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WOW!! It almost seems futile debating this but i personally can't wait for the Senator in question's stint and misadventure in the senate to come to an end. Perhaps now it isn't so ludacris to comprehend the abysmal records of actual bills pased and situations addressed by the legislative arm of government when you look at what goes on there. Obama recommendations? Exposed tummies of ladies in Indian dresses? Since when did these even become a priority in the Nigerian situation when you look at everything else? *sigh* |
I really don't know anymore, i really need to pray for strength to permanently ignore a certain poster's threads and posts, but this is getting quite out of control . I am pretty sure a lot of people if not everyone here knows what google earth is, what is most amusing is the insistence in using googe earth as a credible means of estimating population. Try using google map or google earth on places like the states and europe, the "coverage" is pretty good and images are much more defined when compared to places in Africa like Nigeria whereby any place that cannot be identified is just pasted with low res green pixels as has consistently been shown in the google earth loving poster's images. Also, with the persistence of using these aeriel shots and terrible low res satellite images, is that to say that the reason Nigeria is not functioning is because of a census everyone knows was fake even without the use of these terribly low res satellite images? Read the news artuicles from just after the census results were declared, you are not saying anything groundbreaking or new by declaring the census to be a fraud. You aren't saying anything we don't know. So what new point is actually being put across with all these images that seem to have infinite sequels spawning everyday? |
One thing that just came to mind is that if the aim is to produce ethanol on an industrial scale then it means growing of sugar on an industrial scale, industrial farm machinery and techniques, fertilizers, the whole works. Apart from Obasanjo's Ota farm does such a farm exist in Nigeria? If it didn't and the factor that actually became the drive to do such was not to feed the nation hence reduce the ammount of stuff that the country imports (apparently including garri) but instead to be producing 100litres of ethanol and 300litres after expansion then that is quite disheartening. Anyway, they have already begun and even though its in my view misplaced priority, if the fruits of the money can be seen, then what else can be hoped for. I hope this news and others isn't to serve as distraction of the Nigerian masses from the constitutional review o? Tomorrow you will hear "woman in Nigeria gave birth to boy with two heads", "Abacha comes back to life", "EFCC arrests Peter Odilli, Obasanjo and Babangida" and you won't hear anything about the constituional review. These government guys are crafty, it is now they want to shake body after over a year of no motion ![]() |
bawomolo:LOL .Well, now we know "it can be done" i just hope that government won't be the one to run this plant in case it doesn't turn out to be cost effective, hence further increasing the burden on government funds. |
courage89:So basically if i am getting this correctly you are saying that the aim is to produce ethanol to be used as an additive for fuel which the country imports from others? So the fuel imported from foreign countries that probably have no crude oil but have refineries, don't these already contain ethanol additives? This is the point i keep driving at, i don't see how this could be more cost effective than investing in a refinery? Is this a joke or some experimant for a science class to show that "it can be done"? LOL. Even if it is being used as an additive, are we all picturing what 300litres looks like? ![]() |
courage89:Read the article a bit more carefuly or perhaps i read it wrong? Kaduna produces fuel from sugarcane |
Lol, this is a bit amusing. Let us look at this properly, first of all those who are saying that there is no food hence people are starving and already available food should not be used, i don't think this is the issue. Correct me if i am wrong but i think availability of money to the poor to then use to buy food rather than just sugar cane is what the issue is. Now if sugar cane is going to be used for bio fuels i am guessing this will mean more business for sugar cane planters and hence more income for them to feed their family, hence i don't see what the arguement there is. However, reading the ammount of money spent on sugar cane and manufacture, and all to produce what, 300litres of biofuels? I hope people are looking at this instead, try to picture what 300litres looks like, LOL. 300litres would be used for exactly how many cars? It is just completely ludacris and seems like another case of all motion and no movement kind of thinking. Countries like America, France, Germany, England, etc can afford to spend money on biofuels and other such ventures that are currently not cost effective but can Nigeria afford to? Are we going to deceive ourselves that Nigeria is swimming in money to burn when there is no power, good roads, security, etc? I would like to think that this was some country like America or England encouraging Africa to "go green" when such countries still depend heavily on fossil fuels, i would have liked to think this so that i could vent at the absurdity and hypocricy considering how much africa actually contributes to global pollution. But to think that this was a Nigerian leader's "bright idea" just really yet again discourages confidence in the ill gotten crop of leaders ruling the country. Has Nigeria suddenly run out of oil and gas? Why would you ask a woman swimming in fresh water to dehydrate because by drinking the water she might be offending the fishes? |
WOW. Please go through your posts again and absorb it, then try and reconcile it with the problems of mismanagement, corruption, unaccountability, bad governance, inscecurity, no power, lack of functioning industries, very high unemployment, etc that are facing the country, and see if what you are proposing is in tandem with the actual issues. What is even more surprising and perhaps i should be used to it by now, is how you speak as if there are only 3 to 5 ethnic groups in Nigeria. Why don't your posts ever seem to deviate from this unto substance which affects the country? Anyway, i should know better by now, no doubt you will find a response. |
All i can say is that i am very happy that a certain poster who has a fetish for low res-pixelated-aeriel photography is not a person who decides how Nigeria is run or else the country is in serious trouble. Creation of more states? I am just lost for words really, and the arguements used are just mind boggling. Some states are too big to handle? And that calls for creation of a whole new state with new commissioners and governors and SSGs that are all getting paid with government money that is not infinite? And i am assuming these new states are going to generate their own revenue or is it just going to be a matter of taking another slice off the oil pie? Instead of finding a way to shrink the number of currently useless states and introducing things like mayors of certain areas or districts or something of that nature and hence avoiding having to create a whole other state government, people are actually thinking of more states? Instead of thinking of a way to reduce bureacracy in governmental structure and make it more effective, more states is actually an issue? A whole new autonomous entity that will simply be another mouth to feed on the limited oil resources? Isn't this just a case of a very poor family having too many children? Sometimes i just don't even know to be honest, from the way this thread has progressed you will think such a debate was even based on a pressing issue. Also, i am almost certain that factors greater than low res aeriel photographs are what is used by experts to generate information on population and issues of that matter. Well, that is what you have to accept with an open forum, everyone turns into an "expert". Let me look for a recreational section on the forum so that i can go and lecture people on the intricacies of basket weaving, something i know nothing about but hey, i am on the internet. ![]() |
Read earlier comment, not all will agree with you that things cannot be different and i disagree with you that their is no hope as i happen to believe that there is so you might just have to deal with the fact that not everyone sees the situation as unchangeable and hopeless. Good day ![]() |
bilymuse:Thanks for making your position clearer but of course you know not everyone sees Nigeria as being without hope as you do, and not everyone has such resignation. Hence please stop expressing phony shock at people who might see possibility and hope in the situation. |
bilymuse:So what exactly do you know about me? The "real Nigerians" in Nigeria are suffering and having nightmares, and folding hands and doing nothing to change this is going to cause such to cease? What exactly is your gripe with someone saying, it can be better so let us act to make it so? What is soo offensive about that to you? What exactly? Shouldn't i be the one offended that after pointing out that people in Nigeria are suffering you seem to be against doing anything to change that? |
onyinye2:So you have never tried ever to ever contact such people but you resolved that "it is Nigeria" hence it can't be done? So you castigate the government for being an abomination etc (quite understandably) but are not willing to even consider the posibility not to even speak of doing anything proactive to change this? Isn't there a paradox in there somewhere? Plus you sound to have given up on Nigeria ever getting better, so what exactly are you doing here making the effort to preach such to those who are foolish enough to still hope and act if you habour such resignation that Nigeria would ever getting better? Not trying to offend you, i just don't get it and i guess i don't have to, to each his own. Have a nice day. |
onyinye2:This is something i just don't get, so everyone who dares to dream of a better Nigeria is living in fantasy? The thing about dreams is that a lot of people dream then work to make the dream a reality. In Nigeria it seems it is either just dream and not act at all to bring it to reality or just remain pessimistic. When the opportunity presents itself to act you will see people running away from it like it was the plague instead of seeing such opportunity to make things right as a blessing even, LOL, quite amusing. You said something that suggested "it is Nigeria" hence contacting reps and senators is impossible because "it is Nigeria". Have you actually tried to get in contact with any member of the house before or anybody in such authority to make a difference, ever, that leads you to believe it is impossible or would you rather just say that? I just don't get it but anyway, it is a free forum so to each his own. It seems if you want to scare Nigerians there is no need to carry a gun, just say "come lets solve our problems" and you will see people jumping into bush, ![]() |
onyinye2:lol, speak for yourself pleae. I don't know why people on this forum have a habit of wanting to speak for everyone, if you feel you are greedy then that is between you and your maker, don't come and smear me in thesame paint ![]() Whatever excuse you might want to use in order to leave things the way they are is up to you, i have already forseen the futility in this arguement, have a nice day . For everyone else please, honestly, this constituion review is a big deal. All those shouting Niger delta this and that know themselves. An opportunity presents itself. |
@onyinye if you continue to see things the way you asume they will always be instead of the way they can and should be why would you want to act to make them they way they should be? I find it amusing how people always get on the defensive when it is time to act, a million and one excuses are made to say why it will never work. But to right essay, you will see people just doing it. Please permit those who believe things can be different if we drive at that to hold on to that and act on that. I rather try to do something than sit and look and continue to say "it can never be". |
I did not want to have to open a new thread for this but anyone is free to if they want. Instead of dreaming of what could be and so on why not step in to act? If there has ever been a time throughout the history of this current administration to put pressure on the senate and the house it is now!!! I don't think the need arises to write about the importance of a constitution that is relevant to the reality of the country and is current with the urgency of the obstacles the country of Nigeria faces in development and growth. The constitution is an important foundation to the growth of the nation's democracy. Instead of simply dreaming about change please, the utmost ammount of pressure needs to be put on the law makers in order that the country gets a more fair constitution that can potetnially stimulate growth and development rather than hinder it. We should find out the contact details of those taking part in this review and see what we can each do in our capacity. Let Nairaland stand for something beyond commentary |
Nigeria: Constitution Review Begins Next Week 10 September 2008 Posted to the web 10 September 2008 Tashikalmah Hallah Review of the 199 Constitution will start next week when the National Assembly inaugurates an 80-member joint committee for the exercise, Senate President David Mark said yesterday. Speaking at the resumption of the Senate after a two-month recess, Mark said the National Assembly was committed to coming up with new laws that will positively touch on the lives of Nigerians. The Senate and the House of Representatives have announced membership of the joint constitution review committee before the two chambers went on annual recess. The committee, with membership from each of the 36 states and Abuja, is to be headed by Deputy President of the Senate Ike Ekwer-emadu, while the Deputy Speaker of the House of Representatives, Usman Bayero Nafada will serve as his deputy. Mark said in his address, "As we return the expectation of the people is naturally and rightly high. Among others, our people anxiously await action on the constitution amendment. "You will recall that before we proceed on recess, we had announced the names of our colleagues who would represent us in the constitution Review Committee. It is heart-warming to note that the House of Representatives has also named its membership. "We can for all intent and purposes declare that we are set to kick start the process. The Joint Committee should be inaugurated early next week, God willing," he said. http://allafrica.com/stories/200809100394.html |
Big B1:lol, well, people like to say "we are all entitled to our opinions" so let us apply it across the board. @BigB1 It would be more helpful if you actually said something in all this writing because your posts always seem to make no sense whatsoever to me. Perhaps i am too stupid to see the substance in it. I am however willing to be enlightened so please do explain to us what you mean by all of this without using more rethoric that appears to be deep and meaningful but actually seems to say nothing while on closer inspection, or are we just going to get more award winning lines like "you have to know where we are to know where we went" or something of that nature? . Hopefully we could get something less vague? LOL, quite amusing to say the least[/quote]Sorry folks; it seems to me that Nigeria is being re-arranged just in-case of In-caseCity.LOL, more pulitzer winning inspirational commentary from Mr BigB1, Nairaland! ![]() |
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LOL, but doesn't this just echo the Nigerian situation of leadership and pride even in churches? This whole issue of power, leadership and pride that leads to self aggrandisation whereby governors who have done nothing to warrant respect demand it and want to be called "oga sir"and be showered with praises and the so called "men of god" want to be called prophets hence seem to play 'guess what happens next'. In Nigeria nothing seems to be off limits to these traits and what is most worrying is when all these so called "prophecies" are ascribed to have been received from God himself, direct, no go slow or due process. Just seems a microcosm of a larger aspect of the Nigerian situation and psyche. |
@Kobo ditto, just a shame people will try to add unecessary complexities to the problem of crime and punishment. However, i don't feel patriotism is what comes after action, i believe if patriotism was really there it is what might be what is necessary in such a country to drive people to act in the first place. If patriotism really was there then won't these actions spoken off about people acting in the best interest of the country and upholding a system that condones corruption and indiscipline have being forced and demanded for? I don't see this patriotism in the first place in the wider Nigeria before we even begin talking about it coming before or after actions. |
Any links or reference to verify this news or is this just about discussing speculation? |
[quote author=dudu-bobo link=topic=168280.msg2771612#msg2771612 date=1220889668]Let's not get anything twisted. You said I concluded that Nigerians are patriotic - I did not. Now you claim you are trying to postulate that I inferred that patriotic Nigerians are in the majority - I did not make any such postulation[/quote]Sorry if i misunderstood where you were coming from, don't take this as an attack but the parts in bold are what led me to draw those conclusions, perhaps some error? [quote author=dudu-bobo link=topic=168280.msg2771350#msg2771350 date=1220886848]@skyblue, I agree with you. We are either engaged in corruption or always celebrating corrupt people and we blame everyone else for our problems. Nigerians are patriotic but it's not moving the nation forward because they are not doing the right things to move Nigeria forward[/quote][quote author=dudu-bobo link=topic=168280.msg2771513#msg2771513 date=1220888490]I don't know if I have concluded that Nigerians are patriotic but I know that some Nigerians are proud to be Nigerians, including me. Besides, my belief is that the tribalistic ones are not in the majority[/quote] |
[quote author=dudu-bobo link=topic=168280.msg2771513#msg2771513 date=1220888490]I don't know if I have concluded that Nigerians are patriotic but I know that some Nigerians are proud to be Nigerians, including me. Besides, my belief is that the tribalistic ones are not in the majority[/quote]Now this is what i don't get, if according to your postulation those who hold the interest of their ethnic groups way above the interest of the country are in the minority then you are saying "patriotic Nigerians" are in the majority, right? So what sort of patriotism do Nigerians practise that only goes as far as speaking without any genuine or substantial actions or culture of such being displayed? If you agree that genuine patriotism leads one to act patriotic then shouldn't Nigeria be in a different situation as opposed to the precipice it seems to continually face? Just read today about the rumours of an alleged coup that is flying around everywhere. So this patriotism, when is it going to start bearing fruit as opposed to the so called "patriots" being hearers but not doers? |
[quote author=dudu-bobo link=topic=168280.msg2771479#msg2771479 date=1220888170]ha ha. We are looking at different aspects of this. Tribalists have personal problems and they need to be counselled. . . that's my opinion[/quote]well, considering that this issue of tribalism isn't some insignificant annoying fly but quite a noticeable obstacle, how did you then come to the conclusion that "Nigerians are patriotic" ? ![]() |
[quote author=dudu-bobo link=topic=168280.msg2771350#msg2771350 date=1220886848]@skyblue, I agree with you. We are either engaged in corruption or always celebrating corrupt people and we blame everyone else for our problems. Nigerians are patriotic but it's not moving the nation forward because they are not doing the right things to move Nigeria forward[/quote]I don't get that statement. I hope you aren't equating this special "love" that Nigerians seem to have for the country outside Nigeria which surprisingly, internally does not seem to be able to move past ethnic or tribal affiliations to patriotism. So those who keep on reducing everything to tribalism as has been seen so many times but go outside nigeria and shout "up naija" and show their "national pride", are they patriotic because they practise such outside the country where no one will know the difference between an igbo, yoruba or Nigerian man? Where we all have to be Nigerians? Is that the kind of patriotism you speak of as something worthy of note? |
Yet again more lip service, Nigeria. A few days ago someone posted on Nairaland about how the former prime minister of Thailand is being dealt with by his people, the former thai prime minister Thaksin skipped bail and fled to England, the current one is already in a legal battle; people in Pakistan are protesting and demanding judgement on the former prime minister of their nation who they all felt cheated them and symbolised corruption, today i was watching on the news about how people in Swaziland, yes oh, Swaziland have been holding protests continuosly against the the traditional ruler of Swaziland who has about 30 wives which he yearly picks from a reeds festival ( a topic that has been discussed on this forum). This "ruler" of Swaziland lives in oppulence while his people suffer in squalor and after yet another private jet apparently the people decided to fight against this so called "culture" of exploitation and corruption. So please someone help me out, when is Nigeria's own turn going to come? This so called "Giant of Africa" that is the biggest black nation on earth, when are people going to be, in their patriotism led act to take back the country? As has been exhibited on Nairaland time immeasurable, it is even difficult for some to see corruption and call it that without renegading back to ethnic bias and tribalism. So when is all this "patriotism" that makes people scream "naija, naija" going to bear any fruit or ammount to anything more than lip service when it seems the wrong cannot even be condemned while some people throwing such award winning lines like "what have you done for Nigeria"? So looking at all of this does anyone actually see any patriotism in the country? One could write an essay on patriotism but for this case it isn't necessary. Patriotism does not have to come when things are going right or when the country has "done something for you", it seems to me to partly come from a belief in ones country and that belief driving one to act in the best interest of the country. Very soon you will here that guinea republic have chased away their own bad eggs while Nigeria keeps on celebrating corruption and bad leadership and vaunting the Nigerian special brand of patriotism that inspires the people to keep on looking and ignoring atrocities while shouting "up naija" or my favourite "naija for lyfe". Nigeria, the giant of Africa and the biggest black nation on earth ![]() |
Kobojunkie:This seems the only way to decongest Lagos, there desperately needs to be wider spread development in Nigeria, too bad visionary leadership in almost all facets of Government including the House of reps seems to be lacking. On the other hand Lagos can use this to generate more revenue by taxation and use such to further develop the city and there definately needs to be a huge boom in highrise buildings to cope with the population issue. |
Jakumo:LOL. @Jakumo, wasn't that a bit harsh? LOL, the thing about posting stuff online is that you don't know who the other person is, could be old enough to be your grand father . I think Nigeria1 needs our prayers and since Jakumo is on the opposite side of the spectrum, Jakumo isn't there anything juju-tech can do for him? Just give 4 Play the list of required "ingredients" so that he gets to be the one to compromise/sacrifice his morals and values, i have a feeling he frequents juju-tech so surely he must be due for a discount on your "services". Whatever needs to be done, Nigeria1 needs our "support" to break this map fetish ![]() P.S. Nigeria1 is there some aeriel shot you can post that can help one better understand Yar Adua's 7 point agenda? |
LOL, honestly "Nigeria1" could argue that water was thicker than eba using aeriel maps, whether the maps would add any substance to the debate is left to each person to draw their own conclusions. Quite amusing i must say, "the world is coming to an end" - Nigeria1 would post aeriel shots; "Nitel is now obsolete in the Nigerian telecommunications landscape" - Nigeria1 will post aeriel shots; "The President has aids" - Nigeria1 will post ariel shots; indeed if you don't know where your mouth is located in order to successfully direct your hand to feed it, ask Nigeria1 to post the aeriel shots for you and he will . It no longer irritates me since this is not my first encounter with the poster, i just now find it hilarious when such (terribly low res and pixelated, 3D 'blocked') aeriel shots are juxtaposed with the substance of the debate in progress and you begin to wonder - "how did we get here, aeriel shots again??" ![]() |
LOL @Jakumo you sound grumpy, abi is it your turn to pedal in your house? Enjoy your "shift" and remember your want to keep a good rythm going so that your feet don't get tired too soon. |
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. I am pretty sure a lot of people if not everyone here knows what google earth is, what is most amusing is the insistence in using googe earth as a credible means of estimating population. Try using google map or google earth on places like the states and europe, the "coverage" is pretty good and images are much more defined when compared to places in Africa like Nigeria whereby any place that cannot be identified is just pasted with low res green pixels as has consistently been shown in the google earth loving poster's images. Also, with the persistence of using these aeriel shots and terrible low res satellite images, is that to say that the reason Nigeria is not functioning is because of a census everyone knows was fake even without the use of these terribly low res satellite images? Read the news artuicles from just after the census results were declared, you are not saying anything groundbreaking or new by declaring the census to be a fraud. You aren't saying anything we don't know. So what new point is actually being put across with all these images that seem to have infinite sequels spawning everyday?
