debosky:

Don't be daft - 4 were DRAWS. Is Rafa now celebrating DRAWS against Arsenal  

You won twice - I gave refereeing decisions as affecting the CL win. Or are you dyslexic and can't read my posts  

2. After the 6-3 win? You have only won ONCE in the league since the 6-3 defeat, and in one of the draws, we played with 10 men. Rafa is a genius but he can't beat a team playing with 10 men for almost an hour?  

3. Beat Chelski after two years?   Two years to learn how to beat your rival is now 'quickly'?  

@ Tkb

We don get that formula for years now. We'll do the double over y'all every two seasons. You are due another Adebayoric 1-0 loss at OT from us.  

But we beat you twice, which gives two more than you've managed. Arsenal just crawled into 4th on goal difference, don't you think you should vent in an Everton or Aston Villa thread? And before you start crying ala Wenger style, EVERY team gets decisions go against them. If Gerrard's goal hadn't been wrongly ruled out as an offside against Stoke, Liverpool would just be 1 point behind UTD. But they'll never mention it. Arsenal kids should grow up.

I've gotta log off now, but I'll miss you arrogant lot!

debosky:

The reason Arsenal didn't beat Rafa in those six attempts are clearly due to refereeing bias.

Denying Hleb a clean penalty at the Emirates in the CL Q-final first leg, and the DUBIOUS at best penalty awarded against Kolo in the second leg. Without those two egregious refereeing mistakes, Rafa would have lost BOTH legs.

No matter, we will beat you at Anfield to end the story and resume normal service.  

Learned fast indeed that he got thrashed a few days later by the same team? Sounds like slow learning to me.

How many years did it take Rafa to learn how to beat Chelski in the league??

There was no 'tactical' masterstroke by Benitez.

Man Utd simply made the same errors that hadn't been punished by Newcastle, Inter and Blackburn. With better aware players, those mistakes were PUNISHED. Simple.

There is nothing 'tactical' in looping a long ball from defence to your strikers to try to get down - it's desperation at best.

1. Wow! Six Refs loving Liverpool, Rafa's the man!

2. Read my post again. 'After the 6-3 win'

3. Beat Chelsea after 2 yrs in the league(not been beaten by them in the EPL since [b]6-1[/b]agg) and 0 yrs in the UCL.

Loving this.

@ SAURON and TBK417
Awwww! How nice. What a lovely couple!

tkb417:


is there any other option for Rafa apart from Torres and Gerrard upfront

merely answered that question, didn't I? Keane and Yossi still molested Vidic that day. A few months later, Torres and gerrard abused him. He yelped and got two red cards for his troubles. Poor fellow must have nightmares of Torres, Gerrard and Keane running circles around him!

Please reply, i'm enjoying rubbing it in!!

tkb417:

S-A-U-R-O-N
can you help me get this dude outta here plsss

is there any other option for Rafa apart from Torres and Gerrard upfront
i knew before Jan1 2009 that if we are ever gonna play Pool, those guys will lead the attack
will Rafa honestly play another set of players against UTD?

Sauron must be your boyfriend or something.

If I recall Rafa used a forward line of Keane and later Babel to beat UTD at Anfield. So the answer is YES! I also recall Alonso and Yossi playing. Use your head before you hit that keyboard.

coded guy:

Exactly ma point, they Liverpool need a player sent off be4 they can do damage to UNITED.

Is that the tactics or a coincidence?

Or are you saying Rafa's tactics was to tell the ref to give Vidic a red.

1, First goal, vidic made a school boy error, it led to a goal.

2, Vidic pulled Gerrards shirt, the ref saw it as a red card offence which he punished.
Are you saying these are Rafa's tactics??

At last some educated argument. Rafa mentioned before the game that he knew UTD defenders had problems with pacy players running behind them and that they defended very high up the ptch. So he opted for Liverpool's quickest players Torres and Gerrard to partner up-front. And it paid off. Vidic was shaken by Torres running behind him for the first goal and HAD to foul Gerrard for the 3rd. Between those, Gerrard's run also forced Evra to make a late challenge for the second goal. Every team has weaknesses. For Liverpool, its breaking down very defensive teams.

tkb417:




can you remember when Arsenal dealt with Liverpool domestically and when they got to europe Arsenal were at the receiving end?
you dont know ur footie boi
UTD can beat liverpool tmr 4-1 at Anfield!!!
what happened was just a game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more games will still come

Now let me teach you some 'footie', that Arsenal thing you alluded to happened like this; In 06/07 Rafa flunked his tactics and Arsenal punished him in both the FA Cup and the Carling cup in one week. Now listen, after this he got things right and beat them 4-1 (familiar scoreline?) at Anfield. Since that 06/07 loss, he's met Arsenal 6 times, winning 2 and securing 4 draws. So what on earth are you talking about?

I wish you'd just admit you were inferior to Liverpool on that day rather than inferior to the Manchester United of former days.

tkb417:

the more u try to defend this, the more stupid u sound.
we lost that game because Vida and co went to sleep. It wasnt because of any tactics. If vida and co had played well, the same tactics ure hailing wouldnt count. tactics count when the 2 teams are into each other with minimal errors ala Barca and UTD last season. Barca will never claim losing that game due to mistakes/defensive errors but tactical inefficiency.

In the game with Pool, with the way we played, UTD would have lost 4-1 with Onigbinde on Pools bench.
so cut ur 'tactical baloney'.
say it to the marines!

People like you never learn and that comment in bold letters there paints the picture of a clown. people that write insults on threads are cowards in life. Again you use a UTD-Barca  example. Don't you watch any other team? The sun must rise out of Fergie's ass for you.  My mates here are laughing their bollocks off!


@ coded guy

Vidic had a bad day at Anfield earlier in the season too and got sent-off, remember? Doesn't it seem strange to you that he saved his two bad days this season against the same team? Or is it possible that Rafa knows how to unsettle him? Tactics my friend. This is not Pro Evo Soccer. Also use facts, not smileys.

debosky:

Rafa genius? That same season we beat them 3-0 at the Emirates without even breaking a sweat.

Liverpool were good on the night, nothing more.

And that was the last time Arsenal beat Liverpool. A genius realizes his errors and learns fast. Wenger hasn't beaten Rafa in 6 attempts since that 6-3 result. Use your head.

very good. You have played into ma hands
i have this post on tape. You mess up againts UTD once, you'll never hear the last from me
cos according to this line, UTD will never be able to beat Liverpool so long Benitez and SAF are involved
nice one.

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Do you have a reading problem as well? I said that IF Fergie doesn't correct his tactics, Liverpool would beat them again and the same goes for Chelsea. Is it REALLY that difficult to understand?

tkb417:

nah!lets talk about the 5 goals we scored against you

i think the disallowed one was the best.
what do you think idiot?

what have you said?
u just stated plainly what they dont do usually
how do you translate that?
THEY DID WHAT THEY WOULDNT DO NORMALLY
so how that became the yardstick to measure UTD beats me
or are you saying if we play Pool again, they'll beat us?

see beyond the game. have you started watching footie when Real lost 8-3 aggr?

Debosky
so Torres mad Vida throw the ball in the net? how come Barca/Messi couldnt do that at OT?
they just didnt play well. The game against Newcastle was there for all to see
we could have lost that game.

The game of footie is all about the tactics of the day. The wrong tactics make good teams look poor while suitable tactics make good teams look like world-beaters. if you asked ANY Manchester United player which match they would rather win than any other, they'll all say its this. So what are the odds of [b]THIS[/b] important match being their poorest in the EPL for 17 years? And what are the odds of them getting beaten by the same team twice after going a goal up on each occasion? The answer my friend is TACTICS. The constructive thing anyone should do is ask where Rafa got it right over Chelsea, Real and Manchester United (home and away) using various team-setups.

What annoys most is the fact that you guys NEVER see anything good in other teams. And thats why fans from other clubs are having a good laugh. And please don't compare Liverpool with Barcelona; they are two very different teams. FINALLY to answer your question, I'm sure that if fergie does not come up with the right tactics, drawing Liverpool will be the biggest thing that hits Manchester United this season. Trust me on this, Rafa has Chelsea and Manchester United codes all deciphered.

Lloyd~Iy:

If a team keeps record and some other - that cannot keep record - comes to break it, how does that affect them? If VDS clean sheet + victories record was not broken it wouldn't have made any difference, because he already has that record. Therefore if Man Utd lost 1-0 the record will still be broken. Like switch said it only gives them the opportunity to throttle down and finish at the trophies.

Reina has won three consecutive Barclay's Golden Glove Awards (Highest no of clean sheets) prior to this season. Of course you never knew that; he doesn't play for the Mancs.

tkb417:

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You playing a good team and ure making school boi errors? nah, ull get roasted!!
even after our Milan game at OT, SAF made it clear what we did were synonymous with suicide.
seeing the clips is just an exercise in futility cos u dont wanna tell me Vida will do what he did on that day or Carrick will be so wasteful with passes and blah blah blah. You dont well, you dont deserve to win

It has nothing to do with Pool or Benitez, its UTD. They havnt been playing well.

You really can't see beyond the mancs, can you? I mean-

getting beat by a team twice in a season,(Agg 6-2)

Vidic having his worst game,

Carrick 'choosing' to give the ball away cheaply and frequently,

Ronaldo avoiding the ball like the plague and not getting close enough to the penalty area for an Olympic dive,

Evra mis-timing his tackles,

Clean-sheet VDS opting to let in 4 goals in a match and

Fergie running into a hole and refusing to give his post-game comments HAD NOTHING to do with the opposition. After all, it happens in training sometimes. In fact, Liverpool just stood still while Vidic kicked the ball off them and into VDS goal!

You really should learn to appreciate the game of football. I have a feeling I know more about Manchester United than you do to be honest.

tkb417:

we'll get another stuffing if we dont play well
if we do, the reverse will be the case.

Now that's the thing! Your not playing well could be determined by the opposition. You'd agree with me when I say that Saturday's performance wasn't your worst. Other teams are said to have been defeated while walking through the tunnels of Old Trafford. I feel teams in the UCL (especially) will be studying that match critically because as Benitez said earlier, that team has weaknesses coping with quick attackers. Its a pity Wenger's been waxing lyrical about how 'untouchable' the mancs are.

I'm a level-headed Liverpool fan and while I'll be the first to admit that the Mancs will lift the EPL trophy, I can't understand why the fans can't accept defeat graciously. All I hear is that they had an off-day, same thing I heard when Liverpool broke Chelsea's home record and broke another with Real's biggest defeat in the UCL and their first (and only)defeats since last year.

I respect Manchester United BUT I cant believe they would want to face Liverpool in the UCL. What makes you think it'll be any different? Real Madrid's president declared before the 1st leg that they would beat Liverpool 4-0 over the 2 legs and that got the reds charged up. A magazine was released on Saturday morning with VDS and Vidic on its front page in Manchester with an exclusive on 'The Secret of their Impenetrable Defence' and Rooney was so sure of victory that he made the most childish comments ever.

My point is; don't be like the proud Chelsea under Mourinho, respect other teams OR you'll get another stuffing!!

switch47:

NA WHO WIN CUP/SILVERWARE SABI PLAY!! IT IS A MARATHON THING NOT SPRINT--------AND THAT IS WHAT GIVES THE BETTER TEAM THE TITLE!! LAST LAST MANCHESTER UNITED WILL GET THE TITLE SO WHO CARES IF liverpool wins 100-0

I feel the big deal is that its the biggest match in England and I dare-say Europe. Throw in the “facts” that United had not previously lost a home game for more than a year, in the intervening months had become English, European and world champions and Liverpool had not won by such a margin at Old Trafford since 1936 and Saturday’s final score was almost as improbable as Ronaldo ignoring a mirror!

cabali:

You guys still talking about this match??

no, we're just waiting for the Mancs to stop referring to the 7-1 Roma defeat of 2 seasons ago. By the way, thanks for keeping the thread going!

Lloyd~Iy:

tocdee

Chelsea or Liverpool, possibly Liverpool, has that 4th position slot waiting for them.

With the Arses yet to play at Anfield, Old Trafford plus games against Chelsea and Manchester City (albeit 9 points behind 3rd position), you flatter yourself. Your performance against Blackburn was a one-off. The Roma performance comes to mind. On the other hand, Liverpool have played all the top 8 clubs home and away (save Arsenal) and have the likes of West-Ham and West-Brom to contend with. Arsenal is level with Aston Villa BUT Villa have a much easier run-in of games and you should be more concerned with 4th than 3rd.

Anyway, 3rd, 4th, what's the difference, really?

Loved Gerrard's celebration. Will be used in EPL adverts for years I'm sure. As for Torres,after his goal, he simply raised five fingers to Manc fans (5 Euro Cups you twerps!)

Lloyd~Iy:

Arsenal is coming third this reaso

I'm not too sure what that was about but IF it's what i think it is, then here's an award for the joke of the week

I don't mind the Arses, by the way, and they'll be celebrating Champion's league qualification like the trophy itself by May.

Just had an epiphany.

noooooooooooooo!

Lloyd~Iy:

tocdee


4points or 7points. ManUtd remains on top.

Whatever
I'm sure Rooney's sobbing in the arms of his momma crying, "I hate Liverpool Ma, I hate em, ". The ape-ish hater

noetic:

just like that. . . , their season crumbled.
just like that the untouchables were touched. . . smashed. . . .humiliated and devoured.
just like that their dreams faded. . . .the quintriple dream of the red devils or WOman united.

like lucifer did, they fumbled, they yelled exhibiting pride.

who can play better?,  . they boasted!!!
who can beat us?. . . . . .they yelled!!!
who is better then fergie?. . . . they asked!!!
we are the untouchables. . . . . they proclaimed!!!!
we will win 5 trophies . . . . . . . ,  . they screamed!!!!

and like it happened in heaven, a lightening struck.
Liverpool looked at them and said. . . .u have fumbled in ur heart . , today u will be humbled.
and verily like liverpool said, four goals came calling and the mighty red devils fell and were cast away from all their title hopes.

mark my words. . . . . .ur season has ended.
u r going from defeat to defeat. . ,  . . . up GUNNERS . . . . FA cup and Champions League top contenders.

CLASS!! Except for that 'GUNNERS' bit.

Lloyd~Iy:

I'm not complaining because last 2weeks or so. It was Middlesborough 2 - 0 Liverpool. Arsenal case pathetic. You think is by breaking bridges or spoiling records, when small teams are still laying ambush for you. Everybody loves liverpool but liverpool only loves to play champions league every season ie they play for champions league slots. 7points clear how are they in the title race? My only problem now is all this for 3rd position?

Sour Loser! In that case, Middlesbrough will beat the Mancs 6-2!! Count with me now, Manc is 4 pts clear not 7. Just give credit to whom credit is due; THE REDS!!!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! In your face! you Manc twats! Rooney says he hates Liverpool FC, guess what? They don't care! They flog him still!

HAPPY DAYS

Y.N.W.A

Shi-eeeet!!!!!!!!!!! That ball must be programmed or something

Those rankings are authentic, you can verify from the UEFA official site. Its based as usual on the last 5 years' performance of each team and Sevilla is above man United because they lifted the UEFA cup twice in the given period. That's why AC Milan is still that highly ranked. i

Akatamba:


Do you know the meaning of (The UEFA Champions League?) "The tournament was inaugurated in 1955, at the suggestion of the French sports journalist and editor of L'Équipe Gabriel Hanot,[1] as a continental competition for winners of the European national football leagues, as the European Champion Clubs' Cup, abbreviated to European Cup." The like of, (Real Madrid C.F, F.C. Internazionale Milano, Celtic F.C, FC Bayern Munich, Manchester United F.C., Olympique Lyonnais, Olympiacos F.C. and AFC Ajax) All these above mentioned team are winners of their European national football leagues, therefore Liverpool FC have no right or whatsoever playing The UEFA Cup - let alone The UEFA Champions League. That is one of my reason being for despising your pathetic excuse for a football club!


I despise Liverpool FC for having a penguin look alike manager.


I despise Liverpool FC for being the equivalent of PATHETIC.


Now if you still don't know why[b] i despises[/b] this pathetic excuse for a football club then i would simple advise you to cut losses any connection or whatsoever you have with the beautiful game all together!

This guy is such a baby, no use throwing all your toys out of your cot! Seems like dad bought you a new dictionary with the word 'pathetic' scribbled all over it. Well, we don't care if you love Real Madrid and hate Liverpool BUT don't go giving us crap history. The most important bit of history is that your Real Madrid were given an intensive lesson in defending and attacking yesterday, end of.

While I'm happy for my Red Machine, I feel a bit sorry for Casillas, The guy was immense! Especially with the saves he made to deny Gerrard thrice! Throw in the Skrtel header, the Mascherano shot and the Torres' save, then you'll understand how let-down he must have felt by his club. You'll bounce back! by the way, gerrard's the leading goal scorer with 7 goals though he's missed 2 matches so far through injury. That makes it a total of 16goals from last CL to this. Highest in Europe! And some say he's overated

Akatamba:


Mumu, do you know who you are talking to?

I do not tend to acknowledge people who are as low beneath me as I believe you are. Nothing you say could possibly offend me more than you addressing me personally. Never ever that again!

Are you serious, silly , or just a dull child?

The boys were superb and if you can forget your bias for a second, you'd realize that that was the biggest Real Madrid defeat in their champions League history! No mean feat, trust me.

OFFICIAL: REDS ARE EUROPE'S BEST



Liverpool are the number one team in Europe, according to Uefa's co-efficient ranking system.
Wednesday's famous 1-0 victory over Real Madrid at the Bernabeu propelled the Reds to the top of the official Uefa table for the first time since 1985.

The complicated system ranks clubs on their performances in European competition over the past five years, with points being awarded for matches won and the standard of opposition.

Liverpool top the table with a score of 114.077 points, ahead of Premier League rivals Chelsea, who are in second with 110.077 points.

Arsenal (fifth) and Manchester United (seventh) are the other English teams who occupy a position in the top ten.

The Reds have also amassed the highest points total for the current season with a tally of 18.1775.

Bayern Munich are in second place, while La Liga clubs Barcelona and Atletico Madrid hold joint third position.

UEFA co-efficient rankings:

1 - Liverpool FC (114.077)
2 - Chelsea FC (110.077)
3 - Barcelona (109.403)
4 - AC Milan (109.306)
5 - Arsenal FC (101.077)
6 – Sevilla FC (100.403)
7 - Manchester Utd FC (99.077)
8 - Bayern Munich (93.664)
9 – Olympique Lyonnais (90.576)
10 - Inter Milan (87.306)

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N163404090227-1200.htm

My point is: the manager of the top team is actually the most criticized of them all. Hate; that's what I call it.

**_singing**
I smell a GEEK! Is that you Deep?

Akatamba:

look at this mumu, Luckypool are still pathetic side. (A pathetic excuse for a football club!)

When you get older you'll look at that comment and wonder how silly you were as a kid. A team being lucky at Nou Camp, San Siro, Stamford Bridge and the Bernabeu in 3 consecutive years isn't highly likely is it?

Here's your humble pie and go hate yourself or hit a brick wall for all we care.

Akatamba:

I will not be following any of these two game simple because of that bow legged fool. Nevertheless, I can assure every single one of you peon out there that Real Madrid will make a FOOL of this pathetic excuse for a football club - (Liverpool!)

You realize you just made a FOOL of yourself mate.

Quote-
"To be fair, if Robinho plays like he did against Portsmouth last week, he's the least of our worries. I'd be more concerned about Bellamy, who's scored a couple for City already, and Ireland who's had a very good season. The good thing about Bellamy is that as soon as things don't go his way, he'll start acting all arsey and will probably get booked, which takes a lot out of his game. But I'm confident in our back line, whatever players we put out. As for the middle and up front, I think the match is screaming out for Riera and Benayoun on the flanks, with Torres and Kuyt up top. In the middle, I'd like to see Mascherano holding things together and Lucas being given a freer role to allow him to attack more. One thing for certain is that City's back four are as dodgy as Arsenal this season, so I think Torres will get a lot of joy out of them. Richards is still out, and Dunne is back so that's good news too. Torres will have time to give Shay Given an autograph after scoring by the time Dunne has caught up with him!"

Ripped outta my skull! Couldn't have put it better myself.

Alonso's suspended, but of course Y.N.W.A.