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Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod): 10:06am On Feb 12, 2018
Mbcastrol:
I don't want to deviate from the topic at hand but have any atheist experience black Voodoo in any form?
If you don't believe in the EXISTENCE of God, what about the gods of your various villages ?
Do Witches & Wizards Exist? I Don't Think So!
RomanceRe: How Would U Know Ur Wife Is Sweeter If U Don't Do Me? My Hubby Shared This.. by Seun(mod): 9:12am On Feb 12, 2018
Why should a married man visit a bar to drink alone after work instead of going home?
Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod): 9:07am On Feb 12, 2018
@awesomeJ, can you post the final evidence that you have? The one that you consider to be personal to me? The most powerful one? Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod): 8:26pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:
On my primary mission, I'm waiting on your Go-ahead.
On not being religious, ....
You have failed to answer the question. Before moving on, can we all agree that you don’t have any good reason for not being ready to accept Islam as being true if a Muslim gave you the same testimonies that you want me/atheists to accept as evidence for the truth of Christianity?
Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod): 7:27pm On Feb 11, 2018
@awesomeJ, have you given up on your primary mission? You said these powerful testimonies you’ve shared with me wouldn’t convert you to Islam because “you are not religious”, etc. Please explain it to me like I’m five.
Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod): 6:55pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ post[quote author=awesomeJ:
And about a Muslim sharing that with me. I'll definitely believe him if he said he experienced it, but I won't change to Islam because I'm not even religious to begin with. I live by Faith, it's a different experience from being religious-at least by my definition.
I understand that you won’t convert to Islam, which, as darkchild64 said, begs the question of why you think that people ought to accept these testimonies as evidence that Christianity is true. Sadly, I don’t understand the reason you gave. Can you explain it more clearly?
RomanceRe: My Fiancée Is 7 Years Older Than Me by Seun(mod): 6:30pm On Feb 11, 2018
nowpresence:
what nonsense
There’s nothing wrong with the age gap, but late pregnancies are problematic. If he wants to have kids with the lady, he needs to get to work!
Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod): 6:16pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:
First he didn't mention that he prayed in the instance of the first wife.
Pentecostal Christians pray about almost everything in their lives. There is no way that he didn’t pray for his wife to deliver the baby safely.

Even if he did, we don't claim as christians that every prayer gets answered.
If just 5% of prayers got answered, pentecostal Christians would be doing so well that most atheists would quickly convert to Christianity.

I know you also have reasons which explain why the third testimony is also purely of luck. please share those reasons. I have an interest in seeing just how good you are at twisting super obvious facts around.
I will do that when you tell us whether or not you would convert to Islam if a Muslim gave almost identical testimonies as evidence for Islam.
Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod):
awesomeJ:
2. Next out was this grandma. She has two daughters who were pregnant last year. Based on Doctors' stuffs, they told them that both daughters could only deliver via caeserean Section, and there was only a 50%/survival chance for one of them. She came one day to the church to clean up the auditorium with all the strength in her, and in January, both daughters delivered "safely". She however didn't mention if there was any CS though, but I guess "without CS" what she meant by the testimony.
1. If it was without CS, she would have mentioned it. Testimony givers always highlight the details that would make their stories impressive.
2. There was a 50% chance of a safe delivery, which is high. and the doctor may even have exaggerated the risk to manage expectations.
3. The idea that her daughter's safe delivery had anything to do with her decision to sweep the church auditorium is only worthy of ridicule.
Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod): 5:45pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:
Perhaps I should start with today's testimonies.
Here’s the problem with testimonies. They suffer from selection bias. When people experience bad luck, they don’t give testimonies, but when they experience good luck, they give testimonies. That gives listeners the impression that more good things are happening to the brethren.

If you told us the story of your life, mentioning only the positive things you have experienced, we would be envious of your good fortune.
However, if you mentioned only your negative experiences, we would think you were the most pathetic loser in the world. See what I mean?

1. The first guy was driving in the estate on Mon Jan 29th, and as he drove past the church, he felt an urge within him if to just stop by the church to pray. So he went in, prayed his heart out, and didn't mind whoever else was there with him in the auditorium. Thereafter, he drove straight to the hospital where his wife had been since Sunday Jan 28th due to prolonged labour. About 2 hours after he arrived, the wife delivered safely...

Then he added this: "If you had not seen a terror before, you would wonder why people feared one"...sort of " exactly eight years ago, I got married to my first wife, and exactly 6 years ago, she was ready to deliver our first child, she had this same prolonged labour, and she and the baby were lost to it"

Turned out that was his first time in the Church.
The urge to pray in a church and cry to God was not mysterious. It is normal for a Christian who thinks his wife will die to do such things.

The successful delivery of his second wife was to be expected, since most deliveries are successful. The fact that he lost his first wife and child in childbirth makes the story even less impressive to me, because he would have taken more precautions e.g. getting her admitted at a better hospital. It also made me wonder why his miracle-working God didn’t answer his prayers when his first wife and child died on the same day.

The fact that both wives had difficult deliveries may be a coincidence. It may also be that he is a large man attracted to small-sized women.

Suppose a Muslim told you the same story you just told us, only replacing words like ‘church’ with ‘mosque’, etc. Would you convert to Islam?
Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod): 3:28pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:
Why judge it, when we've barely even started. I told you I hope it'll just be less than 5 pages. could even be 2.
If you have evidence, present it here in one post, and it will be judged by all the atheists on this section, including me, if time permits. Cheers.
Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod): 3:20pm On Feb 11, 2018
awesomeJ:
Alright then, welcome.

These are some things you should know about the evidence:

1. It will be something that you'll experience. Remember I once mentioned that your faith in God, and as well the proof you have of His existence can only be based on what you experience.

2. It will cost you.

3. It will bear semblance with the experience of Nebuchadnezzar, as well as Elijah on mount Carmel.

4. Before we float it, we'll both agree on certain details about it.

5. I will first share with you some people's testimonies from today's service, which I expect you to question. But if they rather convince you enough, then I won't proceed with the other one that'll cost you.
You on?
I hereby reject these terms. The last thing I need right now is a distraction. Thanks a million. Feel free to offer your game to others.
Christianity EtcRe: Seun, Finally I Want To Give You An Undeniable Proof of God's Existence. by Seun(mod): 3:08pm On Feb 11, 2018
@awesomeJ: Okay. I can’t wait to look into your persuasive and objective evidence.
RomanceRe: My Fiancée Is 7 Years Older Than Me by Seun(mod):
You need to get her pregnant a.s.a.p, and marry her before the pregnancy starts showing. tongue
Christianity EtcRe: Is Cain Still Alive? by Seun(mod): 2:16pm On Feb 11, 2018
You’ve been watching the Lucifer TV show, right? Cain would have died of the health complications of old age if he actually existed.
PoliticsRe: Dearest Seun Please save Nairaland by Seun(mod): 4:14pm On Feb 10, 2018
Your advice will be duly considered. Thanks for sharing.
AgricultureRe: Charcoal For Sale @ Cheaper Rate by Seun(mod): 2:48pm On Feb 10, 2018
Please, just for info, how much is the cost of a bag of charcoal?
AgricultureRe: Ostrich For Sale!!! by Seun(mod): 2:44pm On Feb 10, 2018
Wow, N480k is a lot of money for these little chicks. What is a full grown ostrich worth?
Christianity EtcRe: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by Seun(mod):
awesomeJ:
You wear a cologne, and you begin to smell nice, someone then asks how are you sure the nice smell is from the cologne?
The fact that you performed an action before an outcome happened doesn’t mean the action caused the outcome. Every morning I wake up, and the sun rises within the hour. That does not mean that my waking up causes the sun to rise. Hope you get that?

Let’s say that there was a time when you didn’t pay tithes and you were poorer. And currently you pay tithes and feel that you are richer. You have to consider all the factors before concluding that the tithes are responsible.

(But first, you need to ascertain that you are actually making more money now. If your salary was 100k after tax, and now it is 111k before tithe, the amount you get to spend is exactly the same as before, so you have not actually been blessed. On top of that, you also have to consider inflation, which is quite high in Nigeria. Your salary could have doubled over the years without any increase in your purchasing power.)

Let’s suppose that after all those calculations, you have determined that there has been an increase in your purchasing power. You have to first consider natural things that could have led to that outcome such as getting a (better) job or being promoted, marrying a rich person, starting a successful business, etc.

I can guarantee that you would find a couple of those things. Having found them, it makes no sense to credit tithing. Crediting tithing for your blessings after getting a more lucrative job is like crediting praise worship for your good smell after using a cologne which can be clearly demonstrated to be responsible for the smell.
Christianity EtcRe: How I Was Informed Of Oyedepo’s Wife Death, Adeboye Reveals by Seun(mod):
spartan117:
You can't understand spiritual things because you have not been enabled to.
How can we distinguish between spiritual things, which can’t be understood logically,
and arrant nonsense, which also cannot be understood logically?
Christianity EtcRe: How I Was Informed Of Oyedepo’s Wife Death, Adeboye Reveals by Seun(mod):
spartan117:
It's astonishing that you think Christians don't use logic maybe it's from your interactions with a few Christians who lack knowledge.
The most successful Christians are those who compartmentalize their religion from their work. So at work, they rely on logic for most of their important decisions. The most successful religious country (USA) is the one that has strict separation between church and state in its constitution, so that most civil and legal decisions are made based on logical reasoning. So yes, Christians use logic too, and it works for them in the areas of their lives in which they choose to use it. If all that outspoken atheists can achieve is to persuade religious people to use logic in more areas of life, it’s totally worth it.

However need I remind you that the Jews one of the most religious people on the planet have contributed the most to every aspect of science
Jews are not very religious. A Gallup survey in 2015 determined that 65 percent of Israelis say they are either "not religious" or "convinced atheists", while 30 percent say they are "religious" Source (Wikipedia)

countless other Christians around the globe have made scientific breakthroughs ... But we Christians who are spiritually minded know that there is a limit to what science can achieve. When we are confronted with a seemingly impossible challenge we know that there is a higher life we are called to live and in there is the solution to the challenge we face.
This attitude is one of the reasons why religious thinking is so damaging. When Christians can’t easily figure out the solutions to their problems, they switch off their brains and turn to God. Instead of just doing more research, reaching out to human experts who may know better, and persevering in brainstorming until they figure out the solution, they start praying and fasting, which is totally unproductive.

As long as we don’t understand that our hardest problems (e.g the herdsmen attacks, corruption, terrorism, poor healthcare, insecurity, etc) will not be solved until we come up with comprehensive solutions and implement them effectively, we will continue implementing half-baked solutions and hoping that our supporting prayers will make them work.
Christianity EtcRe: How I Was Informed Of Oyedepo’s Wife Death, Adeboye Reveals by Seun(mod): 9:06am On Feb 10, 2018
spartan117:
There will come a time in your life when all your logic and rationalisations will fail you. All that will be left for you to do is believe in God for a miracle. Until then.
Countries in which most people rely on logic and evidence are far more successful than countries in which most people rely on God and miracles
Christianity EtcRe: "I Don't Pay Tithes To Winners Chapel Anymore" - Lady; Daddy Freeze Reacts by Seun(mod):
NollywoodFreak:
The Devil is trying to put the body of Christ against each-other but God pass them. We will overcome.
You must be the Devil’s personal assistant because you know all about his plans. Please upload some of his powerpoints. tongue
CelebritiesRe: Ebony Reigns Dies In Car Accident. Graphic Photos From Accident Scene by Seun(mod): 4:19pm On Feb 09, 2018
Buterflylion:
About a month ago I read about and watched a video made by a popular Ghanaian gospel singer Pastor Joe Beecham a man who has been praising and worshipping God for years declare that God wants to use Ebony and that she should give her life to Christ and use her voice for him. He even said he wanted to write a gospel song for her and was begging her to give her life to Christ so as to save her soul and the destinies of many whom she has misled. This was in January. ..... Fast forward to February 8th ebony reigns dies suddenly via a terrible car accident.

If anyone had told her that her end after that message from the pastor would be in a month she would have laughed it off and called that person mad and that she had a lot to enjoy in life. But alas she is now history and a mere statistic.

This stands as a warning to those reading about her. Stop running from God and run TO him. Give your lives to Jesus and be saved. No man knows the hour your turn will come.

RIP ebony reigns. How i wish you served God while in your youth.

Ecclesiastes 12:1
The content of your post is despicable. You should be ashamed of what you have written. Shame on your opinions.
Christianity EtcRe: Even If My Pastor Gambles With My Tithe, I Will Continue To Pay. by Seun(mod):
kistone:
EVEN IF PASTOR USE MY TITHE TO PLAY GAMBLE, I WILL CONTINUE TO PAY. I can only pay through pastor, i didnt pay to pastor. as far i enjoy and bein bless through it. No matter what any #frizzar say dat is ur problem.
How are you sure that the “blessings” are a result of your tithing, and not your hard work and a little bit of luck? Many people who don’t even believe in God enjoy bountiful “blessings”. Some of them are even the richest people in the world.
Christianity EtcRe: My Case Against Seun And His Mods. by Seun(mod): 8:34am On Feb 09, 2018
According to our policy, we were supposed to clean the thread up.
Christianity EtcRe: Why So Many Atheists On Nairaland Forum? by Seun(mod): 8:45pm On Feb 08, 2018
vaxx:
I do not see how a well versed religious fellow with general knowledge will look stupid when engaging the atheist. Most of the religious guys that fall to their intelligence possess little knowledge of their own religion and likewise general knowledge.
People who study their religions more deeply in order to prove atheists wrong often end up escaping from their faith. They become atheists or deists. Religion is a house of cards. The more you know, the less you believe.
Christianity EtcRe: "I Don't Pay Tithes To Winners Chapel Anymore" - Lady; Daddy Freeze Reacts by Seun(mod): 8:33pm On Feb 08, 2018
Congrats, lady. I’m glad that you’re enjoying your freedom so much.
Christianity EtcRe: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Seun(mod): 8:09pm On Feb 08, 2018
Every first fruit story is a tragedy. Of course, giving away an entire month salary can make you go broke and have to beg your poorer friends for money. Christ Embassy workers in particular are known for this. The story is plausible.
Christianity EtcRe: How I Was Informed Of Oyedepo’s Wife Death, Adeboye Reveals by Seun(mod): 5:37pm On Feb 08, 2018
Somebody thought she was dead and published it. The person was duly corrected. And somehow, this is a miracle. tongue
Christianity EtcRe: Why So Many Atheists On Nairaland Forum? by Seun(mod):
winner01:
Which of the hells do you believe? grin
grin

I don’t believe in hell either. I certainly don’t believe that eternal torment is the appropriate punishment for any finite crime, unlike the author of Revelation who thinks every person who has ever told a lie deserves to be burned alive for ever and ever and ever. Billions of billions of billions of years times infinity. That’s not right.
Christianity EtcRe: Why So Many Atheists On Nairaland Forum? by Seun(mod): 4:52pm On Feb 08, 2018
Muafrika2:
They are fake atheists.

The meditate on Indian Gods and believe in cultism/satanism. Most of them.

The real Atheists are about 1% of that number.
I don’t believe Indian gods are real, haven’t joined any cult, and I dont believe Satan exists just as I don’t believe God exists. All liars shall go to hell bro.

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