₦airaland Forum

riczy:
ur comment is replete with wisdom, and dt only come from above, u are indeed godly! Happy Sunday.

Same to you bro

Kobojunkie:
I tend to agree with this too. And we are after all talking here of the same people who set ablaze a 7-year-old for stealing garri not that many years ago!

That was barbaric! Such incidents shouldn't be happening in the 21st century Nigeria.

Puss360:
Sentiment.. Sentiment........
It's a crime to steal...
But honestly, if your problem amounts to thoughts of stealing, why no go out and beg...
People will mock you, but out of pity they will give you...
But with stealing, if you are caught, the shame will be much....
Poor man.. chai...
But e good as dem beat am sha

I believe nobody should be beaten over food theft in this economy, instead they should be made to do an amount of work commensurate to the cost of the food item either for the owner or for another person who will eventually pay for the stolen food item.

As long as it is food that is just enough to feed the thief or the family, there should be some leniency. If the person steals large quantity of food or other items with the intention of selling for money, he/she can then be treated like a criminal.

People are going through a lot and hunger bad

The whole relationship thing juss taya me mehn!

There's a whole lot of things to think about, not worrying my head about how to woo and also bear the problems of a girl in the name of relationship/marriage.

I'd rather use that time to make money and acquire knowledge.

ChybuzzDD:
How did know objectively they were poisoned?
Alcohol can't trigger of a cardiac arrhythmia, arrest and death?
Alcohol can't trigger off an acute gastric erosion, perforation, vomiting of blood(haematemesis), haemorrhagic shock and death?

You're very correct.

There's this incident of death that happens among alcoholics whereby a hepatic vein linking the oesophageal region busts due to excessive alcohol intoxication leading to hematemesis and death from anemia. People usually attribute such deaths to poisoning but it is just alcohol intoxication!

I know a man that died in that manner in my place recently.

Only those with medical knowledge understand what happens in such deaths. The layman would say he was poisoned.

This is not a coincidence!

RIP to the dead

joyandfaith:
Pharmacists in government hospitals don't provide drugs. Patients usually buy drugs from private pharmacy shops.

It is now clear that you don't know what you're talking about. And I even thought I was arguing with someone who knew what's up in healthcare.

For your information, every unit in the hospital hàs their pharmacies that provide drugs and counseling to patients. Patients are only referred to external pharmacies when their drugs are out of stock.

joyandfaith:
No patients would come to hospital if doctors and nurses are not there.

No patients will be treated if Pharmacists don't provide drugs!

joyandfaith:
Stop the blame. Johesu members behave like thugs during strike. They would disconnect electricity, locked offices. Nigerian physcians do not have any bad attitude . You guys are suffering from inferiority complex. Why are pharmacists not allowing physcians to become ceo of pharmaceutical companies or operate pharmacy shops? Remove rafters from your eyes before looking needle in the eyes of others. Hospitals belong to nurses and doctors. Other workers are just assistants. 80% of drugs being prescribed in public hospitals would be purchased in private pharmacies around. Nigerian pharmacists don't know to manage hospital effectively. Dey play!! PPP model dey come. LASUTH model. Laboratories and pharmacies would be outsourced or partly privatised. How many times have you heard made noises in lasuth and lagos hospitals.

Why am I even arguing with you when you have refused to learn. I have informed you the procedure a physician must follow if he wants to own a pharmacy. That is what is obtainable everywhere in the world and it is strongly backed by laws.

Doctors and nurses don't "own'' the hospitals!!! Let that sink into your head! There are LAWS governing Pharmacy practice in both private and public establishments and that is what obtains throughout the rest of the world. For that reason, you can never usurp or outsource hospital Pharmacy jobs. Drugs are central to whatever treatments a patient receives in a hospital and that is why you can never downplay the roles of the Pharmacists in hospitals. It is unfortunate that while the rest of the world are exploring ways of making patients benefit maximally from the services of hospital Pharmacists by improving trainings of Pharmacists through introduction of PharmD and consultancy in Pharmacy, ignorant Nigerian physicians like you are talking about "outsourcing" Pharmacy! How shameful! This is despite the fact that Nigeria is in dire need of holistic heathcare delivery due to our low life expectancy and poor health outcomes!

You can continue to live in fool's paradise by thinking you can do away with hospital Pharmacy practice. Any informed person will easily know how ignorant you are whenever you talk down on hospital Pharmacy. I know how many patients I saved from costly prescription errors made by physicians during my internship in a teaching hospital. Pharmacists even cover up your errors yet some of you ingrates will not appreciate that.

Finally, let me inform you to brace yourself with the fact that you'll soon start having consultant Pharmacists in our hospitals. Their jobs among others will be to detect drug therapy problems and prevent such problems by communicating the physicians through the patients folders. If you as a physician like you may choose to ignore such imputs by the consultant clinical Pharmacists, however such imputs will be used by patients to sue your assez in the event that they suffer losses (either loss of life,loss of funds or injuries) due to your negligence of such identified drug therapy problems. The earlier you prepare your minds to do the right thing the better for you.

joyandfaith:
Eko Hospital,lagoon hospital, first consultants etc are owned and managed by doctors. Killer hospitals are not being managed or run by doctors but by johesu disguising as doctors. Many labs are producing fake results.

Apollo is the largest hospital network in India. Synlab is the largest european lab.
Many biotech and pharm firms have physcians as ceo.
https://www.mdlinx.com/article/from-md-to-ceo-these-physicians-are-leading-the-biotech-industry/64iXA4D9DaBqTPKrub3HkZ

Check out those hospitals you mentioned, they're either owned by foreigners or physicians who trained and practiced abroad before coming home to establish those hospitals. They are mostly not NMA apologists and that is why many of them do the right thing by employing the right professionals and not allow local NMA doctors to usurp or claim ownership of hospital like they try to do in public hospitals. NMA is a cancer eating up our health institutions by their interference in the leadership of these hospitals while some illiterate politicians blindly allow them. Imagine NMA fighting professional growth of clinical Pharmacists! Where is it done in the international community Only Nigerian med doctors engage in such parochial fights due to their insecurities. Go and check how clinical Pharmacists work in the other parts of the world. The job description of the clinical Pharmacists is quite different from those of physicians yet the Nigerian physicians don't want to focus on improving their own practices but are busy fighting Pharmacists who want to improve their practices and be at par with their colleagues all over the world.

That attitude of the Nigerian physicians (through NMA, NARD etc) is the reason why no sensible government should appoint Nigerian physicians as leaders of health institutions ie if such leaders want to make positive impacts in the health sector. They have shown that they are incapable of building a robust health sector that can compete effectively in the international community and attract healthcare seekers from the rest of the world.

If such overbearing attitudes of the physicians in Nigeria is not stopped, our health sector will continue nosediving until a time would come when international organizations like WHO and the rest will cut all aids, delist Nigeria and declare us a health risk to the rest of the world.

Talking about physicians being CEO of pharma companies, I know it is possible for a physician who has the funds to be CEO of a pharma company but you must know that pharmaceutical manufacturing companies are established only with the license of a registered Pharmacist. Position of the CEO is mainly administrative and not technical. Besides, for such physician CEO to succeed and have the company break even, he must be open minded enough to accord due respect to the Pharmacists whose licenses cover the company.

joyandfaith:
There is need for teamwork in every sector. Which sector is better than health in Nigeria? How many private hospitals have you seen collapsed? Many businesses and companies are folding up in daily basis. Nigerian doctors manage those private hospitals. It is johesu wannabe want to be doctors.

Only a few hospitals (especially in Lagos) owned by non-physician investors measure up to standard. The rest are nothing but slaughter houses where ignorant Nigerians are killed on daily basis even after being made to pay through their noses. I have lost many dear ones to the malpractices of these physician-owned private hospitals! Many of such hospitals operate beyond their scope and would not employ the right professionals! I recently lost an in-law to the activities of such hospitals! The man was placed on wrong drugs while his condition deteriorated until he died. Many have sustained injuries and permanent disabilities due to the activities of such hospitals!

Nigerians need to imbibe the attitude of seeking redress in courts when they lose a loved one, sustain injuries or lose funds due to malpractices of the Nigerian doctors. Alot have been going on and getting covered up in our hospitals because Nigerians don't litigate when they suffer losses due to medical negligence and malpractices. Our legal system need to start working to protect the interests of health-seeking Nigerian populace!

I believe that many of these killer hospitals and medics would sit up when the legal system start working for the interest of patients.

President Tinubu should not make the mistake of appointing another medical doctor as the minister of health! It'll not augur well for the Nigerian dwindling healthcare system!

I know that Ali Pate has the international exposure to hold the office but the problem usually come from the overbearing influence of NMA and other physician-dominated pressure groups. We need someone who is not affiliated to NMA to handle the affairs of the ministry of health.

Successive ministers of health who were medical doctors with affiliation to NMA have shown that they don't a robust health sector that can compete effectively with the rest of the world. They do this by trying to suppress other healthcare professionals who are not physicians thereby preventing these professionals from effectively contributing their knowledge to ensure a better health outcome for the patient.

Such parochial attitude happens only here in Nigeria and that is one major factor that has continually dragged our healthcare system backwards. Any president or governor that wants to succeed in the health sector must learn to do things differently by appointing non-physicians with postgraduate training in a health-related field as ministers and commissioners of health. This should even be extended to headship of our healthcare institutions like hospitals.

We must imbibe international best practices if we want to improve the lots of our healthcare system. A word is enough for the wise!

joyandfaith:
In acting capacity twice or thrice. I don’t think any nurse has not been appointed as substantial surgeon-general . I believe nurse is the next to doctor in matter of hospital and public health. Nurses can demand for some recognition not some johesu wannabe.

The earlier you understand that healthcare is a team work, the better for you. And to think that some of you dream to practice in the developed world yet refuse to develop the attitude of working in harmony with the healthcare team. No wonder many of you would not be able to practice outside the shores of Nigeria.

All the while Nigerian medical doctors have been suppressing the system while claiming to know it all, what has been the fate of our healthcare system It has continually deteriorated with Nigeria ranking as one of the lowest in healthcare with consequent decline in life expectancy of Nigerians, yet your parochial mind cannot see the connection between the overbearing attitudes of our medics and the decline in the system.

joyandfaith:
When would pharmacists allow doctors and non-phatmacists to become CEO of pharmaceutical industries?
When would pharmacists allow doctors and non-phatmacists to open pharmacy store and sell drugs?

You can become CEO of a pharmaceutical company if you have the funds but you MUST have Pharmacists working for you.


As for your second question, let me also ask; when would surgeons allow Pharmacists carryout surgery in their pharmacies I know that would trigger you yet you don't see the reason why medical doctors should never open pharmacies without employing a Pharmacist. I know you'll ask the question ; is it not just "selling drugs"? You forget that much as drugs are remedies for diseases, they're also poisons that can cause deaths or injuries, and that only Pharmacists are trained to give and handle drugs.

Where else in the world do you have medical doctors and non-pharmacists dispensing drugs If not a corrupt and lawless country like Nigeria Even in our neighboring countries like Ghana, it doesn't happen! Yet, some of you fail to see that having drugs being sold indiscriminately just for profits is a major contributing factor to Nigeria's poor healthcare system and low life expectancy in Nigeria.

joyandfaith:
Who are paralegal professionals? Professional administrators cannnot head court. Professional administrator cannot head hospital. Do you know meaning of allied health professionals? Their job is to assist doctors. Doctors are the heads of medical team. Let pharmacists face their industries. 90% of nurses would continue to follow doctors instruction.
I would love it if johesu can establish their model hospital.

You continue hammering on Pharmacists should face their industries forgetting that drugs are central to whatever treatment patients receive in any hospital, and that as long as you continue treating patients with drugs, Pharmacists are the only ones permitted by law to dispense drugs to patients and to also monitor how patients are fairing on the drugs. Therefore the roles of Pharmacists in patients' care cannot be overemphasized... Check the roles of Pharmacists in developed countries like US and you 'll see that they have expanded to encompass patients care as much as getting the drugs molecules.

Talking about industries, anybody with funds can own a pharmaceutical industry provided you have Pharmacists working for them. Yes, we may have no doctors working in our pharm industries because there are no jobs requiring their services especially considering that we do little or no researches ( which is where the input of a clinical pharmacologist who is likely a med doctor might be needed). The fact that Pharmacists have multiple places they work does not imply that anybody can usurp their roles in the hospital because their roles are indispensable and protected by law.

I know that some of you medics have the tendency to envy Pharmacists for having such broad coverage of work, but don't forget that the law says that a Pharmacist's license can only hold one job at a time unlike the medics that can use theirs to work multiple jobs at a time. So, stop the envy and concentrate on your medicine.

joyandfaith:
Law and engineering also need collective efforts. There are different professionals in legal and engineering profession beside lawyers and engineers.

Different professionals don't practice law, only lawyer do. Engineering comes a bit close in describing the works of the different healthcare professionals. Take for instance, electrical engineers and mechanical engineers employed by the ministry of power for instance enjoy same salary package despite performing different engineering roles in the ministry. Leadership positions are also open to all of them equally, not one set of professionals.

Another illustration of how the health sector should work is when you consider members of the armed forces viz-a-viz the army, navy and airforce. These forces do the same job of protecting the territorial integrity of a country and also warding off external aggressors. Members of the three armed forces have their jobs and jurisdiction spelt out with no group interfering with the jobs of the other. They see themselves as fighting a common goal from different standpoints.

Given that diseases are like a battle faced by humans on earth, why can't the different healthcare professionals fight the battles from their different standpoints without one group usurping or having overbearing attitudes towards other groups.

I pray president Tinubu also toes the same path in his choice of minister of health. It'll be the game changer in our desire to build a robust healthcare system.

How I wish he'll be thoughtful enough to appoint a non-physician minister of health to revamp our comatose health sector through sound administration.

joyandfaith:
Lambo and nwosu who were not medical doctors destroyed it.
Rivalry is due to corruption in educational system. Some guys couldn't study medicine due to corruption. Reason for the hatred. Rivalry my foot..johesu would come beg doctors for treatment in secret and be hating the same doctors openly.

Nonsense! It is rather the mindset of people like you that has continued to worsen the rivalry! Who told you that all the other professionals were people who wanted to study medicine That is FALLACY!

You must think that you're arguing with some layman. I know many who chose other courses like Pharmacy (even after getting a strong 2:1in the biological sciences) through DE. They chose Pharmacy as first and second choice not because they cannot study medicine but because they have flair for Pharmacy.

joyandfaith:
As if engineers don't serve as ceo of engineering companies. As if chief justice of a court is not a trained lawyer by default. Nigeria in its present form wouldn’t have non-physcian as ceo. Ceo of some of the largest hospitals and laboratories in the world are medical doctors. Argue!! In the future more physcians who bag multiple degrees in hospital administration, law and accounting. He go shock you.

Unlike engineering and law, healthcare is a COLLECTIVE responsibility of different professional groups, not only physicians. Since rivalry continuously exist among these professionals, it'll amount to giving an unfair advantage over one group if we continue to appoint leaders solely from that group.

Consequently, healthcare output will continually remain poor! Developed countries understand that problem and that is why they choose leaders who are not one of the key healthcare professionals. That way, there will be a fair ground for the different professionals to thrive which will then translate to better services to the patients.

joyandfaith:
Were you even born then? Kuti achieved universal health coverage. No minister has achieved that before and after him. You can argue with your brain.

Where's the so called universal health coverage today On paper I guess! Most primary and secondary healthcare centers in Nigeria are not working today! So, where is the coverage?

Kuti was the architect of bad blood among different professional groups and physicians in our healthcare institutions. Such rivalry is the reason our healthcare system has remained abysmally poor with dwindling life expectancy of Nigerians!

Housing:
I hope he can mention how late Dr. Olikoye Ransome-Kuti caused the problem. Just maligning a well respected and as accomplish medical practitioner.

He championed Primary Health Care and ordinary on the street to understand it's purpose. I don't know which he was referring to. FreshstuffNG was the one who said Medical practitioners have unresolved rivalry crisis but quick to put blame of the crisis in the health sector on an individual.

Ranson Kuti skewed the salary scale in the health sector in favour of physicians and that act has contributed to bad blood between physicians and healthcare workers. We need unbiased ADMINISTRATORS to lead our health institutions, not someone with any affiliation to NMA before they finish off whatever is left of our health sector.

toprealman:
Imagine what could have been achieved if we used seasoned professionals to do the job. Will you subscribe to a chartered account serving as attorney general of the federation?

All the while we have been using medical doctors as health ministers and commissioners, what have they achieved Apart from conniving with NMA to fight other healthcare professionals thereby dragging the system backwards?

This application is noble and I think other governors and even the president should borrow a leaf from Adeleke.

Heathcare should be like the armed forces where the army, navy, airforce etc fight the same course of protecting the territorial integrity and warding off external aggressors from different standpoints, with no side claiming superiority or blatantly suppressing the others like the Nigerian doctors do when they are given leadership roles.

joyandfaith:
Surgeon-general of us public health services is by default a medical doctor. In canada and uk, there is office of chief medical officer of the federation. Nigeria needs such office so that minister of health can be opened to any politician regardless of his or her professional background.

Yes. If they can create the position of surgeon general, fine and good!


But you see positions like ministers and commissioners of health, they must be opened up to non-medical people with advanced trainings in healthcare field. Also, the position of Director of administration of our health institutions should be upgraded to oversee the entire institutions and should also be reserved for non-medical graduates with qualifications in a health-related field, while the position of CMD should be scrapped! We can have directors of medical services, pharmaceutical services, nursing etc from their respective professions all answerable to the hospital administrator.

joyandfaith:
What did he achieve as health minister? Beko kuti was still the best health minister. Universal health coverage is what you would use to measure performance in heath sector..

Nonsense! Beko Kuti was the worst!

tatatar:
So because America does it that makes it the standard everywhere?

Yes! That should be the standard. Heads of healthcare institutions and ministries shouldn't be people with parochial professional interests like Nigerian medical doctors. That would not give room for a holistic healthcare delivery.

Besides, what we're practicing in Nigeria is the American standard of healthcare delivery. We need to do that in whole!

Good one!

The state's health sector is poised for a positive turnaround with such appointment.

More governors should replicate that in other states. Such is needed at federal level too


Nigerian physicians through the interference of NMA have proven to be incompetent in leading our health sector!

Zico5:
Her kinsmen and women are saying she is apologizing under duress. We live in a strange world indeed. Defenders of fraud will never give in.

Honestly! It is really painful when people defend illegalities and yet same people would complain about our leaders and how bad the country is.

While it is good that we now have these private universities increasing access to university education in the country, we must also ensure that standards are met especially with the healthcare courses!

Going by the experience I had with supposed Pharmacists churned out by one state university in the southeast, I must say that alot of work needs to be done by NUC and PCN in ensuring that quality of Pharmacists being trained in these schools doesn't fall short of standards. It is embarrassing to say the least when a supposed professional does not know simple things relating to the profession. Simple pharm calcs they can't do yet they are bearing same tittle with me and placed on same salary scale.

I pray the various regulatory agencies up their games!!!

IconicR:
How would you feel if your woman gives you phone to greet her ex? I await your response

Of course, I'll feel disrespected and I'll not even speak with that ex. However, I'll direct my anger to my wife and warn her sternly to cut all ties with the ex.

IconicR:
I blamed both of them but blamed the man more for entertaining such rubbish, didn't you read his wife even gave him phone to greet her ex, like seriously? You are joking

The man should mandate the wife to cut ties with her ex ASAP. However, it is not the man's responsibility to confront the ex.

IconicR:
Carry this comment komot for my front, if how they parted ways is interfering in her marriage then she should go back and be with him, na like this Infidelity Dy start. You irritate me with this comment, and like I wrote earlier if I can pick another man's (toaster or whatever) in your presence then I'll never marry you because I don't want such weak genes in my future sons.

This is how you lots stir up toxicity and violence tendencies in men but would still complain when men become that which you push them to.

FYI, it is not the husband's business to stop the ex from calling the wife. Rather it is the responsibility of the wife to cut ties with her ex. See the way you carefully shifted the responsibility from the wife to the poor husband.