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Yoruba people and indeed black people generally abandon their indigenous gods for foreign gods because they were conquered. When a people is conquered by superior power, the conquered people usually see their conquerors gods, culture, language and everything else as superior.

The yoruba people abandoned eledumare for yahweh and Allah because they were conquered by Yahweh worshipers from the coast and by Allah worshipers from the dessert, and Eledumare was unable to protect them.

8 threads long and Biafrans have not answered the very basic questions of the whole thread. Was Ojukwu interested in ruling Biafra or Nigeria? What were the boundaries of his biafra? And what will he have done if he had taken Lagos - Nigeria's seat of government?

Then talk about this passion of succeeding from Nigeria. When did the Igbos decide that they wanted to leave Nigeria? Was it pre-independence or after independence? As far as I know, the only people that opposited one Nigeria pre-independence were the hausa/fulanis.

When did Ojukwu himself become a believer of succession? Was it before he joined the Nigerian army having been born and bred in the north or after he joined the Nigerian army? How long was he an advocate for Biafra? Because after his exile from ivory coast I never heard him talk of biafra. He was more Nigeria than Biafran and was buried as a Nigeria soldier.

Why did ojukwu not write down his own side of the story for posterity? After all he was highly educated.

I hate to think that the succession idea was a spontaneous reaction to the igbo massacre in the north as a fallout to the coup in January 1966 and the inordinate ambition of Ojukwu.

This is the most stupid thing I have heard.
First how do you define a corrupt person. A person can only be defined as corrupt only by a competent court and not the government.

Secondly an adult siblings of a confirmed corrupt person cannot be punished for the sins of his father, unless he or she is proven to be part of the corruption.

Third and most importantly, most political elites in Nigeria have double citizenship, both nigerian and US or UK citizenship, and most of their children is either living legally in UK or is married to a UK citizen, so how do you deal with them.

The proposal would not pass through judicial scrutiny.

If the British government is really serious about helping Nigeria curb corruption, they should reform their banking system to scrutinized cash transfers originating from Nigeria to ensure it is not stolen funds. because the stolen funds have to pass through British banks.

whitedove: @2good and wirinet, the post says'how much impact does your occupation have on your belief'...mine not yours whatever i say here represent me in totality
i sincerely believe that iam a leader in my field,hence whatever i say holds water.Do you know that one of these so-called proffessor on his dying bed actually retracted some of the lies we were fed with in the name intellectual activities that lack the knowledge of the grand designer that iam talking about?

The bullshît you wrote above gave no indication of how your occupation as a mining engineer has any impact on your beliefs. You just jumbled up lots of unrelated issues to try to bamboozle people with little knowledge of science.

I have never heard that paleontology makes provision for a grand designer. Who are your professors and the university you attended that taught you that there is a grand designer in the field of paleontology?

In fact paleontology is one of the best evidence for evolution and against any grand designer. It is amazing that you can mention grand designer and paleontology in the same sentence. The fact that you believe you are an authority in the this field does not make it true.

What does your cock and bull story about a so-called professor retracting well established scientific theories on his death bed have to do with science? Why don't you provide details of the “lies” that was thaught as scientific knowledge, the professor that did the retracting and what new evidence he added to the theory he was retracting.

If you were a scientist as you claim, you should know that it takes more than one professor making a retraction statement on his death bed to change an established scientific theory.

Patjoe: The difference is that oyedepo delivered the girl from witchcraft at the end. But gboko haram is witchcraft itself.

Where is the evidence that Oyedepo delivered the girl? From video evidence all the girl got when she came out for deliverance were slaps and curses.

How can you lie bold face with a clear conscience just to defend a mere mortal like yourself.

Oyedepo ALLEGED that the lady and her parents came to beg him (not beg Jesus for forgiveness), he never said he perform special deliverance on the girl.

whitedove: I AM A mining engr by training,my chosen profession has really help in my believe in GOD,palaentology...that is the study of ancient lives:it takes a fool after studying such not to believe that there is a GRAND designer of this great Universe!about the geological age of the earth that is 4.2billion years and bible's 6000 years.if you look at it critically the geological is in correlation with the Bible bearing in mind that earth existed million of years without flora and fauna,in the view of the foregoing,if you carbon date;it will only give you astronomical figure.that is why the bible recorded that in the beginning the earth was without form-no life, no nothing!

The above post is the main reason why black Africa would remain in the stone age for a very long time. When professed "scientists" reason like theologians and try and fit established scientific fact into unscientific myths.
As a "scientists" what do you mean by GRAND designer? What is it? And what is it/she/it designing? Where are the scientific data and evidences supporting these your hypothesis, I said scientific not theological.

Yes the earth existed for close to 1 billion years without any life, where in the bible did it say the earth existed for millions of years without any flora or fauna? (what about other forms of living things outside flora and fauna like fungi, bacteria and virus)

Do you even know what carbon dating is used for and its limitations? How can you use carbon dating to date geological time? Or even fossils older than a few million years old.

so what do you mean by in the beginning the earth was without form? Was the earth existing in the beginning or not? How can there be earth in the beginning but it has no form? Does that statement make common sense? Not to talk of scientific sense.

Our educational system just ecourages people to cram and pass without any idea of the principle under study. The person then goes off and call himself "a scientist" because he is holding a degree.

solomon111: The key word here is 'ACCOUNTABILITY',it dosent matter how old the child is.
As long as the child has the sense and wisdom to know the lord, and follow him and reject the devil,regardless of Age,then he is accountable for his actions.
This are not hard fast rules,and it ultimately rest on God(The righteous judge who looks at the heart and not at the appearance) to determine who is sensible enough to be held accountable and who is not.

Please explain to us this righteous judgment and laws. What happens to 9 year old from a strict Muslim family who rejects your preaching of accepting Jesus as personal lord and saviour, is such a minor accountable for his action according to your god's righteous judgements?

What of newborn babies and children before the age of responsibility, which is between the age of 13 to about 17 years. What happens to them? Do they also have to be born again before their souls make heaven, if they die?

Yes a person's right to life is guaranteed under law (except in war situations), but a sperm, ova, zygote and foetus right to life is not. I know it is hard for religious extremists to come to terms with it, but that is the reality. The rights of a foetus is tied to the rights of the mother until it leaves her body.

There is no law that can force a lady to have a baby if she is not willing to, and there is no law that can ban a lady from having séx with whomsoever she chooses, we have gone beyond that phase of our development. Women now have rights. You cannot regulate the séxual habits of women in general, even controlling the séxual habits of your wife is not guaranteed as it was when it was strictly a man's world.


The most logical thing to do is to provide adequate séx education about how to have safe séx and regulate abortion clinics within strict ethical and professional standards, in order to minimize the risk to women who choice to undergo the procedure.

Banning abortion is like the proverbial ostrich hiding its head in the sand, it will thrive in back alley clinics and the general hypocritical religious society will pretend not to see it.

Finally, who do you propose to punish for abortion? The doctor who is offering a service, the woman who for one reason or the other does not want the baby or the man who refuse to take responsibility for the result of his 10 mins of ecstasy or even the general society who does not care for the vulnerable in the social like single mothers, orphans and unwanted children.

I would have taken pro-lifers seriously if they spend their time and resources helping unwanted babies and children and helpless and abandoned pregnant women. Then they might convince women contemplating abortion to keep it, instead of massaging their moral ego by threats and intimidation.

How did you know that Jesus lived 33 years? His year of birth was unknown and his year of birth Is equally unknown. Theologians speculate that it could be anywhere between 29 to 38 years according to the timelines provide in the bible.

solomon111: The U.S has the highest rate of abortion in the world,despite the fact that abortion is legal there,so your claims are not valid.
I can just begin to imagine the amount of innocent blood shed in that country on a daily.Am i not being a hypocrite. Why criticize america?When boko-haram is working assidiously hard to ensure that Nigeria catches up with the U.S in terms of innocent blood being spilled daily.
And again on your other claims, what didn't those young mothers chose?
How are they not responsible?
When they were having pre-marital sex(to be more liberal,unprotected sex),didn't they know they would get pregnant?
What kind of daft excuses are you guys giving?
Imagine someone saying a mother has the right to kill her child,when they both have their individual lifes to live and therefore they both have a right to life.
Why should someone take away my right to life,when i am not a physical threat to their life.
This world is truely a sick place,full of sick people.

Where is the statistical report stating that the US has the highest abortion rate in the world? What we are saying is that illegalizing abortion does not reduce the numbers of abortion but just end up driving the people involved underground, resulting in more death to the women because of back allay abortion clinics.

You can whip up as much sentiments and emotions as you like, It would never Equate ABORTING a feotus to MURDER a human being.

Why do you religionists not learn to mind your moral business? The fact that someone decides to have pre-marital, marital oR post-marital Séx is non of your business. Face you own and your family busin
ess. You cannot force others to live by your moral (religious) code. What ever reason an adult woman has for having Séx is her forking business and over 99% of all séxual activities is for recreational and other purposes and not with the aim of producing babies. Even married couples that do not want any more children continue to have séx regularly.

No body said a mother has the legal right to kill her child. You need to learn what the legal definition of a child is and stop imposing your religious definition, after all we are in a secular state and not ruled by cannon or Sharia laws.

What do you mean by that the foetus is not a threat to the mother? have you not heard of cases where the life of a mother is at risk if she go ahead and have a baby? Have you not heard the staggering statistics of mothers that dies in the course of giving birth to a baby? Are you not aware of the physically, psychological and emotional trauma a woman passes through in the course of a pregnancy?
Let the woman decide for herself if she wants to pass through the risk of a pregnancy, and if she is ready to care and nurture the baby.

jmoore: some folks see as threat but the truth that I told is inevitable when we die. Your statement sound like someone who lost hope. Where will you end up when you die? will your soul seize to exit? That's if you even believe you have a soul. Let me hear from you, what happens when you die?

If you do not see the above statement as threat, then what do you call it? It is like someone telling you to kneel down before him or he will have you imprisoned, and he tells you it is not a threat but inevitability.

Is that the message of Christianity? Did Jesus threatened anybody with hell in order to force people to follow him? Fear and threats do not work in the long run as people learn to eventuality overcome continuous threats and fight back.

Boko haram is the North's equivalent of Niger Delta militants. We can see the parallel between the formation of niger delta militants under the guise of many acronyms like MEND, NDVF (asari Dokubo's faction), etc, was formed by governors of the Niger Delta, especially those of bayelsa and rivers, as a standing private army to help secure electorial influence, especially victory in their re-election bid. these groups were abandoned after being used to secure 101% victory at the polls. Since these militants were not de mobilized, with their command structure and weaponry still intact, they decided to pursue their own agenda, which was bunkering, hostage taking for random, holding the nation and oil companies hostage by disrupting oil production and sometimes outright bank robbery. They were able to hide under the genuine grievance of the oil producing communities, of wicked exploited of the people and environmental of the oil producing communities. In the end the militants who are mainly of the Ijaw tribe were greatly rewarded, their leaders were taken to Abuja and heavily settled,they become instant millionaires, owning choice properties in Abuja. Their foot soldiers got amnesty and were taking abroad for holidays (which they day is training), and about 26,000 of them is being giving N65,000 per month. Now how long this would go on is not known, but it is expected to last at least till the end of this administration. The greatest reward they got was the privilege to produce the vice president, even without campaigning or asking for it. An the deputy to the generalisimo of Ijawland (alams) was chosen even though he had less than one year experience as governor. The human right community of ijaw extraction also cashed in on the situation, by many of them, hitherto unknown, becoming advocates for the niger delta. Today all of them are very rich with no other profession than niger delta advocacy.

Now enter Boko Haram. There had been fundamentalist Muslim groups in the past and there had been religious uprising by these groups since the 70s. The problem was these group did not have political backings and even popular support and was always brutally crushed by the government. But with the advent of Nigerian style democracy, they started getting political support and with the rising decay in the standard of living of the masses as a result of corruption of the whole system, they also started getting popular support.
Politicians also started using them for electoral influence and election riggings. But just as Niger delta militants, they were never decommissioned. Now the main difference is that while Niger delta militants are only after material gains and can be solved by providing cash, northern militants is complicated by spiritual ideals also. So it is infinitely more difficult for the northern politicians to control the northern (Islamic) militant. Now the militants are well organized, well funded affiliated to other Islamic organization with different agenda.

Even though Boko haram cannot be controlled by northern politicians, there are forced to continue to support them to retain political influence come 2015, when the presidential election would come up.
GEJ has Niger Delta militants (a 26,000 man strong army of mostly Ijaw stock), under the command of Kingsley Kuku, ready for deployment at any time. So northern politicians (all within the PDP) also need an alliance with Boko Haram (even though they risk being swallowed by the tiger), to checkmate GEJ in the north.

So Azazzi knows what he is talking about when he said PDP undemocratic arrangements is responsible for Boko Haram

all4naija: Was he not appointed by the president to look into national security issues? Then,it is duty to find solution to the problem of Boko Haram than coming out to defend himself and insinuating what supposed to be failure on his own side.

I would still fire him as the president.

I agree that he should have resigned if he disagrees PDP and government's handling of Boko Haram. But then resignation is contrary to the character of a Nigerian.

all4naija: If I am the president I would fire him right away and look for a competent person. This is the simple reason why the security of the country has been compromised because of an incompetent chief security officer. Azazi is an implant!

It is now that you realized Azazi is incompetent because he said it as it is. As you should know Azazi is only a National Security Adviser, he is not in charge of any investigative agency. So what of DMI, SSS, civil defense and the police, are they very competent until they criticize PDP?

Who does not know that Niger Delta militants, Boko Haram ( a faction), bakassi boys, NURTW ( oyo branch) lead by adedibu and Tokyo, etc, were created by PDP big wigs. Aziza is just stating the obvious.

Is it not a shame that your president does not know the republic he is president. It will be a big disgrace if he goes on international fora and day he is a president of the Nigerian 3rd republic.

jmoore: Your comment is irrelevant!!! If you are so concerned about the lives of human being who are already living, why don't you spend your time and resources to reduce the number of people that boko haram is killling in our country. Or are you not concerned about the killings by boko haram?

When people try to justify abortion, they just end up displaying their ignorance.

you can get emotionally and religiously charged as much as you want, it will never make aborting a baby the same thing as murdering a baby. Even in fundamentalist Muslim or Christian countries, abortion is not equated to murder. And it never will.
You cannot force a others to adopt your religious code. The decision to have a baby or abort it is not yours do, but the parties involved, especially the woman that is to carry, give birth and care for the baby.

If it is against Gods laws, then let god deal with them. If you turn terrorist by burning abortion clinics or murder doctors that perform abortion, you will go to jail.

A shocking 700 babies die each day and 136 mothers die in, or as a result of, childbirth in Nigeria. Garba lost his twin babies during the delivery, and his wife one day after. He is pictured here with his three remaining children.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthpicturegalleries/8009121/Infant-mortality-in-Nigeria-a-Save-the-Children-picture-story.html
If you are so concerned about lives of babies and children, why don't you expend your resources and time helping to reduce our appalling infant and maternal mortality statistics or helping abandoned babies and children live meaningful lives. Instead of being the moral police and judge of abortionists.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm]“So, until I read it, I don’t believe that the NSA means that the practices in the PDP are anti-democratic. “I cannot comment much about what happened in the First Republic, but the aborted Second Republic that I marginally participated, and this Third Republic that I am a key actor, presently as a member of the first eleven, I still see that the PDP is one of the most democratic parties. “So, I don’t believe that it is undemocratic practice in the PDP that could give rise to Boko Haram or any other group. “So, probably, people need to ask NSA to explain what he really meant, but I read it from the papers. I don’t believe it is undemocratic practices in the PDP could give birth to this or any other militant group[/quote]GEJ does not sound like a graduate talkless of a PHD holder. He should at least consult history books to have a history of the country he is governing.
The second republic was not aborted and he could not have participated in it. At the end of the second republic in 1983, GEJ was barely 25yrs and probably still in school.

This is the 4th republic, the third republic was started in 1992 with the election of governors and the national assembly, but was abortion before the swearing in of the president in 1993.

So our judiciary has woken up from its slumber? I thought they are only efficient in election cases and petty theft cases. Must be a positive fall out of the Ibori case. Maybe they will expedite action on the Odili case, the Igbinedion case and numerous cases that had been stranded at the appears court for years.

jmoore: Life at conception is not open for debate

There is no doubt that the zygote is biologically alive. It fulfills the four criteria needed to establish biological life: (1) metabolism, (2) growth, (3) reaction to stimuli, and (4) reproduction. (There is cell reproduction and twinning, a form of asexual reproduction, which can occur after conception.

1-"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]

2-"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]

This is why French geneticist Jermoe L. LeJeune, while testifying before a Senate Subcommittee, asserted:

To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence.

You argument and quotes has no bearing whatsoever on the subject matter. If you want to define what life is, then you can go back to elementary biology. A bacteria, hydra, spirogyra, fungi, and even the initial spérm and ova are living things.
What we are discussing is what constitutes a human being, and a zygote is definitely not a human being.

jmoore: A potential baby indeed!! A nine month baby in the womb cannot be called a baby? a four month baby in the womb cannot be called a baby?

I hate senseless arguments. You are just arguing for the sake of argument. How can you call a 9months or even a 12months old foetus a baby. is it not when it is born that people say we have a new baby? Before then they say we are expecting a baby.
Besides if a foetus is regarded as a baby, then why are we talking of ABORTION, or you do not know what abortion means. It means the process of having a baby was aborted. Like when you abort installing a software, it is not completed.

jmoore: Isn't that what I am talking about? It is called Legal murder!! If rape is legalized, does that make rape right?

What are you talking about? The above statement is senseless. In what jurisprudence is abortion regarded as legal murder? Then how does rape fit into the discussions?

jmoore: Maybe you should advise people who are already born and can't provide basic needs such as food, clean water and education etc for themselves to commit suicide.

Another senseless comment. I already told you that economic considerations are not necessarily the strongest motivation for abortion, it could be due to numerous other reasons, the bottomline is the child is not wanted.

jmoore: Go and learn more, if you had read what I posted you should have seen that at day 22 that's approximately 3 weeks the heart begins to beat with the child's own blood, often a different type than the mothers .The heart begins to form at conception.
This is not about assumptions but facts.
Argument about when life begins is irrelevant here because people abort from any day to the ninth month.



Lesser evil? You already acknowledged that it is an evil. What makes it lesser?




Who is an unwanted baby, and why should a baby be unwanted?

Do you even have an idea of what you are talking about? When the spérm mets the egg, it forms a single cell call a zygote. then the zygote goes on dividing until it becomes an embryo, which usually takes two weeks after conception. Nothing starts to form until the embryo state. How can you say the heart starts to form from the zygote stage.

Having said that, what we are talking about is a potential baby and not a baby yet until it is born. It goes from being an egg and a spérm to a zygote to an embryo to a foetus before it is born as a baby. Before that you can be said to have killed a spérm or an egg, a zygote, an embryo, or a foetus. It is only after it is out of the mothers womb can it have the rights and privileges of an individual entity. That is why in the history of the world, nobody has been charged or can be charged for murdering a foetus, even where abortion is illegal.


I said lesser even according to its effect on society as a whole. The inconvenience of the abortion on the moral sensibilities of religious peoples is far less than the damage unwanted and uncared for children have on the society at large.

An unwanted baby is the result of one night of passion without protection. A baby not wanted by the parents, especially the mother. The reasons for the baby being unwanted may vary, from the parent(s) being too immature, to being psychologically or financially unprepared. It can also be a disruption of the career or ambition of the lady. Involved. There are many reasons a parent, especially a lady might not want a baby. And I believe it is wrong to force a lady to keep a baby she definitely does not want, unless we can provide an alternative care for the poor innocent unborn baby.

jmoore: Maybe you should advise people who are already born and can't provide basic needs such as food, clean water and education etc for themselves to commit suicide.



You call it clump of cells? Is that how intelligent you are?

Life begins at conception'

Day 6: embryo begins implantation in the uterus.

Day 22: heart begins to beat with the child's own blood, often a different type than the mothers'.

Week 3: By the end of third week the child's backbone spinal column and nervous system are forming. The liver, kidneys and intestines begin to take shape. A neural groove, which is the foundation for the brain structure is formed

Week 4: By the end of week four the child is ten thousand times larger than the fertilized egg.

Week 5: Eyes, legs, and hands begin to develop.

Week 6: Brain waves are detectable; mouth and lips are present; fingernails are forming.

Week 7: Eyelids, and toes form, nose distinct. The baby is kicking and swimming.

Week 8: Every organ is in place, bones begin to replace cartilage, and fingerprints begin to form. By the 8th week the baby can begin to hear.

Weeks 9 and 10: Teeth begin to form, fingernails develop. The baby can turn his head, and frown. The baby can hiccup.

Weeks 10 and 11: The baby can "breathe" amniotic fluid and urinate. Week 11 the baby can grasp objects placed in its hand; all organ systems are functioning. The baby has a skeletal structure, nerves, and circulation.

Week 12: The baby has all of the parts necessary to experience pain, including nerves, spinal cord, and thalamus. Vocal cords are complete. The baby can suck its thumb.

Week 14: At this age, the heart pumps several quarts of blood through the body every day.

Week 15: The baby has an adult's taste buds.

Month 4: Bone Marrow is now beginning to form. The heart is pumping 25 quarts of blood a day. By the end of month 4 the baby will be 8-10 inches in length and will weigh up to half a pound.

Week 17: The baby can have dream (REM) sleep.

Week 19: Babies can routinely be saved at 21 to 22 weeks after fertilization, and sometimes they can be saved even younger.

Week 20: At 20 weeks the baby recognizes its' mothers voice.

Months 5 and 6: The baby practices breathing by inhaling amniotic fluid into its developing lungs. The baby will grasp at the umbilical cord when it feels it. Most mothers feel an increase in movement, kicking, and hiccups from the baby.

Months 7 through 9: Eyeteeth are present. The baby opens and closes his eyes. The baby is using four of the five senses (vision, hearing, taste, and touch.) He knows the difference between waking and sleeping, and can relate to the moods of the mother. The baby's skin begins to thicken, and a layer of fat is produced and stored beneath the skin. Antibodies are built up, and the baby's heart begins to pump 300 gallons of blood per day.

No one is born is complete, as part of our bodies continue to grow and develop after birth

Some countries only legalize abortion of pregnancy that does not cross 24 weeks. But murder is murder, it does not make a difference if you kill a day old baby or a 75 year old man.

Although there is no scientific concession as to when a foetus is alive (meaning conscious), it is definitely not at conception. It is put anywhere between 4 weeks to 6 months. Unless you want to tell me that the fusion of sperm to egg constitute a conscious baby.

If you have witnessed the evils of abandoned babies, you will agree that abortion is a lesser evil. I have personally witnessed a dead new born floating on the lagos lagoon and I learnt it is a common occurrence. My wife had saved a newly abandoned baby in a dustbin covered with ants in her younger days. Luckily the baby survived. So what I am saying is not the issue of bread and butter or poverty, I am talking of unwanted babies. babies can be abandoned by rich as well as poor girls.

I am pro abortion and not only in rapé or other special cases. I believe a child should not be brought into this world, if there is no Chance of it being lived by one or both parents. The trauma of what unwanted children go through is heartbreaking.

jmoore: grey area, where and how? That you are born and alive today should give you reason to stand against abortion.

Logic boy was born today because his parent(s) wanted him. Do you know what some parents do just to have a child? So logic boy cannot qualify to be an unwanted and unloved baby.

[quote author=Okija_juju]How does one invade ones own country?! Bush could do that because the FBI and Homeland security knew that the bombers were a sleeper cell of Al-queda that they had under surveillance for a while and lost. . . They tracked their financing to Afghanistan and confirmed the presence of Mr. Bin Laden on afghani soil. The Americans could afford to drop over 100million dollars worth of tomahawk missiles on Afghanistan because they werent fighting on U.S soil and no American lives were at stake. . Jonathan does not have all these luxuries. . The security outfits in Nigeria are weak, the terrorists are home grown, the places they live in are surrounded by innocent Nigerians, he cant just declare marshall law in any northern state for fear of inciting ethnic sentiments, e.t.c...[/quote]The issue of invading ones own country does not arise here. But as president GEJ has enormous powers, he could declare a state of emergency in the whole nation or any part thereof. OBJ declared state of emergency in Ekiti and plateau for less serious reasons.

For your information, dept of homeland security was created as a response to 9/11 and not available at the time of the terrorist attacks. Why can't out security and Intelligence agencies monitor Boko Haram and trace the sources of their finance. Already the supreme leader of Boko Haram has been traced to Norther Cameroon, why can't they go after him? To disable a terrorist organization, you arrest or eliminate its leaders as is d
one by the US or Israel.

If the security agencies are weak, why can't he strengthen them? From available information on the media, the terrorists were trained abroad, Mauritania, Sudan, yemem (remember adbul mutallab said was trained with other Nigerians in yemen), they have funding from Iran and Al Quaida in the Magreb. So Boko haram has lots of international connections.

[quote author=Okija_juju]Who is the enemy?![/quote]Is that not obvious, Boko Haram and politicians hiding under boko haram to further their political ambitions and international terrorist organizations that wants to use Nigeria as their new base after Pakistan and Yemen became too hot.

[quote author=Okija_juju]Can you spot a Boko haram member on the streets of Kaduna or Kano if you saw one?

Do you know the name and address of the Boko Haram leader?!

Do we Have CCTV footage of any bombing in Nigeria like scotland yard did during the london bombings?!

Are our security agencies as equipped as that of the Uk/U.S/Canada and most of europe?[/quote]No I do not know the face of Boko Haram members but that is why officers that work for SSS, DMI, Police, etc earn salaries. To gather intelligence.
The names of prominent Boko Haram members are public knowledge as captured members have divulged that information long ago.

So why do we not have CCTV all over Abuja? Se bi dem say dem Don award the contract? Besides these technologies are very cheap and easy to install nowadays, its no big deal as you people make it look.
[quote author=Okija_juju]DO you know that the 1 trillion Naira security budget incldes and is to restricted to; Pensions, Equipments, Salaries, Logistics and everything pertaining to security to be shared amongst the Army, Navy, Airforce, SSS, Police and Civil Defence (amongst others)?![/quote]Why don't you provide us with the breakdown if the N1 trillion security budget so we can see the amount allocated to pension, logistics, hardware, etc.
[quote author=Okija_juju]If the president is indeed doing something about Boko Haram, I dont think it would be wise for him to come out on T.V and read out a manifesto of the steps he has taken thus far as even the BOKO HARAM guys do watch t.v, listen to radio and are on Nairaland as well. He is prolly keeping his cards close to his chest while trying to keep the Ship called Nigeria afloat.


The Nigerian troops are substandard, a trip into your neighbourhood military base would prove so, and inasmuch as it is the Presidents duty to bring them up to par, we as a nation dont have that kind of money. . Go find out how much 1 Lockheed Martin F-35 lightening II or C-130 Hercules aircraft costs or even a MIG then you would understand. . The rot in the country is over 30 years old, and you want Jonathan to fix it all in under a year?! IS HE GOD?![/quote]

How much money would be required to bring our security forces to standard? I am talking about standard based on threat levels we face in relation to our GDP. How much does other countries with similar GDP and threat levels spend? How much does Brazil, south Africa, Israel spend?
Even though we might not require an F-13 or a MIG to fight terrorism, how much do they actually cost? After all we have up to 10 aircrafts in the presidential fleet, are you saying Nigeria cannot afford 1 or 2? What about the planes already in the airforce, are they not operational?
We are tired of plans that are inside GEJ's chest, we need to see action and results. We need to see a drastic reduction if not complete halt in terrorist attacks on Nigerian soil.

[quote author=Okija_juju]I'm so sorry for you, if all this rubbish you said made sense to you.
On september 11th 2001, Two commercial jetliners were flown into the World Trade Center.
Same day, another plane was flown into the ground close to the pentagon.
The President of the U.S Mr George Bush pointed fingers at Al-queda and Bin Laden.
Several U.S platoons, Commands and troops were moved into Afghanistan... It was a full blown war.
10 years later and several billons of dollars spent and Binladen was only killed in May 2011.
That was a full war situation o!!
3 years after Sept 11 2001, Bush says Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and ordered an invasion of Iraq.
He even called it the "axis of evil".
Barely 1month after the invasion, Baghdad was siezed and President bush was caught on camera saying "We won". .
This is over 7 years after that famous speech on that Navy sheep.
Over 500 U.S Army troops have died since then. Several billions spent.
Do we blame it on bush?!

You seem to think that the president sits in Aso rock and has CCTV covering Nigeria.
In your wisdom, you actually think he knows where the Boko Haramites are hiding and hasnt captured them?!
What do you want Jonathan to do for you please?!
He came out the other day and said the Nigerian Army was not up to international standard, Nigerians attacked him.
He sends your international standard Army to Kaduna and thay cant even catch boko. (Although I dont blame them).
Do you realize how difficult it is to fight a group like boko Haram in non-war situation?!

Nwokem have a rethink. . Its not wise to keep blaming the president for evry and anything. . He isnt GOD![/quote]I am shock by the level of your reasoning. You are behaving like a drowning man clutching onto straws for survival -logically that is.

What happened after 9/11, did George Bush give meaningless speeches or did his spin doctors reel out propaganda on how the president was not responsible for 9/11?
The president and commander in chief of the armed forced threatened the whole world with the "if you are not for us, you are against us" speech, and invaded Afghanistan even without congressional approval or UN approval and used the momentum to attack Iraq for economic reasons.
So have there been a terrorist attack on US soil since then. You are comparing that to our own C in C who makes all kinds of useless speeches on how his government has been infiltrated by Boko Haram and how powerless he is.

What about the UK bombings? Have there been any terrorist attack in UK since 7/7? Did Gordon Brown give excuses on why they cannot catch the terrorists?

You are just jumbling unrelated issues together to excuse GEJ. If GEJ is not siting on his add watching CCTV or cable TV, then what is he doing about the bombing and maiming of Nigerians now an almost daily affair.

Why can't he capture the boko haram leader, even if it involves threatening or invading the country habouring him. What is he doing with the close to 1 trillion naira security budget. He is the commander of chief of ALL the Nigerian armed forces.

how can a general call his troops substandard and tomorrow you would order them to the battlefield, that is the most stupid statement by a general in the history of the world. If they are truly substandard, whose job is it to make sure they measure up to standard?

If GEJ feels he is not competent to handle Boko Haram, let him resign honourably and let Sambo try. If it is beyond sambo, then he too should resign, maybe David Mark can bring the situation under control. We need action and we need it yesterday.

filia4real: I think those calling for the resignation of GEJ are not being sincere. If the aim of BH sponsors is 2 make you believe that then you are culpable. The issue here is to show those evil, selfish, and greedy people that Nigerians can no longer be taken for a ride. We can't be deceived into believing that we can't live together as one after so many years. Let our voices be one in condemning these violents instead of blaming the presido

If we cannot hold GEJ responsible, then who should we hold?
Massive fraud in NNPC, GEJ not responsible.
Massive corruption in pensions office, not GEJ fault.
Near collapse of the capital market, GEJ has no blame.
Near total black out throughout Nigeria, GEJ not responsible.
Boko Haram bomb at will, including very close to aso rock despite warning from foreign intelligence agencies, not GEJ's responsibility.

So what exactly are GEJ's responsibilities?

If boko harams sponsors plan to make us believe that GEJ is incompetent, then they have done an excellent job.

So how are we to show that we are not ready to be taken for a ride? Carry a gun and lynch any northern Muslim we come across north of the niger? Please tell me what you want us ordinary defenseless citizens to do.

What of agricultural and health care subsidies in Europe and the US, is it sustainable?

davidylan: We all knew she was a fraud. No story here.

How many of you knew she was a fraud? Why not provide us with evidence of the fraud you know. Then compare her fraud with those of Bishop Oyedepo, pastor Chris, rev okotie, pastor oritsejafor, and loads of MOG that litter our landscape.

You are gradually liberating yourselves from the fraudulent doctrine of Word of life.

Prosperity is a state of being and not the number of material things one is able to acquire or consume.
Everybody has the ability to receive blessings, whether Muslim, Christian or atheist, it depends on ones goals, opportunities available, hardwork, determination and mother luck

Na wa for you o Mr. Olaadegun and company. You take your attack of everybody outside your small religious clique to a while new level.

So what exactly are you accusing mother teresa of? Embezzlement? Fraud? Deceit?

So what about your own church or denominations, what is done with the tithes, donations and offerings you people receive every Sunday( it is almost a daily affair now)? How many orphanages, schools, charities do you run?

I have not seen you attack any of the flamboyant nigerian GOs who use donations from members and others to buy jets, armored cars and live luxurious lifestyles and you are here attacking a person who died with no property to her name or inheritance to her family.

Your hypocrisy is blinding.