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niaralandtopuser:
I provided a link where it was said power was 6k+

'Available Capacity' not 'Actual Generation'. They aren't the same thing.

Meanwhile the available capacity as at 2019 Feb is now over 7600mw. You can read this report below.

The system operator put the nation’s installed generation capacity at 12,910.40MW; available capacity at 7,652.60MW; transmission wheeling capacity at 8,100MW; and the peak generation ever attained at 5,375MW.

https://punchng.com/power-generation-loses-1108mw-drops-to-3456mw/

niaralandtopuser:
I don't think we ever had zero under Gej.

my point is that buhari never improved on what Gej left but Gej actually improved on what he met on ground

You see what I keep saying, you're just hell bent on driving a pilitical argument here, albeit with just conjectures. Quit trying to go political here, power sector performance is the last area anyone should ever attempt to use for politics. There has never been a year when a total grid collapse has not happened since 1999 till date. In previous years, there wasnt a sharp political divide in Nigeria along the apc vs pdp lines, so there was never a need for the news on grid collapses to be amplified as political points.

niaralandtopuser:
I didn't argue that. I only had problem when you said power was 1000+ under Gej.

I repeatedly pointed out that power had always fluctuated between a range of 2k-4k megawatts, and that has always been the case since 1999 to date. Sometimes it falls below, sometimes it rises above, I only mentioned the drop to 1000+ because you were hell-bent on painting a utopian picture even first claiming that power was hitting peaks of 6000mw under GEJ and then now around 3000mw currently. That was a bizarre misconception which I believe was purely driven by political sentiments.

Oga power supply is the last thing anyone should ever try to use to argue politics cos power supply since I was born has always been shiit in Nigeria.

Historic data on daily power generation figuted can be viewed on this NESO site.
https://www.nsong.org/Library.aspx

niaralandtopuser:
your link only talks about brief moment when power came down due to strike and shutdown. it was never the true situation of power.
if we had to use same logic , then there was a time power was 0mw under buhari
https://punchng.com/power-generation-crumbles-to-0mw-for-several-hours/

But do you now understand the meaning of the word 'average'?.... I said average power has always fluctuated between 2000 and 4000mw since 1999. Of course there were times it peaked over 5000mw and times it fell to 1000mw and even zero, but average has always been between 2k and 4k.

niaralandtopuser:
look at the idiot who claims power was 1000+ when Gej handed over to buhari but can't seem to prove it.

the man said he performed poorly but here you are defending him
https://punchng.com/my-govts-performance-in-power-supply-not-good-enough-buhari/

Hahaha... Me?Idiot?.. Lord av merci!

I posted a news weblink every single time I mentioned that power dropped to 1327mw before handover in 2015, but of course you are so engrossed in your delusion to even bother opening the links I posted... and now you have the audacity to call me an idiot all for your own intellectual laziness?... Kaiii! ... In all honesty, who do you really think is the idiot between us both?

Obviously you're one of those people on this forum who think every discussion must be about a Buhari vs Gej or apc vs pdp matter; and of course whenever they remotely think or assume an argument might be steered in that direction, common sense instantly flies out the window.

I told you average power in Nigeria has always fluctuated between of 2000mw and 4000mw since 1999 to date, and whilst you argued blindly that the power sector was utopian (even up to 6000mw ) under GEJ, I pointed out with verifiable reference that power generation even fell to as low as 1327mw a week before May 29th 2015 when GEJ left.

But of course I must truly have been an idiot expecting an individual with your brain capacity to even bother reading or comprehending the link I posted; an individual who still hasnt been able to comprehend the difference between 'generating capacity' and 'actual generated power' is who I want to read a report which has more than 2 paragraphs?

I will say goodbye by posting these link once again, not necessary for you (cos you obviously still wouldn't comprehend it), I will post this here only for other members of this forum to behold your ignorance.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/183496-nigerias-power-generation-at-all-time-low-crashes-to-1327mw.html

Historic data on daily power generation can be viewed on this NESO site.
https://www.nsong.org/Library.aspx
www.nairaland.com/attachments/5381093_powergen_jpeg1c9f6029b22df1fe842d7c86b55cae51

Iamgrey5:
You are obviously slow

There's difference between installed capacity and generating capacity.

Whilst generating capacity can fluctuate, installed capacity can only increase

Jonathan exaggerated the installled capacity during his tenure because it was never more than 5000+ at best which I clearly stated earlier.

Lol... I think that guy is a child.

niaralandtopuser:
lies from fashola and osibade
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/327200-nigerias-generated-electricity-drops-further-to-2919mw.html

what we have now is even less than 3000mw.
Jonathan improved what he met on ground while buhari reduced what Jonathan left for him.

niaralandtopuser:
lies! there was never a time when power was that low under Gej.

did Gej not improved what was on ground? what has buhari added to what he met on ground?


here is buhari admitting that he performed poorly in the power sector
https://punchng.com/my-govts-performance-in-power-supply-not-good-enough-buhari/

If you aren't a child, then I would be shocked. So maybe I should break it down for you as a minor.

Do you know the meaning of the word 'average'?

Do you understand what it means when someone says something "fluctuates between 2000 and 4000mw"?

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/183496-nigerias-power-generation-at-all-time-low-crashes-to-1327mw.html

The link above shows that power generation even on the week GEJ left office was less than 2000mw. Do you still undersatand the meaning of the word 'average' especially when I repeatedly say the power generation averages between 2000-4000mw?

niaralandtopuser:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/327200-nigerias-generated-electricity-drops-further-to-2919mw.html
We are running on below 3000 now. Jonathan improved on what he met on ground but buhari reduced it

Like I said before, the day GEJ handed over power to buhati, power generation was 1327mw.

In summary, just have this in mind and quit trying to turn facts upside down for a needless political argument - Nigeria's power generation has always fluctuated between averages of 2000 and 4000mw, regardless of who was/is power.

niaralandtopuser:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/327200-nigerias-generated-electricity-drops-further-to-2919mw.html
We are running on below 3000 now. Jonathan improved on what he met on ground but buhari reduced it

Like I said before, peak generation is different from average generation. Nigerias average generation has always fluctuated betweeen roughly 2000 and 4000mw since 1999 till today.

As a matter of fact again, the very week when GEJ was preparing to hand over to PMB, power generation dropped to 1327mw.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/183496-nigerias-power-generation-at-all-time-low-crashes-to-1327mw.html

Under GEJs time, just like it happens today, there aslo used to be total system collapses where power generation the nation over dropped to zero... It isnt a new thing.

So quit confusing yourself with this erroneous subjective argument of yours that it was better under A or under B. If you must even compare vague figures, why dont you also consider that the Peak generation under GEJ never got up to 5000mw but it has since surpassed that?... Why also dont you compare with verifiable data that peak generation capacity which was about 6000mw pre 2015 is now over 7000mw?...

How exactly did you arrive at your amusing conclusion that GEJ increased power and Buhari reduced it?

niaralandtopuser:
https://m.guardian.ng/news/power-capacity-hits-6000mw-as-jonathan-commissions-fct-substation/

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/327200-nigerias-generated-electricity-drops-further-to-2919mw.html

If I have a car that has the capacity to hit 220km/h, but I have only driven it to speeds of 120km/h, what that simply means is that the peak speed my car has ever attained is 120km/h, not 220km/h.

There is a difference between power generating capacity and actual generated power.

Talking of capacity, I believe Nigeria's generation capacity presently is about 7500mw, but that is not to say we have ever hit that level before.

Iamgrey5:
Bro don't mind them

Nigeria gets majority of its energy from Gas powered plants.

How does raining season affect gas distribution or those involved in pipeline vandalism?

When there is a high load demand on the system and say for example, one major power plant shuts down for whatever reason, the strain on the system becomes even more critical and this could lead to a total system shutdown.

Now how does rainy season affect or help the overall power grid?.... In the peak of rainy season when the dams are full, power generation from hydro dam reaches the peak and helps to stabilise the overall grid. So even if for whatever reason, one or 2 thermal power plants shutdown, the stable power pumped into the grid from hydro plants will somehow still sustain the grid and prevent a total system collapse.

niaralandtopuser:
you have your phone?. there is Google

Peak generation ever attained in Nigeria is 5,222.3mw, and that was sometime in February 2019; and I'm not sure it even lasted up to 24 hours before dropping again below 5000mw. The first time Nigeria's power generation ever crossed the 5000mw mark was in January 2016; once again, it didnt even last up to 24 hours before dropping again.

Since 1999 till date, Nigeria's power generation has hovered around averages of 2000 to 4000mw average; peak generation ever attained was 5222 mw and that was in 2019 as I already mentioned above. Nigeria's power generation has never hit 6000mw.

So I ask you again, what beer parlour do you get your statistics from claiming that power generation was hitting 6000mw during the reign of GEJ?.... You advised me to hit google, try and be honest with yourself, have you bothered googling to confirm what you wrote up there?

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/309349-nigerias-power-generation-increases-in-january-tcn.html

niaralandtopuser:
there is actually less power now than in 2015. the only thing that change is the distribution. it is now being done with bias . some area get improve supply while some get zero supply.

before gej handover, we were distributing close to 6000mw but now we are just on 3000+

What beer parlour do people even dig out these kind of figures from?

blaise26abj:
An era will come with this stupid initiative that people will have meters but no electricity. An era where electricity is sold to the highest bidder to the detriment of the poorer Nigerians. The discos will have no motivation to improve as long as a segment of the populace can pay. Whoever implemented that initiative is the enemy of the people.

Solutions. Why not grant licenses to independent companies that can use gas to generate for small clusters to operate instead. Estates like Magodo can get a company to produce and distribute electricity for them . Stupid and selfish people in position of power

That license I believe has since been granted.

Raysleek:
Electricity in Nigeria is no more a right and a social a memory but a commodity that is now being sold by the govt to the highest bidder.. If this is true then it's a shame

Since when did electricity become a right?... Electricity is a commodity for sale, and any salesman or vendor will be more willing to sell to customers who are ready to pay more.

Meanwhile did you say "sold by the govt"? A lot of Nigerians are still stuck in this same welfarist bubble where they believe govt is responsible for even bad weather conditions. IKDC is a private company, do you blame govt when your MTN or Glo network fails to connect??

Quite a mature response from Festus. Typically in situations like this, most people jump into defensive mode irrationally and then totally deny their buddies. But he just said it as it is, "my friend is my friend, regardless of what wrong he may have done."

Hungry shameless women everywhere...

MasterSteps:
Nigerian Police Force - Ministry of Police Affairs
Customs - Ministry of Finance.

Police affairs didnt exist 2015 to 2019.

Customs under ministry of finance?... I had no clue about that

Gaddafithe2nd:
Police Force is not under Ministry of interior. They have their own ministry and a minister of police affairs.

Yeah that's correct. But I think it's just a recent development. if I'm right, there was no ministry of police affairs between 2015 & 2019, the police was under the interior ministry in the last tenure.

Are they siblings?

funmike83:
If in may ask , of what benefit is this ministry to the poor and to the nation as a whole? This is pure distraction and a way of embezzling money

The Interior Ministry oversees internal security in the country; it oversees the Nigerian Police Force, Immigration, Customs, Civil Defence, Prison Services, Fire Service etc.

Are you still wondering what role the ministry plays in the nation as a whole?

IGBOSON1:
And i can assure him the core northern muslim elite will not return the favour!

Naive elite like Nnia Nwodo are a huge part of our problem as Igbos!

I guess if he had rather said Igbos should kill northerners living in Igboland, that would automatically make him your hero and a part of the 'solution'?....

After the whole IPOB saga ended few years back with Kanu leaving the country, I actually thought 'sense' had returned to the millions of Ipobians who lost it then.

deji68:
Well. all the states in the the Niger Delta have their own allocation. i dont think he is going to administer all these states. There are lot of uncompleted project in the Niger Delta abandoned by this same ministy. like u said let wait an see how he goes about the JOb. Big allocation no mean nothing ooo there are some state that cannot account for their big allocation or revenue , Delta, even Lagos

Niger Delta states all have allocations but that's not the point here, the point is that as the ND minister, Akpabio with a budget less than 10% of what he played with as governor, will now be saddled with the responsibility of distributing projects across 9 states, as opposed to just one.

I agree with you on states like Delta, Bayelsa and even Lagos; Lagos might claim to have a large urban space and population, but I still think that excuse doesnt sell when one considers the massive revenue.

jcross19:
no! they are marketing their goods! like H.I.V, hepatitis B virur, syphilis, herpes and many more!

If they're marketing their goods, how is that the problem of men who claim to be morally upright?... Or do they force the goods down on you or on anyone else?

grandstar:
What will Festus Keyamo do when Akpabio begins to dish out highly inflated contracts?

Huh!? How is this question related to my post?

Anyway, Festus has no portfolio, he's only been granted the privilege of beairing the title 'honorable minister'.

deji68:
I like the guy , he will do a great job...but he is corrupt sha, like all of them

Akpabio was able to do some beautiful things in Akwa Ibom because of the sheer size of money that state had. Akwa Ibom can easily be said to be the richest state by far in Nigeria and when you consider the massive allocation the state gets vs what Akpabio actually did, you will realise he was that wonderful.

Meanwhile, the allocation of the ND ministry is nothing to write home about (less than 10%) compared to the funds which were at his disposal as governor. To compound matters, Niger delta covers 9 states. It would be interesting to see what he can do with little or no funds to play with.

The ladies twerking online, did they lament to anyone that they're looking for men to take them to mama?

1x2x3:
The price will be the same for Poor Buhari supporters and the rest. .

This price increase was already agreed and instituted far back as 2013/2014 when the power companies were unbundled and that was before PMB became president. During the privatisation, DISCOs proposed a very high price but the agreement with govt was that the price increase would be implemented in phases through the years; first phase was for 2015, second phase 2019, and Nigerians should brace up for more rounds of tariff increase cos the DISCOs are still agitating for what they term "cost-reflective electricity tariff". Except you want Bubu to cancel the agreement signed or reverse the privatisation deal (with severe legal consequences), there's not much he has to do with this.

toolovely:
Comparing GSM and power is a very poor analogy.
GSM has many operators which made the market competitive. Each had options of fixing their own prices thereby attracting customers.
But power has no such thing.
In South East for example, who's competing with eedc? They have the sole right to distribute power there. They can choose to distribute or not and you will still pay. You can give a company monopoly and expect same company to reduce price.
And what happens to the billions of dollars that have been spent in the past for power generation?

But this problem of monopoly is the reason the govt has to step in through NERC to regulate the prices. The DISCOs have been lamenting that low cost of power is the reason they aren't able to raise enough revenue to improve their services; if the DISCOs were left too fix prices, Nigerians would by now have been paying thrice the current cost.

Since these ministerial portfolios were assigned today, one thing has sure been revealed - Keyamo has a large number of deeply bitter haters.

AmazingELixir:
My brother you are completely wrong when you stated that generation and distribution is as easy as ABC , ofcourse all those who made similar statements all met with calamitous failures starting with Bola Ige of blessed memory and of recent Raji Fasola, their utterances came about because of their limited understanding of the intricacies and peculiarities of the power sector especially in Nigeria.

To even say the problems of Nigerian power sector isn't technical is quite debilitating to say the least, Financing and policy formulation the other components of the sector come about with sound technical inputs not from personnel managers but discipline technical resource persons.

Fashola is a brilliant and astute resource manager atleast his exploits while at the helm of affairs in Lagos says somuch, why then did he fail, forget all those crap about increase in the generation capacity in the country, I tell you this in good authority never in the history of power transmission in this country have we had the number of total grid failure in a calendar year as under Fashola's time.

Those guys you mentioned (i.e. Bola Ige, Prof Nebo, Liyel Imoke, Fashola etc.) all made the same erroneous assumption you are making now thinking that the power problem in Nigeria persists due to just a lack of managers with technical knowledge. Those guys were all correct when they said power generation and distribution isn't rocket science. But where they all failed is in their lack of appreciation of the fact that you need something totally different from just technical skill / knowledge to light up Nigeria.

Prof Nnaji understood the market to a good extent because he was a major player; but the same forces which kicked him out are the same forces which made all the other power ministers to fail; that force isn't technical illiteracy, rather it is political, commercial, legal and administrative.

Mekenz:
I understand the points you're trying to pass across, but still you're still far from the reality on ground, let me share one story with you. not long ago, I was called upon to checkmate a building that has cracks at all corners of it,waiting to collapse to issue my expertise knowledge on how best to salvage it,to avert total collapse. these said building was own by a barrister in us,he was around and overseas the building,always claiming ITK, giving orders on best materials to be used,just months down the line the building started developing those faults, I earlier mention. he was so helpless and has no option than to seek for professional service,also imaging yourself an engineer, and you gave a contractor a project, you will always detect whenever he or she is trying to cut corners,because it is your field. choosing and delegating people to their areas of interest,knowledge and expertise can never be over emphasize, even if the person doesn't do much because of the Nigeria factors issues that you raised, but he will perform far more than a novice in that particular field.

You still miss the point; finding a solution to a cracking problem is a purely technical problem which needs a foreman with technical skill/knowledge. But imagine the actual problems stopping the repair of the building are inability to obtain funds from the building owner, a persisting legal dispute between land owner and host community, activity of area boys and cultists in the neighbourhood harassing the builders, etc. With these kind of problems, if you hire the best civil engineer in the world (but who has no street skills, administrative abilities, legal doggedness etc) to oversee that project, how exactly do you think that crack can be fixed.

Like I said before, the problems plaguing the progress in Nigeria's power sector are far from technical issues that just need a technically competent person to fix. If you have a glimpse of the political, legal, commercial, financial and even spiritual issues (like Prof. Nebo admitted in frustration) which plague the power sector in Nigeria, you will acknowledge my earlier statement that Nigeria's power problems are absolutely not technical.

cc: AmazingELixir