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marvinsync:
guy u just said those miscreants were there b4 ipob . miscreants are miscreants

they cause trouble for reasons best known to them . ipob are not in any provable way related to them


and the Nigerian police said they were gonna arrest people breaking the law??

wtf? of course ur gonna arrest people breaking the law , it's ur job for Christ's sake why'd they need to announce that unless they weren't just announcing that.

and did u miss the part in the third paragraph where it said
" Galadanchi urged the residents to disregard the order and added that police would not allow such order to stand in the state."

or the part where they also said

"The Police commissioner said security agencies would begin “a show of force” in the state on Tuesday to send a warning signal to the IPOB members.
“We are ready to STOP the IPOB order; WE WILL NOT TOLERATE IT and I urged members of the public to go about their normal business."

Reading some of the responses in these ipob threads makes one begin to wonder if English language is so complex. Whenever ipob or massob gives these sit-at-home orders, overzealous miscreants among their ranks usually take laws into their hands to foment trouble by harassing innocent citizens who do not comply with the order. Like I said several times here, this has been happening from as far back as the massob days.

@marvinsync, I understand your desperation to dissociate IPOB from the activities of these urchins, but unfortunately, the fact remains that the perpetrators of these acts are IPOB members, IPOB adherents and IPOB foot soldiers; that is not to say however that they were sent on the errand by the IPOB high command.. Except you mean to tell me these guys who try to forcefully enforce the IPOB orders are OPC or bokoharam or ND Avengers or Ombatse cult members or some other unknown groups, then you're making no point.

Regarding the police order, the message by the police is clearly directed at these miscreants who intend to, and who usually harass innocent citizens in the guise of enforcing the IPOB order. By asking people to 'DISREGARD' the sit-at-home order, the police is simply asking people not to be afraid of going about their normal businesses if they so wish. If innocent people have never been harassed in the past, then the message by the police would have been unnecessary and meaningless.

And just to sum it up, there is no way the police would go after you or anyone who decides to sit peacefully in their homes.

enoconcernme:
Bros when it comes to the issue of prayer you are exaggerating

We had shops at Ogbete and New market and I have witnessed when Catholics call for their 12 noon devotion non-Catholics don't even get involved they just go about their normal businesses. No one has been labeled "ekwensu" or chased out of the market because of that. Please do not generalize ejoo.

To be honest we never had shops in Aba or Onitsha and I have never been in any of these market places (Aba and Onitsha) when they call for prayers so I can't say what exactly happen there. As for that of Enugu I am sure of what I am saying.

Let's assume you said that this was an inter-domination prayer by the market execos then if the rules says no one should open their store then that is the rule. In which case the issue will be is the rule acceptable in this age and time and if not why hasn't it changed? I have lived in the North as well and I know that during Friday prayers some highways are closed off by praying Muslims, Muslims and non-Muslims alike have to wait for the prayer to be over before they continue their journey.

I am not saying that in this age and time that such practices should be condone. But trying to paint the issue you claimed above as if it is peculiar to a section of the country knowing the "place" of religion in the lives of present day Nigeria is just an attempt to give a dog a bad name so as to hang it.

It all has to do with conforming to the culture/traditions/desires of your environment. In the north, when they do the final call for prayers on Fridays, everyone pauses for those minutes in solidarity and even roads are blocked. Similarly in some markets down south, when they call for prayers, everyone pauses in solidarity and joins the prayers. It's all about solidarity, it's all about unity, it's all about conforming to the desires of your immediate environment.

But the point in all these which I tried to impress on the dude who brought up the prayer example is that even though everyone joins in those prayers, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone is personally 'interested' in the prayers; no one just wants to be seen as a dissident. I really thought this was common knowledge, so I'm a bit confused at why it should be a matter of debate.

enoconcernme:
I asked for source you said all you have was testimonies and that I should take that as fact. I am of the opinion that your opinion or my opinion does not constitute as fact. That is the point bro!

What I told you is FACT, it wasn't assumed and it wasnt just a personal opinion. But then, it makes absolutely no difference if you choose to believe it or not; your belief or disbelief doesnt benefit me in any way, neither does it change a fact.

erico2k2:
I dnt agree with that.therr is a passion . We as individuals should recognise . I'm frm the ND if you tell people of my extract ie in PH or warri to sit at home trust me you will get reactions already online ie even on NL things like Nah U dey feed me.who you epp amongst other replies . .Can Jagaban tell anyone in Lagos to sit at home ? Without paying them?don't we know what will happen ?
As for the prayer bit . U r wrong again . They do This out of thier own heart not fear or favour . No one is going to call U names.I schooled in the East so learnt a lot from this unity .

Unity?.. Passion? Are you for real?.. You actually believe that when they call for prayers in market places, everyone who complies does so because the are devoted Christians who are united and passionate about the prayer?... Okay, I have no more words for you.

erico2k2:
Nah I dnt think so.who enforces the no trade during the prayer times then?
I'm saying this is one point these traders unite . .its not out of fear . I wish the rest of is can be this passionate about our own idealogy . Ie the Niger Dweltans . We could hold the FG of the day to account

Prayer is a different ball game bro; but even at that, you don't need to be told that it is not everyone who closes their shops to pray that actually wants to close their shop to pray. People do things just to conform to the desires of their environment; nobody wants to be labeled 'ekwensu' for not adhering to prayer times, same way nobody wants to be labeled 'Sabo' for disobeying sit at home orders. You should know this!

gidgiddy:
Very strange story. That millions of people decided to stay at home, shut their businesses, withdraw their Children from school and they did all this because of a few unarmed "miscreants" that the same millions of people can easily over power. Only a crazy person will actually believe this story.

Nobody want to be seen o perceived as 'Sabo'..... Okay you know what? You WIN! I'm really not about to spend my morning engaging in Ipob debates. Nice day ahead!

enoconcernme:
Okay chill bro!

First and foremost I have friends and families living in the east; among them are friends and families that are originally from the East as well as friends and families that are not Igbos but that are working, schooling and living in the East as well. In addition I spent the greater part of my living in Nigeria in the East followed by Northern Nigeria and SW/SS the least.

Yes at least once a week I do speak with a friend or family members that are residing in the East. I think telling someone that I can give them numbers to call does not suffice as evidence for me to make such a wide claim as you did.

Don't you think it is better to post a link or rather not make a wide claim about issues based on what you said are testimonies by people you know? Testimonies which we can't by any means verify, testimonies that might be something you concocted. In the absence of concrete evidence I think the safest thing to do is not pander one's opinion as fact.

I understand that no government would want to break up a country under their regime but that does not mean we as citizen should sit back and watch our government overstep the line of decency in an effort to keep our country together. This raises the questions at what point do we say, here is the line that can't be crossed ? From all indication it seems that that line as become blurred that our government could do whatever they want to achieve their aim. While those at the other side of the table will cheer and support eventually when the table turns those at the 'giving' side keeps pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable action to the detriment of those at the receiving end. And so does culture of oppression and counter-oppression being kept alive.

Okay what exactly is your point?... Can we please define what this argument is about?

"I said there's been established cases of traders being harassed by overzealous miscreant for daring to open their shops on supposed 'sit-at-home' days. This happened a far back as the days of MASSOB and it still happens currently."

If I'm getting you right, are you saying my above statement is FALSE?.. Is that your position?

enoconcernme:
For the sake of prosperity please can you send us links of the so called miscreants harassing people in the past? At this age and time documentation is necessary.

Secondly you shouldn't blame people that were 'boiling' over the report, for one the report was not explicit in terms of why the police is putting out the warning and that in itself opens it to different interpretation by all parties.

In addition, most Nigerian have apathy towards the police and that comes into play when judging the intentions of any police officer in Nigeria.

Please don't forget the source I asked for, thanks in advance.

What links or evidence do you want?... My source is directly from friends and relatives residing at Aba; do you want me to give you phone numbers?.... You can also call those you know to verify whether or not massob of old or the current ipob harrasses anyone. Do you really need special education or evidence to know that whenever things like this happen in Nigeria, miscreants always take advantage of the opportunity to harrass and even rob people? This isnt even restricted to ipob or the SE.

Meanwhile does it make any sense to you that the police would go about arresting people sitting in their houses?... Of course the warning is meant strictly for those who take laws into their hands to intimidate members of the public who choose to open their shops on such days.

gidgiddy:
This is the Lagos/Ibadan expressway media narrative of why people comply with IPOB sit at home. Unfortunately, this narrative falls flat on its face when one asks a simple question. Why would a majority be scared of a minority? Why would millions of people in several states be afraid of a few unarmed "miscreants"?
How can 75% of the people be afraid of the other 25%?

It makes no sense whatsoever that millions of people can be scared of a few unarmed people.

The truth is that most of the people are standing behind IPOB

Sensible people do things for the sake of peace; not every situation deserves a confrontation or a fight. If I hear or know some miscreants will take advantage of a 'sit at home order' to forment trouble on the streets, as a sensible person, I will sit at home and also ensure I keep even my kids out of school since it's just for a day. That's what sensible people do, it has nothing to do with a measure of strength. So your 75% vs 25% analogy is flat on the ground and pointless.

If for instance you hear that 2 raving lunatics with knives and bottles are on rampage at a nearby junction, that info is enough to keep thousands of people away from that spot. So does it necessarily mean that 2 people are greater than a thousand?... #CommonSense

hermesprogidy:
I don't get it. The police wants to arrest people for staying at home? Somebody please explain to me when sitting at home became a crime

Read through the tjread and you will get your answer... let me help you eith the post below:

Yyeske:
The problem here is that most people lack comprehension of simple English.
The police is not after anyone who wants to sit at home for 24 hours, a week, a month or a year or more but only after those who might want to prevent others from going about their lawful businesses.
We've had several sit-at-homes here but when and where have you heard that the police went about arresting people in their houses because they decided not to go out?

Kahujadekadura:
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Since over 75% do so out of coercion then let referendum speaks for them.

There is a laid down civilised process to get a referendum without disturbing piblic order; it starts with converting ipob into a political party and winning critical mass in parliament to drive home the point. That's how a referendum was gotten in civilised societies like Scotland and Catalonia (which certain ipob elements always cite as examples), and that was the reason an educated Ojukwu formed APGA.

A referendum isn't gotten by using miscreants, criminal and street urchins to go about harassing uninterested members of the public to comply with some autocratic orders as is always the case with massob and ipob.

The police has simply warned that if you do that (i.e. disrupting law and order and harassing people), you will be arrested and dealt with. I see a lot of people on this thread losing sleep over the warning of the police; do you mean to tell me that even these supposedly educated ipob members on this forum are also in support of the public disorder perpetrated by miscreants within your ranks?

marvinsync:
are these "miscreants" ipob?

like u said they existed even b4 ipob

if miscreants are causing trouble then the police should go after this miscreants and stop harassing ipob
or threatening to arrest ... who?
ipob or the people that stay at home ?
I'm not even sure anymore

IPOB gives a sit at home order,, miscreants go into markets harassing traders who dont comply with the order, but here you are, asking me if these miscreants/enforcers are IPOb members?... No they are fulani herdsmen.

Meanwhile, the message by the police did not say they were going to arrest anyone sitting at home; the message is obviously directed at the miscreants who would typically be out on the streets harrassing innocent law abiding citizens. It's a recurring trend which predates even ipob.

akelicious:
The Police Command in Imo State has vowed to arrest anybody breaking the law in compliance with the sit-at-home ordered by the outlawed Indigenous People of Biafra on Friday.....
[http://www.akelicious.net/2018/09/sit-at-home-order-police-speak-vow-to.html[/b]

The original report above clearly indicates that the warning is targeted at criminals bent on breaking the law. But obviously because of hatred for government, majority of people on this thread seems to have lost basic comprehension skills and are now in solidarity with the miscreants.

marvinsync:
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sabos?
wtf r u saying?

since when has ipob intimidated anyone to stay at home ? or when has it become by force?

u just making forced arguments to support ur stupid lifeless beliefs

In places like Aba, miscreants forcefully enforce these ipob orders. During sit at home orders, they harass traders who dont comply; this isnt even a new trend, it's been been happening as far back as the days of massob even before ipob was formed. If you aren't aware of this, you should go and find out instead of insulting people out of ignorance.

erico2k2:
Did you read the part where it says people should disregard the other to sit at home?Does it not sound like a Joke?

Over 75% of the people who obey these sit at home orders dont necessarily do so out of solidarity; rather they obey the orders out of fear of being harrassed by miscreants if they go out..

By asking people to "disrgard the sit at home" order, the police is simply saying people should not be scared of going about their normal businesses. How is that statement a joke?

TheAngry1:
He lost my respect when he denigrated the PACT process which he actively took part in...I would have still loved him to contest despite the 'loss', but he displayed a lack of INTEGRITY, TACT and COURTESY in his handling of the events that followed...he lost me...Good luck to him.

But these guys pulled out of PACT before the selection process. He did no wrong.

She actually looks 26; what exactly is the obsession of Nigerian youths with forcing old age on everyone?

Gullah:
Their own, indecent exposure is a crime under the law, that's why you will be arrested if you walk out of your house naked for instance. The making of the sex teape itself was not a crime but if they had shared the with themselves or with consenting adults then they may have been safe. Their only defence now is if they can prove that they weren't the one's who released it or that they didn't deliberately release it into the public domain

I understand the laws against indecent exposure but this is the part of the report that wasnt clear... Could it be there was a third person?

Angelanest:
...
The Ivorian socialites identified as BB Folita and her boyfriend,  Fernandez joli, were arrested by the police in Abidjan and placed in handcuffs and the person featured in the leaked sex tape filed a complaint. 
...
Source; https://www.nationalhelm.co/2018/09/bb-folita-and-fernandez-joli-arrested-over-sex-tape-video.html

Am I the only one who doesn't understand what he just read?... Did they release their own sextape or did they release nude videos of someone else?

TzPalo:
Okezie Ikpeazu has set a record in failure dat is bewildering to T A Orji .


Okezie ikpeazu is confused like

This is evil! How can anything in this world be worse than Ochendo?

"Nigeria would be exporting marijuana to countries where it will be used for medicinal purposes." - Sowore

Interpretation according to Nigerian reporters and bloggers:

"Founder of SaharaReporters, Omoyele Sowore has promised to legalize the usage of Marijuana if he is voted president come 2019."

Lol... Daura!.... No need to read through the comments on this thread

Nigeria has just survived an economic shock following the recent oil price slump and the recession and thw economy can only go in one direction presently (i.e. upwards). Several critical economy boosting infrastructures from power stations to railways to refineries are at advanced stages. A fact is that anyone (even PMB) who gets to power in 2019 would have it smooth with the economy; most especially when projects like the Dangote mega refinery and other modular refineries are brought on stream.

Whoever wins the presidency in 2019 would be a lucky chap, and would take all the glory.

achievers007:
Becomes black all of a sudden boooooom

And what was that on her leg?

Hanji:
Congrat in advance.
But am not understanding oo, are girls a special breed of chameleon?
Today they are dark 2mao they are lighskinned.
O lord pls save me from karashika

chiommy123:
e concern una that she is black today?
Congratulations my dear

Wilson1991:
I thought am the only one observing that,how sure she'sthe one

Funny there are many people who have no clue how lighting conditions when taking a picture can make a person appear darker or lighter. Very soon one blogger will call it bleaching; na the one wey Nigerians know.

Abba too?... This is like the 12th person claiming they were the ones who made GEJ concede.

4Play:
The IMF does not provide loans for infrastructure spending. IMF lending is to deal with emergency situations where a country is facing a balance of payments crisis and needs an infusion of foreign currency. These Chinese loans are not a substitute or alternative to IMF loans. The proper comparison would be with World Bank loans.

Thanks for the clarification.

stankezzy:
You can't compare chinese loans to western loan , Chinese loan is a welly packaged poison, forget about interest and enforcement , think about when u default or unable to pay , the west do nothing, they even have what they call debt relief or debt forgiveness which nigeria have benefited in during obasanjos time but chinese if u are unable to pay they take over your country, no mercy, go and ask Argentina, Philippines, costarica , Zimbabwe just to mention few , do u know that change of government in Zimbabwe was ordered by the Chinese , please don't drink a beautifully packaged poison, everything in this country must not be politics even when one is right

Why exactly should a person take a loan with the intention of not being able to payback?.... Why should a country take a loan with a preset mindset focused on debt relief in future?...Nothing ever goes for nothing! Not even the western loans are free; dont be swayed by the so called debt relief. Those western loans are still recouped through the backdoor indirectly through free access to resources and through kleptomaniac African leaders who still roundtrip the funds back.

Going by the experiences of African countries in the last decades with western loans, I think these Chinese loans are better as long as African leaders sit up, remain focused and learn to payback. If not for anything else, the Chinese arent giving physical cash to leaders, we can all see the physical infrastructure being financed by the loans.

SarcasticGenius:
I'm sorry but both the young man and his supporters are missing the point entirely. IMF loans at interest rates of 0.75 with conditionalities of cutting down overbloated bureaucracy is much better than the Chinese loan of 3% interest rate with absolutely no strings attached.

Mr Somoye and his boot lickers also overlooked the fact that one of the key conditionalities of IMF loans is that you must account for how you spend it otherwise they won't give you anymore loans.

The Chinese are giving loans WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS to our leaders and instead of being worried about this flagrant disregard for public accountability we are busy rubbishing the only person in the country who is speaking the truth.

You guys will suffer in the long run, mark my words.

The Chinese are giving your government loans WITH ABSOLUTELY NO CONDITIONS. A government that has no track record of accounting for how it spends money. That means that even if the money is embezzled, the Chinese don't give a hoot as long as they have laid a trap for you and enslaved you as a perpetual debtor. You should be weeping, but instead you are shining your teeth like village illiterates. A reality check is coming.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmafl8VW0AEU0q0.jpg

I think one point I've gathered from this argument is this; the Chinese give infrastructure and not money, and that already nullifies your argument.

You claim the IMF gives money and monitors what it's used for but the Chinese give without condition?... With all the IMF loans Nigeria and other African countries have received over the decades, how come we still struggle to point out the location of infrastructure these loans were used for?... Whereas on the other hand, the Chinese build infrastructure directly without handing cash over to our kleptomaniac leaders; in Nigeria today we can point out the functional Abuja to Kaduna rail, the Lagos to Ibadan rail, the negotiations for Mambilla are ongoing etc.

After so many decades of enriching klepto leaders who in turn return the stolen funds to western banks, it's amusing that we still have Nigerians who still BELIEVE the IMF actually cares about how the loans they give to Africa are spent.

Aonkuuse:
But where is the money, buhari keep saying there is no money, the government is broke. What has the governors done to this monies

duduade:
All we hear are billions and trillions... The investment of all these monies we are not seeing. Some people have just decided to make it their generational cake

Salaries of the overbloated civil service alone swallows the entire funds, and this is not to talk of the salaries for those in numerous government parastatals. Negotiations are currently in place to increase worker wages too, so that means even the figures tossed about is still nowhere near meeting just recurrent expenses of govt.

How can there be illegal structures around a runway?

Time for citizens of a certain shithole country to come educate us on how individuals in a far away land who chose to bang shitholes is the 'biggest' problem hindering national progress.

IYANGBALI:
Thank God he didn't dead

Bros this ur English is even capable of finishing him off

CharleyBright:
Isnt VP Oshibanjo a Pastor Christian in this govt?
Why would oshibanjo keep silent when a teenager is held captive in defense of the faith Oshibanjo says he preaches when all other non christian teenagers abducted were released?
Injustice only thrive when the Righteous keeps silence and endure.
Buhari woukd have ordered the entire Nigerian Army to go after Boko Haram if they had abducted and released all christians except muslim girl.
Oshibanjo no do well.

Osinbajo is not the C-in-C, so I wonder what else some people expect him to do besides talking. And of course, I'm sure it's only when he grabs a megaphone singing it along the streets like town criers, that's when some people would ackowledge he has spoken.