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Marks112:
Hi everyone, my mom is a celestial woman so she believes in all these things.
She asked 4 pastors, 1 said she’s okay, others said no.

But the thing is I am exhausted, I can’t start all over again and I love her and she loves me very much. She’s not your average Nigerian girl that loves money.

I have just been thinking a lot cos I don’t even know what could happen in future that will make the pastors say no.

And the main thing here now is now that my mom has asked these people she will never support this marriage, how do I convince her?

And I can’t break up with my gf she has been with me through a lot .. I just tire.
Been praying to God that if she’s not for me she should be the one to break up or f*ck up
I don’t want to hurt her.

Interesting how they can see the one that you should not marry but cannot see the one you should marry.
The only thing you need to worry about is making your family including your mom like her.
Most African moms just want to see a caring and clean wife who is not a feminist.lol

chatinent:
We as Jehovah’s Witnesses adhere to the form of Christianity that Jesus taught and that his apostles practiced. This article summarizes our basic beliefs.
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1. God. We worship the one true and Almighty God, the Creator 'who has a name', and whose name is Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18; Revelation 4:​ 11) He is the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.​—Exodus 3:6; 32:11; John 20:17.
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2. Bible. We recognize the Bible as God’s inspired message to humans. (John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:​16) We base our beliefs on all 66 of its books, which include both the “Old Testament” and the “New Testament.” Professor Jason D. BeDuhn aptly described it when he wrote that Jehovah’s Witnesses built “their system of belief and practice from the raw material of the Bible without predetermining what was to be found there.” * While we accept the entire Bible, we are not fundamentalists. We recognize that parts of the Bible are written in figurative or symbolic language and are not to be understood literally.​ —Revelation 1:1.
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3. Jesus. We follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and honor him as our Savior and as the Son of God. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 5:​31) Thus, we are Christians. (Acts 11:26) However, we have learned from the Bible that Jesus is not Almighty God and that there is no Scriptural basis for the Trinity doctrine.​—John 14:28.
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4. The Kingdom of God. This is a real government in heaven, not a condition in the hearts of Christians. It will replace human governments and accomplish God’s purpose for the earth. (Daniel 2:​44; Matthew 6:​9, 10) It will take these actions soon, for Bible prophecy indicates that we are living in “ the last days.”​—2 Timothy 3:​1-5; Matthew 24:​3-​14. Jesus is the King of God’s Kingdom in heaven. [color=maroon]He began ruling in 1914.[/color]​—Revelation 11:15.
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5. Salvation. Deliverance from sin and death is possible through the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. (Matthew 20:28; Acts 4:​12) To benefit from that sacrifice, people must not only exercise faith in Jesus but also change their course of life and get baptized. (Matthew 28:19, 20; John 3:​16; Acts 3:​19, 20) A person’s works prove that his faith is alive. (James 2:​24, 26) However, salvation cannot be earned​—it comes through “the undeserved kindness of God.”​—Galatians 2:​16, 21.
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6. Heaven. Jehovah God, Jesus Christ, and the faithful angels reside in the spirit realm. * (Psalm 103:19-​21; Acts 7:​55) A relatively small number of people​—144,000​—will be resurrected to life in heaven to rule with Jesus in the Kingdom.​—Daniel 7:​27; 2 Timothy 2:​12; Revelation 5:​9, 10; 14:​1, 3.
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7. Earth. God created the earth to be mankind’s eternal home. (Psalm 104:5; 115:16; Ecclesiastes 1:4) God will bless obedient people with perfect health and everlasting life in an earthly paradise. Of course, it was his original purpose while creating man.​—Psalm 37:11, 34.
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8. Evil and suffering. These began when one of God’s angels rebelled. (John 8:​44) This angel, who after his rebellion was called “Satan” and “Devil,” persuaded the first human couple to join him, and the consequences have been disastrous for their descendants. ( Genesis 3:​1-6; Romans 5:​12) In order to settle the moral issues raised by Satan, God has 'allowed' evil and suffering, but He will not permit them to continue forever.
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9. Death. People who die pass out of existence. (Psalm 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:​5, 10) They do not suffer in a fiery hell of torment. God will bring billions back from death by means of a resurrection. (Acts 24:15) However, those who refuse to learn God’s ways after being raised to life will be destroyed forever with no hope of a resurrection.​— Revelation 20:14, 15.
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10. Family. We adhere to God’s original standard of marriage as the union of one man and one woman, with sexual immorality being the only valid basis for divorce. (Matthew 19:​4-9) We are convinced that the wisdom found in the Bible helps families to succeed.​—Ephesians 5:22–​6:1.
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11. Our worship. We do not venerate the cross or any other images. (Deuteronomy 4:​15-​19; 1 John 5:​21) Key aspects of our worship include the following: Praying to God.​—Philippians 4:6. Reading and studying the Bible.​—Psalm 1:​1-3. Meditating on what we learn from the Bible.​—Psalm 77:12. Meeting together to pray, study the Bible, sing, express our faith, and encourage fellow Witnesses and others.​— Colossians 3:​16; Hebrews 10:23-​25. Preaching the “good news of the Kingdom.”​—Matthew 24:14. Helping those in need.​—James 2:​14-​17. Constructing and maintaining Kingdom Halls and other facilities used to further our worldwide Bible educational work.​— Psalm 127:1. Sharing in disaster relief.​—Acts 11:27-​30.
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12. Our organization. We are organized into congregations, each of which is overseen by a body of elders. However, the elders do not form a clergy class, and they are unsalaried. (Matthew 10:8; 23: We do not practice tithing, and no collections are ever taken at our meetings. (2 Corinthians 9:7) All our activities are supported by anonymous donations. The Governing Body, a small group of mature Christians who serve at our world headquarters, provides direction for Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide.​— Matthew 24:45.
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I couldn't help but notice there was no mention of the Holyspirit who is the gift from God to all believers. Acts 2:38-39
The teacher of all Christian's and through whom there is power to heal and bear the gifts and fruit of the Spirit. John 14:26
I have often heard that JW do not recognise the Holyspirit that you only see him as a force. How true is that?

Kraspo:
God!! God!!
These traders haven't gotten over the sting of the lockdown and now this.

We are really in hard times.
May God open doors for them. Amen

Lagos state govt is about to acquire the market.
We know the MO.

Righteousness89:
Prophecy From Where?

I don't understand some persons? these Endtime Pastor's that don't know what it means to be a Pastor.. May God Forgive you!



GOD Has Nothing to do with that Program...

You have no gift of prophecy yet you insult those with prophecy. You are just a religious nuisance on NL.
Just give it time, you will be humbled.

Righteousness89:

I am a Servant of God..

God has Nothing to do with Evil , Immorality and Abomination in the Name of anything...

Any so called Pastor Decieving and involving himself which such Nonsense is a False Prophet and a Son of Belai

Light and Darkness do not Walk together

I thought what makes a Christian different from a Muslim/Jew is the transition from servanthood to sonship?

You're still a servant, no wonder you act like one.

Maximus69:
He said we belong to an extremist group like ISIS.
Yet there has never been a time someone was EXTERMINATED by JWs neither has anyone seen a weapon with JWs before!

That's absurd.
I know JW are extreme but a non-violent group.
I'll get more information to know what his meaning is.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s4/images/orijin-bitters.jpg[/img]
Word. Gbam.

Somebody please pass this my guy, brother and blood, Myer, this chilled bottle of orijin. Plus send him a truckload of kolanuts as well and after that, consider him sharp sharp, for next governor of his state of origin.

Right on point on all accounts. Wehdone Sir! Please drink responsibly though.

. I will gladly oblige in the name of promoting orijinality.

Janosky:
But many people here want Putin to persecute JWs for OBEDIENCE to biblical principles and practices acceptable to God.

It depends on the offences he's persecuting them for.

Glaxxs:
Source: https://www.kemifilani.ng/2020/07/late-singer-nomoreloss-wife-phoenix-osinuga-dies-after-a-long-battle-with-fibromyalgia.html

Didn't want to comment on this cos it's too painful. Both of them were such light. Nomoreloss was an artist beyond his time. And Phoenix was just one of my favorite voices on Rhythm back in the day.

I do hope they've found peace.

chatinent:
Of course, Christians who want to marry are commanded to choose only a fellow believer. ( 1 Corinthians 7:​39) Jehovah’s Witnesses view this command as referring not merely to a person who respects our beliefs but to one who shares and practices those beliefs as a baptized Witness. ( 2 Corinthians 6:​14) God has always directed his worshippers to marry only those of the same faith. ( Genesis 24:3; Malachi 2:​11) This command is also practical, as modern researchers have found.
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I know some will reprove me saying 'we are all Christians.'
Think: If you marry, will you appreciate if she didn't come to your church? Will it end in happiness? Would you share her beliefs? Even greatly, it will be disobedience to our God. We appreciate marrying people who share our beliefs; it brings happiness and we can avoid marry problems as pre-marital sex, unwanted pregnancies, and STDs.
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Next time when you say 'we are all Christians,' do well to be open-minded to ask yourself if your beliefs are the same with ours.
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Gracias.
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Comments are welcome. I'll respond to civil ones.

This balls down to the same division in the body of Christ. Christian's are divided, it's not just JW.
Catholics don't marry outside catholic except you choose to accept to become one of them. Likewise white garment and some other orthodox churches.

New generation churches place less emphasis on this, though some of them are beginning to imbibe the culture too.

Christians don't really believe you're a Christian unless you are from their own denomination.
I remember when I was attending Bro Gbile's Discipleship classes, that was even worse. You're not Christian until you are a consistent member of their class.

The division is an eyesore.

dalass:
Happy Sunday to all Nairalanders.

Congratulations to us all. By God's special grace, we're seeing the last Sunday in July despite all the evil happenings all over. To God be the glory!

Sabbath is biblical and observed by Jews from sun down on Friday till sundown on Saturday.

It was ordained by God as the day in which He rested after creating the heaven and earth in six days.

Sabbath was really made by God for mankind because God

- Does not sleep or slumber He doesn't get tired like we do. He's a Spiritual supernatural being. We are flesh and we get tired, hence we do need rest.
- God wants a day to have us to Himself without the distractions that trading or other activities bring into worship.
- Every living thing God made needs to rest to avoid breaking down.
- There is a place of rest in God spiritually that we need to enter for our own peace of mind. It is possible to lay down and try to sleep but if your spirit/ mind is not at rest ( busy or worried) you won't sleep!

Do you observe Sabbath?
Which day do you observe yours? (Friday Saturday or Sunday)
Why do you worship or rest on that particular day of the week?
Have churches been opened in your State?

Do have a wonderful Sunday!

Sabbath is Friday to Muslims, Saturday to Jews and Sunday to Christians.
I call it Separation of power.lol

But to a follower of Christ, it is insignificant. It is not a matter of day of the week or geographical location. For those who worship the Father worship in Spirit and Truth as God seeks those to worship him. John 4:19-24

JourneytoEL:
I have many experiences, but let me share one, I was in church one day rounding up my personal fasting and prayer for an internship placement and for a fruit of the womb. I just came from the market with a heavy load, as I dropped my offering money my conscience told me to drop every cash I had on me including my transport like every money in my pocket. I hesitated at first wondering if it was from the devil, I was also thinking of how people will laugh at me, a newly married woman trekking that distance with a heavy load, people will say my husband doesn't take care of me, but the pressure on my conscience was much, what if I slump on the road because I was so tired. I finally said, if i perish, I perish. I dropped all the money i had on me, carried my heavy load and started trekking home, I had not trekked up to 10 steps, my neighbour saw me from afar, started calling my name, packed and took me home. That was when I knew it was truly God. The internship list came out 2 weeks later, out of 66 applicants they took 8 and my name was miraculously among. Everyone kept asking me what sort of connection did I use, because the hospital normally takes just 5-6 every year, what happened did I do that the rule was bent this year. That same month I missed my period and to his Glory I had a son 9 months later.

Thanks for sharing.
Have you heard from God concerning the present global crises? Especially concerning Covid-19? Is it real or a hoax? If real, is it God's punishment or man-made bio-weapon from China?

JourneytoEL:
The ability to hear directly from God is one of the greatest achievements any Christian can make on earth. There are 3 types of voices a Christian can hear:
* Voice of flesh(self)
* Voice of the devil
* Voice of God
The goal is to know the voice of God perfectly to recognize the voices of counterfeit, because the devil is a master impersonator. God's words glorify him always, makes you love him the more. God's words can never contradict the Bible. Whenever you hear a voice that contradicts the Word of God know it's from the devil. Very common examples of devil's voices are:
* Go and commit fornication with that church member for more anointing. My grace is sufficient for you.(It is against 1 Cor 6:18)
* Stop attending any church just worship me from your house (God can never tell you to stop attending church services, however he can direct you to another Bible believing Church that will groom you properly). It's against Heb 10:25, Ecc 4:9-11, 1 Thes 5:11.
Etc

How does God speak to us.
Visions and trances
In Acts 10:8, God spoke to Peter through this way and he still does it today. The devil has his own counterfeit. He too can disguise as an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14). He mostly uses astral travel and out of the body experiences. (Whenever you see a vision or supernatural encounter watch out if the name of Jesus is mentioned, if you can speak out His name thrice and watch out for reactions).

Our Conscience
That little still voice telling us to good and judging us is the voice of God. His laws are in the hearts of every human being, however disobeying the voice results in a hardened heart that rarely hears God. Prov 20:27 says the Spirit of man is the lamp of God, searching his innermost heart ( conscience).

Divine Ideas
Attimes during prayers, an idea you weren't thinking of can jump into her heart. That is one the ways God speaks to you. He can also put pressure in your heart to perform a good cause.

Others are the directing us to the Scriptures, dreams, directing us to His true messengers(prophets), through sermons, Christian meditation(not yoga).

Share other ways through which you have heard the voice of God.

Just out of curiosity, can you share an experience where you heard from God and it came to pass or helped you.

izzyboi:
When I was younger and got my first phone from my parents, I tried sometimes to call my number from my phone but it never went through for once.

As I grew older and owned a dual SIM phone, I tried to call one SIM from the other but every single time I tried, I got a reply along the lines of "Sorry, the customer is not reachable".

I believe you have tried it once (well, that's if you're inquisitive as me). So, let's get to the point of this article- why you can't call your number from your phone.

Here's a really simple explanation.

When you attempt to call yourself, your number becomes busy trying to send out a call.

What happens next?

Your number can't receive that call because it's busy trying to make a call happen!

Here's a bit technical explanation. When you attempt a call, a signal is sent to the satellite, the satellite receives it and sends it to the person who are trying to call. In the case where you're trying to call yourself, your phone is busy sending out a signal and cannot receive another at the same time.

But this is not where it ends.

Programming from network operators could be also responsible. When you call a busy line (not your phone number), the system activates call waiting.

However, in the case of calling your own phone number, the system does not allow(invoke) call waiting.

So now you know why the call never went through.

Source: https://phonedey.com.ng/blog/why-you-cant-call-your-number-from-your-phone-b5

Idiot!

Brandstudio01:
I don't blame them. I blame it on the state of the nation

He has a point though.
With the state of the nation it seems the Muslim and Christian God condones corruption while the traditional God strikes immediately.

skimena:
Last month made it 4 years since my neighbor travelled to Italy via the Mediterranean Sea. Thank God for him, he arrived safely irrespective of the hurdles on the way.

He left behind a beautiful young woman not up to 29 years of age and with a little daughter of 6 years old.

Prio to this time I wasn't close to the wife but as time goes by this woman started greeting me frequently, exchanging cd plates with me even joining me to watch movies sometimes. I started noticing she's hot with her sexy hairy body. One night she opened up to me that she needs the touch of a man if we could be doing it secretly because her husband still promise to come for her hence what she needs is someone to be touching her once in a while and it must be a secret.

I truely like the offer but I'm scared of betraying my neighbor by banging his wife. I'm still thinking about it.

She clearly needs your help. You're only being your brother's keeper, literally.

Bodexman:
As for me, I'll continue to pray for God's mercy because He is so gracious in mercy.

And to the ever caring God, he'll turn every curse into blessings for me in Jesus name

Amen!

The problem is that people do not read their bibles. Hosea 4:6

That's why they are tossed everywhere by the crafty doctrines of men. Ephesians 4:14

Yes, not tithing used to attract curses on the Jews. Malachi 3:8-9

But the blood of Jesus redeemed all from the curses of the law. Galatians 3:13-14

Now you give willingly and cheerfully. 2 Corinthians 9:6-8

Not because there's any financial curse to it.
So many financially successfull non-Christians and even Christians don't tithe but give as they will.

Oyedepo is one of the biggest corrupted prosperity preachers who has exalted the love of money above God. 1 Timothy 6:5-10
Virtually all his messages are based on faith in tithes and seed sowing for financial prosperity, not faith in Jesus Christ.

The lockdown continues to expose these wolves in sheep clothing profiting of the gullible masses. Matthew 7:15-17

The irony is they invite you to their church with the message of salvation from every sin and curse.
But when you become a member the message changes. All of a sudden you're not completely saved and you are cursed if you do not pay tithes.

That's why most Christians pay tithes out of fear and not cheerful heart.

Righteousness89:
Anyone without JESUS can do anything Evil , Abominable and Wicked....

It is only JESUS in a Man or Woman that can keep Him/Her From Performing evil and Wickedness...

You again
Explain why a G.O. was helping Magu siphon stolen funds.

So everyone with or without Jesus can do anything evil, abominable and wicked.

Most business owners don't even trust Christians cos the same tongue-toting, holier than thou staff commit the worst crimes/frauds when faced with challenges.

I admire and celebrate the inno-vation and creativity of Innoson.
I hope his igbo community patronised him though.
Atleast before expecting the rest of Nigeria to follow suit.

MrConstantine:
If these guys don't take care,

War might happen soon..

Location: south east

Enemies : Igbos VS igbos


Casuality : not ascertained yet...

Probability of peace: 0.000001%


Mediator: Yorubas (peace makers)

A house divided within itself is certainly heading for a colossal crash.

ksstroud:
Religion apart.
I'm not a religious man because I don't have any religion.
I believe there's a Supernatural being that is God in the context of One that controls the affairs of the universe.

To your questions, if you believe in God and live rightly and at the other side, there truly exists the heavens and the hell, then you have something to gain as a reward for your belief and righteousness.
If there exists no heaven and no hell, then you have nothing to loose as your belief and righteousness cost you nothing than just having gone as good man in the face of the current people on earth.

Philosophically, I will rather believe in God and live rightly, get there and meet no heaven or hell than not believing and live rightly,then get there and meet heaven and hell.

At last, it's all about CHOICE. Nothing is by force.
But tomorrow will always be the product of the choice we made today.

Selah

What if your belief continues to fail?

Believing in God promises divine guidance, healing, joy, peace of mind, prosperity, etc.
What if these are not your reality even as a Christian?

Are you not lying to yourself and living in denial?

emrain:
The gospel


A lot was accomplished with the mental model above, great cities were built, most importantly, great men with character emerged from it.

In my little research on why religion had a backward effect in Africa, I noticed something profound - Africans are more interested in making heaven rather than making the earth heaven. The reverse is the case with progressive nations.

Heaven is not the goal of religion. Heaven is merely a reward for making God’s earth a better place. A reward you'd have to die to receive.
The elucidation in Matthew 25:35-40 couldn't have been simpler.

The truth
The old religious era has sailed. There's enough reason to do whatever we do for the next generation. There's enough reason to live for others. Why are Africans still missing it?

We have an opportunity to move forward with modern practices and science, but instead, I still see people talk about how Africans would have been better off without western/Arab religions. Some people even reminisce about ancient African religious practices that got them nowhere.

When are we going to move forward with the world? When are we going to upgrade religion to a tool for human advancement instead of a ticket to heaven?

Africa rise! The time is now!

Clearly the church has failed in this aspect.
The church had been oriented with the heavenly goal mentality they dissociate themselves from making earth a better place. Many churches are still of the opinion that Christian's are not to meddle in politics. The result of which has produced the Nigeria we see today.

Also some Christian's also have the mentality that no matter what they do on earth their heaven is secured so they themselves are the ones corrupting the earth as along as they ask God for forgiveness and pay their tithes.

Stone03:
Sorry please I stand to quote you wrong. There can never be a porn addict happy in his/her marriage and there can't be a fire brand Christian struggling with porn. You just dropped these points from your perspective of imagination and not reality.
Porn is very demonic with its target towards marriage destruction, you may not understand this. Secondly, only lukewarm Christians struggle with porn and not fire brand ones because the fire of God does not grow on the weakness of men, especially pampered weakness.

Well I'm not forming a fact. I'm simply stating from the statistics I've met.

I know many firebrand Christian's who everyone in church perceived to be holy but they themselves shared testimonies of how they were addicted to porn all the while but had recently been delivered. If not for their testimony we would not have known.

About good marriages, I stand to be corrected. These would hardly come out publicly to share.

judedwriter:
I have written basing mostly on my experiences from porn and masturbation... and I believe many too have the same experiences.

That's the problem of writers. You can't form a fact out of your personal experience.

Like Joshmodest rightly said, there are many who don't fall into your demographic. Many who are social and have good marriages and still addicted to porn.

There are also many firebrand Christians especially the youths addicted to porn.

Toks2008:
When I gave my life to Jesus at a very tender age, I thought it will be an experience that will be void of challenges but as I grew and life began to take away my innocence, I suddenly came face to face with the reality that I can never ever live a sinless life. I constantly battle with addictions, bad habits, and sins then fear crept in and I began to doubt my salvation, I began to doubt my chances of ever making heaven.

But I became liberated when I found out that GOD is never hard on me. All he wants me to do is to never ever condemn myself because I struggle with sins and addictions even after I have accepted Christ as savior(Romans 8:1) but that I continually work out my salvation with fear and trembling(Philippians 2:12) and this simply means that I must never find pleasure in sins, but acknowledge my weaknesses, but if I do sin, I can always come to him to ask for forgiveness, mercies, and strength to carry on(1 John 2:1)even if I struggle with sins till the point of death...

The narrative above applies to many believers who had at a point accepted Jesus but still struggled with their salvation afterward.

The secret the Devil does not want believers to understand is that the moment you give your life to Jesus, you are guaranteed a place in heaven if you do not give up on yourself because GOD will never ever give up on you. The devil will constantly accuse you with your sins so that you can give up your salvation but the gospel truth is that Your bad habits, addictions, and even sins can never ever separate you from the love of GOD as long as you are always willing to let go and allow GOD to help you.
Just as it is written...Romans 8 Verses 38 to 39. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

No matter the sins, addictions or bad habits you struggle with, you can do away with them totally if you sincerely want to. The biggest problem is that people always believe they can fight the battles on their own but it is impossible for anyone to do that...all you need is ask the Holy Spirit to help you overcome whatever bad habit, addiction, and sins you battle with and you will be amazed how easy it will be for you to hate those vices you thought you can never do without.

The bottom line is that as long as you come to Jesus, you are guaranteed heaven if you don't give up on yourself even if you struggle with sins till the day you die...

Hebrews 10:26-31
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

AntiChristian:
Why the lies?

Actually salvation is not free cos it involves the believe that a father sent his son to be murdered...

It also requires money as tithes!

Check your second sentence.

I don't know why this cracked me up.

Truly it is a case of the more you look the more you start to see.

The bible ways salvation is free but then it is hinged on a lot of conditions.

Like you said, Jesus paid for everyone's salvation.

But then you have to be willing to give your life, hence 5he phrase giving your life to Jesus. God help you if you're led to die as a martyr.

Also you have to give (either tithes, offerings or freely as you choose depending on your denomination) otherwise they guilt trip you that you have no love.

You're expected to give your time and services either to join a department in your church or become a missionary.

Otherwise you are not sure of heaven. Cos the salvation does not include heaven. Even the apostles were walking out their own salvation in fear and trembling.

They lie to you that it is free then once you're in they start listing the conditions to you.

hoopernikao:
You are actually complicating the scriptures.
Result cannot nor will ever validate faith.

But since you want us to discuss this well. I can you show me text of scriptures that proved faith is justified by result. I await you.

Faith is justified by works. (Results) James 2: 14-26

This is analogous to the verse which says Wisdom is justified by her children. (Results) Matthew 11:19 Luke 7:35

How can you say you are an expert in a field yet you can't perform in that field?

I expected this from Maximus69 not you.

But like a yoruba a adage aptly put it, "tewe ba pe lara rose aa d'ose."
You've been arguing with him so long you're beginning to sound like him.

Ramos16:
Lol, this is wrong information, Twitter is removing it from their company not the platform you can use it

Thanks for the clarification. Cos I figured this would be corporate suicide if it's general.

But all the same, what is wrong with these leftists.
Someone was asking how bad homosexuality is, well voila.
Most of those pushing these agendas are the gay powers running US.

hoopernikao:
Abraham faith justified by having Isaac?

Chairmannnnn.


Read the below again from your bible.

Roman's 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Counted for righteousness there is the word for justification Sir.

Abraham faith is not seen in having Isaac, but Abraham faith is seen in offering Isaac. Check again. Abraham work of faith is the action he took to offer Isaac even when the promise says in his seed shall all nation be blessed.

That singular action of his ready to offer that seed (that the promise clinged), yet believing God that he can still fulfil the promise is the work of faith.


If Apostle James find you, he will first give you a good knock for reading him wrongly.

James work of faith is your actions of faith not result.

A brother in need comes to you and all you say is "have faith, God will bless you", That faith must first be demonstrated in you that you trust God. How will you demonstrate that? By releasing the little money on you to support him even though that can create lack on your end.

That action is what shows that you truly believe in God as your support and provider. So what James is saying is when you truly trust God, you will walk/work in it by your actions. This is not about result o.

When you claim you have faith, your line of actions must align with that. That is how faith is affirmed and seen. That is what Abraham did.

For example when you say you trust God for everything, we must see it in your actions. That means when I have any issues my first call and contact is to pray to God (prayer means communicate it with God) not starting up from strategy or connection. Those will be secondary as better direction will come.

That action of seeing God first in your challenges is the evidence of your trust and faith in him.

You need to get this o, so that your fight with Bro James will be minimal.

You're beginning to sound like Maximus69, twisting not only scriptures but also people's comments to your own meaning.

Now let me reiterate, Abraham's Faith yielded result.

This is not in response to Romans 4:3. His Faith in God counting as righteousness is before God, not men.

His Faith in God yielding the promises of God viz his children Isaac and Ishmael that would become nations, is the result that justifies his Faith.

I don't see the complication in comprehension here.

Faith is justified by its works, how is this an issue to argue?

I am a Christian, I should bear the fruits of Christ, and manifests the gifts of the Holy spirit.

My life should be witness of Christ. That is simply what you're arguing about, you realize that right?

hoopernikao:
I will leave this context to you as is not in line with what we are discussing so as to avoid us been distracted.

But know that when scriptures says Faith without works is dead, it is not referring to result but walk/work of faith. I will leave it at that.

Selah.

lol what then is the work of faith if it is not in the result that the faith produces?

Abraham had faith in the promise that he would be the father of many nations. Could the faith have been justified if he never gave birth to Isaac and Ishmael?
The place of faith never negates results. Which is what James was also alluding to. How can you claim you have faith and we are not seeing the works, the results that faith produces viz the fruit and gifts of the spirit etc.

It's simply denial not to admit that the Faith of Christians in Nigeria and the world at large has failed to produce the works (results) it is meant to.

solite3:
where is it written that people should mention names of angels in prayer?
celestial church is heavily into occultism

Are the Angels of God or of the devil?

Where is it written that people should mention names of Holy Mary or Saints or Pastors in prayer?

Because by your inference then Catholic church and most Pentecostals are definitely not of Jesus Christ.

Like I mentioned, there are occultists in every denomination, likewise there are genuine ones.

The search for power has led people to the occult ones.

[quote author=hoopernikao post=91334386]The reality is not in experience but in the truth of the scriptures. A believer realities are what the word of God says.

The word of God says the body in united, preserved, nothing can change that, No experience, no doctrine, no explanation or actions can change that. Hence what you see not that you call realities are only human perceptions of what the reality should be. And like i said, that will all fade away at the instance of the Truth and Reality.[/quote

The just (believer) does walk by faith. Yet faith is justified by its works (evidences).

If the word of faith declared fails to yield results (even over time), then how is it justified?

What made Jesus Christ and the Apostles believable was that their works were justified. Their words of faith produced results.

If Jesus had declared that he would be crucified, die and rise and it was only a matter of faith and never happened, then he would have not been believable.

That is what my assertion is. If the scriptural truth is not justified by the reality of its adherents, then is it truth?