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Family › Re: Admiration And Respect by bukatyne(op): 12:19pm On Apr 05, 2018
5thElement:
I disagree Bukatyne. Your husband doesn't have to see you as a SEX OBJECT before he can enjoy sex with you.

Men that see women as sex object remove the personality of that woman from her at that point and see her as a combination of vagina, a pair of breasts and bum. Worse still, he projects the features of another female, probably a porn star or maybe a colleague he's been fantasizing about unto his wife. So, in his mind, his wife isn't there, she's just and object that allows him to think he's having sex with someone else.

That my dear is most demeaning. And it's just a matter of time before that marriage breaks down completely. Because the woman will start feeling like...well, feeling like a sex object.

If a man sees his woman first and only as a human being and a part of himself, his desire would be to give full pleasure to have wife and make her come/cum several times before he satisfies his own desire.

That can only happen if he doesn't see his wife as a sex object.

When you use intimacy gadgets, you don't care if the toys are enjoying the stuff do you? grin

Exactly.
Thanks for your contribution.

This was the definition I got from google: "a person regarded by another only in terms of their sexual attractiveness or availability". I will modify to say sex object in addition to other things to create a balance.

I believe that when a man evaluates/sees his wife as a mother for instance, he only focuses on her mothering qualities or qualities associated with motherhood, that was my point.

What do you think about the whole topic especially the summary in bold?
Family › The Desire Dynamic by bukatyne(op): 11:09am On Apr 05, 2018
You cannot negotiate Desire.

This is a very simple principle that most Men and the vast majority of women are willfully ignorant of. One the most common personal problems I’ve been asked advice for in the past 10 years is some variation of “how do I get her back?” Usually this breaks down into men seeking some methodology to return his relationship to an earlier state where a previously passionate woman couldn’t keep her hands off of him. Six months into a comfortable familiarity and the thrill is gone, but in truth it’s the genuine desire that is gone.

It’s often at this stage that a man will resort to negotiation. Sometimes this can be as subtle as him progressively doing things for her in the hopes that she’ll reciprocate with the same sexual fervor they used to have. Other times a married couple may go to marriage counseling to “resolve their sex issues” and negotiate terms for her sexual compliance. He’ll promise to do the dishes and a load of laundry more often in exchange for her feigned sexual interest in him. Yet, no matter what terms are offered, no matter how great an external effort he makes so deserving of reward, the genuine desire is not there for her. In fact, she feels worse for not having the desire after such efforts were made for her compliance.

Negotiated desire only ever leads to obligated compliance.

This is why her post-negotiation sexual response is often so lackluster and the source of even further frustration on his part. She may be more sexually available to him, but the half-hearted experience is never the same as when they first met when there was no negotiation, just spontaneous desire for each other.

From a male perspective, and particularly that of an uninitiated beta male, negotiation of desire seems a rational solution to the problem. Men tend to innately rely on deductive reasoning; otherwise known as an “if then” logic stream. The code is often something like this:

I need sex + women have the sex I want + query women about their conditions for sex + meet prerequisites for sex = the sex I want.

Makes sense right? It’s simple economics, but built on a foundation that relies on a woman’s accurate self-evaluations. The genuine desire they used to experience at the outset of their relationship was predicated upon a completely unknown set of variables. Overtly communicating a desire for reciprocal desire creates obligation, and sometimes even ultimatums. Genuine desire is something a person must come to – or be led to – on their own volition. You can force a woman by threat to comply with behaving in a desired manner, but you cannot make her want to behave that way. A prostitute will Bleep you for an exchange, it doesn’t mean she wants to.

Whether LTR or a one night stand (ONS) strive for genuine desire in your relationships. Half of the battle is knowing you want to be with a woman who wants to please you, not one who feels obligated to. You will never draw this genuine desire from her by overt means, but you can covertly lead her to this genuine desire. The trick in provoking real desire is in keeping her ignorant of your intent to provoke it. Real desire is created by her thinking it’s something she wants, not something she has to do.

https://therationalmale.com/2011/08/25/the-desire-dynamic/
Family › Re: Admiration And Respect by bukatyne(op):
bukatyne:
So this quote below is the reason for this thread:

Lastly, ladies, the best compliment you can give a man is with your body and consideration. Unexpected gestures, being an imaginative lover, staying in shape because you want to please a man, are the best expressions of genuine desire, admiration and respect. Nothing conveys real appreciation for a man better than the unsolicited desire you reserve for Alpha bleeps. You want him to know you admire and respect him? Initiate sex with him, often and with intensity.

Men, do you concur?
Women, what do you think?
I go first:

I agree with the bold.....

First, I find the 'I am keeping fit for myself and not my husband' amusing. Whatever you do should be for him to continually desire you. Like I say, any woman whose husband doesn't see as a sex object in addition to other things is doomed.

Second, nothing like genuine desire to make love to your husband, responding to him in the act and appreciating him afterwards. Like my husband says, it boosts a man's 'Sexual ego.'
Family › Re: Transactional Vs. Validational Sex by bukatyne(op):
So I just posted the exact writeups as the article is long.

I know that the foreign sex/dating scene might be a bit different however, I liked this article because it addresses something I have always had an issue with:

A number of married women have transactional sex with their husbands.... they will have sex if only X, Y, Z. They will only have sex after he woos them, buy stuff etc. just how they would only cook his favorite when when they need something which I think is also wrong.

SO what do we think?
Family › Re: Transactional Vs. Validational Sex by bukatyne(op): 10:51am On Apr 05, 2018
Unnegotiated Desire

And so now we come full circle to the men I was counseling back in the day. Because all they’d ever known was transactional sex their deductive male brains attempted to solve their “sex problem” in the most logistical and pragmatic way – negotiate with her. If all sex ever is for a guy is a transaction – a quid pro quo – then it follows he’ll try to find the best way to ‘pay’ for his wife’s sexual access. Hunter Drew and I were recently discussing a man who Dean Abbot has been counseling and one thing we’ve all seen a lot of from young and old Blue Pill Beta men is this logical tendency for them to want to ‘sacrifice their way to happiness with their wives’. It’s as if the more they sacrifice the more they pay for that intimacy they seek, but what they never get is that this only buries their sex lives that much more.

One amazing turn around a lot of married and single Red Pill guys experience when they unplug is the attention they receive from women when they switch from a transactional disposition to a validational disposition with regard to sex. When a man unplugs and cuts himself away from his Blue Pill conditioning one change he makes is a shift from viewing sex as transactional to validational. In the beginning, when men are first learning Game and becoming more Red Pill aware about the nature of women they really don’t recognize this shift in attitude towards sex. When I say men need to make themselves the “prize” with regards to sex and their attention what happens is they go from the “how can I pay for sex to qualify for it with a woman” to “women will recognize that I represent and opportunity for validational sex”.

The Blue Pill conditions men to base their understanding of sex on a transactional paradigm. It’s all scarcity, and luck or providence that a woman might want to Bleep them. This is why women get aggravated by the presumption that men might feel they are ‘owed sex‘ in exchange for what they do for them. And why wouldn’t men feel that way? They’ve been conditioned for half a life to believe that they should follow the old social contract and become a man with a lot to offer a woman, a wife. This is the transactional paradigm; I build my life to better accommodate a woman and she reciprocates with sex. Women know this too, so all pretenses of indignation about are complete bullshit. What upsets women is that a Beta man would feel entitled to her sexuality for having accommodated her. Alpha men are entitled to it, accommodations be damned, because he’s the man they want to have sex with.

https://therationalmale.com/2018/03/07/transactional-vs-validational-sex/
Family › Re: Transactional Vs. Validational Sex by bukatyne(op): 10:51am On Apr 05, 2018
Transactional Sex

One of the benefits of a concealed estrus is that it allows women a few luxuries. One of these was the ability to confuse men of their paternity. Today this confusion is little more difficult because we’ve got DNA figured out well enough to make accurate assessments, but in our evolutionary past it was important to trick cuckolded fathers into second guessing whether a child was his or not before he killed it and impregnated a woman on his own (this is also why men evolved mate guarding behaviors).

The other advantage of concealed estrus was essentially prostitution. Now, to pretty this up a bit, lets say that women who were sexual with men outside of their fertility window found that sex could be leveraged with non-Alpha men (men they didn’t want to have children with) to encourage them to help with a lot of the chores more Alpha men were less willing (but not entirely unwilling) to do. Enter transactional sex.

As mentioned, the most overt form of transactional sex is prostitution, but it’s impolite to call every woman a LovePeddler. In fact it’s impolite to even imply a woman may be having sex for other reasons than validational sex. Today women are contemplating whether or not transactional sex is itself rape since it technically meets the definition of rape (sex women don’t want to have). I discussed this “grey area sex” recently in another essay, but it’s interesting to see women wrestle with transactional sex in an era where the Future is Female and women ought to only have the (validational) sex they want to enthusiastically have.

For most men (i.e the 80% Beta men) transactional sex is where the rubber meets the road. In fact, I’d argue that for most Beta men transactional sex is the only definition of sex they ever really know. That’s kind of sad to think about, but most men never really experience the unfettered feral lust of a woman they’ve chosen to spend the rest of their lives with. I got into this in Saving the Best and Hats Off to the Bull, but I think it’s important for the average man today to acknowledge that it’s highly likely that their wives have shared parts of themselves with, and have lost all inhibitions with, men in their sexual pasts they may never know anything about. That’s a cold bucket of reality a lot of men who unplug from all this have to confront.

Marriage today is almost entirely predicated on on the transactional sex side of Hypergamy. I’m not saying it has to be, nor am I saying it always is, but I’m fairly comfortable in speculating that for most married women sex is reward she uses in the operant conditioning of her husband. And the very fact that this is effective with most husbands throws the power dynamic and Frame of the relationship firmly over to the wife. This has the effect of disqualifying that man from ever (or very rarely) being a candidate for validational sex within that marriage. And this too is another aspect of the transactional sex dynamic that modern feminists are contemplating today – if a woman doesn’t want to have sex with her husband, but does anyway, is it rape? But again, NAMALT, not all marriages are like this or have to be like this. I would also argue that a confident man whom a woman admires, who she recognizes as being above her SMV even if slightly and who has internalized Red Pill awareness within that marriage needn’t be doomed to transactional “duty” sex in his marriage.
Family › Transactional Vs. Validational Sex by bukatyne(op): 10:50am On Apr 05, 2018
You cannot negotiate genuine desire.

Validational Sex


When women look for that Alpha Seed in their peak ovulatory (proliferative) phase, the sex they seek is a desired sex with a man who meets evolutionary criteria. He’s the ‘hawt’ guy, or the man who leaves a woman with an perception of danger or excitement. A lot of men who don’t meet this criteria have a tendency to over-exaggerate this type of man as the ‘Alpha Chad’ and make a ridiculous parody of him as an ego protection mechanism for themselves. Let me state for the record here that every aspect and adjective that this type of guy embodies is mitigated by conditions and contexts. It is just as likely that this conventionally masculine dominant guy is only so according to his most immediate social situation. So spare me the “Chad Thundercock” anxieties.

The sex that women give “enthusiastic consent” for is validational for them. The easy assessment here is that women have a genuine desire to mate with conventionally masculine men who look and act the part – yes, behavioral congruency is vital. If you follow the research women consciously and unconsciously will actively put themselves into environments where the likelihood of their meeting a dominant masculine man who most closely matched that masculine ideal when they are in estrus. They openly and discreetly look of arousal cue from men who best embody what can only be described as Alpha Seed.

I should also add that women in “satisfying relationships” (meaning LTRs where a woman is still very hot for her husband/boyfriend) report an increase in sexual desire (proceptivity) for that guy during this phase. A lot of guys mistakenly think ANY woman will want to seek out extra-pair mating (cheating) opportunities when they’re in estrus. This is only true if a woman isn’t into her current man.

I don’t want to get too lost in the descriptions here. Rather, I want to focus on the associative feelings women get in and after having sex with that Alpha man during estrus. I would argue that Alpha Widows are made in the estrus phase. This is the sex women want to have and are enthusiastic in both the hunt and the act itself. This is largely (presumedly) the sex that men have with their wives-to-be before they marry. It’s this validational sex, the sex that women fantasize about, that men and women want to get back to once they are committed to each other monogamously but now have a dead bedroom. This sex validates a woman’s ego in that it proves to herself that a man of this SMV caliber would want to pin her to the bed and have marathon sex with her. Remember, the latent purpose of this sex, on this side of Hypergamy, is to access the sperm from men with high reproductive value as defined by what our evolved nature predisposes women to be aroused by. Validational sex is sex by choice and genuine desire, and is satisfying on both a psychological level and an evolutionary level.
Family › Re: Admiration And Respect by bukatyne(op): 10:47am On Apr 05, 2018
So this quote below is the reason for this thread:

Lastly, ladies, the best compliment you can give a man is with your body and consideration. Unexpected gestures, being an imaginative lover, staying in shape because you want to please a man, are the best expressions of genuine desire, admiration and respect. Nothing conveys real appreciation for a man better than the unsolicited desire you reserve for Alpha bleeps. You want him to know you admire and respect him? Initiate sex with him, often and with intensity.

Men, do you concur?
Women, what do you think?
Romance › Re: "Before Sex, He Promised Marriage But He Stopped Talking About It Now" - Lady by bukatyne(f): 10:45am On Apr 05, 2018
johnson232:
@bold What are we not talking about....We are saying the same thing.

That is why u women use sex as a tool to get love...So the guy u quoted was right.
Look at my response to ubunja.

You don't use sex to get love; you respond to his love with sex and other things
Family › Re: Admiration And Respect by bukatyne(op): 10:42am On Apr 05, 2018
Respect for a woman is a given and as such, like compliments, it becomes so cheap a commodity to women they have no concept that it means something entirely different amongst men. In fact, Blue Pill conditioned men are so socially insaturated in a default “respect” for women that it’s become an article of Beta Game among them. Properly trained White Knights make a competition of “out-respecting” one another with their declarations of respecting women. They believe it sets them apart from “other guys” who don’t respect women and thus make them uniquely in touch and identifying with what they’ve been taught women want.

The next time you see some self-evincing meme declaring “a real gentleman does X for a woman” posted on Facebook by one of your Blue Pill friends you’ll understand how valueless the term respect really is to women. I hit on this in my post Respect:

Masculine Respect

So this is my point, women don’t respect men, or rather, they don’t respect the masculine – and most certainly don’t have a default respect for it. They’re taught to be adversarial, not cooperative. Women are taught to relinquish respect, and then only begrudgingly when a man has proven his quality beyond the reach of most men. Masculinity is popularly ridiculed in western culture as it is, but to respect a man is to compete with him, to out-masculine him. Cooperation or even recognizing that the genders could be complimentary is viewed at best as antiquated, at worst, sublimation to the male imperative.

Women have very little incentive for learning to defer to a man with a default respect when respect for women is already a social entitlement – that is the frame of reference women have with respect. Even average fathers seldom experience an organic respect from their daughters unless they are taught (usually by example) to appreciate the qualities that make him respectable. Women in the workplace presume they’re being treated with a default professional respect, but any respect that’s afforded them generally begins with that default ‘Respect for Women’® dynamic that 80%+ of men already believe is their due.

When men express respect for other men it’s usually because they’ve in some way earned it or earned a respectable office. That’s not always the reality, but it is the general presumption that respectable men are “leaders of their house” (business, position, team or rank) and makers of the decisions others follow because they have earned it. Think about the men you genuinely respect. Why do you respect them? What have they done to merit your deference of respect to them?

The way a man considers these aspects differs from how a woman considers these aspects. Respectable Men are keenly aware of a respect offered to them due to obligation as opposed to a genuine, considerate and introspective respect. So when a woman who presumes she holds a default authority humbles herself, and magnanimously allows a man she’s told she should respect a degree of deference, that man understands it’s her obligation and not a genuine respect he’d experience from other men.

Indeed, men do want a woman who looks up to them, admires them and respects them, but too many men don’t recognize the motivators behind women expressing them. Many Beta men make a joke out of their wives being “the real boss” or how she “puts up with him.” They have no concept, much less any expectation, of an organic, uncoerced masculine admiration, respect or even a compliment, so it’s no surprise when they can’t discern between a real expression of sincerity and one motivated by manipulation or obligation.

Lastly, ladies, the best compliment you can give a man is with your body and consideration. Unexpected gestures, being an imaginative lover, staying in shape because you want to please a man, are the best expressions of genuine desire, admiration and respect. Nothing conveys real appreciation for a man better than the unsolicited desire you reserve for Alpha bleeps. You want him to know you admire and respect him? Initiate sex with him, often and with intensity.

https://therationalmale.com/2015/04/07/admiration-respect/
Family › Re: Admiration And Respect by bukatyne(op): 10:41am On Apr 05, 2018
Imaginings

Women’s imagination is one of the best tools in a man’s Game toolbox, but this is so because Hypergamous doubt is also Hypergamous prospect. The same Hypergamy that predisposes a woman to opportunistic sexual strategy also drives her imaginings about its potential fulfillment by unfamiliar men. It’s far easier for a woman to imagine she should admire a man she doesn’t know than for her to appreciate a man she’s already intimately familiar with anything close to that same admiration.

This is what men idealistically want to believe about admiration coming from their wives and long-time girlfriends – that it’s just as sincere as the expressions of admiration, the compliments and inspiration, she’s naturally disposed to give to men she’s unfamiliar with, even when that man was himself when they first met. Compliments and admiration are less believable, not to mention far less forthcoming, when a woman is aware of the person you “really” are in an LTR because hypergamous prospect turns to hypergamous doubt.

As I mention in Frame, the dominant frame you establish and enter into a relationship with sets the tone for that relationship. Sincere admiration and genuine desire are key components to setting that frame before you enter into an LTR or marriage. You will never experience a more sincere admiration from a woman than while you are single and uncommitted. Her imagination fills in the blanks for her perception of you because you represent the potential of fulfilling her sexual strategy (either Alpha bleeps or Beta Bucks). Once you are committed and a woman has had those blanks filled in by her familiarity with you, admiration and compliments (if any) become something women need to be taught and reminded are something they ought to maintain to keep men interested in them by necessity.

If there is no admiration expressed from a woman while you’re single, or you’ve got to fish for compliments, or you’ve got to plead your case to her that you are someone she should admire, never enter into any kind of commitment with her.

Girl With A Dragonfly Tattoo’s next article of seduction was respect:

Respect

How many men crave respect? All of them. They want to be known as the leader of their house, they want their wives to defer to them for decisions – but they want their wives to genuinely do it out of the feeling of respect, not just half-heartedly ask their husbands what they think, but to let them know that they are expressly interested in their husband’s response because of who he is.

They want a woman who looks up to them – who doesn’t try to outshine them or put them down – but who greatly esteems them and their opinions on matters (this ties in directly with Admiration). They don’t want a wife who will constantly argue and bicker with them over decisions and details, or one who challenges them and their headship constantly.

Respect amongst men and respect amongst women are, again, two differing concepts. GWADT describes her impression of what she perceives men would want in terms of respect from their spouses, but this outline ignores the basic principles of the Desire Dynamic – respect is valueless if it’s an obligation, you cannot negotiate a genuine respect. Men understand this because respect between men is something that is earned, whereas constant social conditioning makes respect for women something to be expected.
Family › Re: Admiration And Respect by bukatyne(op): 10:40am On Apr 05, 2018
What’s scarce is valuable, so the rare compliment from a high-value Alpha is a solid reinforcer for a woman – from a Beta compliments are a liability; they are an overt expression of interest from a man she has very little interest in beyond his utility to her.

For that same reason, women giving compliments to men they have no genuine admiration for also becomes a liability – even if that liability is just implied to herself. Ergo, women rarely express admiration for a man they genuinely have no true admiration of – it’s too risky. This is why women must be taught (as in Girl With A Dragonfly Tattoo’s post) to be conscious of, and attentive to, delivering compliments to men they’ve committed to, but regard as Beta. Left to their natural impulses women simply avoid complimenting men they have no desire to be held accountable to.

Private Man asks:

What’s wrong with reinforcing a man’s confidence through a compliment? Women adore confident men. The compliment is the opposite of the shit test where a woman tests the mans adversity by artificially creating that adversity by herself.

Not to run him up the flagpole (I have a deep respect for PM), but Private Man answers his own question inadvertently. Women do adore confident men, but by definition a confident man wouldn’t need any reinforcement of that confidence. Once again, women want a man who ‘Just Gets It‘. Any (Alpha) man a woman has a genuine admiration of doesn’t need a confidence boost from her – in fact that boost, and the implied need of it, only raises Hypergamous doubt for her.

Just as with the differing concepts of love and communication, men tend to presume that their concept of admiration is the universal one. The aspects and considerations men base their admiration of other men on are not the same that women use for men. I outlined this a bit in Hysteria, but there is a uniquely female precondition of unqualified social proof women entertain for themselves as a component to their arousal that men (at least heterosexual ones) don’t have for other men.

In other words men who women are unfamiliar with are an unverified commodity to women with regard to arousal / attraction. As you can see in the videos I linked in Hysteria, this unfamiliarity with a man’s real social value (and associated SMV) are easily mimicked when they control the environment and situation. It’s this unfamiliarity and a want to believe in the possibility that a man may possess fame or even simple third-party social esteem that leads to an easy admiration for a man women have just met or are only casually familiar with.
Family › Re: Admiration And Respect by bukatyne(op): 10:38am On Apr 05, 2018
For part-time semi-pro escorts I was impressed by how well they knew their demographic. My guess is more than a few were divorced, but found their ‘niche’ so to speak once they were set up with spousal support. Each of them sold themselves based on at least the feigned mindset which Girl With A Dragonfly Tattoo proposed women (wives) adopt to seduce their men (husbands).

In that list the first of the two articles stood out the most:

Admiration

Virtually all men crave a woman who admires him. A woman who will listen to him when he’s talking about something he finds interesting, or when he’s giving his opinion. They want a woman who will be interested and fascinated with what he says – yes, I said fascinated. It turns them on to be in the presence of a hot woman (his wife) who is also giving him her entire attention and the right kind of feedback that says, “You are such an interesting man! Omg I want you! Now!!!”

When was the last time you reacted to your husband like that? I know… us wives are ridiculously tired, over-achieving, too much to do, have kids hanging off our legs at any moment when we’re at home (or out… at the store trying to deal with a meltdown). I understand, I’m a wife and mother of two now. But guess what? Your husband craves this kind of thing, and if this need is met by you, he will move mountains to ensure your happiness.

Of these two, admiration is the most important. Feigned admiration is the stripper’s secret (as well as the semi-pro escort’s). To the man unused to genuine admiration (that is to say 80%+ of them) this becomes his worst thumbscrew and source of manipulation. Sexual ‘thirst’ is certainly a factor, but men inherently realize the sexual attraction value that a woman’s admiration represents for themselves.

Part of men’s conditioning is recognizing the effect that simple social proof to overt fame has on women. Smart men figure out how to leverage this to their advantage as a part of Game, but most are so starved of that admiration that even marginal displays from women are enough to convince him her intents are genuine.

Truth or Compliments

Private Man had an interesting post regarding his tweet on compliments from women:

Men love to be complimented yet so few women do it. #facepalm #dating


My response was thus:

“Compliments = IOIs (Indicators Of her Interest in the man). 80%+ of men are Betas, thus compliments are a rare. Can’t have Betas get the wrong ideas.”

Compliments are considered an expression of admiration for men, but largely supplication for women. In the past I’ve gone into detail about how compliments for women need to be sparse because, for the greater part of women, compliments have very little value to them. In an age of social media and ‘quick-hit ego boosts’ from her girlfriends and symps, compliments are common.
Family › Admiration And Respect by bukatyne(op): 10:37am On Apr 05, 2018
Good day peeps;

So I like to read sites that deal with male/female dynamics and I must admit I have stumbled on the 'Red Pillers' aka Alpha several times. So this is one of such sites: The Rational Male and I want to post a topic there that deals with Admiration and Respect in a different way.

Enjoy!



One thing I really enjoy about doing the few interviews I’ve done is that they allow me to do a stream of consciousness dialog with another person. I like this because it’s very close to the internal dialoging I do when I’m writing notes or researching a topic. While I was talking with Christian McQueen last week the topic of respect came up and I riffed on this for a bit.

“Be with a woman that admires you… admiration creates a different kind of respect”

I’ve delved into the dynamic of respect in the past, but what I was getting at with this was the ways in which women and men differ in their views of respect. Towards the close of last weeks post I made mention of Girl With A Dragonfly Tattoo’s post on the womanly art of seduction. What I found interesting in her list of seductive qualities was that these aren’t really means of seduction, but rather mindsets women should adopt to maintain a healthy relationship.

As I mentioned in that post, women’s methods of seduction are a lost art, but those means lack real significance if there is no genuine desire for that man. Women can very easily seduce men today. So starved for intimate attention are the majority of men that they create the seductive narrative for themselves; all a woman need do is make it easy for him to believe.

On a woman’s part, seduction doesn’t require much. There was a time I did some investigation into the profiles of professional online escorts. I had followed some links Advocatus Diaboli had offered in a few of his posts about his dealing with escorts, and while there were the prerequisite “pros’ with IndecentStar bodies and manners to match, the majority of these women were semi-attractive “amateurs” you’d be surprised by if you saw them in casual clothes. These women tended to be in their 30s-40s but what was telling was how each gal sold herself to potential clients.

To the average frustrated husband or sexless mature man I have no doubt these women were like a tall glass of water in the desert. By my own standards they were average, but what I noticed was each woman’s profile offered some variation of “you’ve worked hard, isn’t it time you enjoyed the appreciation you deserve?”, “let me treat you the way you should be appreciated” or “you’ve earned a good time with a woman who knows how to please her man.”
Romance › Re: "Before Sex, He Promised Marriage But He Stopped Talking About It Now" - Lady by bukatyne(f): 10:05am On Apr 05, 2018
ubunja:
whats your usual method of getting love from a man
That's the problem.... we have gotten the order wrong.

I don't try to get love from my husband... the love is there:

I respond to his love by genuinely desiring him sexually amongst other things.
Romance › Re: "Before Sex, He Promised Marriage But He Stopped Talking About It Now" - Lady by bukatyne(f): 10:02am On Apr 05, 2018
johnson232:
What do u mean by really?
He said the truth...Apart from sex, 95% of young ladies got nothing to offer a man.
Really?

And does this young man cook for himself, take care of his home, take care of kids etc himself.

Does this young man take into stock all those things that gets done to make his life easier without his input?

Besides, sex is a very crucial need of man (woman). Infact, it is one of the three legs marriage is based on and apart from godly sex, I honestly don't see what a woman/wife/lover can offer you that someone else can't and will still be morally right.
Family › Re: Wife Discovers Husband Is A Cheat After Spotting Their Home And Cat In Girl’s In by bukatyne(f): 9:59am On Apr 05, 2018
blank:
I dey o. Na Siddons look I dey these days. Hope you're good.
I am good, thanks
Romance › Re: Jaaruma, Nigeria's Highest Paid Sex Therapist Shows Off Her 30,000 EUROS Per Nig by bukatyne(f): 9:58am On Apr 05, 2018
godwinelijah:
What many Nigerians need is economic therapy not sex therapy. If you check the performance level of guys between 2014 -2017, the performance level was better in 2014 and worst in 2016 due to recession. Go check this out from NBS.

Don't quote me oo...I'll deny u.
@Bold: Hahahahahahahahaaha!

When I talk sex therapy, I am not talking the quantity of the act; I am referring to the quality and mentality behind it.

You can do 50 times a week and it is so.......

empty.
Romance › Re: "Before Sex, He Promised Marriage But He Stopped Talking About It Now" - Lady by bukatyne(f): 9:47am On Apr 05, 2018
@OP:

Move on, that's life.

You win some; you lose some.
Romance › Re: "Before Sex, He Promised Marriage But He Stopped Talking About It Now" - Lady by bukatyne(f): 9:46am On Apr 05, 2018
ubunja:
women should stop trying to use sex to get love
Really?
Romance › Re: Jaaruma, Nigeria's Highest Paid Sex Therapist Shows Off Her 30,000 EUROS Per Nig by bukatyne(f): 4:42pm On Apr 04, 2018
Sex therapy in Nigeria!

Lovely.

A lot of Nigerians need it.
Health › Re: 93yrs Old Nigerian Sickle Cell Lady, Narrates How She Survived Against All Odds by bukatyne(f): 10:03am On Apr 04, 2018
JhyMedex:
Wow..impressive!!..wen most don't go past adolescence..She shld b carefully studied...Mayb implementing her lifestyle by oda sickle cell patients may help prolong their life expectancy...
Very true
Business › Re: Charis Onabowale "Mama Cass" Marks 70th Birthday In Grand Style (Photos) by bukatyne(f): 9:55am On Apr 04, 2018
Happy birthday to her.

She looks soooooo good.
Christianity Etc › Re: Marriage: Purpose And Roles by bukatyne(op): 9:50am On Apr 04, 2018
Rock01:
Please, I want us to talk. I want to talk about this. If you are good, I'll drop my contact.
Talk here, I am listening
Education › Re: Only One Clipper Was Used To Scrape Off The Hair Of Covenant University Students by bukatyne(f): 9:14am On Apr 04, 2018
Asuokaa:
CU has rules that every one there knows they must follow, it's not new .. most CU alumni knows this and never complained but Nigerians won't face their own lives and fix it but poke nosing in what doesn't concern them..

for example in CU ur not allowed to keep beards, u can't dress any how, there is a standard there that must not be broken..

they are training them to become responsible and they must follow it that's why their parents pay millions to have them their ..

if not fayose children won't have gone their
This 'kosi eni to le mu mi' attitude we have in Nigeria is crazy.

If the student's hairstyle did not conform, why not send them home to get the approved cut? Why use one clipper for multiple people? I don't buy the story of using only one clipper for all sha.

Why do we treat humans like animals and don't know how to protect people's self dignity?
Family › Re: Wife Discovers Husband Is A Cheat After Spotting Their Home And Cat In Girl’s In by bukatyne(f): 8:30am On Apr 04, 2018
blank:
This story is actually true. Don't know about the pictures but I read it on DailyMail and Mirror.co.uk.
Then the woman should know that she is not yet married.

How are you doing? Longest time.
Family › Re: See How A Woman Treated Her Housemaid At A Restaurant (pictures) by bukatyne(f): 9:25pm On Apr 03, 2018
If she was not going to buy the maid food, why did she bring her in?

Why not leave her in the car?

Why torture her so?

Some people can be so inhumane.
Family › Re: My Sister Is Infertile, And Her Hubby Threatens Her. by bukatyne(f): 9:16pm On Apr 03, 2018
BrightForYou:
He has two children already,from his ex- wife.
Why did a young lady of 22 who is at her prime of choosing a mate settle for a divorcee with 2 kids? At that age, men of all creed would be at her beck and call.

@issue: have they gone for tests? There is something called secondary infertility and having ten kids prior doesn't mean the person is fertile now. It is also possible that his ex-wife's kids are not his.

For man who has 2 kids prior, he is too worried and desperate to think a second wife.

For a girl of 22 to marry a divorcee with two kids, there is something wrong.

@Solution:
1. Confirm what ended the first marriage
2. Press your sister well to find out if she had any known and undisclosed issues with her reproductive health prior to her marriage.

The answers will determine the next steps.
Family › Re: I Lost My Junior Brother Yesterday, Please Console Me In Your Own Way by bukatyne(f): 7:33pm On Apr 02, 2018
Xcelinteriors:
My brother was 15years and he died yesterday though he has been sick for a while and we ask my mum to bring him to lagos so that me and my senior brother can take adequate care of him. My senior brother took him for a test where he was told it is kidney problem and needed urgent attention but was giving Tuesday to come for treatment(navy hospital at satellite town). Just yesterday, in the morning, he said he can't breath again and there was serious traffic on the road, so my senior brother suggested we use bike which I didn't agree to but he gave up on the road. We love this boy so much, I can't control myself please just tell me something to calm myself because the thought alone is killing me. My parent are still in shock, but why will God allow my brother to die, anyway I can't question God
May God console your family and forgive yourself for not listening to your elder brother. Also ask for your elder brother's forgiveness and your parents.

When everyone is done grieving and is reviewing the events that led to his death, they will remember you were against them taking bike.
Family › Re: My Mum's Fate: If You Must Get Married, Avoid Male Children by bukatyne(f): 7:24pm On Apr 02, 2018
ChildOfDoom:
that one?? he's a failure. pools (gambling) wrecked him. He's currently hiding somewhere in benin to escape violent creditors
Well, you alone is responsible for how you turn out. Your parents might have brought you up wrong however, once you see the light you have to unlearn all you were taught and learn what is right.

The decision to remain in darkness or turn to the light is yours to make today.

Start by changing your moniker.
Romance › Re: My Friend Is Gay, How Can I Tell Him To Stop? by bukatyne(f): 7:19pm On Apr 02, 2018
I was a part of the 'mind your business' crew till I stumbled on a Matt Welsh's article on live wire blog.

Homosexuality is a deviant behaviour and demonic. There is nothing natural about it. The Anus was not meant to be the penetrated that's why we have a lot of gays with broken/stitched bottoms.

Like Dianchi says (and I think that guy is semi-crazy grin), fornication can be fixed with marriage i.e. a heterosexual couple stop doing wrong /sinning when they marry; homosexuality can never be fixed.

Unfortunately, the media glamorizing homosexuality like alcohol adverts will never show the broken lives wasted by homosexuality.
Romance › Re: My Friend Is Gay, How Can I Tell Him To Stop? by bukatyne(f): 6:59pm On Apr 02, 2018
IjeleNwa:
I have a gay friend,we have been friend for 5years and and I have never summoned courage to tell him to stop being gay.

He engages on the act with his fellow gay fellows on the line but yet we are cool close friends.

I never liked the act but can't talk him out

I need opinions on how to go about this.
Read up Joseph Schiambra. He is a repentant gay. You could find tips to talk to your friend and if he is receptive, give him the link.

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