₦airaland Forum

GerogeI:
The colonial era referred to anything around the Niger delta as Benen Kingdom. Even today, Geologist refers to most of the base rock under the Niger delta as Benin Formation. Simply because the British identified them as monarchies like themselves, and further hyped them, hoping to do with them what they did with the Emirs of the North

As a the time of the write up, when Olaudah was an accomplished adult, the borders and extent of Benen kingdom were still unknown as he stated clearly in his write up. So the broad use of Benen term at his time. Oluadah clearly identified himself as Eboe in his introduction, so his village was not in or part of Benin. But used Benin as the nearest location mark familiar to his audience of 17th century Christian in London. He goes on to describe in details how everyman was the highest authority in his own home- (an Igbo enshrine value system). He also spent entire paragraph on the similarity of his peoples culture with that of the Jews). Never in those descriptions did he mention any sort of reference or reverence to Benin. You can not rule a people in absentia. So like he said, Benin kingdom ( of which he knew as an adult) was probably too far as it had no influence in his village while he was a child.

If you followed his journey down to the seas, he was traded among people who spoke same language as him until he got to the sea. It's a shame, but it was Eboes that raided and kidnapped other Eboes as slaves, no outsider could have done it successfully as Reno Omokri claims. The British with their guns could not accomplish that talkless of Itsekiris.

Stop shifting the goal posts.

Equiano himself said his village is in one of the provinces of the Bini Empire.

Empires consist of many ethnic groups and the Benin Empire consist of Yorubas in the West, Edos in the Central and Igbos to the East. There's no shame in admitting the facts of history.

Gambit23:
Arogbo ijaw oil d crude oil in indo.

There's no drop of crude oil in Yoruba land

Arogbo Ijaw is NOT an oil producing community.

discusant:
President from north after Buhari we know. Not Tinubu. E go happen for una korokoro eyes.

Field BAT as APC presidential candidate, PDP shall field a Moslem northerner as presidential candidate.
Election day, about 90% of northern voters - from Benue to Borno and to Sokoto - shall vote the PDP candidate from the north. Only SW shall vote BAT.
Buhari's successor emerges from the north.

Most shophistiwretched lot. After OBJ and Shonekan from the SW, una no consider the SE worthy to benefit from rotation. In your own dictionary of roation of Nigeria's presidency between the north and south
of Nigeria, rotation between north and south for you people means rotation of the presidency between north and Yoruba.

Good. I think you should be happy with this news because it will help you to achieve your political agenda.

JUHABACH:
I don't often comment here. honestly don't care what geographical region the next president will come from. all I can say is that if Tinubu is really the best we can offer at this critical period of our history, then this country deserves to remain a 3rd world nation.

Tinubu is just an APC man. You can support Atiku or younger and 21st century candidates like Sowore for President or Prof Kingsley Moghalu

candidbabe:
We are crying that 80 year old buhari cannot do anything other than traveling round the world for medical check-ups,

You want to bring tinubu buhari age mate to come and become president in 2023?
Who did this to Nigerians?

All Nigerian evil politicians shall never escape the wrath of the Almighty God.

Support Sowore for President in 2023.

Arda1000:
dude you don’t even know what a tribal mark stands for,Let me just break it down to your level,Igbo don’t have tribal marks,we do have spiritual marks given to some few people because of circumstance like someone who is suspected to be an ogbanje or ichi mark are just spiritual we are not into scarification ones body,we have many more marks but it’s not something you are forced to do,most of them are being marked when the person have reached adulthood ,and these two marks are pretty much going extinct,I have never heard or seen where we mark for tribal or body beautification which is what tribal marks stands for, my brother who is deaf lives in Lagos(I know American Sign Language but due to,lack of any means in it to describe one’s Ethnicity you have to create one for easy communication) if he wants to describe an Hausa in our conversation he will simply use his finger to draw a line around his chin because that’s where Hausa like marking themselves automatically I know he his referring to Hausa People same applies to Yoruba,he indicates that my drawing a long line across his cheek,so don’t take it personally ok,we don’t have issues with us having a tribal mark in our history but u guys are making it look like a big deal and force it down our throats,both ichi(which I have never seen before) and ogbanje marks bearers are very very small to be considered a tribal mark,you and your stewpid Reno can choke on lies and propaganda

All these are unnecessary diversion.

Virtually all African tribes including the igbos had tribal marks in the PAST.

Born2Breed:
Reno has soft pedal. In his previous post, he was trying to attribute so much to the Itsekiris.

The Itsekiris were traders, they buy and sell to those in the hinterland, buying slaves and selling to the Portuguese is understandable but they NEVER fought a war and captured slaves, they were under the protection of the Benin Empire.

The Igbos were never a united kingdom, attacking and capturing them were as easy as picking stones from beans.

You and Reno are saying the same thing.

Reno never said the Itshekiris conquered Igbos.

GerogeI:
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" That part of Africa, known by the name of Guinea, to which the trade for slaves is carried on, extends along the coast above 3400 miles, from the Senegal to Angola, and includes a variety of kingdoms. Of these the most considerable is the kingdom of Benen, both as to extent and wealth, the richness and cultivation of the soil, the power of its king, and the number and warlike disposition of the inhabitants. It is situated nearly under the line, and extends along the coast about 170 miles, but runs back into the interior part of Africa to a distance hitherto I believe unexplored by any traveller; and seems only terminated at length by the empire of Abyssinia, near 1500 miles from its beginning. This kingdom is divided into many provinces or districts: in one of the most remote and fertile of which. called Eboe, I was born, in the year 1745, in a charming fruitful vale, named Essaka. The distance of this province from the capital of Benin and the sea coast must be very considerable; for I had never heard of white men or Europeans, nor of the sea: and our subjection to the king of Benin was little more than nominal; for every transaction of the government, as far as my slender observation extended, was conducted by the chiefs or elders of the place. The manners and government of a people who have little commerce with other countries are generally very simple; and the history of what passes in one family or village may serve as a specimen of a nation. "

The Benin kingdom had little or no influence on Oluadah Equiano's village. If his people were being taken as slaves by Benin, won't he know Benin or Benen as he writes prior to enslavement. Won't his people be paying tribute to almighty Benin?

But he said his village is in a province of Bini Empire called 'Eboe'

The day to day affairs of the village were in the hands of the locals (autonomy). The Authority will only collect tributes once in a year from the Village rulers and not from kids like Equinno

Ojiofor:
Is there any tribe in Nigeria that were not sold as slaves?
BTW,So now you and Reno agreed that Anioma people are Igbos because it suits your narrative today.

What exactly brought Anioma into this discussion and concern me with Anioma being Igbo, Nupe or Tiv?

Ofodirinwa:
show me an example in the past 100 years of someone blocking a river. Even in a time of war.
I'm talking about countries that are capable, not a beans and garri Nigeria.

The US went to war with landlocked Iraq. Show me the blocked river.
The US went to war with landlocked Afghanistan, Show me the blocked river.
It is like saying you will block my door with your body so I can't enter my house. I will just get one kin stop and jakapka that your dry head.

If this is the case, then why do Biafran agitators complain daily about Nigeria effecting a blockade of Warri leading to starvation of millions of Biafrans?

Ojiofor:
IPOB boys will mess him up if continues.

He has the mumu button of the IPOB boyz

Ojiofor:
Good for him but he seems to be kinda obsessed with ndi Igbo.He should mind the business of his ethnic group for once.

If he mind his business, how will he remain in trending news?

hammerDK:
Edionwere almost sound igbo.

Oka in Igbo also means 1st or Bigger.

Ogbe is igbo.


Ugbo is igbo.


Your language is Igbo mixed with yoruba.


U cannot make a sentence without an igbo word in it.

Both Yoruba and Igbo languages met in Benin

EMMY76:
Empires that were all conquered by ojukwu and his men in one day till date it's on record that it's only ojukwu and the British that have conquered the bini empire and all the other tribes in the niger delta.

What's your level of education?
Was there Bini Empire in 1967 when Ojukwu invaded Mid-Western Region?

theTranscriber:
Igodomigodo people are not Igbo
No dey claim nonsense

He partly right and partly wrong.

All the peoples from Western border of S/West to Edo State to Igboland were related in the distant past.

Walkee:
so? How does that make it more Igbo than Esan.
Ogbe means fence while ogbẹ means someone very important.
These linguistics similarities were mainly as a result of Edos activities in those regions.
Idumota is an esan word lekki is from the esan word for market, Eki, Idumagbo is an esan word. There are other parts of Lagos with Benin and etsako names.
The general name of Lagos, Eko is an esan word for settlement.

And Edo is a Japanese word.

Ojiofor:
Good for idiots who goes about looking for Igbo sounding names to claim as a relative.
Btw,Reno himself might still be one of the so called slaves just like Asari Dokubo whose great grandfather was a slave.

Reno is a direct descendant of Ogiame Atuwatse-1, the 7th Olu Itsekiri.

melodyogonna:
You probably don't know but conquering a people don't mean you enslaved them. What happens is that you impose a ruler and make them part of your empire, when they have enough firepower they fight back and overthrow the ruler you imposed. Slaves are taken during raids or immediately after the conquest by soldiers, they're usually the ones that fought in the battle against the invaders or the first people the invading army laid hands on. My point? Because a section of say ... Ika was ruled by Bini does not mean they were slaves.

Thank you sir for schooling these people on Nairaland.

Ojiofor:
So why did you agree with Reno that Ishekiri or whatever enslaved Igbos?

Did you read and understand both posts well?

1) Were the people we now known as Igbos sold as slaves during the slave trade?

2) How did these slaves got to slave ports at Escravos and Forcardos?

Most of the slaves during the slave trade era were captives of inter communal warfares.

Ariani:
Of course it's Agbor and Igbanke and related groups who we collectively call Ikas today.

The typical Ika man still have a slavish attitude towards Bini.
You see their Kings going to Oba Bini palace to prostrate once crowned.
It's a generational Stockholm syndrome thing.

Read this book to get more insight.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://people.bu.edu/manfredi/Iduuwe.History.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiB4tz1-_bxAhVOTsAKHS1jCGUQFnoECAoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Dg3REcjIMmYaj8dwR77qm

Reno is an attention seeker, he knew if he used Ika and Ndokwa/Ukwuani Instead of Igbo, he wouldn't generate traffic and attention he is currently getting.

It's really not about slave-masters relationship but father-son relationship.

After the conquests of some communities, the Bini Warrior kings like Oba Ewuare the great installed their sons as the kings of these towns, so the reign dynasties in these towns are descendants of Bini princes.

Ojiofor:
They might have enslaved some Igbanke and Agbor people who are their neighbours since there was nothing like Igbo nation then.
Or did Oba of Bini cross River Niger to kidnap slaves? They should specify were their slaves came from since by your own words there was nothing like Igbo nation then.

It's tempting but misleading to judge certain historical events by the contemporary standards.

1) The wars and it's attending slave raiding were conducted between political units e.g Bini Kingdom Vs Ogwashikwu, Agbor Vs Bomadi etc

2) The battles were NOT fought between ethnic groups.

3) The ethnic groups as we now know them were classified by the British Colonial Masters around 1900.

EraseTheDot:
Nigeria tribes who sold ibos off as slaves

1. Igala
2.Calabar
3.Ijaws
4.Benin
5.Itshekiri

-erase the dot

But this is plain childish.

Ariani:
I think instead of drag this Reno.
Ndiigbo should force him to come clean with the people he labelled "Igbo" in that his statement.
I'm very sure he is speaking of Ika and Ndokwa/Ukwuani groups still suffering from Bini Stockholm syndrome.
Once we establish that he is talking about Ndokwa Ukwuani/Ika, we can rightly strip these groups of the false Igbo tag Reno labelled them and hand them over to their Bini overlords to go and argue these things out Biko.

This shouldn't be our battle.

Reno was being mischievous using "Igbo" while avoiding the use of right tags of Ika or Ukwuani/Ndokwa.

I don't see any business between Igbo man and Itsekiris. We are not neighbors and had little or no known interactions.

If the last statement is true, what is the basis of IPOB and many Igbo irredentists online claiming itshekiris as parts of their Biafra?

Ojiofor:
Reno have gone mad.That you owned some few slaves of Igbo origin does not mean that you enslaved the Igbo nation.No tribe ever conquered Igboland or enslaved ndi Igbo in their homeland.

What Reno Omokri said was true as at the time of the slave trade.


There was nothing like Igbo Nation then but there were Igbo people living in clans and villages which made it easy for Bini Armies to raid these villages for slaves.

Infact, 200 years ago the word for slaves in many parts of the Bini Empire was 'Igbon' referring to non-edo peoples from the bush which were regularly raided for slavery.

[quote author=1000Capacity post=103887779][/quote]Eeyah. The guy has even married an Indonesian woman and had a half cast daughter but was cut short in his prime!

I feel for him.

zhike:
Why do you include shit on your statement.
Learn to community kindly, there is no need to fight with me. I don’t know you and you don’t know me.

That is why I believe that demons took over your life. Normally human being will not behave like the way you do.

You don't understand him. He is a Nigerian living in Nigeria.

Most Nigerians are aggressive and freely insultive while debating issues on social media.

Igboid:
Itsekiri don't speak Yoruba. Stop it already.
Their language is Yoruboid but they have at no point in history identified as Yorubas, they have always been distinct. Stop being mischievous .
There is no single colonial census in Nigeria where Itsekiri were counted as Yorubas. They have always been a distinct group.
And for all its Worth, Itsekiri became a part of Midwest region by referendum. They voted alongside other minorities to leave Western region.
They were not carved out of Western region by a military fiat.

In fact certain parts of Delta state that were oil rich were ceded to Ondo state during these boundary adjustments .

What is the name of the parts of Delta State that was ceded to Ondo State and in which years was this done?

Ikea81:
Good, finally one Nigerian who thinks. God fire anybody that calls Tinubu

2023: Okonjo-Iweala will defeat Atiku and Tambuwal in the PDP presidential primaries.

Juliusmalema:
Abaribe....

Now Ikpeazu.... People from here have something in common sentiments.

No wonder Nnamdi is misbehaving..

Soon orji Uzor kalu
Chinedum orji including his father go wear their own Dot Nation...

If this energy can be translated into good governance then I will say it is worth it but it is just built on stupid sentiments..

Ndi ala

Onye Ndorodoro ndi dot

redsun:
What does Cubana do? What are his lines of business?

He runs night clubs in Lagos and Abuja.

Quality20:
from d names, u sure say these ones no be ur fellow southerners?

They are most likely from Zuru Emirate in Kebbi State. About half of Zuru are Christians and their ladies like to bear Old Testament Names especially the Hausa version of such names such as Rahila (Rachael), Hannatu (Hannah) etc

Masturbator2020:
This your mentality of you must not investigate someone's wealth is why we have so many evil in name of money in Nigeria. It is not a crime to ask what's someone source of income..You need a paradigm shift in you reasoning

They will start calling you Afonja and accuse you of envy/hatred.