₦airaland Forum

BigIyanga:
In Previous years, CAPEX was above 30% when budget was about N4tn with exchange rate of less than N150. FG increased the budget by 50% and still pegged CAPEX at 30%..

Ministries were reduced by 50% and RECEX was still increased. Presidency budget went from N6.6bn in 2015 to N39bn in 2016. Most importantly, it's pure profligacy to borrow 60% of ur budget to finance recurring expenditure.

They still increased recurrent expenditure by 70%-chop money without commensurate increment in CAPEX They later told us that they would only implement 15% of the capital budget.

2: 30 out of 34 sub sectors of the economy are in decline as of Q4 last year, so 90% of the economy is in recession- Service to manufacturing.
3: Even though Naira has lost its value by over 150% under PMB, prices of good haven't gone by 100%, for instance, Abuja taxis still charge N300-500 per drop, so it can't be entirely blamed for recession.
Federal budget only accounts for about 5% of the aggregate GDP, to suggest that 5% of past fiscal policy brought this hardship to the country is pure fallacy.. If this present govt had steadied the ship, 95% of the economy would have gone into recession.
4: In last year's budged ,N500bn was allocated to special intervention fund for social programs with no ministry nor parastatal.. This kitchen cabinet money managed by GMB and his cronies.
5: Bloated cost of govt hasn't changed. Presidency budget was increaesd from N5.5tn in 2015 to N39bn in N2016. NASS allocation is more than the state budget of most states.
Ministries reduced by 50% thru merger, but cost running govt is higher, why?

Bia nwanna... I thought we were talking of the issue of savings by GEJ and your accusation that Amaechi was responsible for GEJ's zero will to save?... Last time I checked, that was what the discussion was all about but the way you've totally avoided that discussion as if it has leprosy and resorted to general criticism of govt is quite amusing.

Guess what? ... I agree with you, the govt is useless, but can we please focus on our first topic and conclude on the original argument before we divert to another topic?

VULCAN:
Had it been you bothered to read Sanusi's speech like I implored you you would have learnt a thing or two.

But apparently you have more experience running Nigeria's economy than he does

Its clear you an APC apologist cos they never accept a position different from their own. Jonathan is the reason why they couldn't achieve erection last night.

Indeed You are a very confused fellow.

I responded to your post wherein you said our problems are due to troubles in the oil sector. Emir Sanusi said its not so.

Now your ranting about foreign exchange as being the cause of our problems.

Are you schizophrenic? If not, make up your mind on what you feel is responsible for the economic downturn

And for the fact that you stupidly implied I know nothing of the subject matter despite not knowing me...

...My first degree was in Finance.

What was yours?

Mr man, I wasnt double speaking when I mentioned that lack of forex is the cause of the economic crisis. I shouldnt have to explain to you that the oil crisis is the cause of the forex scarcity, even a child on the streets knows this so I'm suprised a self acclaimed finance expert thinks I am 'changing stance' when I mention 'oil crisis' at one point and mention 'forex scarcity' at another instance. It's a pity, but if you do not know the relationship between the two, then I would be wasting my time trying to argue with you. I would assume you know better but only made the 'double speak' accusation just for the sake of arguments; so I would ignore that.

Regarding Sanusi's speech on GDP, I would attempt to break it down for you and I believe it should be simple to understand if you put political sentiments away (not every topic should be analysed politically). The fuel tank may be a tiny part of a car, but if it is punctured and the fluid leaks, the entire car would be grounded. Oil or the oil industry may make up only 15% of Nigeria's GDP, but this same oil supplies 93% of Nigeria's entire forex income. Remember Nigeria is pathetically an import dependent country that imports almost 100% of its energy (petrol and diesel)?.... Anything that affects the flow of forex, affects the exchange rate and the exchange rate influences the inflation rate and in all, the availability of forex influences every other part of Nigeria's GDP.

In essence, that tiny oil industry produces the life blood which drives every other sector of the country; kill the oil industry and watch as every other sector (which depends on that forex coming from the oil industry) withers away as is currently the case in Nigeria. Hence why several economic experts have always called for diversification of Nigeria's forex income source so the nation's life would stop being tied to just oil, oil and oil.

So a little advice, try and use your education better than just listening to the words of one economist (which you didnt even underatand) and moulding your opinions based on it. I dont have to be an economist or a finance specialist to understand this.

ephi123:
It wasn't necessary to read the comment trail. What he stated were very clear facts.

You say oil prices went down 50% with the resulting drop in revenue, agreed. Is that in any way proportional to a 600% jump in budget figures? Clearly not.

The previous government messed up, agreed. Let us focus on the actions of this current one, particularly their out of the roof borrowing (afterall they've been in power for 2 long harrowing years). This continuous blame game has been beaten to death.

And to even make matters worse, no one is seeing the impact of the ridiculous borrowing, people are suffering like there is no tomorrow, so where exactly has all the borrowed funds disappeared to?

Sorry dear, it's always necessary to read and understand the basis of an argument before joining to give your opinion. But you are forgiven, cos we all guilty of jumping into arguments without reading at one time or the other.

Secondly, budget figures can change for different reasons, there might be a need to fund a particular project and that could easily change the budget figure for a ministry or parastatal or the presidency (which includes EFCC, DSS etc). So saying the presidency budget changed from 6bn to 39bn without highlighting details of why, that's an empty diversionary comment.

Thirdly, the over the roof borrowing is simply because of the low government income. I just read a report which stated that only roughly 50% of monthly revenue target was achieved in January 2017, that explains the reason behind the wild borrowing to stay afloat. And yeah, it's still not enough, even when Nigeria was making all the billions from high oil prices, how many projects could government commission?... Yet you expect a miracle now when revenue is low?...

And lest I forget, the main reason behind the blame game is cos the incompetent thieving rogues who plundered the nation and exposed us to the current crisis still have the guts to shamelessly keep opening their smelly mouths to blame the current govt which is struggling without success to resuscitate the comatose economy they handed over. Most of the blame game you see is purely in RESPONSE to criticism coming from the very same old rogues. Just to clarify, the only reason I'm talking about GEJ now is cos the dude I quoted erroneously, provocatively and ignorantly quoted that GEJ wanted to save but that Amaechi and co stopped him from saving.

BigIyanga:
Revisionism at its best.
All the governors got 48% of the shared ECA and about 30 states arent able to pay salaries for monies they had already collected. Oshiomole had to be approved of a loan by GMB in spite of the fact the he was a governor 6years before GMB came on board.
Ogun state is one of the least financially stable states with a negative cash flow.
Imo state owes salary for 12months..in spite of collecting their fair share.. FG used parts of its savings to bailout these governors on a couple of occasions.
As per cost of running govt, presidency budget went from N6.6bn in 2015 to N39bn in 2016-a whopping 600%.
Budget deficit is about 31%.. This govt has accumulated more debt in 2years than the last 6yrs.

Revisionism at its best??... I challenge you to point out a single sentence which I wrote above which is wrong?

What you have attempted to do here with your response is diversionism at its best WORST. We're talking of the failure of the FG to save a dime at a time the nation enjoyed an unprecedented oil income boom, an indiscretion which more than anything, exposed Nigeria and left us devastatingly vulnerable to even the slightest fluctuation in value of the only commodity we export. You argued it was the trio of Amaechi/Fashola/Oshiomole that probably used fresh voodoo to hypnotize GEJ's into not saving a dime. I deflated your theory and drew your attention to the fact that the FG still retained bulk of the ECA funds (~52%) and could have easily saved it if at all there was any will to save.

Now instead of remaining focussed on the argument and addressing the core issue at had, your best response was to start mentioning names of some sleazy APC governors and quoting presidency budget?... How exactly does this your digression address the issues I pointed out?

Oshiomole taking a loan to work in his state, how exactly does that invalidate the fact that the last admin refused to save a dime and left Nigeria exposed to terrible economic weather?

You claim the current government has accumulated more debt in 2 years? Oh yes! and the reason for all that borrowing is very clear. Due to the crash in oil prices, there's been an over 50-60% drop in the revenue accruing into the nation's coffers and in order to checkmate the recessionary effects, the wisest thing to do is borrow money to fund CAPITAL projects. But the real question you should be asking is, the last government which enjoyed UNPRECEDENTED OIL INCOME EXPLOSION, for what reason exactly did they have to borrow all that they did? ...and for what reasons exactly did they have to deplete the nation's reserves/savings which they met even though Nigeria made far more money at the time?... We all recall that by February 2015, they had to borrow over $2 billion to offset RECURRENT expenditure including SALARIES. How do you explain that?

@ephi123
Did you even read through our comment trail before you got excited and jumped in to endorse his diversionary reply?... I doubt you did, cos I know you to be more objective than this.

I'm confused! dont know whether to laugh or to cry.

VULCAN:
Unfortunately for you Emir Sanusi knows otherwise as he stated in his intriguing speech
“Nigeria In Search Of New Growth model” which he gave in August 2016. Here is an excerpt below:

When I was governor of Central Bank, the economy was growing at 37%. The oil sector was not adding anything to GDP growth. The growth was coming from agriculture, services and trade, which is also very revealing. If we are now saying we are in a recession, because of the collapse in oil price, we are not being sincere.
You can’t be in recession, because a sector that is 15% of your GDP has declined. What happened to agriculture, trade, services and health?


The speech is loaded and I recommend you read and assimilate it instead of allowing propaganda control your thought processes. As long as people are still singing a song told them by APC propagandists, there is little hope.

It takes a lot to go researching for the truth in the midst of loud cacophony of lies. But unless you are BMC or a Zombie you will study for yourself and make up your own mind.

Are you aware that the chief cause of Nigeria's presently economic crisis is the dollar scarcity and its consequent effect on our exchange rate?

Are you aware that oil still accounts for about 93% of Nigeria's forex earnings?

Before you go out to make analysis based on complex GDP figures which you have no clue about, you should first try and educate yourself on the most basic economics.

BigIyanga:
You can never get it... folks like Amaechi,Fashola, and Oshiomole and co insisted on sharring the money. Every governor collected their share, but in 2015 snd 2016 Oshiomole and co went back to FG begging for a bailout. So the FG used part of its savings to bail out same governors that had collected the share of ECA

There were 36 governors who prevailed on the FG to release the part of the ECA money belonging to states in 2010. In the first instance, it is a lame and laughable defense to single out the only opposition governors you knew then (Amaechi/Fashola/Oshio) as the culprits, cos at the time up to 80% of governors were still in PDP.

Meanwhile, this agitation by the governors had been on since the days of OBJ and even your favorite governors (Amaechi/Fashola/Oshio) weren't even governors then. The governors back then actually took OBJ and Yaradua to court for this very reason, but since OBJ and Yaradua had the political will and wisdom to save, they bluntly declined the request and dribbled the governors.

Fast-forward to GEJ era, and he instantly yielded to the pressure and shared the money. Now why did GEJ yield so easily?...
1. He had zero political will to save anything. This was confirmed by Okonjo Iweala even though she later came out to deny her statement claiming that she was misunderstood
2. Whilst the agitation by the governors was still on, the FG under uncle Jona was caught red-handed pilfering billions from the said ECA funds which it was advising governors to save. After being caught, the FG lost the moral standing to keep withholding the funds from the states.
3. GEJ used the decision to share the money as political leverage to win the support of state governors in his 2011 election bid.

Another point to buttress No. 1 above, since you claim the governors are the ones who didnt want to save, if GEJ had the slightest will to save anything, how come he also squandered the FG's share of the ECA after the states had taken theirs?.... FYI, the FG's share was over 50% of the entire ECA fund (over $10 billion). How come Nigeria's forex reserves which were over $40 billion when GEJ took power was reduced to less than $30 billion at his handover even though he enjoyed far more forex income than all other Nigerian leaders (including Buhari) put together?... LAstly, how come Nigeria's debt profile grew astronomically in this same period even with the unprecedented forex income at the time?.... The Amaechi/Fashola/Oshio ate them too?

Meanwhile the money used to bailout states was only paid up by LNG after GEJ had left office, so it's meaningless to even allude that GEJ saved it; as at February 2015, GEJ was already borrowing to pay salaries and Iweala had already warned Nigerians to brace up for a wild storm.

LatestAmebo:
Kano State Governor says he is not bowing to blackmailers who said he was not working but sleeping. Governor Abdullahi Ganduje stated this during an interactive session with labour unions as part of May Day celebration at the Government House, Kano.‎


He said that his political opponents could not differentiate between sleeping and pretending.‎ “My opponents always complain that I sleep at public functions but I want them to try and differentiate between the two.


Political blackmail is not an issue to me because I am used to it and will continue to work for the good people of the state,” he said.‎


Source: http://www.latestamebonaija.com/2017/05/i-dont-sleep-at-public-functions-i-only.html

This statement just cracked my ribs

kikake:
Even poorer countries did not go into recesion.

Nigeria with huge oil revenues should have had no business going into recession.

Nigeria went into recession because of President Buhari's and APC's incompetence.

The time APC/Buhari took over govt in 2015, N265 was buying £1.

A year after Buhari/APC govt, N625 was buying £1.

Incompetence, Incompetence, Incompetence - Buhari/APC

VEry ignorant analysis, no offence.

Nigeria went into recession because its leaders refused to diversify its source of income away from only oil and because of Nigeria's inordinate lust for imported items (including every drop of petrol we use). In such situations, you will definitely be in trouble when something happens to your only source of forex income. Only saviour would be if you had forex savings (as wise leaders and nations do).

Nigeria's only saviour during the last major oil crash in 2008 was because smart leaders had saved over $60 billion in reserves (which was used to buffer the economy). In 2008, it cost Nigeria $20 billion to ensure we didnt fall into recession and that was despite the fact that the oil crash lasted roughly 6 months. The current oil crash has lasted over 2.5 years and the last admin (which received monumentally high income) didnt save a dime, rather they squandered every savings they met in their fraudulent 'transformational agenda' which didnt see any major roads of power plants or refineries being commissioned.

Only ignorant folks feel the biggest blame for the current economic crisis should go to the leader who took over when the crisis had already started.

lagosrd:
Good luck Jonathan said let us have a joint savings account for the future of our people. Those rogues said No. The debt obasanjo cleared is now been piled up again. All in the name of development. How on planet earth could a kilometer of road cos 1billion naira. Wasteful kleptomaniacs

Don't people even get embarrassed when they make these kind of statements in public?... WHo uses the words 'GEJ' and 'save' in the same sentence?... What kind of self deceit is this?...

GEJ wanted to save in a joint account, but he was busy siphoning money from the very account without knowledge of the governors.
GEJ wanted to save, yet after governors pulled out theirs from the shared account, GEJ squandered the FG's share which was over 50% of the total joint savings.
GEJ wanted to save, yet every other account where the FG saves money was run down completely during his tenure
GEJ wanted to save but after meeting insignificant public debt, he astronomically increased the nation's debt before leaving power (including borrowing to pay salaries in 2015).

And all of the above happened irrespective of the fact that his admin received the highest income, actually more than all other regimes put together.

9jasave:
but he doesn't need to lie...I use to like him but he really messed by the wrist watch and ikoyi flat issues

Well, I think he can be excused for the wristwatch issue, he may actually not be lying about owning that watch for 17 years, but he obviously concealed the fact that he's got other watches (maybe smaller watches).

Nowenuse:
Aside Osibanjo, i think Peter Obi is the most sellable Southern candidate for President.

I concur... Obi is even more experienced and trusted in leadership/administration than Osy.

PEter Obi still remains more credible than a multitude of southern politicians and leaders (past and present), and all the current 2019 presidential aspirants. Under the current circumstances considering the already known 2019 aspirants, I would gladly give my vote to Obi.

ChuzzyBlog:
Growing up as the daughter of a vulcanizer, she probably never thought she would be a graduate one day. Is she the first child of a vulcanizer to ever become a graduate? No...but what we see here is a young woman who is happy and proud of how far she's come in spite of her background.

SOURCE: http://www.chuzzyblog.com.ng/2017/05/adelere-victoria-daughter-of.html

LALASTICLALA, IJEBABE

Vulcanizers make pretty good money, more than many people sitting in offices claiming to do white collar jobs. The only issue is the lifestyle and personal perception. When a man sees himself as a mere vulcanizer, a nobody, a failure, and then starts living the hand-to-mouth lifestyle, having no savings etc, then thw mindset and perception of self becomes the real let-down.

Category1:
I don't know why Nigeria can't produce all these things.....
I watched the making of sugar on YouTube and this sugar is made from sugar cane.
Does it mean that we can't cultivate sugar canes and get all the machineries accessible for processing?

ayindejimmy:
I don't see imported sugar where I buy sugar o!

Is St lious or Dangote imported?

This man should say rich people are buying imported sugar

You would be shocked to know that all the sugar you consume in Nigeria are actually imported. Companies like Dangote and Flour Mills actually import the raw sugarcane extract and the only thing they do in Nigeria is process it, package it and then sell as Nigerian sugar. Huge shame!

But all that is changing now, dollar crisis and cbn's policy of releasing forex to only 'serious' businesses is now resetting the brain of these companies. Dangote and floir mills have recently set up massive sugarcane plantations in Nigeria to get their own extract locally.

Greatigbos:
why are this people so dumb

of all the problems hanging on Nigeria neck u guys only think of Nigeria jellof rice

what is even wrong with all this dumb people...like president like the vp....no direction

You who has a 'direction', where has that your so called 'direction' taken you in life?... And since when has having a sense of humour become dumbness or directionlessness? #Oversabi!

Lol... the book has already been shared like bread on Nairaland

"...nothing kills erection better than a good sermon."

nawtyme:
Ken, restructuring will not work in Nigeria. In as much as it will be the best, it will not work.
Who will draft the terms of restructuring?
What will happen if the North refuses the terms of restructuring?
Has the principle of federal character been obeyed in employment in Nigeria even if it's is a horrible scheme we are still not getting the quota allocated to us Eg current DSS recruitment.?
What was the outcome of of the several reports submitted by committees assigned to correct the inequality in the Nigerian polity?

Restructuring can very well work out in Nigeria and restructuring is far more achievable than outright secession. However, restructuring can only work if the southern block calls for it in unison.

I've heard so much about northern population and dominance in the national assembly, but in 2011, with all the support the core north (NW/NE) gave Buhari, he lost woefully (by over 10million votes) to GEJ and that was because the 3 southern zones and the middle-belt voted GEJ. Most of the the north-central/middle-beltans are equally sick and tired of the far north's domination, the Fulani invasion and annihilation of middle-belt communities also is a catalyst for this discontent, and the middle-belt would happily support a push for restructuring if and only if the south gets its act right.

In summary, just like the Kenyan anti-corruption activist Prof PLO Lumumba said, "Africa would get it right the day Nigeria gets it right." Similarly, restructuring in Nigeria can only be possible the day the southern block finally decides to suspend its differences and speak about restructuring with one voice (something which has never happened in Nigeria's history). Fact is, the hindrance to restructuring has never really been the north.

sirusX:
She just exposed him to the world

They have records of clients and he can be traced by Uber if they really have laws against that

Even when he pleaded, she still found a way to mess him up and ridicule him.

Fear some ladies

Well, she didnt expose his name or his number in the sms she posted... so there's no way UBER will kbow exactly which driver did it out of their thousands of drivers. Truth is, she actually appreciated the message and posting it on snapchat whilst trying to sound unimpressed is just a way these girls show off.

baddosky1:
I am not disputing the fact that Nigerians do drugs overseas but we need to get some things straight here...These Malaysians and Indonesians are actually beserk and angry about Nigerians and the huge successes they achieve in their home country.

The major business in Malaysia and Indonesia which Nigerians (esp the Igbos) do is textile business and they succeed more in it more than the indigenous people of Malaysia and Indonesia because these asians can put in the same man-power and hard work like the Igbos do.

Secondly, it is believed that their women love Nigerian men and dote over them to the chagrin of those "short-d*cked" Malaysian and Indonesian men and so the whole idea is...Allow the Igbos to come into Malaysia and Indonesia, when they do and record a lot of success in the business, have them arrested and tag them to drug dealing and (for those who like their women) under-aged sexual advances towards their girls under the age of 18 and finally 419...give them a sentence ranging from life-imprisonment to execution by firing-squad and VOILA!!...TAKE OVER THEIR MONEY AND BUSINESSES! A clear case of giving a dog a bad name just to kill it!

If the NOISE the Malaysian and Indonesian Government are making about drug issues concerning Nigerians in their country is a 100% true and is void of "Set-Up" and "Pre-Staged", why nor totally slam a ban against Nigerians coming into your country entirely? I just feel pity for the innocent Igbos who have been tagged drug dealers languishing in Malaysian Prisons.

You go to Malaysia, start doing business there and the Government taxes you plus the police asking you to pay huge remits every week and when you dare complain, they break into your home and put some cocaine and the next thing is having the police swarm your residence and you are whisked away!

Why haven't we been hearing about Nigerians in countries like Holland, France, Canada and even nearby Japan repeatedly arrested for drug related offences like malaysia and indonesia? I don't blame the Malaysian or Indonesian government, i blame those Igbo guys who won't learn and still find their way to those shyte-hole countries. RUBBISH!

Bro, there's no point denying reality, a lot of Nigerians have the get-rich-quick mentality and a lot of Nigerians are actually involved in these illicit trades and 419. Of course there are also a large number of us doing legitimate businesses and doing very well, but remember even a drop of paint can pollute the whole bucket of water; and may I add that the number of our people in Malaysia/Indonesia etc involved in 419 and drugs constitutes way more than just a drop of paint.

Forget you analogy about why Nigerians aren't being caught in developed countries like Holland, France, Canada and even nearby Japan, the fact is that if I wanted a 'safe' place to practice an illicit trade, I wouldn't dare go to those developed countries where I know I would be sniffed out instantly and jailed. There's a reason why most criminally minded people prefer the Malaysia/Indonesia/Thailand axis, and that's cos the undeveloped nature of those places gives them sanctuary. A shameful fact remains that an embarrassing number of our young guys based in those countries claiming to do business or study are actually crooks.

decatalyst:
What is inappropriate here? Because he is 'uber driver' shey?

geekybabe:
God bless u. Me i dont knw what is romantic about dat message

Conflict of interest I guess. I'm sure the UBER rules prohibit him from hitting on his fares, he's aware of the rules, hence his plea for her not to report.

And yeah, the text may not exactly be romantic to everyone, but a simple text like this could actually brighten someone's dull day out there.

Chaii... The dude had to beg for non-disclosure first

Thank God she didnt expose him.

timidapsin:
I came across these videos on facebook, The video entails 3 Nigerian men caught smuggling drugs in Malaysia

Watch videos below

Criminal 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNKCIwxoMo4

Criminal 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsblZC2XqOA

Criminal 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORirvfi0Res

I am very embarrassed

dragonking2:
Now you claimed that this was my statement but like i said, you didnt bother to know the genesis of the statement. You just jumped in trying so hard to defend your buddy but ended up dancing around in circles all this while.

You made a simple and clear statement which was obviously flawed, I stepped in to correct it. There is nothing wrong in that, I'm sorry.

Two things i have deduced from you. 1.You are very confused. 2. You are a big but bad liar.
Now, I have never made such comment on this thread stating to witness the bolded from him before the elections. This proves me right after all that comprehension is what you are missing here. Attached to this comment is my post (labeled 1) which you quoted. The first part which you LOLed is "If you check his omenka handle and check from 2013 backwards you will see that his was a loving chap like every other nairalander"[ . The second part of that post is Buhari has messed him up with hate, bile and bigotry which means he was twisted with hate, bile and bigotry for his blind support for buhari. No where did I ever mention on this thread that i witnessed tribal bigotry from him before the elections. Infact, provide the post where I stated this if you can. Am waiting for it.

Just like I pointed out earlier, a lot of people listen/read just to 'reply', they don't bother to comprehend before jumping to drop responses. Now go back to the origin of our argument and read through my comments again (slowly this time). I clearly agreed with your post about the dude being calm headed prior to 2015, and I rightly pointed out that his transition was due to the severe backlash he received from the venomous tongues of a multitude of angry jonathanians all because of his very vocal support for Buhari. I also pointed out how the angry plebs threw decorum to the wind and kept mocking victims of herdsmen attacks in Benue all because Benue chose to support Buhari over their Jonathan; they also made sure they mentioned his name whenever they penned down their foolishness. Those incidents were the genesis of his tirades and not your 'blind support for Buhari' theory. EoD

If you paid attention, you would have picked out that all I wanted was to deflate your 'Buhari Support' theory. But you kept dragging a simple clarification into pointless territories by asking for evidence and also bragging about having evidence.

We all know that he isnt berem nor oremusantus but it is assumed that he, berem and oremunsantus are matured when campaigning for their various candidates which only him has failed to show. As for the last bold, it is your opinion that Buhari wasnt at fault, also it is my opinion to say that Buhari is responsible for his breakdown. Everyone is free to have their own opinion, however, if you want to tell me mine is wrong then you have to back it up with proof. This has been mine stance and i still maintain it.

Everybody suffered backlash, you can't imagine what I go through till date in the hands of family and friends especially for being an easterner who strangely supported 'an enemy.' But then like I said, everyone is different in the way they react to these things; however it would be unwise for anyone to compare my case (or berem's) to omenka who was mocked by some fools whenever there was a tragic attack by herdsmen in his state.

2dugged:
what the op is going through happens in every marriage, after kids, couples become distant and put all energy into taking care of the kids. This time of marriage can be so complicated and scary and if not handled well just like the op,can lead to a breakup of the marriage. I am sure if we are to ask the op about the last time he had sex with his wife, he probably won't remember.
op, let me describe your situation ; a child is given a present for Christmas, he is so excited to unwrap the gift, upon unwrapping, he finds out it is the toy the always eyed at the mall, he plays with it all year till the toy finally packs up, he tosses it aside waiting for the next gift.
you might think you have found a new love,new passion and spark, but I doubt you will feel same way once the new lady has a child for you and starts to give more attention to the child, you will feel lost over again, same place, same feeling.The is the perfect time to tell you that the grass is never greener on the other side, and for someone who grew up in a polygamous home, I can confidently tell you that no matter how good people are,there will always be that division and bad blood between the siblings. A word they say is enough for the wise, I believe I have said more than a word here

Wisdom!

Hardeysolution:
Hummmmmm. ..42years?? ?? Ah! Pray Sir and don't cheat.. ..if you go to another lady, it's cheating.. ..if yo divorce her, it's wickedness, if you pray, you will be eased.. ....sir,do this!

Meanwhile, you don't care for her if you do, you'll love her.. ....please save your home!

Bolded part above is a very wrong assumption. Love is involuntary but caring for a person is a decision. A man might 'decide' to care for his wife and his kids because he's generally a caring person and/or cos he chose to do the right thing expected of a responsible person. But that doesnt automatically mean he loves her, love is a different ball game.

dragonking2:
To the first bolded, another dubious attempt to dodge the subject. If your comment was just a contribution you would have stated it a long time ago instead of peregrinating on this thread all along.

"Buhari has messed him up with hate, bile and bigotry."

The above was your original statement and my first comment was just to clarify your obviously erroneous assertion about 'Buhari' being responsible for his reactions (hence I termed it a contribution). You made a comment about his resort to bigotry and I pointed out the real reason he went that route, being the extreme backlash he suffered in the hands of deeply pained Jonathanians.

To the second bolded, I will remind you again that it is even dumber when you make statements without back up. You think when you post a screenshot i wont scrutinize or make my findings? You dont just barge in, make a sensitive "comment" and walk away without being challenged. You should know that, i believe that you aint a kid although am having second thoughts.

The joke is on you bro! The last time I checked, you were the one who made an accusing statement about witnessing tribal bigotry from him before the elections; I clearly told you I didnt witness any tribal bigotry before the elections. But instead of bringing up evidence to support your accusation, you've been dancing aroundin circles asking me (who keeps telling you I didnt witness any tribal bigotry) to provide evidence. So which evidence exactly do you want me to provide?... I'm still amused at how an acclaimed adult can't still figure out the dumbness of this his request even 24 hours after.

To the third bolded, it is a shame that you are trying so hard to avoid the truth. Berem did exactly what omenka did during the campaign period, at the end they both lashed out. Well like you said and which I agree, all human have different ways to respond to backlash, the sorry part is while others handled the situation maturely, your buddy omenka was childish while handling his.

To the final bolded, this statement is getting boring. He isnt the first neither will he be the last so this excuse is insignificant.

He isnt berem and neither is he oremusantus, so you wouldn't expect everyone to react the same way. But the only point I tried to straighten out was the meaninglessness of your claim that Buhari was responsible.

And here I was, thinking this sort of weird events only happen in Kenya.

malton:
GEJ is right to feel betrayed.

I probably would too if I were in his shoes.

But he's taking it too personal, blaming everyone but himself.

Like Sonala Olumhense rightly puts it, GEJ is the accused trying the judge in his own courtroom.

If you must be told in plain words, those Northern leaders are useless and cannot influence many people to vote for or against anyone. They aren't as influential as they made him believe.

Buhari lost against this same Jonathan in 2011. Do you think he did because the core Northerners voted for him against Buhari? Hell no! Buhari lost because both the Southwest and Middle Belt voted massively for GEJ. Make no mistake, these are some of the regions that vote based on stats only, and not out of sentiment.

In the end, what did these two regions get in return? Your guess is as good as mine. I don't mean this as in direct benefits; I do in the general sense.

As a Punch editorial by Olumhense puts it, GEJ lost because "His electoral campaigns were built on lies he never attempted to implement, he openly approved of corruption, and under his management Nigeria grew from poorly-managed to unmanageable."

If we faced the same situations again with the same players, I bet the same scenario would play out.

Nothing could be truer than this..

The very set of people (Jonathanians) who lament about APC playing the blame game, these people usually come up with the most ridiculous fors of blame games. Anyway, I we keep learning new things everyday; now I know it was the US, UK, France etc. that actually stood under the sun to vote GEJ out.

oshe11:
AND WE STILL NEED TO BORROW BEFORE PAYING WORKERS?




WHO IS FOOLING WHO?

Who is borrowing to pay salary?