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Buhari will be blamed...

tundeayo2020:
wrong!

WAEC conducts WASSCE sir.

knowledge is not easy at all

What's the difference between WASSCE and SSCE?... West Africa?... or do they conduct another type of SSCE which isn't WASSCE?

Ahhhh... The prof now got balls?

oshe11:
Did You vote in APC to repeat what PDP has done or to change the status quo?

Oh yeah! Same ol line of defence they always come with whenever the madness doesnt favour their own narrative... "I thought Nigerians voted for change."

When all these nonsense were happening in the 'other direction', Im sure you must have seen nothing wrong in it? It must have been proper democracy then. But now it's Buhari amd buhari alone that's killing denocracy as if to say wr ever had anything called democracy.

Whilst I actually love to see a better and orderly Nigeria where laws work, reading bare faced hypocritical comments like the one I quoted earlier always awakens that carefree side of me which just wants to see the PDP being punished in their own game. But APC has been too disappointing in that game.

Nigeria is ruled by 2 unruly parties - that is a fact! As long as the injustice is not to the ordinary Nigeria, but rather amongst themselves, I dont give a damn at this moment. The baboons can destroy themselves for all I care.

otokx:
Nigerians have very short memory, don't bother yourself.

Those people making those comments actually remember; they arent brain dead. But in order to have what to say, they intentionally feign amnesia.

NaijaMutant:
Nigeria, brace yourself for what is coming


Buhari has unleashed terror and impunity on our hard won democracy.

A tyrant and power grabber is on the throne.

An animal indeed can never give you human right

Exact same script played out by the animals who led us in 2014. Nothing new here.

Dejavu.... fly fence part 2. APC should really be ashamed, they should quit stealing the PDP's scripts. 4 years is enough to have come up with new jangolova ideas cos the PDP being the master of these sort of acts would already know the antidote.

About 5 day ago, I read that N150million each was given to senators to impeach Saraki. 2 days ago, another newspaper said N50 million each. Now another source says $1million each. Whatever the case, now is surely a good time to be a 'neutral' Nigerian senator.

Wtf!

anku90:
Kenneth you're a pick pocketer & political prostitute that's why you talk like Aba Market's tout. You were once a PDP supporter and agent, if not what were you doing with PDP agent's tag and jersey and now you turned against them, tomorrow will be APC. And it is true What Kenneth says is for himself not for his brothers in Igboland because they are wise enough they can't accept a man that destroyed Nigeria and let blood shedding, so he want to get Buhari attention like any other political prostitute. So when he lost the second term he will also says the same to next President in power. Its indeed he knows how to ACT loyal without being loyal.

Before 2013, over 75% of APC members today were in the PDP. So what's the big deal about having someone who was in the PDP now being a member of another party?... This animosity and disgust expressed towards Mr Okonkwo, do you have even a tenth of this disgust for the APC members like Saraki, Dino etc who recently switched parties to PDP?

GaintOfAfrica:
Reno just spoke the truth and Kenneth k owns it he is just trying to shy from the truth we can all see how you acted loyal on this picture. You didn't work with His Excellency because you didn't have the chance you would have killed for it. It's good that Reno calls prove like you out. You are a traitor and a lunatic

What proof do you have that the serial liar and propagandist called Reno is saying the truth?... Can you or Reno provide any evidence that Mr Okonkwo was working for or with GEJ?... And even if he was a member of PDP or was working for GEJ, what's the big deal about that?.... WHen has it become a new thing for Nigerian politicians to switch parties?... Oh I see, this time the switch isn't to your favour... Of course bloody bigots always think anyone who doesn't align with their own ideology is a lunatic.

I sometimes feel sorry for this babe... "I must trend by force," but unfortunately the only trending idea she always seems to be able to come up with whenever the world forgets her is one partially nude bedroom picture. Doing the same thing over and over, getting boring.

This is an interesting one if true. I heard he's being blackmailed with numerous evidence of his sleaze.

KratosCorp:
STFU.
[s]The only person spewing hate and falsehoods here is Andy and his traitorous co-travelers like you.[/s]

Truth does not hide, I'm not here to argue on a glaring truth with you, nobody here is a child. The person / group of persons spewing hate is clearly visible to the blind and audible to the deaf. Even individuals with various degrees of mental impairment can still differentiate who's spewing hate unnecessarily here.

I hate someone dearly does not mean I must have to go all over social media and drop 2000 hate filled comment against the person (that would even amount to giving myself high BP); I hate someone does not mean I must have to bombard the page of my own brother who supports the person with 10,000 hate filled insults, curses and threats. Andy has a right to support whoever he wants for whatever (most probably stomach) reasons.

2015 might just be about to repeat itself again. Politics of hate hate and hate without any public moderation or decorum is being played by the Igbo nation again. The question again is, what if Buhari wins in 2019?... And then we get another cycle of the same (or in fact, much worse) wailing and high blood pressure from the SE. You do not like a candidate does not mean you must go all out to the streets to openly express rabid hatred for such a person, especially in such a political season where Buhari still has a high chance of winning.

Amarabae:
This is so petty.
What kind of disgraceful statement is this?
Coming from a pastor.
Yuck

What many dont understand is that the recent emergence of an agbero like Oshiomole as apc chairman has actually made some folks in the PDP fold very uncomfortable. In a space of less than 2 weeks, this is the second time pastor Omokri is unleashing an unprovoked/unsolicited attack on Oshiomole. There must be something he isn't comfortable about.

aribisala0:
Well you are repeating yourself and AGAIN ....let me say dissembling. You are simply not telling the truth. I reproduce tour words and will not do so again. You never asked for " utterances.......

That is just A LIE


You asked for examples , he gave you examples , you did not like them and now yu are coming up with this utterances nonsense s an afterthought

Did he not support the executive order . Have I not mentioned that?

Anyway like I said "forgetting" does not only iinclude utterances but also silences
Silence on Malami and failing to point out the unconstitutionality of dasuki's detention as well as the Shiite leader.

You hve been fed examples ad nauseam and you continue repeating the same verbigeration.

I put up a challenge for you and your friend earlier to point out one example of where Prof Sagay made utterances that are unconstitutional. It is unfortunate if you cant read. The only responses you've been able to come up with are about how Sagay didnt comment on one issue or the other or how he's being selective with his utterance.

And then I summed up your statements by asking whether 'being silent' is unconstitutional and you call me stupid?

Like I said before, I would definitely be proving to be stupid if I continue with an argument with an overgrown slowpoke.

aribisala0:
Now that is a stupid summarization of my words.

Not commenting is "forgetting" or at least justification for the remark that he now remembers the constitution.

That is the overall context.

He had nothing to say about the illegal payment for helicopters or what Malami said about Dasuki. Those are issues that must concern the persona that he has presented himself to be

aribisala0:
All this verbiage changes nothing

Sagay came out to support the Executive order. Did he not

Sagay has nor commented on Malami's outrageous words on Dasuki sepite calling for Dasuki's release publicly last year

This lends credence to the claim that he has "forgotten" the constitution or is being selective in his utterances when it comes to constitutionality.

That is an inescapable conclusion.

Did you just suggest I'm stupid?

I put up a challenge for you and your friend earlier to point out one example of where Prof Sagay made utterances that are unconstitutional. The only responses you've been able to come up with are above; you've not pointed out a single unconstitutional utterance he made, rather you've been blabbing about how Sagay didnt comment on one issue or the other or how he's being selective with his utterance.

And then I summed up your statements by asking whether 'being silent' is unconstitutional and you call me stupid?

I swear, I don't even know what to say to you. But you already exposed your upbringing and your current mental state. I would definitely be proving to be stupid if I continue with an argument with an overgrown slowpoke.

aribisala0:
All this verbiage changes nothing

Sagay came out to support the Executive order. Did he not

Sagay has nor commented on Malami's outrageous words on Dasuki sepite calling for Dasuki's release publicly last year

This lends credence to the claim that he has "forgotten" the constitution or is being selective in his utterances when it comes to constitutionality.

That is an inescapable conclusion.

So not commenting on an issue is unconstitutional?... I keep learning new things everyday on this forum... Funny dude!

aribisala0:
You are the one that needs to go back and read your comment.

At no point did you ask
"point out where Professor Itse Sagay came out and declared something which was unconstitutional or openly endorsed something which was unconstitutional."

That is simply untrue. You are now "clarifying" or "interpreting" your words which were quite different and in response to a claim that hhe had "forgotten" the constitution.

By definition "forgetting" is an act of omission. Let that sink in slowly....

The point which I have made and which bears repeating is if it is true that he did "forget" the constitution then his SILENCE is as much evidence as his speech.

eg as I mentioned the Malami issue one would expect him to have an opinion and to express it and not doing so is evidence of "forgetting"

So two things
1.please do not now come here to LIE about what you said or to reinterpret what you said.

2.They made the initial claim that he "forgot" and forgetting does not equate to endorsing it can mean keeping quiet when expected to speak. bear in mind that last year when Buhari was sick he called for Dasuki's release.
Why is he silent on the constitutionality of Malami's claim that government can disobey court orders on security grounds


I think the claim that he forgot the constitution can be evidenced by silence as well as speaking. I think you are trying to recalibrate what you said initially all in a bid to "win" an argument by all means.

I mentioned the helicopter purchase again you ignored that. What was a brazen act of unconstitutionality as well as the executive order

Lol... Chief, it's really important that you understand the context of a message before you jump in to respond to it else you might risk confusing yourself and then going ahead to label people liars out of your own confusion.

Let me take you back, this was the exact comment I first responding to:
https://www.nairaland.com/4654834/joining-pdp-doesnt-affect-sarakis#69943237
The gentleman who I quoted asserted that "Sagay finally remembered the constitution today" (he originally had only the first paragraph)

...and then I asked him to provide any example of such a time when Sagay 'forgot' the constitution:
https://www.nairaland.com/4654834/joining-pdp-doesnt-affect-sarakis/1#69944165


He then responded:
https://www.nairaland.com/4654834/joining-pdp-doesnt-affect-sarakis#69943237
Ahaa! I now see where you missed the point.. It wasn't your fault. The guy I was conversing with (for the sake of 'likes') went back and placed his response on the first page by modifying his original post with those web links. That's why the message track got distorted and you missed the point.

Anyway, it was my response to those web links that you first responded to. And that explains why you didn't realize we were specifically talking of Prof Sagay.
https://www.nairaland.com/4654834/joining-pdp-doesnt-affect-sarakis/1#69945125

Seenyo:
no sarcasm intended! read over and over again,

you'll get the answer!

I never missed your point then. My response stands, you do not know who Sagay is.

Seenyo:
once again, go back & re-read my previous post!

the answer you're looking for is inbetween the lines and quit nagging & sounding like a broken record!

Oga Sir, those are your exact words below, and the words are too direct for you to now claim there's any implied meaning in-between the lines. Or maybe I might be wrong, maybe you were being sarcastic somewhere. So why don't you tell me?

Seenyo:
unbelievable!... so this man can spit the truth for once? .....wonders shall never end. OR IS HE ABOUT TO DECAMP TOO?

Seenyo:
if you ever decipher simple comprehension, go back and re-read my previous response, good luck!

Oga, quit running around in needless circles trying to be too smart. The fact is that you CANNOT point out any examples of Prof Sagay blabbing things which are unconstitutional all because of politics.

When it comes to things on the constitution, the man has a reputation (dating back several decades) of always spitting out the non-sugar coated truth 'whenever he is interviewed' irrespective of whose ox is gored. The report in the Op is a typical example of Sagay being Sagay. That's all I wanted to point out to you.

Just imagine your your assertion? That Sagay is speaking the truth for the first time today? Probably because his words today aligns with your narrative?... Are you sure you kniw who Sagay is?... Your sentiment driven wrong impression about him doesn't change who he is or his reputation.

Seenyo:
NEEDLESS!.. it's like asking me to point out just 1 LIE that LIE Mohammed ever told!

Lol.. I see! There are soooooo many examples, sooooo many that every single one of them skipped your mind.

aribisala0:
You asked for examples now you have been given examples you say you do not like the examples?

You cannot be complainant and judge.

Ultimately WHO is to be the judge about constitutionality ? YOU?

Guy leave that story. It all comes down to opnion and preference. Forgetting the constitution is not only by acts of commission but also omission

Not only by speaking but not speaking

The most obvious breach is failing to obey court court orders ordering the release of Dasuki and the Shiite leader, but there was the case of paying for helicopters without appropriation. Did he talk?

There are COUNTLESS examples of constitutional breaches under this government like the one before it.

The fact is when those are presented you can easily start another argument about whether they are breaches or not.

We heard Malami's bizarre argument about why Dasuki cannot be released.

You tell us where the president derieves authority to issue his most recent Executive order which seeks to usurp the role of the courts

Countless examples of constitutional breaches right?... Maybe you did not get the simple message; go back and read my comment which you quoted. I asked those guys to point out where Professor Itse Sagay came out and declared something which was unconstitutional or openly endorsed something which was unconstitutional. I wasn't talking of MAlami or anyone else, I asked that they point out where Professor Sagay openly declared something which was clearly unconstitutional.

Sagay has always been a man who speaks out facts exactly as it is irrespective of how it contradicts his political interest or affiliations. What is reported on this thread is a typical example, the entire APC apparatus is shouting that Saraki must resign as SP, but Sagay being who he is and has always been has come out openly to rubbish the opinion of his own party; that is who Prof Sagay is. So the challenge is still open, kindly point out where Sagay postulated something unconstitutional all because of politics. The dude above gave 4 meaningless examples, he obviously doesn't know the meaning of the word 'constitutional' which he keeps playing with.

Nbote:
Haaaaaaaaa!!! Sagay finally remembered d constitution!! Wonderful.. E b lyk Sagay has decamped oooo.. It was really painful for him to admit dis, he had to add "Arch betrayer" somewhere in d speech

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/247584-maina-buharis-critics-extremely-unreasonable-sagay.html

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/212967-without-buhari-nigeria-may-ceased-exist-itse-sagay.html

https://www.tlt.com.ng/2018/07/27/president-muhammadu-buhari-is-their-main-target-sagay-accuse-political-defectors/

https://politicsngr.com/corruption-reasons-buhari-cannot-touch-obasanjo-jonathan-sagay/

So his stance on Maina, on d mass defection and on media trials for alleged corrupt ex Presidents who haven't being charged or even prosecuted are all constitutional abi?? It is obvious U not only have a problem with English comprehension but logical reasoning as well

Your own ability for logical reasoning has been totally clouded and obfuscated by political sentiments. First of all, do you know the meaning of the word 'constitutional'? How exactly does a man expressing his personal political views amount to 'being unconstitutional'?

Maina: Buhari’s critics ‘extremely unreasonable’- Sagay
Nigerians criticized Buhari harshly when a dubious Maina was re-instated. But Sagay faulted the criticisms saying the critics were being unreasonable and only desperate to find fault in Mr. Buhari’s anti-corruption commitment. Exact words of Sagay below:
“Maina escaped out of this country under Jonathan. When he was sneaked back into the country, did Buhari know about it? The first time he knew he ordered that the man be dismissed and arrested. What more do you want him to say? I think people are extremely unreasonable.”

Dear Nbote,
Kindly point out what is unconstitutional about the words of Prof Sagay in the above scenario?... I ask again, are you sure you know the meaning of the word 'unconstitutional' or do you just assume anything which doesn't sit well with your political narrative is automatically 'unconstitutional?

Without Buhari, Nigeria may have ceased to exist - Sagay
In this scenario, Sagay said Nigeria was lucky to have elected Buhari as president in 2015 else things would have been terrible. Exact words of Prof Sagay below:
“If Buhari had not come, I don’t think there would have been a country,” “Zimbabwe would have been better.”

Once again dear Nbote, what is unconstitutional about these words of Prof Sagay?

Corruption: Reasons Why Buhari cannot touch Obasanjo or Jonathan – Sagay
On this scenario, Prof Sagay said the Nigerian system is still to weak and as things currently stand, it would be virtually impossible to prosecute a past president without it leading to chaos. Exact words of Prof Sagay below:

“Speaking from a peripheral level, unlike in South Africa, Brazil, and other countries, we don’t have a history or culture in this country of prosecuting our former presidents. It will take a long time, when we’ve developed and become more mature, to do that kind of thing. Right now, if you touch a former president, the storm that it will bring will be so diversionary and disturbing that it will affect your capacity to do positive things for the citizens. In my own thinking, you have to leave them alone and go for those who carried out the act of looting,”.

On media trials, he said this:
“I don’t agree with him. Noise should be made because you cannot reduce us to this level of poverty and wretchedness and think the government will continue to hide your name from the public. Even if a person has yet to be convicted, let them be subjected to the odium of public contempt so that when you see his child driving a Rolls Royce, you should be able to point at him and say, ‘That’s a car bought with our stolen treasury that you are driving.’ I support media trial; let the looters be tried in the press. If they feel there is anything wrong with it, let them sue the government; they have the right to sue if they didn’t steal.”

So Dear Nbote, once again I ask, how exactly does a man airing his opinion amount to breaking constitution or being unconstitutional?...

President Muhammadu Buhari is their main target – Sagay accuse political defectors
In this case, Sagay simply criticizes the recent defectors saying their ultimate plan is to bring Buhari down. He goes further by saying the defectors are like Malaria parasites that have bedeviled the APC for so long.

Oga Nbote, once again, how exactly is this case of Sagay airing his personal opinion unconstitutional?.. I ask for the last time, is it that you do not have a clue what the word 'unconstitutional' means?... What exactly is your level of education?... Or is our educational system really this bad in Nigeria that we no longer know the difference between white and black?

Nbote:
Dats d problem with most of d morons supporting d govt and PMB... Dey ask for facts U present it and den dey shift d goalposts... Dis same man claims d President has respect for rule of law but yet has flouted every court order dat has gone against it...

Is it those examples you put up there that you call facts?... And you think some people are morons for calling out your daftness?

Like seriously, Nigeria needs a state of emergency to be declared in its educational system.

cc: aribisala0:

Nbote:
Haaaaaaaaa!!! Sagay finally remembered d constitution!! Wonderful.. E b lyk Sagay has decamped oooo.. It was really painful for him to admit dis, he had to add "Arch betrayer" somewhere in d speech



https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/247584-maina-buharis-critics-extremely-unreasonable-sagay.html

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/212967-without-buhari-nigeria-may-ceased-exist-itse-sagay.html

https://www.tlt.com.ng/2018/07/27/president-muhammadu-buhari-is-their-main-target-sagay-accuse-political-defectors/

https://politicsngr.com/corruption-reasons-buhari-cannot-touch-obasanjo-jonathan-sagay/

And how exactly are all these examples you gave against the constitution?....

All the examples you gave are simply articles where he expressed political support for buhari. So if for instance, I say "buhari is a good man", how exactly is my personal opinion contrary to the constitution?... Abi English dey hard you bros?

Shegzy8:
Stupid BMC zombie,you just made your self look stupid ..imagine the so called leaders of tomorrow still in grid between there brain and emotion..the country you called up there are developed countries that doesn't depend solely on crude oil..tell me where all the so called countries there are still planning on building another refinery...we should be looking at how to diversify the economy and not been stagnant.

Am sure you didn't even read what I wrote well before saying I'm hating

Seriously?..... I reallly thought you were joking when you said it earlier that Nigeria shouldnt be building refineries because it should be diversifying.

Bros, your case strong oo... You've even shifted it to pdp vs apc realm?

Shegzy8:
Threat or no threat, we want the best for our dear country..I really don't know why a country in which its politicians promised to diversify the economy is still building a local refinery at this time and age...the world is moving on from oil and we are laying our foundation on that...

Seriously?... Please tell me you're joking?....

Nigeria consumes an average of 40 million litres of petrol daily and about 1.2 billion litres monthly and all of this is IMPORTED. But you think it is a bad idea for Nigeria to refine it's petroleum within its shores because we want to diversify?.....

The most ridiculous thing about this comment is that in few minutes, there are already over 5 'likers'

ijustdey:
https://punchng.com/dangote-oil-refinery-poses-threat-to-european-plants/

Like I've always said, whoever will be Nigeria's president from 2019 will be the luckiest president ever cos when the Dangote refinery comes on stream fully and Nigeria stops petroleum product imports (petroleum imports swallow over 60% of Nigeria's forex), the turn around effect on Nigeria's economy would be soooooo massive and the president and his supporters at the time would soak in all the glory.

Nbote:
Haaaaaaaaa!!! Sagay finally remembered d constitution!! Wonderful.. E b lyk Sagay has decamped oooo.. It was really painful for him to admit dis, he had to add "Arch betrayer" somewhere in d speech

Can you point out one single example of a time wben Sagay forgot the constitution?... Just 1 example please..

Seenyo:
unbelievable!... so this man can spit the truth for once? .....wonders shall never end.

OR IS HE ABOUT TO DECAMP TOO?

Oga you too... Kindly point out one single example of where Prof Sagay said one thing contrary to the law. Just 1.

judecares1:
Prof. Itse Sagay (SAN), Chairman of the Presidential Advisory Committee (PACAC) said Senate President Bukola Saraki can still keep his position as Senate President despite defecting to the Peoples Democratic Party ( PDP).



can you imagine a foolish statement? does the senate president only belong to APC?

This one obviously cannot read and cannot comprehend jack. But he thinks a professor of law, someome probably old enough to be his granddad is foolish. #NigerianYouth