₦airaland Forum

Odunayaw:
Immigration Service? they look tight! Considering Cameroon genderams occasional folly and run ins with smugglers and rustlers/boko every other day it is very needed.

Hopefully they have protected mobility. See opportunities for kitting industry and proforce folds arms over head

These guys don't know how to do business. Defense companies are expanding their reach and I expect that from them.

Porsche can't musk it.

frumentius:
We only operate it on our naval platforms, and have sold it to the Finland and Algeria Navies. The Army partly funded the ground platform and will take it into service when funds allow. In the meantime, SAAB's been so impressed they signed a deal with Denel to pair it with the SAAB AMB Giraffe radar. So countries in favour with the West will get it as Denel Umkhonto + SAAB Giraffe; and those out of favour will get the completely SA solution of Denel Umkhonto + Reutech radar.

Just like the Paramount AHRLAC: US-approved clients get AHRLAC + Boeing Mission System; non-ITAR get AHRLAC + Paramount Mission System - same one on Airbus military systems.

Thanks, so what's the current main ADS being used by SANDF?

frumentius:
"By deception we wage war"; "be-tachbūlōt ta`aseh lekhā milchāmāh"; (Hebrew: בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה‎).

Until recently this was Mossad's motto. Nothing's changed, it seems.
Now it appears we may get UN approval to sell Umkhonto GBADS to Iran, suddenly stories appear about terror plots involving Palestinians, Iran and South Africa.

I'll end this with another quote:

"Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first we start to deceive."

How many of these does SANDF operate?

slimthugchimee:
Any news on the ARA?

some unit were delivered.

fufubear:
Or send them to proforce for up armoring. It could make a very good hikux replacement and increase the value of both Proforce and Innoson.

Innoson already planned on acquiring amoring technology. She won't want to give such job to Proforce.


It's a challenge to proforce. They really messed up already and I hope they wake up into developing more vehicles.

A company that has been stucked on a particular model for months and years arghhh.

bidexiii:
#Innoson Military Jeeps.

Innoson should make them into something like the Humvees and armor then into a good standard.

Covert1:
Apparently the Army is rooting for local production of Armoured Fighting Vehicles and they see that possibility in partnership with Innoson having proven their vehicles in the harsh-lands of Borno. It doesn't necessarily have to be your posh and expensive imported brand that doesn't meet expectations but something in the profile of what has been proven only this time tailored to unique NA specifications for the sort of AFV it requires for the combat theatre in question. That appears to be the thinking and I'm all for patronizing our own especially for items like this.

Normally such deal appears to be the forte of PROFORCE but perhaps there's a division of labour here with the MRAPS expected to come from the factory in the SW or just smart lobbying from Innoson or more than meets the eye for National Security. The fact is that Chukwuma guy is our own Howard Hughes and he can do just about anything on budget and on time. He's a genius and should be protected by State Security. The Army Chief understands the rudiments and instruments of national power and I think his judgement along with his top brass must be well informed.

Like I have always said, innoson seems good at marketing and getting that attraction than proforce. I don't know if money is the issue with proforce but they're just taking things slowly.

Innoson keeps attracting the military even more than proforce. This is nice, let see how fast innoson can make some units of MRAPS. Apart from the APC from proforce, the ARA is another huge project but seems really too slow for me. They need to have rolled out more tactical vehicles.


Innoson has partnership with different Chinese companies and won't have issues developing a well tactical vehicle way faster than proforce. I have suggested Proforce works with companies such as Denel and integrate some sensors and nice fire power configurations on the ARA to boost her business.

Covert1 did I just see innoson and AFV in the same sentence?

Algerian1:
you can donwload the US Excess Defense Articles (EDA) public report for all coutries here http://www.dsca.mil/programs/excess-defense-articles-eda ( an Excel document )


pic US Excess Defense Articles (EDA) for nigeria

Thanks!

Xbee007:
I don't blame him anyway. He just got tired of the whole failed promises. It was literally like living in dreamland. Always hopelessly hoping Nigeria would get this and that while other countries were living our dream. Could you believe that Nigeria has been chasing after the Super Tucano since forever?
Beegeagle had the medium and the audience but lacked real content. Nigeria Defense Acquisition was supposed to be his source of information but the lull in activities means you can only push long enough before running out of juice. Maybe he will reconsider if JF-17 and the Tucano arrives and I hope he does.

Even if he reconsiders, he lost the attention already. Beegeagle could have been a good way on getting DHQ attention under this new administration.

Trust me no matter what you say about defence acquisitions now, I'm sure DHQ now considers one as a noise maker.

Algerian1:
Check what moroccan Army get from US Excess Defense Articles (EDA) program from 2011 to 2016

419 M113 A3
70 M-109 A5 Howitzer
200 M1A1 tanks
91 M1060 Mortar Carrier with 120 mm mortar
50 M577 Command Post Carrier
more than 200 tank trucks LET M915 A3 & M916 A3 and heavy HET M1070 & M1000
Machine Gun M60 , M240 A/B/C , M249, Grenade Launcher for M16 or type Mk-19 ,and rifles M-16 A1/A2/A3/A4
HUMVEEs and utility trucks
ect...

Any link to that page?

MikeCZA:
Are you ready to sell your soul to the..............

All of a sudden the small population of shi.......as would be oppressed in your country and BOOOM BOOM!!!!

Haha Nooo. I mean something like we having the money to spend ourself. Like maintaining a GDP of up to $500B and allocating a good percentage for defence.

bidexiii:
#Egyptian army has acquired a large fleet of Chinese-made UAVs, after contracting on Wing Long-2 and the CH-5 rainbow drones .

Wish we've got the money too.

bidexiii:
The development of Ras Al Tin Marine Base, & establishment of the largest submarine hangar in the Middle East, to make the base the HQ of Egypt's Northern Fleet Also to participate in securing the newly discovered gas fields .

Wow beautiful pictures.

frumentius:
Translation please, I can only do 4 and a half languages.

By October 2017, the China - Pakistan joint project Jf17 block 3 entered into its preliminary stage .This includes how to draw the design of each system, down to the optimal capability... The team in the picture are the one doing that.

Nice. Quadcopter has always been an easy thing to build.

frumentius:
Except for the fact that this was a ceremonial escort by the Egyptian Air Force when Putin's jet entered Egyptian air space for the state visit .
The 3 conditions when this is done in the modern era:
1) The only legitimate one - there's a threat;
2) I'm trying to sell you something - i.e. France welcoming Fattah Sisi with an escort of the same jets they're selling to Egypt;
3) I'm a vassal grovelling to my liege - i.e. Egypt scraping before Putin after the US temporarily suspended military aid -as in the pic;
or the pic below: Pakistan bowing to the Chinese Premier for letting them assemble the FC-1 in Pakistan and call it the JF-17.

I have seen the video of the JF17 escorting the Chinese President.

At your caption I haven't seen pictures of PK officials at the official launching of jf17s.

MicheyJ1:
I know EFCC would not pay the money. But the good thing is they would spend money on lawyers, spend time going to court and they will loose further credibility. Because they are at wrong in this particular case.

They won't spend any money on lawyers. They actually have some employed under their legal dept same with the Nigerian police.

NwaChibuzor13:
I don't think the fighter jets will keep up with the pace of the aircraft. What they'll do is circle round and round to keep up. But this is crazy tho. Military escort even in the air. Dope

They will. The aircraft can do over 700km/h and then something to around 430km/h later on while in the Egyptian airspace while getting close to the airport so the aircraft should have no problem maintaining such speed.

SupremeCourt:
It was not a test o, Mokopa had been certified and exported to Algeria before that demo. It was another export sale effort that failed. If Algeria had requested such demo they will never buy Mokopa waste money. I mean no harm, but truth is bitter.

Read my comment again carefully, I said "Mission failure", that demo Mokopa strike was failed mission for that objective. You be Denel engineer to confirm they solved Mokopa's chronic poor precision problems? I stated facts of published event, but you reply with imagined assumption, LOL bro! Courts dont over-rule real events with imagination now, haba! Nigerian Egyptian marshals generals saw Mokopa demo strike failure and ran back home to order Russian precision guided missiles immediately. If na you nko, o ni sare escape like Ferrari sport car abi?

Bro, e je ki a ma Rora. Kiniyi ma da ija si le ni o. Ti boboyen ba binu tan bayii, gbogbo thread yii ma daaru. Ati wo inu oodun titun. Odunayaw ni yio je fun wa o Amin

SupremeCourt:
Am SupremeCourt, look elsewhere for your Augustine giving you nightmares. Your comment is 300 words long, too much for this photo thread, take it away to discussion thread, stop making unwanted arguments here.

Denel RSA Mokopa missile explodes only on impact, so missing target = exploding inside sand = zero effect on enemy = 100% mission failure totally missing the easiest ready made target the world can offer in demo. Tucano APKWS has kill ratio 93%.
End of discussion.

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..but a failure during a test doesn't equate to a complete failure. Whatever caused the failure woukd definitely have been addressed before mass production.

Algerian1:
Algerian Mi 26 T2 in Rustov russia , flight test before delivry

december 31, 2017

Any picture of our MI-35M

She's not yet an officer.

Mr, Buhari doesn't use a Maybach. He uses a S550 4matic series.


Moreover, Jonathan was making use of the latest car in his regime while Buhari is also doing the same. The present car being used by Buhari is a 2015 series upward which was not available during Jonathan regime. Jonathan in his regime made use of the latest model too.


The previous vehicles still stays in Buhari's convoy. It's visible in the fourth picture.

iblawi:
What will you do with all this? Your dream is not a good one believe me. Nigeria shouldn't get more than 6 squadrons of fighter jets.

2 squadron of Su30
2 squadron of F16 / Gripen E/F
2 squadron of JF17

This will give Nigerian Air Force the flexibility of weapon procurement from west, Chinese and Russians at any moment.

The funniest part is we can end up getting F16 but won't be of a good specification. Probably a base model.


JF17 is okay for us but we obviously need another aircraft to compliment it which is where the flankers or Mig 35 should come in.

In a country where disciplinary actions are being taken serious, she'll be weeping by now.

nemesis4u:
ur sources for the above ? its new to me

AFAIK block 3 was always on the anvil years back , what was new was coming around of the 2 seater courtesy of the Burmese requirement.

anyways there r no friends among nations only opportunities

Once there's opportunity there's friendship. Maybe we can find some between nigeria and India at least there's something similar between the two nation ( voodoo and witchcrafts) then we can get some free flankers from you.

MikeCZA:
F16, Rafale and the Mig 35 serve different roles.

We'd have a similar set in many African air forces if we had the funds.

F16 and Rafale will perform same task well. Yes, that's my point exactly funds.

Pakistan has the money to spend just like her best friend India with various jets. Once you have the money, you'll play the game well.

Nemesis4u,

barineh:
Name some Fighters the Jf17 is better than?

Name some things that makes the jf17 inferior to others. At least let us be on the technical aspect.

In your comparison, kindly make use of the block 2 and 3 variants.

barineh:
They tried to get some F16 but the US refused to subside it. https://thediplomat.com/2016/03/pakistan-wants-10-more-f-16s-or-does-it-want-russian-su-35s/

Getting f16 doesn't mean the jf17 isn't good. Egypt operates F16, Rafale, Mig 35 etc.

It's your choice plus they have a huge other for their own JF17.

nemesis4u:
the real reason is

Americans cut off the sale of F16 , they did not subsidize the last sale of 10 f16 , and the ....... did not have the funds so it was cancelled.

J10 sale has not be cleared for export till date plus it is a single engine jet same as FC1 so why get another SE jet ?

............... r now negotiating for twin engined J31 - another joint development like FC1

China and Pakistan trade will never be like china and any other nation.

China was willing to sell to Pakistan. Maybe not cleared to export to any other nation. China offered J10B to Pakistan and a deal was signed which ended up being cancelled in favour of the JF17 block 3. Reason why it was cancelled has nothing to do with being a single engine.