aletheia: It's OK, my brother. I am not saying that I know for sure that Oyedepo or Oyakhilome are Freemasons, only that we can most definitely not rule that out for now, which as I understand it, is what you have also been saying.
biomes2001: I've studied freemasonry,Illuminati and Vatican activities for over 19years now. I knw how they operate. Besides dad used to belong to a secret society(but no mention) for over 35years b4 he repented, as u can see,I 've the background.I can smell a cultist from a million miles.
@biolmes2001, if you indeed have studied this for over 19yrs, how come hand signs is the best you can come up with? that your dad was a cultist, doesnt make every other person one. you are even secretive for not saying what cult your old boy belonged; what then do you expect from other people.
Joagbaje: E don do Oo . You have proven beyond doubt that pastor Chris is mason. I am mason too. You be mason too , Jesu Kristi be mason too. Infact the oga of all of us masons.
Colossians 2:10 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[quote author=petres_007 link=topic=340740.msg6136275#msg6136275 date=1275471823]Guys, having compared his (Oyaks) photos with the others, I think its true there may be more to it than meets the eye but my stand is this - I really won't be surprised if he really were a mason or something like that. I won't be surprised at all. And while these images (compared to all the others and masonic lithographs & symbols I saw across the web) may seem to suggest something masonic/occultic about him, I don't think they're conclusive evidence to nail him as a freemason.[/quote]I share your view as well
Joagbaje: you are right , Ganja seed is lying . Except if he overblow or exergerate what he claimed he heard. That teaching is umbiblical and pastor Chris has will not teach that kind of thing. You know we are in a free world , anybody can post anything.
Hey Joe dont even go there, Chris has preached that countless number of times; I have equally heard that from a dozen CE pastors. as a former foundaion school teacher in CE, I once taught that crap,
Kenyan 28: Am around not gone anywhere, fully enjoying my healing, Am feeling better than I felt 8 years ago before I got infected. One thing I know and preach is that, Jesus Christ is the same yesrteday, today and forever. I was not healed by any person BUT in Jesus Name whom I worship, the son of the Almighty God. Pastor Chris did not heal me BUT I got my healing in his anointed Ministry, CE Healing School in South Africa.
Sir John, u may write in all languages and words, fill your pens with the waters of the seas and oceans,write on all leaves of the trees on earth BUT THE REAL FACT IS I @Kenyan 28 got my healing at the CE Healing school of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome.
Welcome Ma, now that you are back, can you now answer my question?
famuchie: Pardon me as I cannot recollect all your comments since inception and due to time constraint may not go back to read them over again but I'm sure you said something about people jumping out of wheel chairs even though they didn't come to the Healing School with them. This is sometimes true and one of the reasons is that most of these students are too sick & cannot stand on the Healing Line for a long time before Pastor Chris ministers to them ( same with the stretcher case).
had this been the case, this thread would probably not have existed. Some of the people who were put in wheelchairs walked around like every other person for two weeks until the evening of the healing service. How do you explain that?
Read a similar story from SA:
A victim of Chris Oyakhilome`s scam is Lerato Maise. Her hope that her daughter Mathapelo would be healed was dashed after visiting Pastor Chris Oyakhilome’s healing school. Mathapelo was diagnosed with a brain tumor in 2005 and attended two weeks of healing sessions at the Christ Embassy Church. She was 10 at the time.
Lerato Maise said that on the day of the supposed healing at one of the church’s seminars, her daughter was well enough to stand on her own but was put in a wheelchair.
“I was new at the church and did not understand the procedure,” she said. “The other congregants were in another room and watched us on a video link-up. “After the pastor prayed for my daughter they asked her to stand up as if she were healed. “The congregants shouted with joy when they saw her walking.”
Maisela said she believed people have the power to heal.
“Pastor Chris took advantage of my desperate situation,” she said. “I believe that God gives people power but if they are greedy they will be punished.”
Maisela’s daughter died shortly after her visit to the pastor.
“My daughter was an amazing child and I was willing to do anything to make sure she became better. “I am glad that he is exposed. He should stop taking advantage of people.”
Maisela has not gone back to the church since the incident. (Names were changed for fear of reprisal)
famuchie: Open your heart and have a rethink because this thread is doing more much harm than intended good you might have thought of. I will leave the rest till we speak.
Africankel: Sir J, I remember deftly sometime about a year ago when we debated on this topic, I cant imagine that you are still towing this path,
@All, there is some truth in what Sir John had said in his early posts, but I would rather than argue with him, take it that it was a misunderstanding. . .
Hi Kel, Thanks for coming out boldly to say what you said; I appreciate your sincerity.
@donnie, FYI, I and Africankel have met one on one, I assure you he knows what he is talking about. I do not blame you for all your rantings cos I know its not your fault, I know that very soon, you will meet with the truth.
fyneguy: Now somebody has come with a different report which portrayed you as a devil's agent. The onus is on you to prove to us that Kenya28's claims are a pack of lies. She has provided vital information which the likes of you and Kunle always requested for. Now that you have the information, do the people you are trying to ''save'' from ''The healing school's deception'' a favour, by investigating Kenyan28's claim and reporting back to this forum, with your findings.
That you attended the healing school or not, is immaterial. Your conclusion based on what you ''observed'' at the healing school has been called to question. Until you are able to prove her claims wrong, you are the liar for now.
She came with a different report which I have put side by side with mine and demanded that she point out where I have lied; she went mute claiming she cannot read my post. How then did she label me a liar and a devil if she didnt read what I posted.
@ Kenyan 28, stop blabbing and answer my question. @ Mabel, Hubreality knows me better than to ask me that question, I've spoken within him several times on phone and he very well knows my person. I have equally spoken with and met with several Nairalanders on the religion forum since the inception of this post some are members of CE if you must know.
Kenyan 28: Mr Sir John, am unable to read along your long story.
@Kenyan 28, Suddenly you cannot talk anymore abi? You are a liar! so you want me to believe you did not read my post right? tell that to the winds. I hope the world can see this.
@Kenyan 28, Heres part 2 of my original post (just in case you didnt read it) then tell me what I have said here that is a lie. remember I asked you some questions earlier and you answered them. Is my story any different from your answer? where you not made to fill out and sign an indemnty agreement? where you not divided in groups and each group had names like citadel, royalty, kings class, etc, did each group not have a pastor overseeing them? did you not mention that pastor Austin was your group pastor? did I not mention his name in my post? If this much of what I narrated is true, then where is the lie? Kindly let me know what part of my post you are uncomfortable with. pls note the bolded statements and compare with your answers.
Kenyan 28: No, we were never spit into 2 or more groups towards the end. Rather we were divided into many groups on our 2nd day simply coz we were many to keep monitoring easy. Remember its a school and we had class attendance registers marked in the morning and at 2pm after lunch. These groups made us close and got to know each other. My Pastor was Austin from Nigeria plus a volunteer South African from Cape Town. Testimonies were the order of the day.
SirJohn: [center]THE TRUTH ABOUT CHRIST EMBASSY HEALING SCHOOL contd.[/center] After the process of registration has been completed by every student few days into the session, they are split into several groups (usually depending on their cases). So you find one group with cases such as: HIV, infertility, barrenness etc and another group with cases such as cancer, diabetes, brain tumor and so on. ***The registration process includes signing an indemnity agreement. The agreement stated that the ‘healing school shall be indemnified of any form of fatality or injury of any sort that may arise in an attempt to exercise your faith’ (paraphrased). The students were made to sign another portion which stated that they were there solely on the basis of their own personal belief (to me that was another way of saying OYO). Signing of these agreements was compulsory for every student. ***
Classes are held on a general level each day. This is usually several hours of faith stirring teachings, video clips of Pastor Chris’ miracle crusades and testimonies from previous healing school sessions. There is usually a break period after which the students return for more ‘lectures’ After the general class, the students would then separate into their respective groups for a group session. Each group had a pastor or healing school staff overseeing it. I believe the segmentation into groups is to help monitor each student closely. After the group session, some groups were to wait behind for special prayers in a place they call ‘Prayer room’. The groups with less severe cases didn’t have to wait for the prayer room session. The prayer room as I later learnt was the point where the whole selection of wheelchair cases for the healing line was done.
In the session I witnessed, there were two prayer rooms. Evang. (Dr) Eddy Owase and Rev. Ray Okocha (both are CEC members) were each in either of the rooms respectively and they were each assisted by a healing school personnel. Each student took their turn to see the ‘men of god God’. During the consultations (special ref to wheelchair cases), they were asked certain questions about their condition after which they were prayed for. The ‘man of god God’ then instructs the student to try getting off the wheelchair, at this point, the staff assisting the MOG then begins to film the student (using a camcorder) as he makes the attempt.
***I was reliably informed by a senior healing school staff that anyone who couldn’t stand or walk in the prayer room wouldn’t make it to the healing line. He went on to say that Pastor Chris saw every single recording from the prayer room and only those who are well able to stand and walk was eligible for the healing line. As a matter of fact, when Pastor Chris stands before any of these folks during ministration, he knows exactly what they can or cannot do because he has already seen a video recording of that. Hmm!!!***
The first session of the Healing School had about 500 students in attendance; more than half of this number did not make it to the healing line. No reason or explanation was given except that it was ‘in their best interest to repeat another session’ i.e. another two weeks. This development left several of the students confused, many of whom had spent the last two weeks paying hotel & taxi bills.
The first healing service of the session was held on Sunday May 18 by 3pm. Those who did not make it to the healing line were asked to come by 12noon, on arrival, they were prevented from entering into the main hall, instead they were asked to remain outside under the baking heat of the sun. Security marshals had their instruction not to allow any of them into the hall. It was indeed a very sad sight as I looked around and saw the cases they had left outside: the crippled, blind, deaf and dumb, paralyzed, children with down’s syndrome and so on, all littered everywhere; tears rolled from my eyes as I watched. Later on, we noticed that some students were already in the hall, in fact they had been asked to come as early as 8am. ***the eligible ones came as early as 8 am, they had a special closed door session in which they were ‘prepared’ adequately to meet with the ‘Man of god God’ the preparation was nothing more than putting them in a hypnotic suggestible state. They were taught how to react when the ‘Man of god God’ ministered to them. They repeatedly told them to start jumping and leaping for joy as soon as they were touched or breathed upon by Pastor Chris, that explains why you see such in their videos***
some of the students left the healing school at this point threatening to expose the whole scam. I tried calming down a few of them saying it was probably too early to pass judgment, some agreed. It was now 3pm and the invited partners and pastors had started arriving. We’d been kept outside for three hours now for no reason at all. If not for the rain that made us force our way in, God knows for how long we would have been kept outside. Inside the hall seats were already reserved for the partners and pastors and special seats were also reserved for the ‘eligible’ students. No sitting plan was made for the other students, it was only later they created a place at the rear end of the hall for us to sit.
Later on the service began and the eligible students were brought in straight from the special hall where they have had a closed session to the special seats reserved for them. Later after that, the wheelchair and stretcher cases were brought in. This was the funny part because out of over 100 wheelchair cases in the first session, only about five made it to the healing line and out of that five, only two came to the healing school with their own wheelchair and they could both stand and walk on their own (I saw them do so). The rest three were as surprised as I was because they were occupying a wheelchair which didn’t belong to them. The ones that lay on stretchers also didn’t have any reason on God’s green earth to be on them. You’ll know the rest of the story if you read the first part of this post.
The second session went much the same way as the first although with a slightly funnier twist. More than half of the students who were asked to repeat didn’t come back to the healing school, each with bitter memories of what they had experienced. The few of us who still hung on to the illusive lifeline given to us decided to continue. We were joined by another 500 students, most of whom would later share the same ordeal. Everyday witnessed the same rituals as in the first session until the last day. Selection was done as usual and we were yet again denied the healing line, this time around, we were joined by over half the number who came for the second session (an enormous crowd you’d say). The second session had its own healing service with the same theatrical display from Pastor Chris which earned him loud applause from his pastors and partners who were completely oblivious of the deceit.
Having had so many crowds of desperate impotent and disabled folks in their hands all unattended to, the Healing school got smart and decided to play a fast one on us. They announced that there would be another healing service the next day for the rest of us to be ministered to. “Wow!! Finally, Pastor Chris was to live up to his reputation as a faith healer and shut his critics up for life” or so I thought; but oh how wrong I was. The next day came and as you would expect, we all came as instructed and waited patiently for Pastor Chris. My suspicion again started as I noticed that nobody came to address the crowd, we were all left in a warehouse like hall from morning till evening. When finally we were asked to come in, I noticed that the stage lights used the previous day had been removed; there were only two or three camera men, no protocol staff etc. I immediately smelled a rat, a big rotten rat. No much ceremony was observed; they obviously didn’t want to waste our time and theirs so Evang. Dr Eddy Owase came up and asked us to watch two videos: one in which Pastor Chris had sent a handkerchief to the healing school in his absence, the second was where he instructed an Asian pastor to minister to a woman in wheelchair. After we were done watching, Rev. Tom Amenkhienan, Pastor Chris’ maternal cousin walks in and started to minister to the crowd of impotent, lame, blind, deaf and dumb, paralyzed folks. He had come in to take the heat for his master; I admire his loyalty, except that he came to stand in for a coward and a charlatan who couldn’t face reality himself. He enjoys fame and glory and the adoration of his passionate members from cheap miracle scam. No wonder he chooses to stay silent most times because he has no defence at all.
For those who think I made up my story, I have two tasks for you (1) go ask Pastor Dave, Pastor Rhoda, Pastor Austin, Pastor Shola, Sis Charlotte (German), Sis Lauren, (all are Healing School staff and major conspirators of the scam that goes on there) and some others whose names I do not have at the time of this post. Let them say that I have lied or let them say that I do not understand the ‘ways of the spirit’. (2) Anyone can visit the healing school and confirm these things for themselves. I understand that there is tight security at the Healing School, but nobody will turn you back if you came with a medical report and claimed you came for the school. stay there fore a session and let me know if your experience would be any different from mine.
Also view the youtube video in this link, a minister W V Grant uses the same technique as that in the healing school. You'll also find another minister exposed for similar miracle fraud. BE WISE!!!
KunleOshob: All my instincts are telling me that this character that goes by the user I.D "Kenyan 28" is a pure fake An I.D that was created to give credence to the scams going on at various CEC scam centres. What is the use of giving useless information concerning your healing that you know we can not independently verify Or do is someone supposed to go to South Africa to verify your claims? As far as i am concerned the character is a long standing CEC adherent who as be trained / brainwashed to tell lies to further the earthly kingdom of oyakhilome. Her language and use of words is too synonymous to CEC plc adherents.
I was thinking along that line Kunle, I kept quiet so she can talk herself out. Anyways, I will ask ask her one more question but that will be when I get home.
@ Kenyan 28 In as much as I hate to be a stumbling block to anybody's faith, it is also important that the truth be told. When I started this thread, I gave details of what I saw in the healing school within a period of four weeks and I remember saying as well that I sought explanation from key leaders within the ministry. I do not blame you at all for your outburst of enthusiasm and passion because you are only an outsider looking in from a distance; everything will definitly look right in your eyes but BEWARE. nevertheless, I have a few questions for you:
Approximately how many students attended the session you witnessed? How many of these made it to the healing line? Where you guys at any time split into two or more groups towards the end of the session? How many wheelchair cases do you recall to have seen at the healing school? How many of these were ministered to?
Kenyan 28: @Folusade, Thanks so much my sister. Lets preach the word of God. The devil is a liar, he came to destroy and kill. And he's using Sir John definately.
Its very clear that Sir John doesnt believe in Jesus Christ! No he doesnt coz when I told him to explain why the oppotunistic infections disappeared completely from my body he said "it's a state of the mind"" what a liar! What a devil we are aurguing with, Mark u @Sir John even Satan himself knows that Jesus Christ is a healer,who's the same yesterday today and forever but he's in denial,
I wonder what u are now! Remember every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD including SATAN AND SIR JOHN!
True miracles happen in Christ Embassy and healing school. I was there for 18 days. witnessed 2 graduation ceremonies with over 1000 students each from all over the world,
Its over a month now, av not had boils, sour throat, cough, stomach upsets, headaches nor lost weight. I never had a week (only one week) without the mentioned attachs before I went to the healing school. Av actually added weight, I used to be 65kgs and now am 68kgs and av not taken a single tablet of medicine. I told our company doctor to close my file coz am not going to be his client any more, for the word of God is medicine to my body, every day,
Hi Kenyan 28, knock yourself out; write all you care, I'll reply you very soon. I'm a little too busy at the moment. Regards.
I live in Ireland and I have never been to the healing school but one thing I know for sure is that God is a healer!Like my Pastor said these are things of the spirit and YOU CAN NEVER GRASP THEM WITH YOUR SENSES!Just from watching Pastor Chris I have attempted things in my life I would have dreaded to even attempt and its worked for me!What strikes me about Sir John is that he does not even quote one bible verse which means his attacks are what his flesh tells him!Please sir before you go on such an attack pray and let God give you his words to speak!Just telling us what you saw will not convince spiritual people like me!I need it to come from God for me to approve it!So far what Chris is preaching is in line with the word of God!The bible says in I Corinth 2 "no eye has seen nor ear heard what God has in store, but God has revealed it to us through hi spirit!I am a spirit woman!It also says the carnal man cannot undestand the things of the spirit for they are foolishness to him!Brother you are in the flesh thats why this is too much for you!
Hi Magdadodo, its very obvious you havent read through this thread very well otherwise you wouldnt have made the comment in red. Secondly Ma, that something worked for you doesnt make it true; several years ago, I came across a book written by Norman Vincent paele "The Power Of Positive Thinking" it was more of a motivational book, I applied some of the principles in the book and believe me it worked like magic. I dont need to quote the bible to make my story any more true than it already is.
and the laugh goes on. I'll tell you guys a very funny experience of mine: sometime in may 2007, whilst still a member of CE, the church pastor prophesied that god was going to raise 1000 millonaires from our branch (thats like half of the church cos membership strength at that time was a little over 2000). coincidentally, during that period, there was fund raising for church reconstruction so everyone was encouraged to take advantage of the oppurtunity to key into the 'man of gods' prophesy. being a member of the Haven, we were told we had the right of the firstborn so we had all the advantage; I wasnt gonna let that opportunity slip by so I pledged and gave a whooping N100,000. That was big for me at that time cos I went broke afterwards.
Few weeks later, someone introduced me to a money making scheme that was sweeping across the southwest especially the city of Ibadan. I quickly showed interest since this may be that opportunity to become a millonaire. I cleared my bank account at that time and also got few friends and family members to be part of it, infact, I had to drive to Ibadan myself to be sure the whole thing was true. I invested over a million naira of both my money and other peoples money; to be frank, I belived this thing so much cos my first investment paid off.
During this time, my intention was to make money so that I could give BIG, I also wanted give my first 'Million' to Chris, that unfortunately is the dream of most CE members. to cut the long story short, the whole scheme was later discovered to be a ponzi scheme, I lost everything I invested; it was indeed a dark moment for me.
Joagbaje: Sir john what happened to your faith, you onnce claimed you laid hands on people and things happened. Who has bewitched you to stand against the truth you once believed. Healing is our inheritance. God is not just healing through these great men. He is healing through us also.
Yes Joagbaje, I was once a WOF practitioner, I am no longer one. Till lately, when I watch TBN, I cant help but laugh when I see these WOF guys do the same things I did over 15 years ago. it still is the same thing it hasnt changed a bit; I can still make those things happen because I know the psychology behind it. For instance, I can induce the 'falling under the power' phenomenon or make people scream as though they are obsessed by a demon. I've demonstrated this several times in several places. No big deal!
In as much as I would not want to discourage anybody, the truth must still be told. The reason why faith fake healers get away with their cheap scams is because certain people would rather show an unbeleivably huge amount of loyalty to these rich scam artists rather than be honest with themselves. A very common trend which I have noticed is that people who patronise faith healers also seek alternative means of getting well sometimes before and during consultation with the faith healers. The sad news however is that when they do get better, they either deny that they have been recieving treatment through orthodox or traditional medicine or they will never tell you the extent they have gone with the alternative treatment.
Kenyan 28, you did mention in one of your posts about Benny Hinn being a true man of God, Ha Ha , I'd rather listen to his protoge (Chris). Well I too was in the same sorry state as you are now until I saw several videos where Benny himself openly owned up to several unbelievable lies he had told just to get his followers loyalty. Several people who like you claimed they were healed where secretly tracked down to their homes and it was startling to find out that these folks were never at all healed; some even died weeks later.
Kenyan 28: EXPLAIN WHY I DONT GET SICK ANYMORE AFTER TAKING VERY COLD STUFF LIKE I USED TO BEFORE MY HEALING?? MY BODY RESPONDS TO THE WORD OF GOD NOT TO DISEASES ANY MORE!!! AL TELL MUCH WHEN I GET BACK TO MY COUNTRY!!
Its very simple kenyan, its called mind over matter; you'd be amazed if you knew how much that can work.
@Kenyan, I have been following your posts and the subsequent responses and I want to advise that you be very very careful. I'm not trying to discourage you in any way but your case is not new at all. When I started this thread, I remember stating that I have been a member of CE and a leader as well; I have seen your kind of situation go bad several times. I remember talking about a dear brother who passed on in december 2008 of HIV, he was in the branch of CE where I left. he went to the healing school and came back 'healed'; some years later in december 2008 he died two weeks to his wedding from HIV complications. Hes is not the only case that has been recorded and believe me if anything should happen to you, they will say you did not sustain you faith; thats been the case with many faith healers around the world.
From your posts, I can see you've put serious effort in ensuring that you remain healthy and alive for as long as you can; and so far most of it has worked for you. My advice: dont trade what you have now for false hope which may seem to work now but will definitely FAIL.
Enigma: So much for CEC members/Oyakhilome worshippers claiming to have the "filling of the 'spirit'" or "walk in love" ---- using such gutter language!
let them say all they want, it doesnt change the fact that Chris is a charlatan
Christianity Etc › Re: New Age Teachings Of Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Is It Right? by SirJohn(m): 8:37pm On Jun 09, 2010
An I.D that was created to give credence to the scams going on at various CEC scam centres. What is the use of giving useless information concerning your healing that you know we can not independently verify 
Or do is someone supposed to go to South Africa to verify your claims? As far as i am concerned the character is a long standing CEC adherent who as be trained / brainwashed to tell lies to further the earthly kingdom of oyakhilome. Her language and use of words is too synonymous to CEC plc adherents.