reflection of the policies that are end-products of government and corporations alike and these two players control the society and the economy.

I do agree with you though that where other reasons and explanations exist then race outght not be the main theme of discussion.

There will always be class distribution/discrimination Negro - and sometimes it is not entirely bad. Are the blue/green colors merely code for their location? or the type of products sold? the demographic of their customers? I think there's more to the story - though I am not denying that there is class and inevitably race discimination by companies/corporations - and mostly it is done for profit sake, and not really as a result of bad-belle 'racism'.

Ey Toba no sick ehn. Who will keep us laughing in here if you're under the weather? I hope you're feeling/doing better dear.
Here's some chicken soup for you, eat and be merry
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Inesqor, I am forgiven now abi?

^so this is what you were doing when I called you this morning? no wonder you no fit talk 

Chris, I am coming. I still have to recover from the shock of actually receving an email from you. Gimme some time ehn.

doyin13:
I am so annoyed[b] I pulled the plug on my feed when the Giants scored that Boss touchdown[/b].

The shock I got when I saw the headlines on yahoo sports. . . . I thought I misread it walahi.

Woulda been magical watching it live. . .

Game reminds me of the Colts comeback against the Bucs when they scored three touchdowns
with four minutes remaining to tie the game and then win in overtime.

I swear I almost did the same thing . . . a still small voice spoke to me and said, leave it on, you never know . What a comeback - and anytime the giants are thrashed is always a good watch. I'm so happy for Vick. If the Pats end up in the SB vs him, I will not feel an iota of bad if he wins it all. What a great story. PETA lovers eat your hearts out suckers 

  As a side note, I wonder how McNabb feels watching from Washington at how much success Vick is having with Eagles team.

@Bawo,
     I cannot watch a Bears/bulls game without thoughts of you being evoked. I hope you're smiling wherever you are . . . and enjoying the schooling Brady dished on Cutler last week too.  miss ya dude.

mystikal:
I reckoned If Dallas will play zone, and they did, they had a chance of beating Miami. Dallas starters didn't play a lot against Phoenix 4 days ago. They were well rested. And of course their bench is 100 miles in front of Miami;s.

The jury is still out on Dallas. They can really dazzle atimes, and other times make you wonder how they got out of the JV league. Playoff time will tell.

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For SemiD and other silenters':

Current Standings as of Dec 21st 2010-

Moonstone:
Aunty Jesoul, e don do . May they not use Celtics as such a horrible example o! LOL!.

Sista no vex jare may it not be so oh.

New Orleans is having a hard time with the transfer of ownership even though they won't admit it. Individually, they are equally worried but at least, they beat Utah yesterday so maybe this is a sign of better things to come.

Do you think that's what the problem really is? I also think Chris Paul has one foot outside the door and is not really willing to invest time and effort in making this season a real success . . . waddaya think?

@Orlando trading half their team,
talk about balls testicular fortitude lol. I like the move A LOT. They finally realized their team could not win against the Celtics and co. and decided to bring down the axe. Rashad Lewis was too inconsistent, Vince Carter is only a name living on past dunking glory, Gortat? Gor-who? Pietrus I think was the only real thing they gave up.

And they get Agent Zero - I think Arenas will seek redemption in Orlando and contribute to the team. J-Rich and Turkoglu were fantastic pick-ups. Orlando deserves an A+++ for this monster trade. It will take time though for the new additions to mesh - maybe 10-20 games, and it may be too late for this season, but it is still a great move.

40-boy how bodi now?

semid4lyfe:
Hmm. . . I'm stickying this thread.

Meanwhile, you guys shouldn't just argue/debate. . . .you should include results of games played and log tables of the two conferences. There are lots of silent followers of this thread and the NBA on Nairaland.

Noted sir!

Lest, I forget. . .the three finalists for the Sports Section Poster Of The Year have emerged after the nomination stage and voting has commenced. The finalists are JeSoul, medjai [/b]and [b]A-40 and they've being put up in the poll.

Citations for the finalists have also been added with some of their most incisive posts on this board. Visit the link below to read the citations and vote

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-560057.96.html

VOTING CLOSES AT 11:59PM ON DECEMBER 31 2010

Cool . . . lemme go and see wassup . . . .

v3:
Jesoul, Obi, JK, Spikey y Vesc

You will here from my attorney if no review's done in 48hrs

phew . . . if I heard positively from your attorney, he would've heard from my accountant; negatively, and he woulda heard from my hitman 

JK - I have no comment for you at the moment.

Vesc thank you for clearing your throat

@Review:
The Expendables -
  The only selling point this movie has is its all-star action cast. The story is extremely weak, the plot is kindergarten, the action scenes are forgettable - but just seeing all those legends in one place    kinda made up for the weakness of everything else. I don't regret spening $10.25 to see it at the theatres. Critics will hate it, movie-goers will not.

This is the happiest low rating I will ever give a movie.
I rate 39.87654321% . . . . . . .  rounded up to 40% if you will 

^JW, pls meet me here too https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-505782.320.html#msg7374769

mukina2:
THanks dear, wish you and yours the same.
just send me cake sha . . preferably chocolate oh

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3092/images/3092_MEDIUM.jpg
hope you no mind, I took one slice to make sure the taste was good enough for you 

Image123:
Ehhh, merry christmas. I'm being invited for a christmas party myself. I for give you through pass if i was the organiser. Season's Greetings all the same

I've been looking for party by force lol. Thanks for the wishes Image, its highly appreciated a sensational Christmas to you.

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Jenwitemi:
Those were my posts that were deleted by you, jesoul. Thanks for doing that, btw. I definitely don't want to be part of this discuss for many reasons best not mentioned.

No problem oga. You started it in that direction but it was the last post (which you probably didn't see) that really led me to delete it all. No wahala, I no say you be cool dude. Merry Christmas sha

yeswecan:
I do not think the racist racist/ignorant remarks inevitably does Katsumoto any disservice. Much of Obama's aspersion has been from tea part movement which is mostly embroiled in pure colour- racism - i do not think anyone with brain-s will deny that.

Well, I firmly deny it. If that means I don't have "brains", then so be it. There is some racism, but it limited to fringe minorities that do not constitute for a second the majority of Obama's antagonists.

Where those who 'hated' Bush (which is a large portion of blacks btw) also racist? Clinton? Bush snr? Presidents get blasted by the opposing parties - the phenomenon did not start with Obama and it will not end with him.

I think one of the greatest handicaps we blacks suffer from is our constant predilection to play the racism card where none exists. It makes it that much harder to take seriously and treat with the appropriate amount of justified anger when actual racism occurs.

debosky:
Some of us would be in big trouble if you did have that liberty.

Lol. Naughty boy

True - but I do know a bunch of Russians who seem to love doing just that - strolling to the cafeteria next door in -10C wearing only a t-shirt. Dunno if they have vodka in their veins or blood.

Hmm. Me I fear that one. I know one's body can obviously adjust to the weather but consistently doing that must result in some kind of health issue.

MRbrownJAY:
the sad part unfortunately is that many dont have a clue about how deadly the cold of winter can be, in some part of the world.
even wearing good clothing, spending the night outside in sub zero winter could kill a fit adult.

Absolutely. Even with our full clothing and jackets during the cold, we're hurrying to get into the house/work - talkless of someone spending the night outside. I really feel for the homeless during the winter months - it cannot be a cakewalk at all.

Cap28 no problem jare. If someone told me I would be here defending you I go say na lie before  but you try sha. I don't agree with all your points but I think you're making some good ones that evoke some thinking and re-considering from me.

@concerned folks - like I said, the prisoners are in their own self-imposed prisons, and they are still holding the keys.

Gemma11:
The Royal Family are highly beneficial to the UK tourism industry. Millions from all over the world come to see castles, palaces, parks and other royal historical places which have been preserved for 1000 of years in their original state.

But many countries have plenty of historical sites that generate them a ton of cash too - without the 'royal family'. Ordinarily, I'd have no problem with royalty - what truly puts me off is how they are practically worshipped by their minions. But then again, wetin concern agbero with overload? to each his own. The only person that I call king na my husband.

Cap28, You make some sound points and I really don't have a view on them however you did mention something about the Royal's not having qualifications which is incorrect. To my knowledge all of them have been educated to degree level at some the of the best educatoinal establishments in the country. I think Prince Harry is even a trained pilot as is Prince Andrew.

This is true. I think Cap meant they don't "contribute" to the economy, merely take their own stipend.

^snr brotha, abeg meet me for here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-505782.320.html#msg7374769

Mukina, a very very Merry Christmas to you and yours. I hope that perfect gift will be waiting under your tree

Image123:
You go fear champion na, JeSoul how's the season?

The season dey oh my brotha. When is your christmas party now? I didn't get my invite yet oh!

Katsumoto:
GBAM

Tayo-D is a republican; nothing wrong with that. I myself have a conservative philosophy but I can never support the way the GOP practices its conservative philosophy. I admit that Obama has made some mistakes but I believe that his actions till today have been largely positive but his leadership is weakened by a campaign of calumny waged by rascist elements and also by an undiscerning and ignorant citizenry.

I think you weaken and cheapen your points - and considerably so - with the bolded. Every president is ferociously attacked by the opposing party - we didn't call it "racist elements" then, why start now? Because Obama is black?

And I also don't share in the popular sentiment that "Americans are ignorant" and "don't understand these complex policies" etc etc. This I think is an escapist tactic to dismiss the concerns of the populace as "irrational" or "ignorant". While it is true that issues get more tangled as you go deeper, there are general principles and concepts that still remain true. Such as "if you spend less, you tax less" "spend more, tax more" "cut govt' programs-tell the nation to tighten their belts, divert funds into decreasing the deficit" "buy what you can't afford, and you will go bankrupt" "give loans to those who can't repay, you won't get your money back" "do this on a large enough scale, and the bubble will burst/market will crash". As far as I'm concerned, a good amount of the fluff, 'economic' pomp and circumstance, is designed to simply leave us bedazzled and screw us out of more and more from our pockets.

Americans are not ignorant people - for the most part. They may not understand economic-speak, and capitol-hill jargon (note even some senators cannot understand some of the bills they pass without a lawyer explaining it), but for the most part, they know BS when they see it - both Conservs and Libs. Are there measurable chunks of the population whose expectations of govt. are unrealistic? of course. On both sides. And I also blame the politicians for selling them snake-oil and not discouraging them from their pipe-dreaming while they were campaigning and courting them for their vote.

But anyways, Katsumoto, you're making good points in your argument - just the racist/ignorant thing I think did you a major disservice.

Nice discussion folks. I have been content to simply read from the audience but some quotes ehn, hmmm . . .

[quote author=Ochi_Agha link=topic=559737.msg7368246#msg7368246 date=1292782864]Do not blame the Democrats for the housing market fiasco. The blames falls on the Republicans and the economic melt down.[/quote]hmm . . . have you heard of a certain democrat senator called Barney Frank? the oga on the Financial Services Committee?
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-514190.32.html#msg7040854

It would be much more accurate to say that a combination of policies from[b] both[/b] parties contributed to the economic problems America now has - and it would be even more accurate to say we Americans also contributed to it - not just the govt.

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MzDarkSkin:
I am a avid supporter of health. I believe it should be a given right to EVERY human being to be insured and given adequate health coverage/care so I am a bit disappointed with the way the health care system is in America

My sister, may I ask just one question:
-Who should pay for this healthcare for all? Should single man Mr. Smith, pay for Mr & Mrs Juan and their 6 kids?
-(okay 2 questions) and what about those who refuse to work, should they also retain these 'rights' to healthcare no matter what? Should illegals who don't pay taxes also get this healthcare?
Thanks.
-(sorry I lied, 3 questions) Have you seen the movie "Precious"?

debosky:

ehen now. Some of us don't have the liberty of going outside shirt-less

MRbrownJAY:
you reminded me of some brotha they came to Norway and was walking around in summer gear in the dead of winter(talking shiit) and DIED a while later of Pneumonia!

That one is a serious case of stupidity. Walking around in scanty clothes during the winter is NOT a sign of toughness as some loose-headed people seem to think.

Re: See Me See Snowwwwww Ooooo,i Must Be Mad !

Indeed you must be!

But . . . honestly, it is quite refreshing to go out into the brisk cold after being stuffed up in a toasty, stuffy house. On a rare occasion, I go out in shorts and tank-tops to start the car or get the mail or something - but never bare-footed though - now that is crazy!

^MMW, not necessary at all. I trust your judgement. Please delete as you see fit.

Toba, I have noted 

toba:
parry no, just small fun thats personal. When will u then show face here

Unfortunately I no know when my brother but have fun for me too sha.

I deleted the posts.

The poster asked a simple question and the usual troublemakers went off on a digusting tangent that is against forum rules. Do it again and expect a ban.