₦airaland Forum

I totally agree with you olabowale but i seem to always wish i got them wrong. May be one day someone may come up with an intelligent discuss. Right now its always going to be a blankwall.

Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #17)

Borishade + Fani Kayode + Jammin = Olodo

Babyosisi. If Terrorism is a muslim problem, why then the question? it could have being obvious. I dont know if you ever heard of Timothy Mcveigh or George W. Bush?

Mukina its noted. Hope you are feeling better now?

Its quite unfortunate that we that atleast seem to be enlighten could allow ourselves to be drag into these ludicruos political assertions about north being this or being that while south is that. Its really getting disappointing. i thought we on nairaland belongs to what i may call a new nigeria with lot of promises. if i was "unlucky" to be born in the not so viable north of niger and having grown up to admire the nigerian concept and believing in the nigerian spirit, its still too bad for me because my mum who was a school teacher by then could not think of transferring me to a surrogate mother in ogbomosho or amuwo or probably in bonny kingdom. My only shortcoming now is my place of birth and my so called heritage of indulgence and laziness. I think we are not living up to expectation here and its a cause for concern. We should be smarter than this

David, You are not being fair to muslims generally. You seem to know very little about Islam and even the little you know is concieved upside down. The holy Quran said " if you killed a single person innocently its the same with killing the whole of humanity". i dont know if this makes sense to you. The criticism you mentioned also is justifiably and constructively aimed at making corrections but was specifically intended to hurt the psyche of muslims the world over. it was probably designed to evoke that sort of pre-meditated reactions inorder to achieve some political goals.

Believe me or not, Islam is generally a peaceful religion and will forever be.

David, you seem to have totally lost hope in my brothers rectifying the mistakes of the past. Thats not fair to my generation of northerners who know nothing about the maladministration of the old. we are now as vibrant as you are, i mean my set of northerners. we are in the same league with you, Havila, Babyosisi and the rest. We see ourselves first as nigerians. we dont care what was done before, we only care about changing what wrong was done before. We can support each other. me and you dont need to accumulate the billions of corrupt nairas that our leaders of the past made their priority. we care more about building infrastructures and improving living standards of our loyal folks that have waited for what seem like eternity to get the right mix in leadership resources. lets come together and give them the right doses. Or what do you think?

Then, David, what do we do here?

Lewa, you are welcome. we are going to join hands to move this country forward. we have waited a long time for this chance.

You guys have really turned our topic into something else. But i can see why Yarima is not getting your support. Its basically a regional thingy. For all you care its not really about yarima per se, it was about the incapability of my northern brethren. There is practically nothing i can do about this to win you guys over. But i assure you i am a detribalised nigerian and i am willing to support your annointed candidates if they can bring about the positive changes we are yearning for.

Having said that, Yarima remains my favourite candidate and i beg for your understanding.

Babyosisi, i never could have predicted your sincere condolence to the muslim ummah. The Sultan was the spiritual head of the nigerian muslims, it was indeed a great loss. Thank you.

Havila, am humbled by your professed respect for me, hoping that its not just a figure of speech.

I also understand that you want me to reply but i got to really be frank with you guys that i also believe that Yarima is not the best candidate. That my candidate is really not the best available is a well known fact to me. My only prayer is that he got the chance to continue to serve this country to the best of his ability. In respect of his political strategy of 1999, i just want to say, he is a politician and politics is not a clean game.

To the popular slogan that has now being music to our ears " Change". I have not lost hope in a positive change one day but i cant specifically pin our hope for the change on a particular individual, neither can i say my yarima is not one of those likely individuals. my point is that somewhere along the line we shall have that change and politicians are always politicians. The change can only come through our collective effort. In the mean time lets play our own part by criticising these guys constructively and proposing a better alternative.

Havila, i wasnt a trained PR guy and i wont want to speak out of tune to bungle his seeming chance but deep inside me i believe so much about the competency of yarima. But i pray for the best leaders for our country come 2007.

ADC Crash has dealt a heavy blow on many nigerians particularly some of us that lost family and friends. Ahmed Hanafi Saad was a great friend and a gentleman to the core. We buried him yesterday at gwarimpa cemetry amidst tears and wailings. He has gone forever. May Almighty Allah grant him Aljannat Fir daus. Amen. Allah ya jikan Ahmadu.

ADC Crash has dealt a heavy blow on many nigerians particularly some of us that lost family and friends. Ahmed Hanafi Saad was a great friend and a gentleman to the core. We buried him yesterday at gwarimpa cemetry amidst tears and wailings. He has gone forever. May Almighty Allah grant him Aljannat Fir daus. Amen. Allah ya jikan Ahmadu.

ADC Crash has dealt a heavy blow on many nigerians particularly some of us that lost family and friends. Ahmed Hanafi Saad was a great friend and a gentleman to the core. We buried him yesterday at gwarimpa cemetry amidst tears and wailings. He has gone forever. May Almighty Allah grant him Aljannat Fir daus. Amen. Allah ya jikan Ahmadu.

The point, David, is there are some undisputable facts we are dealing with here. You are representatives of christians and we of Muslims. We have not always being the best of friends. We dont like things getting bad. We all dont want our brothers being harrassed or killed unfairly. we are relatively better exposed and well educated than some of our folks in our respective villages. i can go on,

By coming here to discuss these nasty and unacceptable crimes of some of the miscreants among us, we certainly are looking for a way out. But if you only write and rubbish my faith, condemn my perceived inactions and generally disregard my overtures, then how do you expect us to understand ourselves?. Infact if we continue the attacks on ourselves here with impunity, then i cant tell the difference between us and the rotten ones among us. But then what are we trying to achieve here? Right now we are only competing for the title of the loudest and most virulent critics of our respective faiths. I cant see a winner soon

Now its getting really exciting.  How do i even start replying you guys because i don't think i stand the slightest chance of getting you understand my points. But let me give it a try,

Havila, this is what happenned in zamfara. When Yarima started campaigning in 1998, the biggest heavy weight in zamfara politics were in PDP, but he chooses to go for a little unknow ANPP. PDP loaded with money were certain to clinch the seat with a landslide victory when yarima changed his slogan to introduce religious cliche that has always prove to be a soft spot in northern nigeria. He promised to rule the state with the devine laws if elected, he basically transformed himself from a yuppish suave run of the mill guy to a very religious minded polician. He swept the votes against the likes of Gen. Gusau, 3 ex ministers and several ex- ambassadors. When he got to power, the voters sprang up asking him to fulfill his pledge. He was careful enough to constitute a committe headed by the most famous legal luminary from zamfara, Alhaji Usman Dangoggo Bungudu to go round the state and come up with the real mood of the masses. They submitted their report with strong recommendation for a sharia law in a state with 99% muslim population. He passed on the report to to the state Assembly where they voted 100% in support of the Law. If you were Yarima, i don't know what you could have done next.

In respect of his performance so far. i can't say he has done very well, i would rather say he did exactly what his colleagues did in other states. Very little to show. But that was aided by the size of the constituencies. It was a small illeterate enclave where you can afford to slip off and still get commendation from those you mismanaged. He was a new horn in politics then and practically inexperieced despited his overwhelming academic credentials. But i can tell you he was sincere.And he really did try.

As Nigerians, we seem to be expecting too much from the sinners like us who we elected or got themselves in power. those guys are not saints or angels. we don't have them in nigeria now. we can only hope that probably at some stage in our lifetime we begin to apply a winning formular that may have some semblance of success. If you think Duke its better i assure you guys that soon after taking over we shall see a lot of outcry from some of us that thought he was a messiah.

Yarima is not the best candidate but he is a good candidate. That was my point from onset.

Babyosisi, who is calling for your neck? Me, King Fahd, Sultan of Sokoto or Mohammed Ali? who would you classify as a violent muslim among these?. You seem to forget that less than 1% of muslim population are radical and firebrand. However, it pleases your ego if you d rather categorise all muslims as violents. I tell you in Nigeria, the igbo armed robbers we have killed more innocent civilians than the almajiri riots in the north. but then, we dont care about their faith cos its probably in their line of duty.

David, i really did not expect you to be etnically biased. you ve always sounded like a broadminded nigerian. But its ok, if i got you wrong there. In Nigerian politics, we have being contending with "trial and error" politicians on a rotational basis. May be that is the best context for bringing up acceptable leadership in the polity, irrespective of expertise and merits.

If the baton is now destined to be passed over to the uncompetent north in line with the zoning arrangement so be it. we should just prepare ourselves for another era of dull and unglamorous federal government for atleast four more years. I look forward to seeing your preferred candidate from the north of niger. Its definitely going to be a christian, if i know you the way i think i did.

David, You talk like you are in a battlefield. in essense you are only derailing the opportunity we ve got here for constructive exchange. we muslims are not saying that killing is justified. no one should die innocently. If we go by your post, we should be losing hope for any beneficial relationship. What i said earlier still stand. we should stick to the truth and the right things, because we know them.

One funny thing again is that your opinions are always suppose to reign supreme. What i was saying was that you guys talked about violence and killings in 90% of your posts. Is that the only thing we can discuss as comrades? why cant we speak about positive things?

Instead of straining our nerves on middleeast politics which forever will continue to polarise us why cant we dissect the need for us to unite as one community to face the global challenges threatening our world?.

I d rather reply David who atleast seem to be attacking the issues sensibly. If you remember the famous "four leperous fingers". credited to the kongi himself. Nigerian politicians are basically the same in resourses and substances. Why i choose yarima was due to his relative sincerity compared to the rest of the pack. He is someone i know very well (his strength and his shortcomings). i know the bane of his problems in zamfara was the selfishness of his lieutenants. you really dont have to believe this but i am from zamfara state and i should know better.

But the real issue here is that of his right to aspire and our rights to either accept him or boot him out. If you dont think he is good, its ok you are only exercising your rights of universal adult sufferage. But then that should also not wipe away my own right to choose.

Unfortunately, whereever we discuss issues we inadvertedly betray our regional and religious sentiments. You probably oppose yarima just on the sharia ground, for if performance is your yardstick i wonder who you d rather choose. But to all intent and purpose the introduction of sharia in zamfara was inline with the yearnings of the majority. This is a verifiable fact. Yarima can dare not contemplate adopting sharia for the rest of the country. it just cant work.

Olabowale you have spoken but Allah Almighty has already told us that ours is just to preach the truth but guidance is with Him. Thats why He created Heaven and Hell. The truth is very plain and clear. It doesnt have contradictions, the good and bad deeds are also very clear. There is no half truth. The facts are:-

1. There is only one God. The Almighty and the Creator

2. God has no partner, no wife, no son, no father or mother. Its practically not possible and we should stop decieving ourselves with rethorics.

3. God send His messengers who were all human beings though some like Adam and Jesus were miraculously created. They were all sent with messages as guidance to mankind and all of them faced some reasonable cases of resistance. The reverred messengers are Adam, Moses, Solomon, David, Noah, Lot, Zachariah, Abraham, Isaac, Isiah, John, Jesus, Muhammad (SAW) and few others. These chaps never claimed to be God and can never be God. They human beings rightly guided and Sincere.

4. There was always one God and forever there will always be one God.

5. In terms of our conduct, we shall be guided by "Do unto others as you want others do unto you". Right and wrong conducts are very clear.

Buchio or whatever they call u. we dont talk about paymasters here and i dont care how bad you feel about yarima and i dont speak for him despite my overwhelming support for his candidature. I just looked at the arrays of fortune hunters (politicians) we have parading themselves in whatever party they choose to name and i decided to allign with the one that atleast seem to be sincere and honest.

I may agree with some sensible guys here that picked one or two of yarima's seeming failure in his first attempt in politics but that did not shadowed the salient and incredible impact he made in laying the foundation for sustenable development in zamfara. Zacarep, Zasidev etc are some of his programmes i found so appealing in line with his training as a development economists.

The bottomline is that nairaland provides a platform for us to discuss wideranging issues and you cant just burst in here to throw open your ugly trap just because you were given a priveledge to contribute. i advise you tread softly

Guys, Yarima just picked his presidential form yesterday at the ANPP headquaters and by God's grace i was there to congratulate him. i believe like in all democratic nations, everyone should be given his chance. We shall leave the final decision to God almighty for yarima is a mere mortal like you and i. Why dont we just look at his manifesto to see what he has in store.

Bro. Olabowale, Jazakallah. May Almighty Allah reward you abundantly, and to the Unbelievers, May Almighty God guide you to the right path at some stage in your lives. Amen

Thanks Abbey

Can you tell me who post more violent messages on nairaland. The muslims or the christians. To tell you the truth i only hear about violence when i log on to nairaland

Havila, this is a great disservice to nigerians. We are all free to express our support for our chosen candidates and that includes you too. So please no campaign of columny here