₦airaland Forum

slimghost:
And who gave the Army the power to grant amnesty to people that committed crimes punishable as enshrined in our constitution?.
This country is a joke taken too far.

In fact I do not know anywhere in the world where prisoners of war (POW) in a war that is still ongoing and yet to end are now granted amnesty and advised to convince their colleagues still fighting to surrender. So alleged repentant Boko Haram members can go back to Boko Haram camps to try and convince or evangelize their colleagues to have a change of heart? Is the Nigerian Army stupid or I am missing something?

MSRA:
Not happening. Fake news. Dont get me wrong; I would dearly love this to happen. But the capitalist that Dangote is, I don't see how he would ever allow this to happen.

The Dangote Refinery was an ill-advised venture from all indications. I believe the refining capacity was chosen more for bragging rights than practicality. How many oil companies built a 650k bpd refinery at the height of the oil boom when crude had the best prospects for the future, much less now that the crude and oil future isn't so bright in the face of alternative energy sources?

Even at completion, there would still be challenges on ROI, long term profitability and operational capacity. And now the road to completion is so rough with several episodes of flooding, cost overun, interest payments and shifting of the completion date more than 6 times!

Dangote's last resort out of the mess now seems to be how to dump the whole shit in Nigeria's lap. From 20% equity by NNPC to AMCON taking the refinery's bad loans off the banks to relieve him of the pressure from the banks. AMCON is starting to look like an avenue for benefiting some banks and wealthy individuals by taking over dirty loans. If not, what is AMCON's business with a loan that is still being serviced by the richest black man in the world?

Lifestone:
Sorry o, what do you recommend on how this should be handled. Should the army reject them?

We learn everyday and need to reevise our strategies based on observations to be more effective. Based on antecedents in which some allegedly repentant Boko Haram members have taken advantage to gather intel and return back and the anger of displaced persons who have lost family, properties and livelihoods, it is necessary to approach the issue of repentant Boko Haram members differently.

1. No preferential treatments should be given to them in the name of re-habilitation and re-integration. They should be treated as Prisoners of War (POW)) until the war has ended.

2. That a person surrenders does not mean he or she cannot be charged for war crimes.

3. POW camps containing Boko Haram members should be completely removed from affected communities and taken to neutralizing areas. For example POW camps in Sokoto, Zamfara, etc.

sammyj:
All his achievements have been dented by one single corrupt act of one single Agbada. Haba !!!

The general belief is that a lot of crimes committed by a person may go undetected and unpunished and so when one is finally detected, it is not just taken as one. That is why people say everyday for the thief, one day for the owner.

Grace001:
Media four man panel.

A Four-man panel is an aberration. Panels like this are typically in odd numbers such as 3, 5 and 7 so that when voting on an issue is needed, the Chairman can break any tie.

splendournoni:
This Shia Muslims are deadly when you come to zaria you will know what I mean... the Sunnis are just angry with them that's just the beef

Then the Sunnis should follow the law in prosecuting the Shias for any crime they may have committed. But going around filing frivolous law suits just to detain someone because of his or her belief is malicious and unacceptable behaviour! El-Rufai is not a Sunni Governor neither is Kaduna State a Sunni State, so why oppress the rights of others?!

Ogamysamo:
na dis kind sense church de need no be d 1 wey go want make you give church until you poor.

tithe na 10% but some pastors go want make you give 50% or more.

if d 40% enter investment 4 d future e go make d next tithe plenty self but some of our pastors no de mind 2morrow tithe na 2day own b their problem.

God does not belabour anyone to give to him as it has been stated in the Bible that God loves a cheerful giver. Being faithful in your tithe comes with its blessings and as Provers 10:22 says; it is the blessings of God that maketh riches without adding sorrow to it. When you sow to God's work, you sow to your future beyond this world.

Elisha told the widow of Zarephat to first make his bread even though it was the widow and her son's last meal without any hope. And God blessed the widow for her obedience through out the famine in keeping faith with His prophet.

However, the abundance of fake pastors and wolves in sheep clothing operating churches are the ones validating the "invest into your future first" mantra because the monies given in the name of God are often misused by these Pastors who see churches as their personal property.

seunmsg:
Never. Dick Cheney committed a similar crime to what they have accused Abba Kyari of and he was never handed over to Nigeria despite the court case that was instituted against him.

Like I wrote on another thread, Abba Kyari knows too much about Nigeria’s security architecture. Handing him over to the US government May compromise our national security. As a result, I don’t think it is in the overall interest of Nigeria that he should be extradited to the US. He should be tried and punished in Nigeria.

When I see some of these direct and indirect attempts to defend Abba Kyari and the manipulative yet unsound reasoning behind these attempts, I am truelly disaoppointed for our country.

1. Nigeria and the USA have Extradition Treaty. So before anyone comes to start asking stupid rhetoric questions, the person should get understanding amd meaning of the treaty.

2. A corrupt person has no allegiance or true loyalty to anyone but himself. If Abba Kyari is proven to be corrupt, it is stupid defense to say he should not be extradited to USA in order to protect Nigeria intelligence secrets known to him because he could as well have sold any secret for personal gain. A corrupt person is not an asset but a liability!

In fact if we have corrupt officers like that and all we can see in them are heroes, then it is little wonder the current security situation in the country is so bad. The USA would do us a lot of good helping us fish such corrupt persons out since we have shown ourselves inept in that task.

Moferere:
I know Miyetti Allah and that MURIC Professor will introduce a dangerous dimension to this issue.

Shameless people

MACBAN is supposed to be Miyetti Allah Cattle Breeders Association of Nigeria. So when did it become the mouthpiece of the North? Are all northerners cattle breeders?
MACBAN is gradually turning itself into something else in this Buhari tenure and need to be put in its place!

Baawaa:
What kind of thinking is this

The kind of thinking that got Nigeria into the mess in which it is. You would be surprised how many politicians in the corridors of power in the country have the same mindset. And we expect our country to develop.

Fahdiga:
Vagina people are the most dangerous breed of humans to walk the surface of this earth

Both vagina people and penis people are the same. They are all human beings and human beings are the most dangerous animals on the planet. Forget about the misogyny and prejudice against women.

CursedNsukka:
Is million actually . Is a mistake from op

Even at US$ 35.9 million which is equivalent to N 14 billion, that 1.5km bridge is overpriced. Haba!

Nepal-India 1.5km bridge was estimated at US$24.8 million and you can bet the quality woukd be higher than ours.

https://www.worldhighways.com/wh8/news/nepal-india-bridge-project-planned

In South Africa it costs R 3.5 million per kilometer to construct roads that are much better than ours. That is approximately N 97.5 million. However in Nigeria, a 1.5 km road is contructed at over N 200 million!!!

Even in infrastructure developments, the country is still being stolen blind.

richmond500:
There is nothing wrong in giving to ur pastors and there is nothing wrong in not giving to them, but everything is wrong when u don't show love to those who needs it.

Christianity isn't about religion, its a way of life.
U can be in other religions and still practice christianity

Some people are busy preaching humanism and yet cloak it as Christianity. I concur with most of your statements but that last one on being in other religions while practicing Christianity is wrong. Religion is a system of belief and belief impacts on living and actions. So you cannot really remain a Christian within another religion for long.

Kobojunkiee:
A nonprofit or charity is a business, registered, administered and managed as one. If you dont know this, call your local businesses administration office to ask.

So when you are told that your churches are businesses no different from social clubs, it's a fact , not an insult. They are not registered with God but with the government of this world and ruled over as such. They are grown and experience growth in much the same way as businesses of this world are grow - nothing supernatural to it and they measure growth in exactly the same way as other businesses or corporations in this world do.

Please check the definitions of business below for better understanding. A charity is not a business!

A business is defined as an organization or enterprising entity engaged in commercial, industrial, or professional activities. ... The term "business" also refers to the organized efforts and activities of individuals to produce and sell goods and services for profit.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/business.asp

business. n. any activity or enterprise entered into for profit. It does not mean it is a company, a corporation, partnership, or has any such formal organization, but it can range from a street peddler to General Motors.

https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=111

nyiamfrank:
Mr. Reno, can you link the fruitfulness of a tree to human attributes?
Is the pastor not bearing children?

Church growth? Financially or in population?

When some people left Jesus as he was preaching, did he drag them back? He even turned to the disciples and asked why they remained with him!

Winners must not mention money in that letter. Be fair, man.

You cannot assume or put words into the mouth of Winners when their letter clearly stated "Church Growth". If you want to know the parameters used to guage church growth, then write to Winners to ask. Even the disgruntled Pastor that released the video didn't elaborate on that.

A church branch may have 100 members that are not increasing at the targeted rate yet consuming resources. The church may then decide to consolidate two or more of such branches into a single bigger branch of 500 or more members around the same locality and thereby reduce number of pastors, hall rentals and operational costs. Now would we day such decision is not sound in principle even for a church? Of course it makes good sense. But any sacked pastor involved could see it only from the perspective of him losing his daily bread and feel bad.

Furthermore, the sacking of any employee by a private organization cannot be questioned by just anyone except there are violations of extant laws. One of the downsides of social media is that it turns people into "amebo" without the stigma of a physical amebo. It is not everything we need to question or react to or make assumptions about!

Kobojunkiee:
I no understand this one at all!

You just finish taking us through your idea of how the business is run, come turn around say no be business at all? Wetin e come be? Party?

Every group or organization that involves money whether charity, business or non-profit is required to be accountable and render reports on judicous use of funds. Efficiency and effectiveness are not terms limited to business enterprises only. I specifically mentioned charity in my explanation and a charity is not a business enterpise because it is not profit oriented.

FahBuLous:
Could this be true??

The assertion that Living Faith is a business and not a Ministry because they made a financial decision of cutting their losses by sacking some pastors and possibly closing some branches is illogical and malicious!

Even if you are running a charity, there is need for judicious use of funds since such funds are not unlimited. A ministry with 5000 branches can decide to prune down to 4000 due to running costs. Churches with 100 or 200 worshippers may be merged together to form a 500 or 600 capacity church within the same locality, thus reducing running costs in pastor salaries, hall rentals, duplicity, etc without necessarily reducing membership strength. Now for someone to say such decision indicates a business mentality as opposed to a ministry is simply stupid.

People really need to think deeply before they talk and also evaluate what they read or hear. Some disgruntled people simply twist issues for selfish reasons.

Pecoleee345:
Why does the society see men hitting women as bad thing but women cursing and abusive as normal.

A woman who curses and abuses you will still have the nerve to ask you for money.

Am not a perfect man.....I have my flaws but I am careful with words because I no what bad words can do to people

Should a man be forced to stay with a woman who curses,abuse and threaten to get him arrested if he touch her despite you have never lay a finger on her in 3yrs of marriage.

People are telling me she doing it due to anger that she doesn't mean it......am told to avoid making her angry and is that possible.
She gets me angry most times but I just leave the house and go cool off...
I have tried to teach her the act of keeping quiet in moment of anger but she never learns


She permitted to rain curses and abuses on me because she a woman and am expected not to react because that how most women behave.

At this junction have made up my mind to divorce her.....I never wished for this but I can't take this ...... many people see this character of most women as normal (am told there power is in the mouth) but I can't.

Lastly men please avoid women raised by single mother they come with venom and naturally demage psychological...they will take revenge on you for there father sins.

Better to divorce than to resort to domestic violence. Sometime serious marital counselling and therapy can help if both parties are committed to try and make the marriage work. That is a course of action often missing in our society because people don't want to take private matters out to third parties until it is too late!

Bola146:
Game up! Beat the hell out of the mumu man Break one of his legs and one of his hands This is how all cheating married women will be caught

Dangerous advice. Simply take note, record and leave. Resorting to any physical fight may turn against the man in several ways: he may be the one getting hurt, he may kill or seriously injure someone and get prison term.

There is no need getting jail term, getting killed or having high blood pressure over a cheating wife caught red handed. That he caught them before they planned and killed him is enough to celebrate and hold thanksgiving for.

oluwaseyi0:
Actually, it's a very very complicated case, the law forbids them from having sexual relations with inmates, the law is silent on relation with family of inmates, only if the court can establish the use of coerce/force in dating the woman, it will rule as two consenting adults

some things are morally wrong but legally there is no case to establish

even if you argue that the lady is married, all she will get is a divorce which she has already requested for, no court can jail a man for dating a woman when there is no force

You're right. Truth be told, ACC Musa has not committed any crime. The lady had already lost faith in the husband's case and was willing to let go. That was why the inmate had to approach ACC Musa to plead with her in the first place. Unfortunately, ACC Musa took advantage of the situation for his own benefit. In that, ACC Musa acted in a "morally" wrong way.

It is difficult to blame the lady because of the following:

1. If the husband had not been involved in a case of armed robbery and illegal possession of firearm, this situation would not have come to be. He holds the blame for that.

2. The case against the husband may be so tight that he cannot escape life imprisonment, death sentence or a very long prison term. To expect the lady to wait upon a lost case that was not caused by her is unfair in anyway you look at it.

Now imagine the case is a lost one and the ACC Musa in advising the lady stated as much. And the lady is quite beautiful, talked about warning her husband against his ways before the current situation, is now determined to leave the inmate but worries about her financial future. The inmate may not have been a good husband in the first place and the couple may have no kids so what does she have to wait for? Those are legitimate and possible considerations.

That is why it is difficult to pass judgement here before having the full facts of the case and hearing from all sides. It is too early to start calling the lady a LovePeddler and all kinds of name. Some women would have severed ties immediately the husband became an inmate based on the charges of armed robbery, talk less of visiting him till she got disillusioned with his case.

rainluv:
"This gifts he gave were that some be apostles, some prophets, some evangelist,some pastors and teachers" Ephesians 4:11
( Prophets were not abolished)

"For those who speak in a tongue do not speak to other people but to God, for nobody understands them, since they are speaking mysteries in the spirit. On the other hand,those who speaks to other people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation"
1 Corinthians 14:2,3

Then below is a proof, you MUST not have spiritual father to be called by God

Built upon the foundation of the apostle and prophet, with Christ Jesus as the cornerstone
Ephesians 2:20

I still can't comprehend the head and tail of this argument

Note: all these were gotten from the new testament

You are trying unsuccessfully to validate TB Joshua as a prophet without Christ!

Prophecy is a spiritual gift in the New Testament and that gift is for Christians and I have shown to you how TB Joshua was not a Christian and cannot be accepted by genuine Christians as a prophet. Any person who claims to be born again from the womb is expounding anti-Christ teachings. Your Bible quotes do not erase that fact.

If eternal life is important to you, open your mind to only the true gospel. No one can come to the father under the New Testament except through Christ.

Galatians 1: 6-11

6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—

7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

rainluv:
Okay
Christ never abolished the old testament so I don't know what you are talking about

If you are trying to seek validation for TB Joshua under Old Testament, I am sorry there is none. Being born again from the womb is not taught by Old Testament. In fact there is no born again in the Old Testament and remission of sins is by periodic blood sacrifice. So TB Joshua does not qualify as an Old Testament prophet.

And if you have sound understanding of the scriptures and Christianity, you would know that after Christ came, there was no need for Old Testament prophets again.

Hebrews 8: 6 - 7

6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.

Read the full chapter of Hebrews 8 for better understanding.

rainluv:
Okay
But y'all are dragging your feet in mentioning one, just one prophet from the Bible that gave his life to Christ?

Are you saying TB Joshua is a "prophet" who did not have to give his life to Christ because you couldn't see one prophet from the Bible that gave his life to Christ?

1. Anyone who did not give his life to Christ from the day Jesus resurrected till date is not a Christian much less a prophet. If TB Joshua is that kind of prophet, then sorry is the case because he is then confirmed not to be a Christian prophet!

2. Old Testament prophets before Jesus died and resurrected didn't have to give their life to Christ because they were under the Old Covenant.

3. All genuine Christian prophets post-Jesus death and resurrection have to be born again first and foremost. Prophecy after the New Testament is different from the Old Testament. Prophecy is a spiritual gift for the service of God and not the veneration of men. Read more below:

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/sam-storms-what-does-scripture-teach-about-office-prophet-gift-prophecy/?amp

rainluv:
His business?
I thought Christianity is Christ-like?

Yes. Christianity is about being Christ-like. Christ would visit and eat with sinners who acknowledge they are sinners and wish to repent just as he did with Zacchaeus the tax collector. However Christ will not visit a sinner who rather than acknowledge his sins, claims to be a saint!

TB Joshua claimed to have been born again from the womb. In Christianity you cannot become born again from the womb. It is anti-Christ teaching. So Adeboye as well as PFN and CAN do not see TB Joshua as a Christian in the first place. And TB Joshua was difficult to convert or associate with because rather than acknowledge his sins, he was claiming saint.

It is heresy in Christianity to teach or claim being born again from the womb. In fact it is a very dangerous teaching. And God does not take kindly to false or heretic teachers. People who teach heresy repeatedly are to be ex-communicated and sent away from the church according to Biblical teachings. False teacher and prophets may give you food and clothes and be nice to you and perform miracles. But as far as God is concerned a false prophet is a danger and an abomination before God!

rainluv:
But Tbj sent condolence to Adeboye when he lost his son and asked his congregation to pray for the family

And yet,Tbj is the evil one and Adeboye the saint?
Even the Bible says we should pray and love our enemies

You can't stop anyone from sending message to you. But when you send message to anyone, you acknowledge that person and it shows you have some form of relationship. Adeboye had no relationship with TB Joshua and TB Joshua deciding to send message to Adeboye is his own business. It was not solicited.

SporaD8:
Sincerely, am beginning to feel discomforted with the silent demeanor of these sets of MOGs especially pertaining to discuss of National and Public issue.
Perhaps, they have no idea the extent of cult-like followership they command, the millions of faithful that look upon their every move as the acceptable standard, for guidance and counselling and the responsibility attached to such Trust!
What manner of example are these people setting for Christ sake?!
Our Lord prayed for his murderer even in that hour of death, "Lord forgive them for they know not what they do."
Even though they are not obliged to attend the funeral, even though freedom of association or abstainance thereof is guaranteed in our law, Even if they believe TBJ is a demon from the pit of hell, atleast a common condolence to the wife and family the Deceased left behind would have gone a long way to lead them through to the right path and to show-case that example of LOVE which is the very essence of the Christian faith.

The desperation of some of you TB Joshua apologists is appalling!

Even if they believe TBJ is a demon from the pit of hell, atleast a common condolence to the wife and family the Deceased left behind would have gone a long way to lead them through to the right path and to show-case that example of LOVE which is the very essence of the Christian faith.

Haba! Can you imagine a Christian stating the above and feeling comfortable saying it? What has light got to do with darkness? So if a Babalawo or Juju man dies now, CAN or PFN should pay condolence visit to show love?! Haaa!

As you are going, you would even ask God to send condolence message to Satan when Satan loses some of his disciples and demons just to show what you label as LOVE!!!

Hollicom:
As He is buried today hummmm please remind me if PFN, CAN, NOTABLE CHRISTIAN LEADER Representatives were present at TB JOSHUA’S Burial ??

"MY PASTOR SAYS THIS MY REV, BISHOP SAYS THAT ...... PLEASE WHAT DID GOD HIMSELF TELL YOU, WHAT DID YOU DISCERN YOURSELF" ?

Judgement DayWillShock�Many,The Way Jesus Shocked People ByTaking
'Armed Robber' With Himself To Paradise.

TB Joshua was not a member of PFN or CAN. Even when he was alive, PFN seriously warned its members not to associate with him because they do not believe in TB Joshua salvation story of being born again from the womb.

Now when they did not associate with him when he was alive, how do you want them to attend his burial and not become hypocrites?! You people need to evaluate issues before just making pronouncements.

And for your information, Jesus didn't take an Armed Robber with him to heaven, he took a repentant sinner who believed in him as the Son of God. There were two thieves and only one was promised heaven by Jesus: the one that repented and believed!

You TB Joshua sympathizers should stop seeking validation for him. If he is indeed a servant of God he needs no validation of men. And those who have doubts about him and his ministry, let them have their doubts in peace except you have concrete facts to change their minds.

SmartyPants:
So how is that now contempt of Court? Cite legal authorities please.

Contempt of court, also referred to simply as "contempt," is the disobedience of an order of a court. It is also conduct tending to obstruct or interfere with the orderly administration of justice.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/contempt_of_court

Contempt of court is broadly classified into two categories: criminal versus civil, and direct versus indirect.

Direct contempt occurs in the presence of the court, while indirect contempt occurs outside the court’s presence.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/contempt-court.asp

What Fabiyi is doing is indirect contempt. He is trying definitely to interfer with and influence the carriage of justice in the case. That is why whenever a case is in court, lawyers and learned person say it is subjudice to comment on it.

jabor4Naija:
I don't understand dis guy at all, its like he and d so called baba ijesha engage in dis stupid act together

The Yomi Fabiyi guy needs to be locked up for contempt of court. There is a case in court and he is trying to prejudice the minds of the public with his stupid movie that portrays Baba Ijesha who is the suspect as a victim!

So if later the court finds Baba Ijesha guilty, the public would think the court is biased.

debbycreamy:
Hello nairalanders,

I won't say it's my friend sister or whatever,it's me. It's my question

For 5years of marriage, it's been conflicting about this church matter.

Where in the Bible did they say it's compulsory for the wife to go to the husband's church? I attended dominion city, and he attends redeem (RCCG), I tried for the first two years to follow him to redeem, but I couldn't feel it, every Sunday it's like going and coming from a wedding not a church, that feeling of feeling the Holy Spirit and being blessed is not there, I don't know who understands this feeling.

Now for a month now, I have not gone to any church, and I'm tired of the whole thing, please matured advice needed.

Thanks

I first went through your profile and some previous posts for context and this is what I have to say to you:

1. Submit to you husband. That is what the Bible says and part of that submission is following him to his church which has become your church.
Naturally you are a headstrong woman. Learn to submit. Obedience is better than sacrifice.

2. Your being worker at Dominion City is sacrifice. Submitting to your husband is obedience. Act in divine wisdom and save yourself heartache.

3. For you to choose to sit at home rather than go to church shows God is either not in the church or He is not in you. If He is in you, then you are having a struggle on yielding to Him.

Do not be carried away by the actions of men that do not work out the righteousness of God. Church is not the activities. Church is fellowship with God and His children. If your aim is to serve God, you would serve Him in Redeem as you did at Dominion City. But if your aim is to serve Dominion City, clearly you would be like fish out of water anywhere else.

SATANICALLY666:
According to the group, the indigenes of Sokoto may have been heavily short-changed in this arrangement.



https://dailypost.ng/2021/07/02/cdipb-recruitment-islamic-group-alleges-foul-play-as-igbo-yoruba-dominate-sokoto-list/

One problem is that when you setup an organization to make money but project a different aim and objective to the society, you will one day be exposed.

Is MURIC about "Muslim Rights" or "Ethnic Rights"? I think MURIC is acronym for "Muslim Rights Concern". So what business does he have examining lists based on ethnic group or tribe and crying marginalization?

ebukajay184:
https://igberetvnews.com/1394557/sin-take-person-hell-pastor-abel-damina-video/

In the last days there shall be many false teachers. Dr Abel Damina seems to be one of them. Flee from him!

Jesus did not die for sin. Take note of that. In English Language the preposition "for" is used when the purpose or reason is a noun. Saying Jesus died for sin is same as saying Jesus died because of sin. The truth is Jesus died for sinners. He died for you and I. Jesus died to sin. If you truly know what sin is, you will know Christ cannot die for sin. Light and darkness have no business together.

[b]When the premise is wrong, the conclusion is invariably wrong![\b] Run away from sin. Sin is dangerous and can take you to hell.