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[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]^^^^Even after reading your post& d link,I m not convinced.
Let me point at something. We both agreed that Racheal gave birth to Benjamin&died while they were return home from Jacob‘s father-in-law. With ur argument that Joseph was sold before then,it means he could only have been sold in Padanaram which was where Jacob was staying before returning home. But to nulify that believe,when he was sold they were already in Canaan(Isaac‘s crib)&places like hebron&shechem were mentioned-Gen 37:1&14.
Some of this arguable assertions were made by theologians. I m not saying they are not knowledgable bible scholars but mosts of their points are usualy controversial & not convincing.[/quote]Rachel died while giving birth to Benjamin. Afterwards, there is a listing of the 12 sons of Jacob, and thereafter, the Holy Bible talks of Jacob burying his father, Isaac with his brother, Esau. Isaac died when he was 180 years old and he was 60 when he had his twin sons, Esau and Jacob, which means the twins were 120 years old. Jacob had Joseph at 91, because when the famine was in its second year and Jacob and his family arrived in Egypt, he told Pharaoh that "The years of my sojourning are one hundred and thirty. . ." (Genesis 47:9).

Joseph was thirty years old as of the time he entered the service of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so he was 39 in the 2nd year of the famine when his family relocated to Egypt. Which means that when his granddad was dead, (as of the time his father was 120 years old), he was still in Egypt. He was sold as a slave when he was 17 years old. So, my strong belief is that Benjamin was actually born when he was in slavery.

Kobojunkie: While employing her sons to high positions is ETHICALLY wrong, in a situation where she feels her sons are the best qualified for the job, and can show that they are, legally she can employ family members.

If she is in fact enforcing rule of law at the end of the day, and ensuring they are not stealing from the pockets of the Liberian people, and are delivering quality output, then I would commend her for this act among others. It is would still be more than what we have working today in Nigeria.

Kobojunkie: While employing her sons to high positions is ETHICALLY wrong, in a situation where she feels her sons are the best qualified for the job, and can show that they are, legally she can employ family members.

If she is in fact enforcing rule of law at the end of the day, and ensuring they are not stealing from the pockets of the Liberian people, and are delivering quality output, then I would commend her for this act among others. It is would still be more than what we have working today in Nigeria.

Kobojunkie: While employing her sons to high positions is ETHICALLY wrong, in a situation where she feels her sons are the best qualified for the job, and can show that they are, legally she can employ family members.

If she is in fact enforcing rule of law at the end of the day, and ensuring they are not stealing from the pockets of the Liberian people, and are delivering quality output, then I would commend her for this act among others. It is would still be more than what we have working today in Nigeria.

All three of her sons are eminently qualified over other Liberians? Pleasseeeeeeee!

If this was a family biz, it would be okay to employ family members but to employ three sons in high ranking positions of the Government reeks of nepotism, Sirleaf Johnson.

How about telling God to fight your battles? Is that a sin also? How can you tell God to fight your battles and at the same time pray to Him to bless your enemies? Well, God never lies, He never fails.

Read this: It's well narrated with solid points.

http://startfromscratchthinking..com/2007/07/was-benjamin-born-before-or-after.html

[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]....and what‘s your proof?[/quote]Answer: The Holy Bible says that Rachel died while giving birth to Benjamin.

Then we turn to the lifestory of Joseph who is described as a 17 year old boy. One day he had a dream that eleven stars and the sun and moon bowed to him. When he told his father and his brothers, the latter hate him even more while his father rebukes him by asking, "Will YOUR mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?" (Genesis 37:10)

Question who is the mother here? Obviously Rachel, because she was Joseph's mother. She hadnt yet died and Benjamin was not yet born because she died while giving birth to him. Another hint, the dream was a revelation of an event that would occur in future, so that would explain the identity of the eleventh star. Remember, if Rachel was still alive when Joseph had those dreams, then the eleventh star who was Benjamin was not yet born.

After Joseph was sold and he later on became the governor of Egypt, his brothers came and bowed to him. There, he remembered the dreams and ordered them to bring his brother to him. When they returned back home and narrated to their father about the harsh treatment they received from the ruler of Egypt and his request that they bring in their younger brother, their dad refused. When the famine grew more severe and Jacob told them to go back to Egypt to get more food, his sons refused to, telling him that the ruler insisted that they could only see his face if they brought his younger brother. Now, Jacob asks them, “Why did you deal so wrongfully with me as to tell the man whether you had still another brother" (Genesis 43:6). Read the interesting reply in verse 7.

But they said, “The man asked us pointedly about ourselves and our family, saying, ‘Is your father still alive? Have you another brother?’ And we told him according to these words. Could we possibly have known that he would say, ‘Bring your brother down’?”

From what I deduce, when his brothers bowed to him, Joseph remembered the dream he had previously, but he probably wondered about the identity of the eleventh star. So, to get to the root of the matter, he probed his brothers, 'Have you another brother?'And the brothers innocently or ignorantly told him that they did because that's what they told their father. That's another hint that Benjamin wasnt yet born.

Another instance is during the blessings Israel conferred on the sons of Joseph. Prior to that, he narrated to Joseph on the death of his mother, Rachel, and how and where he buried her.


Genesis 48: 7 "But as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died beside me in the land of Canaan on the way, when there was but a little distance to go to Ephrath; and I buried her there on the way to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem).”

Why would Israel recount the death of Rachel and her burial place to Joseph if he was visibly present during his mother's demise? Obviously, he wasnt, hence his father decided to, probably because he was her first child (and deserved to know) about the death of his mom as well as the burial place.

So, in my conclusion, Benjamin was born after Joseph was sold. It's very fascinating how the story unfolds and the lessons one can learn from it.

I think Benjamin was born after Joseph was sold.


[quote author=Alaafia l‘oro]He was born before Joseph was sold into slavery. Actually,Benjamin was given birth to by racheal when Jacob&his family were returning back home from Laban,his father-in-law(GEN 35:18). It was after their return to his father‘s house that Joseph was sold.[/quote]

The Story of Joseph and how he was sold by his half-brothers, where he rose to later on become a highly ranked leader in Egypt is one of the most interesting stories in the Holy Bible. Of particular interest is the story of the birth of Benjamin in this story. To some it is no big deal as they believe that he was born prior to his brother's slavery, while to others, they believe he was born after his brother was sold. It's an interesting how this puzzle totally unravels with regards to his birth and reunion with his elder brother.

So, what do you think? Was he born before of after Joseph was sold?

The OP: @atheist thank you very much, YOU SEE THE CHRISTAINS KEEP SAYING ALLAH IS NOT THE SAME AS JEHOVAH BASED ON THE DIFFERENCE IN BELIEF ABOUT THE CHRIST AND FORGET THAT THE JEWS DONT EVEN HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR JESUS TALKLESS OF ACCEPTING HIS DEITY WHILST AGREEING THAT THEY WORSHIP THE SAME GOD AS THE JEWS.

Back in the Old Testament, some prophets have received Divine Revelation on the future birth of the Savior, Jesus Christ. And even if Jews reject Him as the Messiah, dont forget that there are certain sects in Judaism that uphold Him as the Messiah of the World. They are called Jews for Jews, that is Jews who believe in the Messiaship of Jesus Christ.

Miss Edo is one of the most beautiful contestants.

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frosbel: God forbid, the answer is NO !!

God is not an author of confusion, he cannot ask you to come to him in a thousand different ways , each with contradictory styles of worship and belief systems.

There is only one way the true God, which is Yahweh , has provided for salvation and that is through Christ.

For one , ALLAH does not recognise Jesus Christ as the Son of God , so he is not and never will be the God of the bible.

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frosbel: God forbid, the answer is NO !!

God is not an author of confusion, he cannot ask you to come to him in a thousand different ways , each with contradictory styles of worship and belief systems.

There is only one way the true God, which is Yahweh , has provided for salvation and that is through Christ.

For one , ALLAH does not recognise Jesus Christ as the Son of God , so he is not and never will be the God of the bible.

frosbel: God forbid, the answer is NO !!

God is not an author of confusion, he cannot ask you to come to him in a thousand different ways , each with contradictory styles of worship and belief systems.

There is only one way the true God, which is Yahweh , has provided for salvation and that is through Christ.

For one , ALLAH does not recognise Jesus Christ as the Son of God , so he is not and never will be the God of the bible.

"Who" not "Which".

Excellent Answer though, except use "Who" instead of "Which"

I'd say take the job if desperate for a job and then look for in-house opportunities. No condition is permanent.

nahinbdis: I work in one of the foriegn Banks in VI. I have this close pal (a team leader) that recently started selling his wife's chin-chin in the office. I found he initially brought some for product testing in order to obtain valuable feedback for improvement. However people loved it and asked him to keep bringing and he has just started.

Thing is the guy is not broke (I know his pay and he drives an SUV). Someone commented today that he must really love the wife to do that. Another said its not so cool. I think its not so bad afterall particularly because the wife is just starting. What do you think?

Why do you have a problem with this man's decision to help out his wife in a honest way?

Not funny at all, the person is an illiterate, not their fault they couldnt go to school. In Ameria, they could be enrolled in an Adult program, that is why literacy is emphasized in this country. In Nigeria, even the most intelligent people sometimes drop out of school because of finances. Lets not laugh at the person, it's emblamatic of an uncaring society.

Read this discourse I posted earlier.

https://www.nairaland.com/13738/would-dna-testing-kids

If you can, try and go back to school and finish your masters degree. Talk to your former professors, explain your predicament and ask how you can get this degree. Then afterwards, you may decide to relocate home. With your degree and some cash, you can either rely on a better job (from a foreign country) in Nigeria and at the same time embark on some small scale business like hair salon or transportation business. I say once again, try and get your masters degree.

Angels never took part in the creation of mankind.

gaddafe: Very strong evidence in the bible make me believe that in the kingdom of God there is neither male or female. On a second thought, God said in Genesis 1:26 let us make man in our own image. He then created man, an evidence that suggest that God and his angels were males. Note: It was when he saw that man was lonely that he created woman. A situation that suggests that woman was initially not in the plan of God.
In the book of Genesis 6:2, when the angels of God saw that there were beautiful girls on earth, they took them as wives. A situation that later resulted in the ladies giving birth to giants on earth. Pls pardon me, I want to be real here, if the angels took the ladies as wives, it simply means they had penn!s. If not, what had they used in producing the babies?
Moslims belive that when you are fighting jihad and you die, some amount of virgins will be given to the individual in heaven, a situation I had often kicked against and tell them that in the realm of the spirit there is neither male or female.
What if there is a male or female in the realm of the spirit?
Based on the few anlysis above and lots more, I ask my fellow believers on NL, are the angels of God male or female?
When one dies which form will the spirit of the individual take?
What is the yardstick that will be used in measuring the gender one takes in the realm of the spirit?

Make we hear word on your boasting, ok. If you are financially stable as you claim, you would known the avenues (and operate on the same level) to meet men of yo own financial status, instead of coming to Nairaland.

It's wrong to buy gifts to your children's teacher because indirectly, they might favor your children over the rest of the non giving students. In America, it's really frowned upon. Please dont! A teacher's duty is to educate their students and you have already done your duty by paying thier school fees which is actually their salary.

You think it's easy to maintain a 3.9 GPA in the USA? Dude, out here, the standards here are pretty high. Your work is vetted for accuracy and to avoid plagiarism unlike Nigeria, where people can sleep their way to a high GPA.

slimming: so 3.9 GPA is a celebration in that university? when lots of people are making 4.5+ in Nigeria without international recognition.

Perhaps (and in my own opinion), the definition of begotten means He was created physically by God the Father, to come to the earth to die for our sins. That explains the meaning of begotten, meaning, he was created specifically for this purpose or it could also mean His conception defied natural laws since Mary was pregnant without the knowledge of any man. That's my own opinion. However, prior to His incarnation, Jesus Christ has always co-existed with God the Father.


http://bible.cc/hebrews/1-3.htm

viaro: ^^ I understand, and thank goodness my reply didn't come across muddled for you.

Here is something on that same question about "begotten" that I thought the deniers of Christ's Deity might consider - a few questions which I posted in another thread:

[list](a)     what is the meaning of "only begotten" in reference to Jesus Christ?

(b)     what is the meaning of "firstbegotten" in reference to Jesus Christ?

(c)     do you find anyone else described as "only begotten" in the same way as Jesus is?

(d)    do the terms "only begotten" and "firstbegotten" mean the same things to you?

(e)    when was Jesus Christ called "the only begotten" - before or after His resurrection?[/list]

Some have assumed that the term "begotten" is indicative of Christ having been "created" by God. Regardless the explanations that have been proffered, the same arguments are still advanced by the same folks. This time around, perhaps it is best to now ask them to EXPLAIN and RELATE how that affects the essence of Christ - just as you proposed. The easiest thing under the sun to do is deny and deny and keep denying a simple fact, regardless how many times answers have been proffered. So, here is a point at which we should directly ask these deniers to explicate the very term they have been forever singing about as the mainstay of their arguments.

I have heard such rumors, but Abiola, later in his life, confessed that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, that I read in one of Nigerian tabloids.

The scenerey is beautiful, see how our cash crops (palm oil fruits) co-exist peacefully with modern roads.

Meaning, what do you do when a secondary school student becomes pregnant as a result of rape? What do you do? Obviously (like my former secondary school), premarital pregnancy leads to automatic expulsion. Then again, you as a parent, how can you tell the principal that the girl's pregnancy stemmed from her being raped?

Fhemmmy: I am trying to understand this post . . .

Maybe, it's even a fake news, you never know, sometimes, journalist can make up fake stories to attract readers.

The only one I am very sensitive to is pregnancy from rape. How do you deal with that particularly when the victim is a secondary school student?

Yes, there is. It's called Nsibidi. Google it for more information.

stepo707: Is there any original written words for this dialect?lol

Not funny at all, it's a crime!!!

[quote author=~Bluetooth]The gods also need to shagg sometimes you know. . . people funny sha [/quote]