₦airaland Forum

Jah Man: I do not understand where you and Chinenye are getting your confusion from.
Like any other major language,there is what we call 'central Igbo' which is what is taught in Igbo Language in colleges.It is an amalgam of different local dialects in the geographical entity called Igboland.It is also expected that every Igbo indigene that has average education understands that.
Can Chinenye explain to me what is meant by 'artificial'?
Ehihie is not the same as evening odumchi.Ehihie(central Igbo) is rather afternoon.
Evening is 'anyasi' or 'mgbede'(central igbo), abani or abali(central igbo)=night.ututu(central igbo)=morning.
I have tried as much as possible to understand most local dialects in igboland excpet the 'okpoto' language in Ebonyi state which is extremely difficult.If you listen to those hawkers on 3rd mainland bridge,you may not know they are discussing in igbo.I know that because I lived around that area for 2 years.

Kei144: I joined this thread rather late. I must say that what Alh Hareem posted on page 1 is a food for thought for Igbos. It is very unfortunate that with all that have happened to Igbos in Nigeria, they don't seem to ever learn. What Alh Hareem posted is an accurate description of what Nigerians think about Igbo acquisition of properties in other parts of Nigeria. Even the late Enahoro called Igbos "land grabbers". Igbos be wise!

Kei144: I joined this thread rather late. I must say that what Alh Hareem posted on page 1 is a food for thought for Igbos. It is very unfortunate that with all that have happened to Igbos in Nigeria, they don't seem to ever learn. What Alh Hareem posted is an accurate description of what Nigerians think about Igbo acquisition of properties in other parts of Nigeria. Even the late Enahoro called Igbos "land grabbers". Igbos be wise!

cap28: First of all the United States is one of the most divided and racist nations in the western world and it creates the conditions that lead many poor blacks and hispanics in that country to get drafted into their military, if you live in the american ghettoes surrounded by violence, destitution, drug dealers and prostitution with no hope of ever getting out of it due to the entrenched institutionalised racism that permeates every layer of american society ie the schools, the employment and judicial systems etc joing the US army starts to look like a very attractive option indeed even if you might not live to come back to tell your story.

Also just as black americans and hispanics join the army in order to get away from poverty in their community created by the us govt that is the same way nigerians run away from nigeria to get away from the poverty created by the us owned IMF and world bank in nigeria- therefore you need to recognise that this US that you idolise is the architect of the suffering of many nigerians just as it is for black americans.

with regard to the US's role in the nigeria /biafra civil war - yes they fought on the side of their ally - Britain who armed, funded and trained their northern puppets to prevent the secession of biafra but why did the americans chose to side with a group of murderers who had already carried out unprovoked attacks against thousands of igbos in the north, i thought america beleives in freedom and democracy - why didnt they come to the aid of the persecuted biafrans ? could it be because they stood to gain more by siding with their british allies because of the stake they had in the oil region which was under the control of britain?

You see one thing you have failed to understand is that these americans and europeans do not see us as human beings they only see our resources, america joined forces with britain because it was in their interest to keep oil rich niger delta under the control of the nigerian northern oligarcy (aka nigeria) because that is the only way they would have full control over those resources, it had nothign to do with them beleiving in the unity of the nigerian people - they couldnt care less about nigeria or its people - all they wanted was for the oil to be under the control of the leaders that were originally chosen by britain.

if you still do not beleive what ive said about the role america played during the nigerian civil war try reading Henry Kissinger's memoirs (former national security adviser under Nixon) read the chapter about how Kissinger received daily updates on the number of igbo children that were dying of starvation as a result of the economic blockade imposed on biafra following instructions from britain .

read about how Kissinger chose to do nothing in the face of all of this tragedy - you know why? BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES TO GO AGAINST BRITAIN'S POSTION - you better wake up and understand that we black people are nothign more than pawns in their hands they do not care about us and never will.

with regard to the posters comment about the hurricane im inclined to agree - when you commit so much evil against innocent people in this world brace yourself for your own punishment because it will be so deadly that people around you will begin to wonder what you did to invoke such fury from the gods.

VolvoS60: There is a lot deeply wrong with us.

A man steals a goat. He is stripped naked, possibly beaten within an inch of his life. If he's lucky he'll live to be charged with theft, spend 15 years in prison awaiting trial and then end up being sentenced to death for armed robbery.

Another man steals the monetary equivalent of 100 trillion goats. He becomes a god and decides the fate of millions of his countrymen because of the high office he is elected to - by the same people who would gladly kill a man because he stole a goat.

We will never, ever make it unless we change the way we think and do things. Never.

Antivirus92: you don't need to tell me that lie in different culture zones before i know. One is adulterated while one is not. How do you expect them(nnewi and aro ) to celebrate their respective festivals exactly alike? What makes the two festivals the same is that they are being dedicated to yam and not how they are celebrated. Again mindset like urs is capable of causing havoc among igbos cause you focus more on differences(aro and nnewi,south and north,diversities)etc instead of unity. I seriously doubt ur leadership abilities cause you're too cunny.

nagoma: Japan was defeated in the second world war after the dropping of 2 atom bombs on some of their largest cities, Germany was severely defeated and no city in the world not even iraq has taken the kind of destructive bombardment carried out by the allies on Dresden and other German cities. We are only talking about recent history , this has happened though out history . War is an adventure and could be a misadventure as it turned out to be for Ojukwu. Would they be talking like this if Ojukwu won the war? Gowon should just ignore these people whining and moaning about what they don't know. If they can't take a defeat gallantly like other lands why did they start the war?. War is not a football game please.

vanstanzy: This is bad, real bad. I pity this generation of mine.
This's really bad for humanity!

CyberG: I think the judges should do justice to this case, so let us see. In my opinion though, let the ibos secede but their will be conditions which will NOT be negotiable:

1. Every ibo man will NOT have access or be allowed to live anywhere else that is current Nigeria, except iboland: Anambra, Imo, Enugu, Abia, Ebonyi. They shall have ONLY 3 months to relocate to iboland. Every ibo who is not will be in contravention of secession agreement, will be liable for grave penalty, treason, become a legitimate target which includes capital punishment with all other options on the table.

2. They will be responsible for their local debts to banks, etc in their new country

3. If Nigeria is NOT good enough now, it WILL NOT be good enough for them later on ANYTHING, so no access to Nigeria's ports, airspace, oil reserves not on iboland, coast, currency, etc.

4. There will be NO economic cooperation with it and ANY parts of Nigeria.

5. Their military will be limited to 50,000 or a number as deemed fit by agreement at secession. Like Iran and other states, they shall not be allowed to make or buy heavy weapons, nuclear technology, etc.

6. There shall be an international body (including representatives from Nigeria) to monitor their compliance to 5 above.

7. Any break to the agreement will be met with BLUNT, BRUTAL FORCE that is not aimed at correction as Nigeria will not waste any efforts or resources bogged down in a stupid war over a land less than the size of Benue State. Also, Nigeria shall maintain permanent military bases, missile shields, and forward operating bases in Cross River, Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Delta, Edo, Benue and Kogi States. Nigeria will also assemble new military divisions to be stationed off the Atlantic coasts with a fleet of aircraft carriers, battleships. Dive bombers and heavy bombers shall be stationed in all states mentioned above. Drones shall be allowed to roam biafran skies and fly at not less than 18,000 ft.

8. The agreement shall remain in perpetuity and immutable for NOT less than 100,000 years!

NRI PRIEST: You know nothing about the history of the Igbo. So,Benins invented the market days too?? And the Igalas, too? Do you even know what is an "onye nze" ?? You are definitely not an Anambrarian,Enugite nor Anioma. Nri influence extended past the whole Igboland to the Benins and Igalas. The origina deities which these market days names were adopted from still exist till this very days in "Agukwu Nri". Do you even know what is an "nze na ozo" ?? Do you think this is a chieftaincy title ?? 90% of Anambra,Enugu and Anioma towns originated from Nri and Eri.Please do more research before you come back here.you are very ignorant of this things you claim to know.

Antivirus92: Let me make it clear here. There are two types of igbo people. 1) indigeneous igbos-those who are igbos genetically. 2) Igbonised people-people of various origin who became igbos through inter-marriage (marriage),trading,neighbouring,confedrating,slavery,migration etc into igboland. Examine ur self and choose where you belong.

brotherlyn: Jos is under a heavy siege from forces that are more than them. Unless God intervenes, i don't see
any solution in sight.

What should we do?

Pray for the mercy of God.

English grammar, diplomacy, revenge mission, Government intervention and whatever strategy anyone
can think of has not solved the problem, so where do we turn to?

NRI PRIEST: Y


As a woman,you are too aggressive for my liking; What makes you think you know Igbo culture more than I do ?? I'm telling you this once again; I'm a decendant of the Igbo that invented most of the revered,respected and widely known Igbo cultural practices like "Nze na Ozo","Ikpu Alu","Iwa ji","Ofalla","Igu Aro","Eke,oye,afor na nkwo weekdays,"Igu onwa" and so many other inventions that made the Igbo nation to tower above the rest. How dare you speak of knowledge you know not olf ? Look,Ngwa is not really considered true Igbo,hence,you see ppl like Chinenye badmouthing the Igbo. Tell me one Ngwa tradition that is known accross Igboland...Ngwa has no defined culture! They are just bunch of wanderers that came from Imo areas and settled with out a proper organized traditions...I have an "Ozo" title and its a violation of the "Ozo" principle for an unmarried woman to question my knowledge on Igbo traditions. You see why I said you aren't Igbo ??

logica: Dude, he was right. The West was very much neutral (and as a matter of fact was leaning in favor of Biafra) until the ill-conceived push towards Lagos. All Biafra had to do was hold on tight as up till that move, the war was in a state of doldrums.

logica: Culprit of what? Does Awolowo owe the Igbos anything (especially considering how he had been treated by Nnamdi Azikwe and co)? And please don't come up with the oft-repeated myth of "promise to secede" if Igbos secede. Yorubas have never been follow-follow as we think independently.

cjrane: Awo was described as a "Hawk" in Gowon's government by many accounts of the civil war.
(http://www.africamasterweb.com/CounterCoup.html )

He advocated a complete annihilation of Biafra,whereas the Head of State Gowon,actually wanted a situation where he would take measured actions against Biafra to make reconciliation and peaceful co-existence of all the major tribes would be possible after the conflict.
(http://www.scribd.com/doc/6779049/Frederick-Forsyth-Biafra-Story )

Unfortunately, the voice of people like Awolowo prevailed and became official policy of total war of annihilation against Biafra.This hardened Biafra's resolve to fight to the finish and unfortunately led to colossal loss of lives on both sides.As Gen. Gowon had predicted, that policy of all out war had continued to haunt Nigeria and make reconciliation almost impossible from all the hatred bred by the wicked things that had happened from Awolowo's all out war stance that has ruined our country.