₦airaland Forum

RiceProducers:
If you don't know how businesses are valued why not shut up.
It is the business valuation not the project cost. Actually with the market size i am projecting, which is the entire West Africa and probably 1/20 of the international market in some ptod7ct streams, $95bn is conservative.

Please how are businesses valued from your point of view? I would like to know.

S-Oil Corporation of South Korea that owns and operates a similar 650kbpd Refinery in addition to other business areas has a current market valuation of around US$8 billion down from over US$9 billion in 2020. Petrobras with over 2mbpd combined refining capacity has a current market valuation of US$72 billion down from US$104 billion in 2020. Practically all the major oil firms have lost value in the last one year. All these firms have established revenue and earnings that are not mere projections.

Now you have Dangote Refinery, built with US$15 billion, hasn't worked a single day, has no oil well and no established revenue. And it is suddenly valued at US$95 billion which is more than 5 times the major asset value (i.e. the refinery)! Please can you give basis for such valuation?

Don't forget that other Dangote business have only given him a personal net worth of less than US$12 billion based on their current stock prices.

OmoManU:
They've already started, how on earth would 20% stake cost $19 billion while the cost of building the whole refinery is $22 billion

You are thinking along my lines. Everything in Nigeria seems to be powered by fraud. All the talk of Dangote doesn't want them to buy 20% stake at US$19 billion is just psychology and hogwash!

How has a US$12 billion to US$15 billion refinery investment become valued at US$95 billion overnight without having refined a single drop of oil? Even when the oil market is facing the doldrums and uncertain future in the face of alternative energy sources and the rise of electric cars? Haba. Nigerians are masters at fraud.

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/projects/dangote-refinery-lagos/

fergie001:
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MOHAMMED DANJUMA, JCA
DOB: 14/01/1974
State of Origin: Niger
Bar Enrolment: 2000
Previous Appointment: Grand Kadi, Niger Sharia Court of Appeal
Appointed Kadi, Sharia Court of Appeal: 2012
Appointed Grand Kadi: August 2017

These are parts of the problem with the Judiciary and the country. Why should a Sharia Judge be appointed to the Appeal Court and subsequently elevated to the Supreme Court? Sharia is a religious law and Nigeria is a multi-religious country!

Khd95:
If you watch ancient technology on history channel,you would marvel at the type of things people built in the past, it would take a great deal of technological advancement to build these pyramids in our modern time.

Conspiracy theorist opined that some notable people Davinci, etc had contact with aliens that "blessed them" same for the ancient Egyptian kings

The truth is that building such pyramids now for us doesn't require any great technological advancement. Our modern age is well ahead of all that now. In fact if you count the greatest engineering feats of all time till date, the pyramids wouldn't feature in the top 20.

We have engineering wonders like the Akashi Kaikyo Bridge in Japan which is the world’s longest suspension bridge and took two million workers 10 years to build. The steel cable used to construct the Akashi Kaikyo Bridge would encircle the Earth more than seven times!

There are also other engineering feats like Itaipu Dam in Brazil, Three Gorges Dam in China, The Palm Islands in UAE and Millau Viaduct in France. These are modern marvels of engineering.

madridguy:
"Is this another example of US freedom of the press where if DC doesn't like what u say, ur domain is seized? (sic)," tweeted American-born Press TV host Marzieh Hashemi.

So the Iranian can't have freedom of speech in peace? And same USA will be going around preaching freedom of press/speech.

It is not about Iranians having freedom of speech.
The Iranian Government's action of banning and preventing any private news media or TV stations from operating in the country and ensuring that the Government operates all news media is the major violation of freedom of speech! Their Government news media are therefore nothing more than propaganda machines and should not elicit any sympathy when it is disrupted or shutdown!

You cannot deny your people their fundamental rights to free speech and then cry when you are told to shut up!

ogododo:
And whenever they want to travel to any part of the world they must pass through Nigeria. But if they want to separate, let them go. We the Fulani people will survive if the country breaks up because we are the most populous in the North. We are the pioneer rulers of northern Nigeria. All the northern rulers are Fulani from inception.

http://saharareporters.com/2021/06/21/fulani-people-are-being-cheated-despite-providing-meat-milk-nigeria%E2%80%94-livestock-breeders

Blatant lie. Fulani rulers emerged in the North from the Uthman Dan Fodio revolution in the 18th century.

Dvin:
Please what do you have against this man?
What fact or evidence do you have to prove your points?
What kind of demon or sorcerer will deliver people under demonic manipulation, prostitutes, deliver people from spiritual spouses in the name of Jesus.
What kind of demon preaches forgiveness, love even for your persecutors, enemies like Christ preached and lived upto his messages of love even for his persecutors.
I have heard TB Joshua speak ill of his persecutors but always say let love lead.
Are there good demons
This man, TB Joshua was more Christian than many of his Christians critics.
Please prove your points? I do like to know.

Matthew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

The beginning of the Christian journey is in being born anew with Christ. If that salvation point is missing, every other thing done are mere acts of men because such person is not known to Jesus.
T.B. Joshua claimed he was born again from his mother's womb and that is alien to Christianity and simply means he is not a Christian!

Now I do not dispute his acts of charity, philanthropy and miracles. Simon and Elymas as sorcerers also performed miracles. It is not miracles, charity and philantrophy that makes a person a Man of God: you must first be a child of God and filled with His Spirit. If that is missing, you are only a kind hearted sorcerer or magician.

Search the internet and read about the story of "John of God", the Brazilian healer and miracle worker who allegedly touched the lives of millions through philantrophy and healing to the point of being interviewed by CNN, BBC, Oprah Winfrey and major media and having books written about him.

At the end it was proven he was nothing but a psychic and got jailed for rape. I have heard of similar acussations against Joshua and even court cases that were allegedly suppressed by him and if there is anything I know about Nigeria, money covers up a lot of iniquities from justice.

The ministries of John of God and T. B. Joshua are both characterised by faith healing and selling of miracle water or similar artefacts. Both are school dropouts and people come from all over the world for religious and healing tourism at their centers.

Before calling any man a Man of God, thoroughly examine his beliefs and foundations of his faith more than claims of miracles and philanthropy.

Some References

https://www.amazon.com/John-God-Brazilian-Touched-Millions/dp/1582701644

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/17/celebrity-brazilian-healer-john-god-once-featured-by-oprah-surrenders-sexual-abuse-charges/?outputType=amp

https://www.evangelistb.com/tb-joshua-sexual-recklessness-with-minors/

https://www.evangelistb.com/sexual-assaults-tb-joshua-foreign-ex-disciples-cries-out/?cn-reloaded=1

Fahdiga1:
Only God knows what Ighalo must have gone through in the hand of this woman that will make him leave her and be behaving like this.

Why do you pass lopsided judgement without full and proper evaluation of the case? So Ighalo is a saint turned into a devil by the woman? That is how some bad parents make excuses for their wayward kids, blaming friends for influencing the kids as if their kids are well brought up saints in the first place. And such excuse only produce further moral deterioration for the kids.

Ayo2004:
Ok na,try having only good looks in Nigeria na

What most fall in love with is appearances and not necessarily true wealth. Nobody asks for your balance sheet. If you leverage on good looks as a man, you get favours from women who have money and desire your type and from the money and connections you present an appearance of wealth that snags the ladies of your choice. Many have played it like that.

Ayo2004:
Just have money in this Nigeria and watch how women become bread and akara to you
Most Nigerian women will be spewing nonsense online about hating baby daddies yen yen yen..this only applies to the poor baby daddies

@mosdii,over to you

Whether money or good looks, women would flock to you in droves. However that is where self discipline makes the real man. Donating sperm here and there to baby mamas doesn't equate the creation of genuine and prosperous families. It takes more than money and sperm to be a real dad.

Authoreety:
Wait o...
Is that fat waist babe Yahayas ADC?

OR is it a kind of strategy?

Yahaya Bello is the only Governor with a female ADC
It is therefore not surprising to hear he is allegedly in a romantic relationship with the ADC.

Anyone with that kind of mindset would run the country aground as President because he believes in satisfying his personal desires even if those desires are clearly against the norm. Selfishness on a high level.

Officialgarri:
I had a discussion with lady few days back and I remember explaining to her that christians are actually very intolerant and hence, extremists just like or even more than some Islamic worshippers.

The only difference between both religions' extremism is that, while one continues to spew hatred against the other in all ramifications, the other goes ahead to carry out massive attack.
I mean, virtually all terrorist organizations are Islamic.

A good christian must be able to tolerate other people's choice of religion but has only a duty try to win him to your view by words of encouragement.

Your statements that christians are actually very intolerant and hence, extremists just like or even more than some Islamic worshippers is utterly wrong and without basis in comparison to Islam.

Jesus preached love for sinners, fed thousands free, healed the sick and showed people the compassion of God. He was beaten, insulted and yet never killed anyone or ordered anyone executed. Even when a disciple cut the ear of someone, Jesus healed the ear back.

Mohammad on the other hand had people killed for insulting him, led raiding bands and shared loots and slaves. People were forced to convert to Islam at risk of death. Apostates and blasphamers were guilty of death. The killing of unbelievers was encouraged.

The best comparison is not the adherents, who could have one excuse or the other, but the founders. And basing strictly on the facts available both from the Bible and the Quran, Jesus (Isa) and Mohammad are not in the same league in compassion, tolerance and purity of conduct.

Even in comparison between Christian and Islamic countries, it is a no contest that religious liberty, freedom and tolerance abound more in Christian countries than Islamic ones. We don't need to sugar coat or misrepresent facts.

DavidAO:
Be like Christ brother. Obey till death and let God fight for you. Bible never said complain what someone does evil to you. Instead it says turn the other cheek when you’re slapped, OT that you should bless them that curse you. Bible said talk when someone commits sin. Two different things, you’ve only manipulated it again.

Lastly, I do not think I have to agree with you, I can only agree with the Holy Spirit which of course is not you is it?

There are some Pastors who hold views similar to yours on protest, most often backing their stance with Romans 13.

However, Bro or Pastor David, I beg to differ and do advise you desist from explicitly assigning your position on the matter of protests to the Holy Spirit.

1. Peaceful protests are rights guaranteed in the Nigerian Constitution, which is what our political leaders have sworn to uphold. Engaging in peaceful protests is not violation of any laws of the land.

2. Do you know how the term "Protestants" came about in Christianity? if Martin Luther had not protested with the "Ninety Five Theses" in 1517 that started the Protestant Reformation against the Roman Catholic Church practices such as sales of indulgence then, you and I may not have our Bibles in our hands today as we have them.

3. The Bible repeatedly tells us to be our brothers keepers, to defend the poor, the oppressed and the helpless.

Psalm 82:3 (NIV)
Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed

Proverbs 31:8-9 (NIV)
Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.

How do you reconcile all these with your position? Do you defend the rights of the poor and needy in prayers only? Jesus condemned the authority in doing wrong during his days and even drove out money changers from the Temple. But he was mindful not to encourage breaking of laws which is typified by give unto Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar.

To state that Christians should not protest or join protest and assert that such is biblical is wrong and misleading. And citing only Galatians 5:20 as your basis is parochial.

The bible in Romans 12:9 says "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good." If you check the dictionary for the meaning of abhor and also extend the evaluation of evil to political and leadership actions, then you should see things differently.

I have several articles on the matter you can read to see things clearly:

https://evangelicalfocus.com/sin-definir/4569/should-christians-attend-a-demonstration-protest

https://peteenns.com/is-it-ok-for-christians-to-protest-against-their-political-leaders/

https://www.rappler.com/voices/thought-leaders/opinion-should-christians-protest

https://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/should-christians-protest-or-demonstrate/

OnionBandit:
Aswearugad

See how scared the douchebag looks. Looks like he was thinking about what he experienced in the hands of police the last time

What makes a person brave enough to exercise his constitutional right to protest a douchebag? The fact that Nairaland is faceless doesn't mean it should lack etiquette and people should be insultive.
If Macaroni is anything, he is not a douchebag. Please check the full meaning of the word before throwing it around at people.

supportnija:
I don't argue either is fake or genuine, my own is, if T.B Joshua is fake it mean 99.9% of Nigeria pastor are fake.

Okotie should simply have kept his mouth shut as most Men of God did on the issue of T. B. Joshua's death. Some Pastors and even PFN have already made their position known about Joshua's Ministry when he was alive and that suffices.

On the claim that if Joshua is fake then 99.9% of Nigerian Pastors are fake, I believe it is sophistry aimed at embelishing Joshua indirectly and there is no logical basis for arriving at such conclusion. Joshua does not represent 99.9% of Nigerria Pastors and is not even a member of CAN or PFN to which most Pastoes belong. However, the Bible clearly said in the last days fake Pastors would be on abundance as we are already seeing. And that prophecy does not exclude Joshua.

Joshua has gone to face judgment and no one will be there to support or hold brief for him. What others left behind are to do is to ensure they are saved by Christ, prepare, watch and pray instead of forming camps or holding unpaid briefs online and offline. God is no respecter of persons.

thebosstrevor1:
They are.

They all have social media regulations in their various countries.

Various anti hate speech, anti bully and anti violence ngos are all online in these countries flagging and regulating hate speech, Nigeria is regulating hate speeches online they are all shouting foul and so called freedom of expression.

In the United states especially, the anti defamation league will hunt you down and report all your social media profile, if you post hate speech online.

Flagging hate speech and reporting erring social media handles is entirely different from banning people from using the platform completely in utter disregard for people's rights and those earning their living through the platform.

And on the issue of hypocrisy, Lai is quick to forget how he and other APC promoters used this same social media to hound GEJ out of government. Is it not these same US, UK and EU that Lai and other APC stalwarts courted to be able to push GEJ and PDP out? If he has any integrity left he would not be saying what he is saying. But the job of an Information Minister is hardly one that can be done with integrity, particularly with an unpopular government. And Lai must eat.

Xscape1993:
You are one of those that killed the local government adminstrative system. What a country rule by unfortunate people!

The Local Governments were killed by the Governors. Honestly Governors are much more enemies of the people than the President for many reasons:

1. They stifle LGAs and do not allow them to function. LGAs are the closest to the people and responsible for most things such as non-metro roads, waste managements, etc.

2. They want to administer the Judiciary also by not allowing them the autonomy granted by the constitution.

3. They pocket the State Houses of Assembly so they can do whatever they want without the constitutional and democratic checks and balances.

Shellsploit:
2 wooden ak47

Fierce gun battle against 2 wooden guns?! Exaggeration and lies seem to be Nigeria Police way of reporting matters. Is it to earn more praise for their "heroic" officers? It really cast doubts on their credibility.

Chloraseptic:
The fact that it's coming this late exposes how evil all of them in the organization are..

Even if the man was a juju man people still say a few good words about him because every bad person has a good side also...

Must his ways align with theirs for them to mourn his death...

CAN is Christian Association of Nigeria. Christians are followers of Jesus Christ with their label deriving from Christ. They are expected to behave and act as Christ would.

From all historical and biblical accounts, Jesus Christ is not a crowd pleaser and He had said repeatedly that light has no business with darkness. T.B. Joshua is not believed to be a Christian because his claim that he was born-again from the womb is alien and contradictory to Christianity. Even if he were to have worked miracles in the name of Jesus, that does not make him a Christian because Christ himself said on the judgement day many would come and say they raised the dead in His name and He would say depart from me, I know you not!

So whoever sent that message from CAN is only trying to please men and not God. And that is understandable because even among the twelve disciples, one did not belong and had his own agenda. But he walked with the others as if he was one with them.

The world may celebrate T. B. Joshua for his philanthropy, humility and miracles but Heaven celebrates Christians for soul-winning, which is the primary task Christ charged His followers with.

CardiNice:
I remember when a certain man of GOD built a big auditorium in a so so so state in Nigeria.
Many popular preachers where invited and surprisingly no TB JOSHUA, no prophet Jeremiah of Mercy land Warri, infact all the major prophets of GOD in Nigeria and Africa were not invited.

And i began to wonder why.

The fact that people calls themselves Pastors and Prophets do not mean they belong together. They were not annointed or declared Pastors by the same person or institution that can vouch for their calling.

And the Bible in Job 1:6 stated that when the Sons of God gathered to present themselves before God, even Satan himself joined them as if he belonged there! False Prophets or Pastprs is not a myth. A true Pastor cannot just associate with everyone that calls himself a Pastor!

Coldshisha:


We need censorship and we need it now before another problem adds to what Nigerians are facing

If ordinary FM radio can cause Rwanda genocide then Nigeria must be scared of fake news

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If you need censorship then you have to develop the capacity from within, not go to China shopping for slave-ware dosguised as censorship software that would digitally enslave you for ages to come.

And you have problems developing the capacity from within due to the culture of nepotism and tribalism that abhors the meritocracy required to breed excellence.

Anyway the irony is that when our corrupt leadership hitches itself unto the Chinese wagon in a bid to stifle home grown opposition, it may well signal the death knell for home grown corruption in the long run under China's digital colony.

Olanre05:
My opinion, Don’t abort the baby, have you thought of the challenges that will come after the abortion, what if she died in the process, What if the abortIon was not well managed and that could lead to so many unforeseen circumstances. So many things could happen during the process of abortion. She isn’t too young for pregnancy, except there is something she is hiding. Don’t be carried away with her display of attitude and don’t put yourself into trouble you won’t get out of for the rest of your life. Society or not it’s not a crime to have a child before marriage . You two should be happy she is fruitful. God help you.

Good advice. OP If you want you can fast forward your wedding but forget about abortion. Your reasons are not cogent enough. Don't use your hand to alter your destiny negatively.

Luckydubby7:
He disassociated himself from every of those group.

He did not dissociate himself but was rejected and denied membership by PFN! We need to get our facts right and not misinform the public. PFN Ministers do not regard T.B. Joshua as operating a Christian Ministry. One of the simplest reasons is that he is not born again. He claims being born again from the womb which is clearly contrary to Christian teachings on salvation.

In fact PFN warns its members seriously about associating with T. B. Joshua. So it is difficult to find any PFN member commiserating with his family or congregation on his death.

https://www.nairaland.com/463324/pfn-makes-it-clear-member

nony43:
Northern Nigerian Muslims are a big disgrace to Nigeria they are yet to lend their voices to this, all these Arewa, Arewa youths, northern elders have all hidden their faces. When you have Malami, Femi Adesina, lai Mohammed, Garba shehu, pantami in govt how could this nation make progress? Clueless people from the north. When it is a southern issue they start vibrating and pee in their pants By the mention of divide this country an average northern becomes restless. MY QUESTION IS WHY IS THE NORTHERN AFRAID OF DIVISION? I was ashamed watching this news on Al- jazerra.

The people who bring the least to the table but enjoy the most are understandably the most reluctant to allow any change to the status quo. Separated from Nigeria, the North has no brighter future than the one already displayed by its counterparts in Niger and Chad. That is the reality.

JEWELofHELL:
It looks like only self-proclaimed activists are criticizing the Nigerian government for suspending Twitter, cos from the tweets I have been reading online, especially those of Non-Nigerians, people are not happy with Twitter at all.

Bruno Maçães, for example...

I am often surprised how we seek validation from foreigners for our misconduct but never emulate the development level in their countries.

When we increase fuel price, we talk about how much foreigners are paying for gasoline in comparison but decline to talk about their minimum wages and purchasing powers.

That is why such sophistry and deceptive way of manipulating public opinion isn't going to work for long and people are already weary of it. But as it is, it is the singular trick of some PR teams.

pepperdemzombie:
Your rotten watermelon and surgery yansh can never bring Davido back.
You are a past tense, live with that!

Please tell me what has this young lady done to deserve such outburst from you? The fact that Nairaland is a faceless forum does not mean people should conduct themselves without decorum.

Bluntguy:
To think that even this one vied for the position of president in this country.
Chai, Biafra and Oduduwa when will you come?

The clown that is actually making a fool of himself to the delight of others may know better. But being a clown for him is a game of survival and not ego or brilliance. We should not castigate Adamu too much; we should rather pity him and the mode by which he must eat and seek relevance!

Vaughanlanrewaj:
They said they are concerned and still left this tweet by the fugitive terrorists leader of IPOB

https://mobile.twitter.com/MaziNnamdiKanu/status/1400037702267936772

The right thing to do about any offensive tweet is to make a complaint to the Twitter HQ. Twitter received several complaints and evaluated them before deleting the tweet by Buhari. And it stated as much.
How many people have made complaints to Twitter about Nnamdi Kanu's tweets? A lot of times Twitter doesn't automatically delete tweets without complaints.

To resort to strong arm tactics of violating "Free Speech" by banning Twitter is a big negative for Buhari and his inept advisers. The damage that would result from that action is far worse than the deletion of a single tweet. Finally, is it not the same social media that APC rode to power? How time flies and how memory fails!

ogododo:
The article reads in part What our country needs at this time is iron and steel. An alchemy of GMB and PMB. We are in a democracy, yes, but democracy is no byword for lawlessness. If anybody misbehaves in any part, repeat, ANY PART, of the country, they need to be whipped into line. The nation needs not go into a tailspin because some people bear giant sized grudges in their hearts.

https://independent.ng/what-nigeria-needs-now-is-a-leader-with-iron-fist-femi-adesina/?

In short what you are saying is that Nigeria needs a dictatorship at the moment and not a democracy. Or a dictatorship camouflaged as a democracy?

I think Femi Adesina and his fellow mouthpieces have outlived their usefulness and run out of ideas to defend the indefensible. Even his statement can be interpreted as an indictment of the President because he is trying to teach the President how to do his job!

centoke30:
Unprofessional conducts.. These guys needs monthly psychological evaluation

It is the fault of the military who redeploys a soldier from war front without proper physcological evaluation and debriefing. Our Military are highly unprofessional and I am not talking about the rank and file in this case.

VeeVeeMyLuv:
do you know that India and Paki were same country before their independence in 1947? During first independence ceremony, they divided sharpally into 2 countries to give them their 99% Islamic Republic.

This is what some blockhead leaders failed to do in 1960.

If anyone asks why are Christians afraid of Shariah Courts and the attempts to Islamize Nigeria, events like this from Pakistan is one clear reason.

Gbajure:
A very good point. Enough of the present colonial man made laws.
It is either Nigeria is a truly secular state or multi religious.

Weekend should be moved immediately to neutral days. No more Sundays and Saturdays as weekends which benefit only xtians and Adventists. Or make Friday also a weekend.

Weekends are the least of your concerns because Federal or State resources that should be used for development are not spent on them. Things like Shariah Courts, Muslim and Christian Pilgrims Boards, Islamic Education Boards, Hisbah and others that consume scarce resources are priority to be done away with.

It is only in Islamic countries that you find them tampering with weekends. There are some developments that by virtue of the fact that they evolved under Christianity does not mean each religion has to find its own alternative. Does it make sense for every religion to invent their own calendar and re-invent scientific breakthroughs fostered by Christianity? No. It doesn't make sense and the fact that they use the calendar or scientific breakthroughs doesn't make them less of their religion.