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SirJohn:
Thats on a lighter note Jo, but you and I know that it goes way further beyond this. Firstly, you say tithing was 'instituted' before the law, can you please provide evidence for this?
What you must understand is that none of us against the 'law of tithing' think it is a crime to tithe[color=#990000][/color], we only say it is not mandatory or compulsory for the new testament christian. Anyone like Abraham or Jacob can of their own will and at their own time decide to give a tenth, a fifth or even all of what they earn to the church, a pastor or even the less privileged this is acceptable. But when folks come here and say we are thieves for not paying tithes or that we will not be blessed by God, it will definitely provoke a reaction. its always convenient for you to play victim all the time but there are countless number of times when either you or your allies have called us greedy, stingy, thieves etc because we would not bow to a lie.

Sir John,
You guys say that those tithing are 'mugus', 'under a curse', 'deluded'. If you are not against tithing as you say, your comments on other threads sure negate the highlighted you posted. Those against tithing are never consistent. Today they say, they have nothing against it, next day they say its fraudulent. Choose one stand.

Truely, nothing is compulsory. Everything is a choice. You chose to sin or chose to live as a Christian. You chose to pray or not but all have their consequences or benefits.
However, as I always say work and walk by faith as anything done without faith is sin.
Cheers

Something I read on the laws of God (as relates to the topic too). Excerpt below:


Let's look briefly at some biblical commands. "You shall not murder," the Ten Commandments tell us (Exodus 20:13). Jesus interpreted this literally and symbolically. This commandment forbids not only murder but also hatred (Matthew 5:21-22). If we insist only on a literal meaning, we miss the more important spiritual intent.

God's laws are not arbitrary rules. They are based on spiritual principles. We should keep the laws of God not with arbitrary exactness, but accordance to the spiritual intent.


"Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain," Deuteronomy 25:4 tells us. The literal meaning is sensible — it is based on a good principle. Paul applied this verse — in principle, not in letter — to human workers, including those who preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:7-12: 1 Timothy 5:17-18).

Sometimes we find that the principle may be applied in the same way. Sometimes we obey both in the letter and according to the principle, sometimes in principle only, when the literal is obsolete.

@blacksta,
Good morning.
So before we go forward, what are the things in 'the law' which have been chosen to do while others have not been chosen?

Burnt offerings? They were not carried over as seen below:

Hebrews 10:1-14
1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
2 If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.
3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins,
4 because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased.[/color]
7 Then I said, 'Here I am--it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.' "
8 First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, [color=#990000]burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made).[/color]
9 Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second.
10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.
13 Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool,
14 because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.[color=#990000]

This is not the same as tithe and nowhere is its stated in the scripture above i.e the ten percent meant to support those that preach the gospel. Anybody therefore saying that tithe and burnt offerings are the same is in error and is adding to what is not stated in the bible. (Well, except he can prove it by scripture). We still have to give to the poor and needy. Nowhere does tithing negate other givings.

Beyond that, there is nowhere in the new testament that you can see the acceptance of burnt offerings. However, we see tithes mentioned. Though, in all things faith is very key and living in righteouness by Christ help too.

If there is any other thing 'chosen from the law' which is practiced, you can mention please.
The bible is complete. I don't know all but the word will be revelaed to us by the Spirit.



Aside all this, no one has said anything about helping the Japanese victims? I thought at least this would be a means to help the poor and the needy especially since that is part of giving too.

@blacksta,
Amen o.
It's only God that can enlighten us from His word. Reading the books of Paul will explain 'the law' in detail.

one is:
1 Cor. 9:21:

When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ.

Would have explained but need to be somewhere. Cheers.

Sorry that is your own logical opinion.
I didn't say I was running away. I said it's useless having a civil discussion with you. Get it?! That's where i see you add to what I didn't say.
You have no point, period.

nuclearboy:
Your curse theses, by the way, is more than funny. It is a misplaced inane attempt to create white-space. Fits, etc are childish - face the issue.

You are the only one acting childish, sorry, and cannot have a civil conversation. Just shows its useless 'conversing' with you.
From my responses, you have no scripture to counter it, so as usual, it is seemingly useless having a discussion with you.
Go ahead and follow the 'fee-only' certified financial planner which you seem happy to. Wish you well.
Cheers.

@Zikkyy,
Well sorry to say, I quoted the scriptures as well as those in the previous posts (if you can only scroll up and see it yourself) which you have nothing to say against, so if you say the biblical 'intelligence' is wrong, then na you talk am o.


@ nuclearboy,
If my saying that you need to 'step' into being a priest as Paul said in the royal priesthood is wrong, then sorry. Since you cannot comprehend and discern my simple English. Christ made us priests but if you are an unbeliever, can you be a priest? If you do not know that you are a priest in Christ, have you 'stepped' into 'it'.

That is my meaning of 'stepping into it'. We all know that athiest and unbelievers attend this thread and even many belivers do not know their position in Christ. Hence, my saying 'stepping into it'. I never mentioned pastors in my thread, where did you get that from? It could be any of the five-fold ministry ok?

As I said to Zikky above, my 'intelligence' was from scriptural references, which you cannot fault. If you have anything to say, back it up biblically.


You seem to  have joined the league of those that are now stating a curse is applied to something! Yet you throw a fit when the scriptures show you God's word and where curses apply.
Read what I posted now and tell me where I added to the bible. Hmmmn, you seem to be so hasty now to use curse.



Who is trying to win an argument by hook or crook? Me or you that has resorted to saying its a curse to add to God's word even when I didn't?
Check all my posts now? Did you see anywhere were I threatened anyone with curse?
You do not understand or comprehend but you say I add to the word of God even while quoting from the bible.
I laugh!

blacksta:
Serious

so where does the scripture that states " let everyman decide within his heart an amount and give cheerfully " stand.

as the above contradicts tithing.

Hi blacksta,
You quoted 2 Corinthians 9:7 but you skipped the prior verses 5 & 6 though:

2 Corinthians 9:5-7 (King James Version)

5Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

6But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. [b][/b]

7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.


It is not contradictory. Spiritual discernment is necessary and not the legalistic study of the bible as the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life.

nuclearboy:
@Snowwy:

Nice to see an intelligent discussant on the other side for a change. Most of them especially the "GBAMs" show little if any brains and are only about cash.

But you are using your intelligence wrongly. The point remains that you cannot select only tithes from the Mosaic law and neglect all other matters.

You have said above that the priests did not work and so the law could not have come about to them. Who's arguing about whether they worked or not? Point is - this was a mosaic law which ended when the old priesthood was abolished. Another way to look at it is EVERY CHRISTIAN IS NOW A PRIEST AND JESUS SAID NONE IS HIGHER. IF you believe Jesus is truthful, then please show us Biblically how a PRIEST is supposed to pay tithe to another priest.

This is not rocket science or aeronautics

1. Could you explain how I am using 'my intelligence wrongly' first? You need to make factual statements. All I did was emphasize the word, how is that 'my intelligence'

2. The old priesthood ended as you said but how did it affect 'tithe and offerings'? I sincerely wonder why you have nothing against offerings as it was in the mosaic era too. Just as tithes predate the mosaic law (Abraham's and Jacob's), offerings too predate the mosaic law (Cain and Abel's offering to God to thank Him for their yield). Both gave 'freely', yet God honoured Abel's only. Why? reason is not far fetched. So if you want to give, do it with thanks and by faith. Simple.

3. Yes we are all priests if we step into that position and Christ is the High Priest.
In the time of Moses, only the Levites could serve at the altar as priests, now we all have a right to the priestly office. May be that is why we see a lot of people who call themselves in that light. That is my conviction of us being a royal priesthood and what Paul meant when he called us priests with Christ. He also spoke about giving honour to whom honour was due, giving double honour to those who labour well in Christ vineyard, his being a spiritual father to Timothy etc. There is equality of course, but spiritual growth is also necessary.

@ Joagbaje,
It is just candid advice o. I am learning from the word daily and not perfect but God's word is perfecting me per time. My contributions, therefore, are just bringing the scriptures forward and nothing of my making. Thanks be to Christ Jesus.

KunleOshob:
^^^
Ok I wld stop harassing you if you agree to give me a cut from your tithe collections

I couldn't help but laugh though at your statement. We can disagree to agree or respect each others convictions you know. When you are called to preach the gospel, perhaps fulltime, do buzz me. I'ld like to attend a program you host then. You would ofcourse be entitled to 'a cut' (as you said) then. 
Cheers

Joagbaje,
I really have not seen the scripture above in the light you just interpreted. Awesome! May God give you the grace to rightly divide the word of truth.

KunleOshob:
Actually I was just harassing uncle Joe, I am in full support of this thread and one of the most convincing things about the bible are the accurate prophecies contained therein especially the birth and death of christ accurate to the date that was predicted in daniel. Also the destruction of Jerusalem was accurately predicted and as uncle Joe rightly pointed out the re-birth of Israel after almost 2000 years in oblivion is really mind burgling and can only be in fulfilment of Israel's role in the end time. The Israeli victory against the arabs in the six day war clearly had the hand of God and their ability to remain as a country for over sixty years even though they are surrounded by vicious enemies who would like to destroy them again is truly divine. That said I would live uncle joe to continue with his thread but he should be careful not to panel beat prophecies too much to meet his personal interpretation

I actually think you do a lot more of 'panel-beating' the word to suit your whims  Prove me wrong, if you please.

@ Topic,
True word. The word of the Lord is truly the Sword of the believer.

KunleOshob:
Finally joagbaje starts a thread that is not about glorifying Oyaks

Seems you spend all your time on 'Oyaks' yourself as you seem to live and breathe his name more. Who is glorifying who? You spend so much time against tithe that you have not even seen other threads opened by Joagbaje on the word. Who mentions/brings up 'Oyaks' on those threads except you?

What gospel do you even preach? 'Anti-church'? and name-calling?

Since you are always fast in responding to threads on tithe, I wonder why you did not respond to the thread on 'Tithing. An interesting article'

Oh and something else to add, the victims of Japan tsunami need your help, rather than sit shouting yourselves hoarse over tithing, could we please contribute to help our brethren who are in great need at this time.
An appeal fund was launched in my office for contributions and so many other organisations are also open to assist like the Red Cross.
It will be nice if we can for once channel our energies to helping those around us.
Thanks.

Hmmmn, Interesting read indeed. Who is the author?

'Paul Williams is a fee-only CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™ professional in Lancaster, PA. He has a passion for teaching others about personal finance - especially from a Christian perspective. If you'd like to learn about his financial planning and tax preparation services.'

Seems your ears are really itching to hear what is 'logical' to you.


1. 'Malachi 3:10-11
10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.'

[b]I though someone said on one of the threads that this scripture was directed to the Priests? If priests are not meant to work but serve at the temple, what time did they have to get crops from the ground for this scripture to even come about?



2. Luke 18:12-14
12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess
13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his bosom, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted


Where did Christ condemn the act here? This Pharisee gave tithes of all he possessed and fasted but with pius and religious intentions not of Christ. Anyone that discredits tithe here is also discrediting fasting since Christ was talking about the heart in which this was done and not the act.


Also, since Christ said in Matthew 23:23:[/b]

3. 23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

I really do not know what the issue is here.



4. Matthew 5:20:For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

The Pharisees had self righteousness, Christ desires us to be righteous by faith, therefore, let our works be backed by faith and we should not work by works alone.




Can someone please explain what Paul was getting at in the scriptures below?

1. 2 Corinthians 11:8-10
8I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.

9And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself.

Since you  do not assist in the work of the ministry, others are and are getting blessed. Wonder why you are getting traumatised over this.


2. 1 Corinthians 9:11-14
11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?
   But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

Which scripture did you think Paul got the commandment from the Lord that those that preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel? And it was a right?!


Since a host of the 'things' given in the OT were offerings for atonement and all, which have been abolished because Christ has died and there is no need for such atonements, what are the other 'things' of the altar (as in the old testament) that those that preach the gospel have a right to?

Joagbaje,
there are somethings you say that sound really shocking till with the influence of the Holy Spirit, i tend to get what you mean.
I must say that you have the Word, some of it might still need to display better knowledge but you are doing good.

However, i blame you for allowing some of what is happening to you here. Preach the word of God! If the Lord is using to heal the sick, praise the Lord!
Just ensure that you remain a worthy tool in his hands and May the Lord help you to be faithful to Him.

Stop responding to these critics who are just hypocrites and pharisees.

They don't know their purpose in life and that is why they have taken up the purpose of the devil which is to accuse the brethren and negatively, maliciously criticise while not providing any better gospel or advice themselves. Have you not noticed?

A poster Ucheokuchi or something comes online, shares the word and thats it. We that are getting blessed know ourselves

You don't need to prove anything to anyone. That is the work of the Holy Spirit and thats why you are encountering these 'sorrows'. After I realised that there seemed to be noway to speak to these bunch even with scriptures, i let off. The Holy Spirit will take control.

Dont get sucked into the traps they have been setting to derail every good thing U are doing. That's my advise to you. Open threads, speak the Word and let it be!

Joagbaje, thanks for the word. Service to God is important with our walk with Him. I would advise that you keep on the gospel of Christ's word and do not be distracted by those who never see anything good in the church and who spend their time criticising or initiative threads that don't spread the gospel. May the Lord grant you wisdom.

@harakiri ,
These are the kind of questions that the potential buyers will ask you when they plan to buy the house?
A house that is sinking to this level of almost covering the whole bottom floor shows that its a 'quick-sand' land. This is the first time I can say land 'depreciates'
Do you have better property in other areas like Magodo, Ikeja, Ogudu etc?

If people like Kunleoshob and his ilk come here to always find things to say about men of God or twist the scriptures, they have to be held up to their words.
This same Kunle has said he is a follower of Paul yet he is now saying Paul is a 'mere servant of Jesus' and hence Paul's words do not weigh.

Did Jesus, who spoke to the Pharisees on tithe, not also say they should focus on mercy, justice and failthfulness? Are you saying he only meant that to be practiced by pharisees?

He also spoke to a pharisee about being born again:

John 3:7
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Are you saying being born again is meant for pharisees alone?

When he spoke to the Samaritan woman by the well, was he only speaking to the woman by the well and not to other Christians?

John 4:21
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

You ought to be embarrased at this level of your folly.

Kunle, you have continuously entangled yourself in the web of lies that you wove yourself into. I only question you based on the very statements you make and you cannot even make a good defence.
I can see that you shallow and you interprete scriptures based only for your benefit and while at it you try to bring others down with you.
The letter truly killeth!
It seems you never called your father 'daddy or father'. Go and read up and pray for the Holy Spirirt to explain what Jesus meant by the statement ' do not call anyone father on earth'.

KunleOshob:
, if you are not happy with it go jump off a sky scrapper and make the world a better place instead of joining those spreading the poisonous doctrine,

And to think these very words are coming from a self-acclaimed perfect 'christian' who is 'holy'. All because you cannot defend the lies you have been spreading. I don't need to descend to the level in which you have put yourself, resorting to abuse. By their fruits, we know them.

This thread was to wish the man of God (who you have continuously abused on other threads) a happy birthday, what did you come here to do but to act on the evil in your heart and derail the thread.
May God forgive you.

KunleOshob:
@snowwy
Was the type of tithing which was directed to those under the law which Jesus okayed for the pharisees which was agricultural produce the same as the fraudulently manipulated one preached today?

KunleOshob:
Christianity today is based primarily on the teaching of Jesus christ, even Paul's teachings were based on christ's teachings.

@KunleOshob,
My questions beg an answer. Don't try to dodge it. Answer it first then we can proceed.
You misquoted Hebrews 7 to mean that tithe was abolished based on Paul's teachings meanwhile Jesus said we should not leave it undone.
You are therefore weighing the words in a bible on a scale.
Please answer my question, whose teaching is right? Since you say that Paul's teaching is based on Christ's teaching and Jesus said that tithing should NOT BE LEFT UNDONE (he did not abolish it) it means that all your arguments on tithe being 'heretic' is false and we should therefore flee people like you.
You quote scriptures according to your whims and caprices.

@Kunleoshob,
so what are you saying concerning the words of Paul? Christianity today is based on the death/resurrection of Jesus and the teachings of Paul by the Holy Spirit. The church led by Papa Adeboye (who this thread was opened for) preaches tithe which Christ said should not be left undone while dwelling on the weightheir matters of the law which include justice, mercy and faithfulness.
However, any argument you have on tithe is based on your interpretation of Paul's words in Hebrews 7 of which you said Paul stated that it has now been abolished (I had to bring this up since you have a campaign against tithe).
So since Jesus is the final undiluted and unchangeable authority, why have you been disputing His word on tithe?
Pls be consistent, this is for the benefit of all those viewing this thread.

KunleOshob:
What do you want me to explain? Jesus is the final undiluted and unchangeable authority, paul was inspired by the holy spirit even though he still had his human limitations, theirt words obviously don't carry the same weight

@Joagbaje,
Thanks for the clarification. So you mean that in the new convenant, Paul functioned. I think you should always expantiate when you give such posts for clarity of the public as it took me a few mins to get what you meant.

@Kunleoshob,
I need your explanation since almost all your views on nairaland are hinged on Paul's words.

Joagbaje:
@kunleoshob
Jesus christ of nazareth didn't function in the new testament. If you must grow out of babyhood, listen to paul.

Sorry?!
Joagbaje,
kindly explain what you mean?


Oh I get it! but Joagbaje this needs to be rephrased asap as you did not present it well. It is hanging,
I guess you meant after His death, he did not 'function' in human form. Well He functioned through the Holy Spirit but not as a 'man' in human flesh.
However, correct me if you have a different interpretation.

KunleOshob:
I quoted our lord and saviour Jesus christ who is the final authority in heaven and on earth and you are quoting apostle Paul who was merely his servant. I am not suprised as you have demonstrated on a consistent basis that you would rather obey Oyaks than obey the word of God.

I happened to see your post here kunle and could not help but wonder how you picked this.
In related arguments we have had, we have quoted Jesus Christ but you have always told us that you followed the early church led by Paul. So how come this statement all of a sudden?

Kunle, you really need to explain yourself here please as I do not know what you are implying.

Happy Birthday Sir! I pray for more aunction from above and may you fulfill your God-given ministry and purpose in life.

@bayodapo ,
I guess you have given a good summary.

@Pastor AIO,
Name-calling again . I just laugh because it shows you cannot have a civil discussion. All your responses do not do justice to the comments you referred to. Sorry.

I do not have cause to resort to abusing your username to prove my point. 

few words of advise:
- Just make sure the 'spirit' that is leading you is the Holy Spirit and try not to generalise.
- If you take time off criticising and spend more time edifying, it will be far better and do more good. Critics hardly do better than those they criticise most times
- when scriptures are given to prove a point and all you say is 'it is a lie' then you need to check yourself.

I have said you are entitled to your own opinion, why are you hurt?
'Cos all I can see from your post is someone that is pained. If what I have posted, with biblical references, is not enough explanation then it is alright, depend on 'your spirit' to lead you.

@Pastor AIO,
It seems there is no use having an objective discussion with you.

1. I said 'that is where you are wrong' because you answered the question yourself 'I can bet you none.'

2. You should refer the question to Alexleo not me since he mentioned the churches. You seem to generalise alot.

3. Don't blame anyone for your 'understanding in only one way'. I gave you three  scriptural backings which you decided to ignore.
    Good you don't fellowship with devils. I think we should check who the devil is amongst them then.

4. The break you took did not seem to help as you are back squabbling again since you refuse to look at things according to the scriptures.

5. The people gave joyfully. Someone obviously started it and others followed suit and that is why the story of Ananias and Saphira came about.
   We give joyfully, I did not need a pastor to preach to me about tithe/giving. I was convinced by the scriptures.

6. It's no fabrication as I am actually in the welfare committee in my church doing good. What good are you doing where you fellowship? Criticising every good work in the body of Christ? I cannot see that 'office' in the bible.

So Pastor AIO, there is no need to squabble, I have tried to have an objective discussion with you (without name calling-which you have been doing on some of your posts) but since you have decided to have a mindset/subjective opinion, then all i can say is that you are entitled to it.
Cheers!

Pastor AIO:
I do not rise to defense of any 'brother' here. I rise to the defense of the TRUTH. It would indeed seem that we differ on the point of tithe. It is probably not the only thing that we will differ on, what is wrong with that. It seems to be tickling you. Otherwise why are you grinning like monkey.

Any gathering in the name of christ whether it is of two people or more is a church. It is a fellowship, an assembly. Church shouldn't mean the corrupting degenerate corporations which do not practice a single thing that is recognizably christian.

You should study better what christian fellowship is about. You yourself quoted acts:

Now tell me, in which one of the churches that Alexleo mentioned, or that you go to, do they devote themselves to the breaking of bread. In which of your churches to people come together to eat in Christ bound fellowship? I can bet you none. All that goes on is pep talk, and psychological feel good rhetoric. and then some singing and clapping and some staged theatrics. And of course the climax of the whole affair is donation time. That is when the music really starts swinging. Tithing time, to the beat everybody!

@Pastor AIO,
That is where you are wrong.
Breaking bread has different meanings as seen from the scriptures below. Christians come together to 'break bread' just as Jesus did in the verse below in holy communion. Also there are programmes where Christians come to hear the word of God and are fed. Beyond that when fellowship is done in homes too, food is served sometimes.

Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

Acts 2:44-47 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

Acts 20:7 
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.


So I don't know what you mean by picking on that scripture only. What do you have to say about the others scriptures I quoted in the post? Nothing?

[b]While you claim to look for a church like the time of Paul, you forget that these people sold their possessions and brought the proceeds to the feet of the apostles.
Yet you complain about tithe. Have you done what they have done? Is that not where the scripture also came:

Acts 6: 1-4
1 In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Hellenistic Jews[a] among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food. 2 So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, “It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables. 3 Brothers and sisters, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them 4 and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word.”[/b]

There is the welfare arm in most churches so you can decide to join one, since you have the passion, if you decide to go to 'church'.
Cheers

KunleOshob:
@snowwy
Can you comprehend english at all I already went to lenghts to explain my position to you yet you are still asking silly questions. As i said earlier the preaching of tithes as compulsary or mandatory for christians is manipulative and fraudulent. It is the manipulative and abusive preaching by pastors i speak out against and not christians who decided on their own volition decide to give towards the work of the gospel. Pastors are duty bound to speak the truth ad let their congregation know the truth about tithes. And tithing the way it is preached today is fraudulent. if a pastor lets his members know that it is not compulsary or mandatory but still encourages them to give a certain percentage of their income then he is in order but as long as it is preached as compulsary or mandatory it remains a fraud.

Thank you Kunle.
So now tithing is ok as long as it is not compulsory or mandatory right? That is good, at least now I have a good idea of your opinion.

Pastor AIO, its seems Kunle and you differ on the point of tithe as he has cleared my misconception. He says tithing is ok as long as its not compulsory or mandatory and any pastor (pray tell us which church this 'pastor' is as Kunle is yet to mention a church yet)who encourages his members to give a certain percentage (it could be 10% or even 90%) of their income is in order.

@Enigma/Pastor AIO ,
you seem to rise to defense of your 'brother' often. I guess you guys do not see anything wrong in his posts or words just as you claim believers see nothing wrong in their pastors. I have known Kunle to always dodge when asked questions, he hides behind people like you.

If you both tell me you do not attend church then I will understand why you talk the way you do.
If you think that standing aloof is the best form of your new religion then fine but as long as more people are added to the body of Christ, you cannot remove a specific place to assemble for fellowship and that is how we grow.

Hebrews 10:24.  And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25.  not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

1 John 2:18.  Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19.  They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

3 John 1:9.  I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us. 10.  Therefore, if I come, I will call to mind his deeds which he does, prating against us with malicious words. And not content with that, he himself does not receive the brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church.

They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching
and to the fellowship,
to the breaking of bread and to prayer." Acts 2: 40-42

Acts 2:1 The Holy Spirit Comes at Pentecost When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent.



Kunle,
You cannot swallow your words now. Have I not shown you:

Any church that preaches the fraudulent doctrine of tithe as mandatory or compulsary' is different from 'Any church that preaches tithe as mandatory or compulsary preaches a fraudulent doctrine'

'the churches you okayed also preach this fraudulent doctrine as mandatory/compulsary' is not the same as 'the churches you okayed also preach tithe as mandatory/compulsary are fraudulent'

So you should be the one to understand English better, stop misleading people and hiding behind the play of words.

KunleOshob:
Any church that preaches the fraudulent doctrine of tithe as mandatory or compulsary for christians is corrupted and NOT preaching the true message of God. God would not dwell in a church were his children are being fleeced.

@Alexleo
the churches you okayed also preach this fraudulent doctrine as mandatory/compulsary so they can't be as good as you try to make them out to be.

Kunle,
The above is just one and I will not bother going to pull previous posts where you have said it is fraudulent as it's on other threads on nairaland. So this is not a matter of misunderstanding you. You have said it time and time again. And to add, you have qualms that people give to church at all, as to you, you see it as 'enriching the thieving MOGs'.


Now to the first question, please show us where to worship since, as you claim, most churches are 'fraudulent'.

AIO,
Thanks for making your stand clear.

Kunle Oshob,
Please show us the right church we should attend since all churches are fraudulent to you.
I am sure lots of people on Nairaland await your response.

I have also noticed you are never consistent. You say you agree with Alexleo's post were he says there is nothing wrong with using money to give tithe.
Yet you say tithe is fraudulent! Why do you keep shifting the goal post? It seems you only make comments based based on your feelings.