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thehomer:
Another chick tract? I told you I don't read such materials.

I still wonder what you think Obama's part is in all this. Obviously to you he is an Antichrist, but will he morph into the Antichrist or will he introduce the Antichrist or something else? Why don't you simply spell it out or are you afraid of being discovered to be wrong? Simply make your own predictions like others have done before you let's see how they hold up. At the very least, let your time intervals be 3 to 6 months so we can verify and keep up a commentary on your errors.

OLAADEGBU:
Are All Men Created Equal?

It is good to remind ourselves, from time to time, that the foundational charter of America, the Declaration of Independence, is a creationist document.  Our founding fathers separated from England by citing the Biblical truth that all men are created equal.  This status recognized inalienable human rights granted by the Creator and not by men or governments.  The world has benefited by the successful separation, as America has been a source of freedom and hope to many.  Most importantly, America has been a nation from which the Gospel has emanated.

ogoamaka99:
@manmustwac,
  you said that you was once a spermatozoa in your father's male organ but you failed to tell us where spermatozoa got its life from.The egg in your mother was alive and so was spermatozoa from your father.The two of them was alive that made them join to form you.But the question is ,where did they got the life in them.In other words we demand to know from you people the origin of life ?

Secondly, you said that your ancestors were called homo sapiens. We demand to know from you people where homo sapiens came from and how they got their life ?.

Thirdly we demand to know from you people for the multiplicities of languages on the planet earth since according to you your ancestors are homo sapiens which came from one source.?

nuclearboy:
Couldn't find the exact link though I searched hours. This link carries an idea of that one http://www.imninalu.net/Hyksos.htm

Further Speculations! 

History

http://www.jewishhistory.org/hyksos-or-hebrews/

then

", the price of twenty shekels of silver paid for Joseph in Genesis 37:28 is the correct average price for a slave in about the 18th century B.C.   Earlier than this, slaves were cheaper (average ten to fifteen shekels), and later they became steadily dearer. This is one more little detail true to its period in cultural history."

-- Ancient Orient and Old Testament, by K.A. Kitchen


"In the last verses of Genesis it is told how Joseph adjured his relatives to take his bones back to Canaan whenever God should restore them to their original home, and in Joshua 24:32 it is told how his body was indeed brought to Palestine and buried in Shechem. For centuries there was a tomb at Shechem reverenced as the Tomb of Joseph (see photo to left). A few years ago the tomb was opened. It was found to contain a body mummified according to the Egyptian custom, and in the tomb, among other things, was a sword of the kind worn by Egyptian officials."

-- Prophets, Idols and Diggers
    book by John Elder


"It is the location of of Ra'amses and Succoth that is established beyond reasonable doubt. Though earlier sought in the eastern delta at the site of Zoan/Tanis (San el-Hagar), Ra'amses must be placed at Qantir (Tell ed-Dab'a), some 17 miles to the southwest (see map above). Furthermore, it seems conclusive that that was also the site of the Hyksos capital, known in the period as Avaris. Excavators have discovered archaeological remains at Tell ed-Dab'a indicating that it was a large habitational site in the Hyksos era and into parts of the New Kingdom period. The artifacts dug up at the site (pottery, utensils, burial wares, etc.) do not conform to Egyptian typology, but rather to what is found in contemporary layers in Palestine. In The Ancient Near East: A History, the authors comment, "Archaeologically, it is as if the site were actually in Palestine."  Just north of the tell a tile factory was found where glazed blue tiles were manufactured for use in the palatial estates of the pharaohs. And in the environs of this installation were found certain ostraca that actually bear the name of Ra'amses. This was the locale in which the Israelites lived and from which the Israelites began their journey.

In a word, it appears that the biblical, historical, and archaeological data are best served by theorizing that it was a Hyksos monarch before whom Joseph stood as an interpreter of dreams (Gen. 41:14-37) and who later ceded a choice parcel of land (Goshen) to Joseph's family (Gen. 47:6). According to such a theory, the "new king" of Exodus 1:8 would have been one of the native Egyptian monarchs of the New Kingdom who, as part of his Hyksos purge, resolutely refused to recognize the validity of the Goshen land grant. Discerning in the Israelites a multitude who might very well join with his Asiatic enemies in war, this new king moreover acted quickly to enslave the Israelites.

The above-mentioned theory also fits well with the historical profile attested in the book of Genesis. The patriarchs moved in and through Palestine for some 215 years (cf. Gen. 12:4; 21:5; 25:26; 47:9), seemingly with the greatest of ease, mobility and freedom. Yet, it is inconceivable that their movements should have gone unnoticed (e.g., Gen. 14:14). That bespeaks a political climate in Palestine that would have been free from any sort of national or international domination, which is truly characteristic of that period between 1850 and 1550 B.C. The theory might also humanly explain how Joseph, a non-Egyptian, was able to rise to a position of Grand Vizier in a foreign land -- the court itself would not have been Egyptian, but Hyksos. It also might explain why there is no historical mention of Joseph.

http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/joseph.htm

Was there a Hyksos invasion?

Manetho's account, as recorded by Josephus, of the appearance of the Hyksos in Egypt describes it as an armed invasion by a horde of foreign barbarians who met little resistance and who subdued the country by military force. He records that the Hyksos burnt their cities, destroyed temples and led women and children into slavery.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos

nuclearboy:
The title of this thread - "Re: Disbelief In Yahweh As The Creator God".  Yahweh is the "God" of the Hebrews, not so?

I'd like views on the following statement then - "All of Jewish history is played against the backdrop of world history, but all of world history is intertwined with the Jewish people." Why the Jews? Why not say the Egyptians who were a world power? Why not Medo-Persia that followed? Why not Greece?

Why not Rome? Each of these 4 empires was little known until it came into prominence as a world power and after that, zilch!

Why a tiny collection of tribes which seem to have usurped and upset every single period in history, including the present?

Always, everywhere these people have been at the center of most any issues on the world stage! What then does that suggest about them and their "God"?

And why does every single religious belief of standing have "much" in common with the primary belief of Christianity?

Much as stated, of course, is subject to interpretation. But even Ifa of yoruba land has "ELA" the deliverer, who came to earth through a virgin and would lead all that followed Him to heavenly bliss.

A lot (too many) of coincidences makes doubt a proposition somewhat "deliberate", in my opinion. And the evidence, as it were, demands an unbiased verdict!

noetic16:
^^^ Go and ask Adam

ogoamaka99:
(3) THE TOWER OF BABEL:It was not possible for them to build a tower that reached heaven. However, where you got the story from did not say that they built the tower that reached heaven rather the place said that they had building the tower to reach heaven in their mind( imagination).That you have the imagination of flying to heaven to sack GOD from HIS
throne does not mean that you have done it.

Jenwitemi:
You disagree with him?

ogoamaka99:
@manmustwack,
        I have seen the answers you gave to my questions, now see my answers to your questions:
   (1) How Noah managed to get two (2) species of animals into the ark was the same way[b] Adam managed to conduct naming ceremonies for all the animals/birds/fishes etc on the planet earth[/b].If it was easy for Adam to conduct naming alone then it must be much easier for eight people (Noah, his wife, the three sons of Noah and their wives ) to collect two species of animals into the ark.
   As for whether dinosaurs was brought into the ark, you should take a trip and go and ask Noah or his family members.

Obalende:
Religion is the greatest evil of the 21st century.

nuclearboy:
Horatio mazaje

The point is that they happened and Moses knew about them "in advance". My posts show I do not subscribe to the Bible thumping brigade's ideas of the world being 6, 000 years old or much stuff like that so please discuss with me and not with them "through me". [1] The plagues happened. [2] these preceded Israel leaving Egypt. Once these two are stated, it is puerile to say the Biblical exodus was non-historical thus proving the "scholars" and "archaelogists" you quoted deliberately twisted fact to push forward their own agenda. OR they are ignorant of scientific findings and thus purely opinionated and not worthy of the term "science".

Though highly subject to criticism, there was recently a documentary made by "James Cameron" and titled "Exodus decoded" which pushes forward another theory for the crossing of the red sea which whist "subject to a lot of debate", provides a theory for the crossing. He asserts that the Israelites crossed the "reed sea" and that a mistake in translation had that as "RED SEA". The reed sea is only inches deep in some portions and tide out brings that water depth to practically nothing. The Biblical narrative has Moses expelled from Egypt earlier in his life and having to wander on his own for a long time till he got to Midian. The idea is that Moses likely found out about the "tidal patterns" of the reed sea whist banished. At the time of the exodus, he led Israel to the low spots, waited til tide was out and they walked across what would have seemed to them (not knowing anything about the reed sea tidal patterns) as a miracle i.e. it was Moses who parted the sea.

Egypt in pursuit suddenly found Israel almost on the other side and followed - but with chariots laden with heavily armored men. These were bogged down and then the tides came back in.

I would expect a sincere human to understand that God will rarely take out of nature. With such a story as the ten plagues and crossing, is it impossible knowing they took place, that God used the forces of nature (which He created anyway) to achieve the plagues and crossing? Why was it at the exact time Moses was entreating Pharaoh and threatening him that the "burgundy blood" algae decided to show up? Was the global warming caused by a higher pepper level in food leading to particularly flatulent farting across the continents of the world? Did the ancients know about algae that color water. Or that such would force frogs out of their habitat? Or that the death of such would create a population explosion in gnats, lice and insects which would afflict cattle and flocks, killing them etc etc? Yet Moses knew about them in the exact order they came about - that is the miracle here; that and science claiming it was natural and keeping quiet about how a shepherd knew about it!

The ancient Jewish historian Flavius Josephus suggested in his work Contra Apion that the Hyksos were, in fact, the ancient Hebrews. It is incontestable that Hyksos lived under Egyptian rule in Egypt. Other names that have been used for Hebrews in history include Hiberu and Apiru, described in Wikipedia as " names given by various Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Hittite, Mitanni, and Ugaritic sources (dated, roughly, from before 2000 BC to around 1200 BC) to a group of people living as nomadic invaders in areas of the Fertile Crescent from Northeastern Mesopotamia and Iran to the borders of Egypt in Canaan." They are "variously described as nomadic or semi-nomadic, rebels, outlaws, raiders, mercenaries, and bowmen, servants, slaves, migrant laborers, etc."

Biblical plagues happened in reality, say scientists


Scientists have claimed that the Biblical plagues that devastated Ancient Egypt in the Old Testament really happened and were the result of global warming and a volcanic eruption.

According to a report in The Telegraph, researchers believe they have found evidence of real natural disasters on which the ten plagues of Egypt, which led to Moses freeing the Israelites from slavery in the Book of Exodus in the Bible, were based.

Archaeologists now widely believe the plagues occurred at an ancient city of Pi-Rameses on the Nile Delta, which was the capital of Egypt during the reign of Pharaoh Rameses the Second, who ruled between 1279BC and 1213BC.


The city appears to have been abandoned around 3,000 years ago and scientists claim the plagues could offer an explanation.

Climatologists studying the ancient climate at the time have discovered a dramatic shift in the climate in the area occurred towards the end of Rameses the Second's reign.

They found that Rameses reign coincided with a warm, wet climate, but then the climate switched to a dry period.

The scientists believe this switch in the climate was the trigger for the first of the plagues.

The rising temperatures could have caused the river Nile to dry up.

This marks the arrival of the first plague, which in the Bible is described as the Nile turning to blood.

According to Dr Stephan Pflugmacher, a biologist at the Leibniz Institute for Water Ecology and Inland Fisheries in Berlin, this description could have been the result of a toxic fresh water algae.

He said that the bacterium, known as Burgundy Blood algae, is known to have existed 3,000 years ago and still causes similar effects today.

"It multiplies massively in slow-moving warm waters with high levels of nutrition. And as it dies, it stains the water red," he said.

The scientists also claim that the arrival of this algae set in motion the events that led to the second, third and forth plagues - frogs, lice and flies.

The arrival of the toxic algae would have triggered such a transformation and forced the frogs to leave the water where they lived.

But as the frogs died, it would have meant that mosquitoes, flies and other insects would have flourished without the predators to keep their numbers under control.

This, according to the scientists, could have led in turn to the fifth and sixth plagues - diseased livestock and boils.

The explosion of the volcano Thera, which was part of the Mediterranean islands of Santorini, just north of Crete, around 3,500 years ago, is now also thought to be responsible for triggering the seventh, eighth and ninth plagues that bring hail, locusts and darkness to Egypt.

The cause of the final plague, the death of the first borns of Egypt, has been suggested as being caused by a fungus that may have poisoned the grain supplies, of which male first born would have had first pickings and so been first to fall victim. (ANI)

http://sify.com/news/biblical-plagues-happened-in-reality-say-scientists-news-international-kd4nOcfdded.html

nuclearboy:
Science is "pick and choose" what tosses your salad  It effectively, allows you, like religion  , decide your own truth as you ignore what you wish and accept what you don't want.

Very recently, I was opportune to be watching tv when National Geographic aired a program titled "The ten plagues of the Bible - the first curses". Effectively, Science has "discovered" that these ten plagues really did happen in the exact order they appear in the Bible.

However, there is another explanation given to it - The "bloodying" of the Nile was due to Climatic change (probably due to global warming from all the horses of egpyt farting non-stop  ) which caused unusual growth of a particular algae which supposedly turns water to as blood. This "bloodying" forced the frogs in the water to come out (the second plague). Their subsequent death in unfamiliar conditions led to the invasion of flies and insects since the frogs (their natural predators) had ALL died. This brought about the next plague etc etc etc (you get the point).

I also have links I'm searching for that proved the Red Sea was crossed by the Israelites and that the same sea bogged down and destroyed Pharaoh's Army. So basically science itself throws out Mazaje's argument above that these events were not historical even if science tries to downplay the issue by providing "natural" reasons for what can suddenly no longer be denied.

Archaeology

A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found nothing which can be directly related to the Exodus narrative of an Egyptian captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[8] and it has become increasingly clear that Iron Age Israel - the kingdoms of Judah and Israel - has its origins in Canaan, not Egypt:[19] the culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult-objects are those of the Canaanite god El, the pottery remains in the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet used is early Canaanite. Almost the sole marker distinguishing the "Israelite" villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones, although whether this can be taken as an ethnic marker or is due to other factors remains a matter of dispute.[20] While some archaeologists leave open the possibility of a Semitic tribe coming from Egyptian servitude among the early hilltop settlers and that Moses or a Moses-like figure may have existed in Transjordan ca 1250-1200, they dismiss the possibility that the Exodus could have happened as described in the bible.[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

In the first half of the 20th century the Exodus was dated on the basis of 1 Kings 6:1, which states that the Exodus occurred 480 years before the construction of Solomon's Temple. Equating the biblical chronology with dates in history is notoriously difficult, but Edwin Thiele's widely accepted reconciliation of the reigns of the Israelite and Judahite kings would imply an Exodus around 1450 BC, during the reign of Pharaoh Thutmose III (1479-1425 BC).[30]  By the mid-20th century it had become apparent that the archaeological record made this date impossible. The mummy of Thutmoses III had already been discovered in 1881,[31]  and Egyptian records of that period do not mention the expulsion of any group that could be identified with over 2 million Hebrew slaves, nor any events which could be identified with the Biblical plagues. In addition, digs in the 1930s had failed to find traces of the simultaneous destruction of Canaanite cities c.1400 BC - in fact many of them, including Jericho, the first Canaanite city to fall to the Israelites according to the Book of Joshua, were uninhabited at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

vescucci:
@Mazaje. Lol, calm down na. Since you don't believe in God, I could say it was a ridiculous claim cuz not everything you don't see doesn't exist. Mathematically, even, it is impossible to prove something doesn't exist. It is possible to prove something exists. And according to you, it would be as ridiculous to believe in one God as it is to believe in numerous Gods, no? So why get antsy. In any case, even if there were many beings that transcend our mental grasp, they surely cannot agree to create this world together and the one responsible for nurturing our universe is the one I refer to as God. And if they all agree and form some kinda council to create our universe, then this collection is what I refer to as God. It is immaterial. Do you understand me, awesome mazaje?

vescucci:
Lol, atheists are the coolest people on earth.

There are so many of you guys, you should start a proper religion and ditch the satanism thing, lol

Mazaje is awesome

vescucci:
Screw the topic. It's banal anyways.

There can be only one God. We have to call Him something and we don't all have to agree what we call Him either. We may say He asks us to do things He didn't but that's irrelevant to His being.

With the exception of those conservative scholars who insist on Mosaic authorship of the Torah, scholars agree that the Exodus account is a composite literary construct, composed and edited from smaller units transmitted over centuries to achieve theological and historical coherence. Recent research has identified more and more of the Exodus material as coming from the Israelite monarchy and the Exile, times long after the 2nd millennium epoch in which the narrative is set, and the original base of the story becomes corrspondingly more and more difficult to identify. While the overall intent of the narrative is historical, it is not history in the modern sense, but as a theology set against a historical background, illustrating how the God of Israel acted to save and strengthen his chosen people, the Children of Israel, and that it is therefore inappropriate to approach miraculous events such as the burning bush and the plagues of Egypt as if they were modern history.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

Recently, the archeologists Israel Finkelstein (Tel Aviv University) and Neil Asher Silberman (director of historical interpretation, Ename Center for Public Archeology and Heritage Presentation, Belgium) summarized the archeological findings and latest corrections regarding the historical origins of the Jewish nation. In their words, "The process that we describe here is, in fact, the opposite of what we have in the Bible: the emergence of early Israel was an outcome of the collapse of the Canaanite culture, not its cause. And most of the Israelites did not come from outside Canaan - they emerged from within it. There was no mass exodus from Egypt. There was no violent conquest of Canaan".

Finkelstein and Silberman point out that there is still no evidence for the existence of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Lot, Moses, and Joshua. There is no evidence that Jewish people existed as an identified people that were enslaved in Egypt. There is no evidence that over 600,000 men (plus women and children - the number could have been over a million) had an exodus from Egypt and wandered in the desert for 40 years. According to the Bible, 38 of these 40 years were actually spent encamped at Kadesh-barnea. This area has been turned upside down for decades, looking for even a tiny piece of pottery from this supposed time. It is not likely that this many people would have lived here this long and not left archeological evidence.

The archeological evidence contradicts the Biblical theme of Joshua taking control of the Israelites from Moses and conquering Canaan. For example, the Egyptians had a strong presence in Canaan at this time, yet the Biblical accounts make no mention of this. The Biblical themes of the origins of Israel are myths. Like the gospel accounts of the New Testament, they were fabricated in later times and inserted into earlier times as a tool of religious and political propagandists,

http://www.concentric.net/~Worgar/exodus.htm

Akwasi:
This is a personal ambition. I have had the urge since I became a Christian. Before I became a Christian, I was thinking at least 70% of the world's population were Christians. I realized that was very untrue and that was mostly because of Asia.

More than 60% of the world's population lives in the two Asian countries of China and India. Of those numbers, fewer than 5% are Christians and that really leaves us Christians with a task.

I am looking for reasonable and matured Christians to come up with a five year plan, implementable in 2015, on how to win Asia for Christ. This is no joke. We might end up taking the ministry together.

I know there may be risk with trying to "Christianize" some people in Asia, but that is what Jesus asked us to do. We just do not have an excuse to leave these people in the dark. Remember some people did it for Africa about 500 years ago when the continent was really "dark".

May God bless you in Jesus's name

nopuqeater:
shame on you Mazaje, now that the Hamas have said that it was not in their tradition as muslims to marry off children. I guess your stint in Finland has not benefitted you, yet. you would have been better, money and efforts not wasted to and in Finland if you had remained in the village in Nigeria.

i could exceuse the yahoo yahoo guys who are with you because often they lose internet connections or unable to get to the cyber joint, and therefore lacking full spectra of information, when they do use the internet. the easy white girls in finland are a a dozen half euro, havent you found a bedmate yet from among them to foot the information highway source for your sorry self?

nsd never in your life refer to me as your friend because i know who my frineds are, and you are not one of tem for reason of your dishonesty.

nopuqeater:
How do I know that Aisha was not 6 when she was married to Muhammad (AS)? All I have to do is to first look at the household of her father and the major event that occured in there. That will determine when Aisha was born, if she was alive or not when any of them occcured.

GudFolk:
Worldwide Social Depravity riding on the success of the Homafia methodology of equality for all human deviations from the norm:

German's insidiously encouraging INCEST. Where does the madness end?
"Fathers do not devote enough attention to the focal place and womanliness of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex," reads the booklet regarding 1-3 year olds".

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3598

In closing, those already engaged in one sexual deviation are unable to CONDEMN another. That is why the religious must BLOCK them all from seeing the light of day, or the madness will never end but continue growing more horrendous with each passing generation.

nopuqeater:
@Mazaje: « #39 on: Today at 11:52:04 AM » Oh message, I di not criticize christianity, except that I pointed out that whoever the puppet master of Wafa is most likely a christian or a supporter of such a system. Or is it the atheist that is sponsoring Wafa? I love the christians as much as much as i love atheists. It is their systems that I hate. One has more Gods than 1 and the other does not belief in existence of God.

If my position is comical to you, you have no sense of reality. How is my position of simply reminding the readers that wafa is a loser and she benefitted immensely from Islam is now a thing for laughter? Maybe she is bitter because she has no man or she desperately wants a white man. A lot of arab people look up to white skin, you know. They lack morals, just like you do in your atheism.

Whats mythical about a reality? Did Muhammad (AS) lived? Yes. Did he have a revelation? Yes it is the Quran. You should read it. Unlike the claims of the christians that the christians that the 'ghost' is the another comfoter, without any written material, which is a way to indicate he was not, Muhammad, fulfilled every aspect of the qualities of the "Another comforter". You should read. Get away from the blond finnish women sometimes. I hope you are married to a good looking woman from them, unlike our brothers who married aunt Jemima, or Michellin tires from them?

And the anti religion bigot like you sees white and denies it exists, never a color, and there is nothing call color. Do you use your brain, atheist? Go stand at the and face the wall.