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Joagbaje:
Ki lo n so? So what is the conclusion of your bible reading, Is it that God killed your mother. Is cancer now your portion?.

I guess the meat of what she is saying is too hard for your milk teeth to chew i guess you should go back to cerelac which would be easier for you to digest.

The spirit of the mamon god of CEC plc is really hard at work it is that evil spirit which they idolize in the church cult that drives them to steal in the name of god pastor chris.

Joagbaje:
So what has this thread got to do with mabell . or are you making reference to another Mabell?

As Aletheia rightly said, the target audience won't understand the post! It't no suprise that you haven't seen the correlation between mabell, yourself and the post. Read the OP again and reflect on your shallow allegiance to the doctrines of CEC.

Joagbaje:
You need to start listening to him, you will know that he Will not encourage criminalities. One of the things he emphasised early this year is that the year will not favour a man with criminal tendencies. He said doors of prosperity will shut against people with such character. He said some people didnt know that some doors have been shut against them already by criminality. He even went as far as saying that if you have supplies to do in a contract, minimise the gain , dont inflate the amount beyond proportion. You should get to hear his teachings yourself than all these hearsays of yours. Pastor Christ is a balance teacher. And can never condone criminality. If he teach on prosperity , its only because its scriptural.Paul and Jesus taught on prosperity too. So will you blame Jesus for the criminality of judas? .

Bros i have listened to enough of Oyakhilome's teachings to know what he preaches, his teachings are always polluting our airwaves and hardly can you watch any of our local channels without coming across some of his offensive teachings. Even you yourself is a testimony to oyakhilome's heretics going by some of the blasphemy you have posted on this forum. It is a known fact that CEC members are under psycological pressure to sow seeds into the "ministry" at all cost as a way of receiving god's blessings. This is what drives a lot of it's memebers into criminality. And pleeeeeeaaaaassssseee stop refering to Oyakhilome as "pastor christ" that is a sacriledge and oyakhilome does not even preach or practise the gospel of Christ talkless of being recognized by christ.

noetic16:
did u change your mind? . . . . . .cos what u posted is a carbon-copy of my primordial definition.

If you say so, i live you to your convictions.

@Noetic
I never implied that fornication is not a sin, all i said is that the mainstream church definition of it is faulty and does not conform to the definition in the original greek and hebrew texts so stop trying to quote me out of context. Since you have deliberately insisted on presenting me in a negative light becos i pointed out holes in your submission i would post the greek translation of fornication as stated in Strong's bible concordance

(4202) pornei>a, — por-ni’-ah; from (4203) (porneu>w); harlotry
(including adultery and incest); figurative idolatry: — fornication.
(4203) porneu>w, — porn-yoo’-o; from (4204) (po>rnh); to act the
harlot, i.e. (literal) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or
(figurative) practise idolatry: — commit (fornication).
(4204) po>rnh, — por’-nay; feminine of (4205) (po>rnov); a strumpet;
figurative an idolater: — harlot, LovePeddler.
391
(4205) po>rnov, — por’-nos; from pe>rnhmi (to sell; akin to the base of
(4097) (pipra>skw)); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by
analogy) a debauchee (libertine): — fornicator, whoremonger.

I would leave you here to add or deduct from scriptures at your own discretion.

@Alethia
You just hit the nail on the head with that very apt scripture you posted it is only a corrupt tree [oyakhilome] that would bring out evil fruits [chinelo,miriam, mabell, foluke and several other CEC adherents]. By their fruits we surely shall know them.

PS: I wonder were they all are now, cat got their tongue or they are too ashamed of their pastor to comment. Normally the likes of mabell would have been ranting all over the place wrtting thrash to defend her god [oyakhilome]

noetic16:
why is kunleOshob refusing to state the true gospel of Fornication

The onus is on you, deepsight challenged you to define the term fornication from the original greek/ hebrew texts the bible was written in. You have since been dancing round in circles and even attempted to force your preconceived notions into it's definition. If you can't give an honest biblical definition[which i am quite certain you know] i don't see why i should continue in the debate with you. Besdes the above topic is not a favourite area of discussion of mine. au revoir!

mabell:
@aisha2
i don't understand. If you want to suffer, suffer now
i don't really get what your post is implying aisha

Maybe you can get pastor chris to explain it to you since the "meat" in the post is too hard for your tender milk teeth to chew.

The annoying thing is that most of the criminals are apologizing to pastor chris instead of blaming him. Are they not aware that it is the twisted get rich quick gospel that the con man has been preaching to them that pushes most of his church members to engage in illicit and criminal activities. [ i am even made to understand that most of the prostitues in Ikeja are attend CEC]. What is the church's business in setting up a micro finance bank in the first instance maybe Oyaks was planning to steal the money himself before his greedy apostles helped themselves to it probably based on the teachings he imparted to them. Personally i think oyakhilome should be held accountable for this fraud as he is in the business of breeding criminals.

Gunnaz007:
What if what you term as heresy (that emanates from cec) is just that message (meat not milk) which you are yet to grasp?

The more annoying thing is when the obvious fallacies in their heresies have been exposed they claim that what they are preaching is the "meat" of the gospel which is not easy for "baby" christians to chew. What a bunch of retards  

Enigma:
First a note on the "Rhapsody of Realities" thing. As can be expected, it is full of crap: take the one posted yesterday by mabell telling the reader how to increase their vocabulary when speaking in "tongues". Sheer nonsense! I did not post on the thread on which it was posted simply out of respect as the thread is meant to be devotional.

That thread cannot be classifed as a christian devotional by any standards, maybe you meant devotional to pastor chris heresies.

Christ embassy teachings heresies make me sick   i honestly felt like puking reading the excerpts quoted that that filthy thrash called ROR in the OP.

noetic16:
did kunleOshob run away with his tails?

I didn't run any where and i don't live on NL in case you haven't realized. Whilst i was not trying to pick an argument with you i was just trying to point you to some loop holes in your submissions. I would rather note discuss this topic on a public forum less i give some peeps the wrong impression or lea some baby christians astray. However i still maintain that you wee not very honest in your submissions and i am dead certain that you know you weren't.

Deep Sight:
Ogajim - confess once and for all. . . are you Kunle Oshodi?

Deep sight i am suprised that you of all people would accuse me of being Ogajim. That aside it is not only Ogajim that shares my ideologies on this forum, i believe ther are quite a number of us with similar ideologies. That aside i reside in Lagos were i believe you reside. Maybe we should hook up one of these days then you would know who the real kunleoshob is.

Pastor chris was not invite becos he is known as a charlatan and a fake miracle peddler, besides if he was invited i am sure he probably would have declined as he would have been exposed as a fake by his inability to perform miracles on someone who is obviously ill unlike all the stage managed ones we see on his TV show.

nuclearboy:
BTW, the guy I discussed with has not being to my place since that day. This is someone who was quite close to me for over a decade - that gives you an indication of how deep the delusion and bondage can be.

His pastor probably told him to stay away from you. He would have told him you are an agent of the devil and the devil wants to use you to rob him of his imaginary blessings.

noetic16:
1. did u not see this in the same post . . , . . .
I understand the greek word is porneia and it appears 26 times in the NT. however, the greek definition of the word encompasses my above definition of fornication.

So what are u driving at?. The greek word used was porneia and its definition in greek are cognisant with my primordial definition. .  . .so what question did I evade?

2. I have constructed NO argument so far. . . . I have only answered questions. Are u programmed to disagree with me or what?  

3. please dont tell me u are an ardent fornicator?. . . . .or rather do u subscribe to non-marital se.x? . .  . .why do u think that this act is not sinful?

The greek word porneia used is definitely not consistent with with your above definition as your definition as been strecthed to include some things not in the greek definition. I have not stated my opinion on this subject matter, i just want you show us clear biblical basis for your stand as i am quite aware that quite a lot of issues in christianity are not properly understood yet we make doctrines out of it even when they are inconsistent with certain facts in the bible. i.e would you say Abraham was a fornicator? Was moses an adulterer? Was Jacob an Adulterer? Why were there laws instructing how to treat wives equally in the old testamen if a man had more than one wife. Why did God allow his prophet Jacob to have two wives and three concubines. As christians we love love explaining complicated issues away that goes against our perceived doctrines, i would like to have some answers to this posers before i ask some more questions?

PS: I am not an advocate for polygamy, adultery or fornication but i suspect that church teachings on this topic are not bibically sound nor incontrovertible hence i rasie the posers, maybe our brethen here on this forum would be able to throw more light to the issue.

@Noetic
I am still expecting a proper bible concordance definition of fornication and not an english dictionary one which you posted earleir.

noetic16:
unfortunately, I am not a hebrew or greek linguist and would not trust google for translation and opinion  

Just as i thought you would evade the question! given previous interactions with you on NL i am sure you are aware that there are other relibale sources apart from google such as Bible concordances were you can get a good translation from the the original hebrew/ greek texts. I am quite certain you are aware of this and you have verified the true definition [which doesn't favour your argument] hence the hubris you wrote up there in trying to avoid the honest answer to the question. The list of se.xual sins in leviticus 18 you mentioned is also quite instructive as to what the bible actually considers as fornication.  

I sense deepsight is about to take noetic to the cleaners again!

@Deepsight
I doubt if noetic would be able to give an honest answer to your question.

Since "pastoring" is mostly limited to the church community it should not neccessarily be a full time job except the pastor wants to become meddlesome and involve himself in every little activity the flock are involving themselves with. Basically a pastors duties should be conducting a couple of services a week and being their for the counselling of the flock when the need arises. So there is no reason why he should not have another job to support himself and family. However pastors today form uneccessary activies like, prayer meetings, crusades, conventions, holy ghost night, night vigils to dominate the lives of the flock and to also create the impression that they are very busy. There is absolutely no valid reason why pastoring should be a full time job even though the bible doesn't say anything against it. I guess it is discretionary but it would be nice if every pastor should work to earn a living and also give like the apostles did than to depend on others giving to them. As the good book says, "it is more blessed to give than to receive"

@Tonye
Even though your mischief and ignorance has been thoroughly exposed on this forum you still continue arrogantly about it. Let me help you out, maybe you can tell us the relationship of tithes to the law in clear terms if it is not part of he law as Jesus clearly made a correlation between them in your favourite matthew 23:23 and also hebrews 7:5

toba:
I have a contrary opinion. Their are ethics in every profession. hes not under any obligation to do so. Can a personal Doctor reveal confidential matters of his client without the permission of his client?

Besides Oyedepo did not go there as his personal "doctor" or personal pastor, he went there as a representative of the Nigerian christian community and if he has any sense of responsibilty at all he would realize he is acountable to them.

simmy:
@ kunle oshob
i'm actually surprised at your words and immaturity. I'm neither for nor against Oyedepo. He should have realised that going to see Yar'adua will be politicised, however, after deciding to go n see the ailing president, i agree that he owes nobody an explanation. the situation of things is a lot more complex and fragile than it might seem on the surface

Whilst you are entitled to your silly opinion i am entitled to mine as well and the fact still remains that Oyedepo was invited there as a "christian leader" and not in his personal capacity as Mr Oyedepo. As a responsible leader he ought to know he is responsible to the christian community in Nigeria which he is supposed to represent and he certainly owes them an explaination. As i said earlier the charlatan is just a business man and he is obviously in it for the money NOT christ who he he pretends to serve, so he would obviously do the bidding of anyone ready to pay for his services. In thiscase the cabal in Aso rock.

Purist:
Actually, toneyb is quite right. I am a living testimony to that fact, though I'm not an atheist, yet. . lol (I still don't know how to define my belief system). I used to be very active on this Religion board (I've been on Nairaland since 2005), and fellows like shahan, syrup, m4malik, bari_kade, stimulus, tellyb, and a host of others used to be my "brethren in Christ" . If I tell you my former Nairaland ID - before I got banned (I'm not willing to tell, so don't ask ), you'll be shocked (you must have seen some of my old posts around here). I've been cool on this forum ever since though.

It is a shame you had to abandon christianity, whilst i agree with you that there is a lot wrong with how christianity is practised today and a lot of seeming inconsistencies in church doctrines, i believe the problem is man made. I am also a "seeker" and i earnestly search for the truth. I can confidently say i have found a lot of truths in the undiluted teachings of Jesus who i believe was sent of God with a message to mankind. True chrisitanity is being christ like and adhering to the teachings of christ and not neccessarily everything in the bible becos the old testament is essentially not christianity but the jewish religion which was the old way Jesus brought to an end. I urge you as a brethen to take another look at the chistian faith based strictly on the direct teachings of Jesus in the bible devoid of the teachings of others and church dogma. If you do this and meditate on it, you would begin to appreciate the deeper truths about the christian faith. As the good teacher said "narrow is the path that leads to life and very few would find it"

Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" >>> Quote from the Gospel of thomas.

Zodiac61:
I agree, there may have been some sort of non-disclosure agreement, however, any sensible person would have refused to accept it.

They are obviously not sensible people, after all they were probably settled

When some of us say that this charlatan is not only a fraud but a man who has very little understanding of the gospel and the role of a christian leader his ignorant accolytes would start ranting opata here. I am not suprised any way that he was amongst the "christian leaders" chosen to go and visit Yar'adua after all it is a P.R stunt and they were just looking for known preachers they could could use. In so doing they have to select preachers of low integrity and morals who would do the bidding of the cabal which is to create the impression that Yar'adua is recovering. Given that Oyedepo is moral bankrupt and of no integrity he fits pefectly into the bill.

As a "christian leader" he ought to realise that he was invited to visit Yar'adua as a representaive of the christian community in Nigeria and not in his personal capacity. So for him to turn round and tell those he is suppose to represent that he doesn't owe anybody any explaination or that his visit was "personal" betrays him as a very irresponsible individual that is willing to be used by the cabal as a tool [probably for a fee] in their propaganda campaign in their desperate attempts to hold on to power. I wonder how much P.R he was given during the "visit".

@InesQor
Ur last post was absolutely brilliant, very apt with unquestionable logic.

@babaearly
It is not in doubt that Jesus who is God in human flesh can heal HIV or any other ailment. But the fact still remains that it has been tested and proven several times that pastor chris is a fraud and till date despite all the numeous claims of healing emanating from his cult we are yet to see one single indepently verified credible witness to his so called miracles. For all I know kenya28 could be working for CEC [just like joagbaje] and his mission on nairaland be to continue to defend and propagate the cult of oyakhilome through false testimonies and doctrines.

Welcome back Deesight nice to know you haven't abandoned us. Just curious, what are you writing on?

@ Kenya
I would strongly advise you do an independent test with a reputable hospital, test results from CEC have time and again proven to be false. And pleeeaaaassse DON't stop taking your medication until it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that you are healed. Don't let them deceive you into not taking a confirmatory test in the excuse that you shd "exercise your faith". Of course their ready made excuse when their fake miracles are exposed is that the person didn't exercise enough faith.

@joagbaje
Welcome back I am glad you have now decided to seek the face of God, seek him diligently and it would be revealed that the racket going on in CEC is not of God and you not only need to flee the place but also join exposing them for the charlatans they are so they don't continue to lead souls to perdition. That apart you also as a person desperately needs to repent.