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ktjohnpaul: It obvious that you need biblical lessons on the saving GRACE of God, and I will gladly oblige you that in the context of our discuss.

Angel Gabriel used a royal greeting for Mary, when he said "Hail". This term "Hail", as in "Hail Caesar" or "Hail, King of the Jews", wasn't used for peasants. It is a term used for royalty, as in the Queen of the King of Kings, or the Queen Mother of Heaven. Notice too, that Angel Gabriel did not address her by her name of Mary, but rather by her new title - "Full of Grace". To be "full of grace" means that there can be NO room for sin anywhere in your body or soul. And we know from Romans 6:14 that the more grace one has, the less sin one has:

Romans 6:14: For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Ephesians 4:7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift. The word measure speaks to the amount of grace we may receive. Mary's was FULL, giving no room for sin.

So according to you, Mary never sinned?

[quote author=soledadd][/quote]Madam Soledad, Your pedigree is really not important here. You don't know if I am a reverend sister, single, engaged, married or an aristo.

Nowhere did I try to make mockery of you in my post. Marriage means different things to different people. If marriage is not so easy, why are you in it? where you forced to marry or remain in it?

The issue is why did the man decide to change goal post after the marriage?

I wonder what the period of courtship is for. The OP asked a salient question: Why did the hubby not complain then? Why now?

I agree that couples can correct each other but it will be fool hardy to wait to correct my hubby in marriage about what he has been doing right from courtship.

biafranqueen: I hear you honey, but meanwhile you have to be by his side to rebuild it. Or will you go back to you parents and wait for him to come up again? Trust me he will definitely move on to the next one. Some men can be poor in manners, poor in spirit, poor in morals. I know a 9ja chick right now in Atlanta with HIV because her rich husband sleeps with every chick home and abroad. Her motto "Long as my Bills Are Paid" has back fired. My dear look at the mans potential a fresh graduate can not be rich overnight. I can count at least a dozen chicks that married for money or to come to America and tell you now they are suffering with those cars and clothes. The worst is girls in late 20's and 30's now going to 9ja to marry cause the guys with money finish them up and are now considered used cargo in the states. Just be careful Princess, most WEALTHY men start at the bottom and work themselves up. I am testimony!

biafranqueen: What happen to the days that you and your spouse work together to build the family fortune. I am grateful that my husband and I worked together to get where we are. At one time we lost everything but in 4 years we built our life up better then before. Every girl I know that married because of money or family name is now suffering one way or another. Especially the girls that married the get rich quick guys or guys that came home to marry girls in 9ja and they ran to America thinking it was all good ending up becoming nurses working 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week while hubby relaxes in so called import export business. These same women look so old beyond their years. While the girls I know that married for love usually out of the University or both partners work there way up the marriage is happy and thriving and life is improving each and every year. The women are looking younger and have a much happier and joyful life. You wonder why 9 ja is becoming filled with divorce stories j

It is very beautiful. God has given you this wisdom and I pray He will help you till the end

ktjohnpaul: Mary was not married to Joseph, the Bible says she was betrothed to Joseph. Lk 1:27

And he did not marry her after the Birth of Jesus?

Read Luke 2:41, 48

ktjohnpaul: How did you miss this post I made previously

Psalm 141:2 Let my prayer be set forth before you as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice.

Rev. 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints on the golden altar which was before the throne.

Can you figure out the importance of incense in prayers from the time of David, to the Apostle? Happily this tradition is maintained by Catholics.

The saints who have gone before us know better, so they offer their intercessory prayers for us, with incense.

That is why Catholics pray to them, 'ASK THEM', to present our petitions before the golden altar that our sinfulness may not access.

By the way, James 5:16 say "...The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective." So who is more righteous than the saints before the throne of God in Heaven? Among them Mary Ranks top on the list since God said through Angel Gabriel that she is FULL OF GRACE

Do you know that the Bible refers to all believers as 'Saints'? The prayer of a righteous living person is effective. The next verse tells the elders to lay their hands on the sick etc. How can a dead elder lay his hands on the living? Funny, the Bible only called about 4 people righteous (Daniel, Noah, David and Abraham) and Mary was not amongst them

El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]Learn? From a Catholican? World's best Sinners thanks to Google - SMH

I'd rather seek for an atheist teaching than Urs - I wouldnt want to be fed all sort of Mary, Rosary and Papacy balderdash! When I tag u fellahs 'Plastic Xtians' I swear i mean it with my soul.

Someone opined that Mary deserves the honour she recieves from u guys cos she had a close relationship with Christ, citing the Incidents at the marriage In Canaan and Christ's Cruxification.

Now I ask, If ur built up yardstick to honouring Mary was based on a mere 'Closeness' to Christ, why dont u get to honour Apostle Peter who unarguably was Christ bestman?

He witnessed the transfiguration with Christ which Mary never saw, was ready to fight for Christ even at death point and after denying him three times, felt remorseful and wept for forgiveness - A School of thought would tell u that Peter was 'In Love' with Jesus. So why Is he yet to get a Stature? He'd communicate with his man Christ on ya behalf, Olodos!

You dudes had berra stopped deluding urselves and get a healthy Xtian Life![/color]

What of John the Beloved, Jesus loved Him that he was called 'the Beloved.' Won't he intercede better?

Lol!

Syncan: Jesus said something, now you are asking me what He was trying to prove. If you have problem with His response, why not take it out on Him.

You did not answer my question

ochongonoko: School 'em ma'am.. Gracias

If only they can see the light.. If only!!...smh

Thanks dear

It's well.

I cringe at reading some things

MostHigh: On the contrary she has spoken her mind clearly.

She spoke her husband's her mind but clearly has no conviction

Havana: If the lady in question is a christian, then Bible should be her watchword:

1. 1Cor.7:34 but she that is married cared for the things of the world, how she may pleased her husband. remember that verse also says a man that is married cared for the things of the world, how he may please his wife

2. Eph 5:33b the wife should submit to her husband and the husband should love his wife

3. 1Tim 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
The man is bound to rule the entire family well, by correcting whatever needs to be corrected.

A man does not rule his wife except you are telling me that the children are more important

4. 1Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
The wife should accept her husband decision so that his prayer will not be hindered.



This ought to have been finalized in courtship. It is a great lesson to those that are yet to marry. Courtship is not a Tantalizer or Tasty Fried chicken affair, though you can meet there but don't forget to ask the right question. Do not be overpowered with emotion, ask all necessary questions please.
Thank you.

What would be your advise if it was the other way round? i.e. the husband wants the wife to start wearing trousers?

soledadd: Wearing of trousers is not a do or die tin. If she has enough love and respect for her husband she should drop it. Its not a big deal. You can get other good and confortable clothes in the market. Before i met my husband i stopped wearing trousers by myself and when i met him he insisted i should wear it cos he likes it. Then i accepted. You dont have to take trivial matters seriously lest they ruin your relationship. Think and act wisely. Those giving you advice may not be there when your home is broken. Its a reality that you must face. Its not like you are single.

It is women like you who make marriage sound like a bondage. 'She is no longer single, it's a reality she must face.'

It's always good to compare oranges to oranges. Your husband told you before you got married that he loves trousers; the key word is before marriage. He didn't wait until after marriage b/4 shifting the goal post.

Their relationship is already ruined. If the husband loved and respected his wife, he would have told her his feelings on her dressing b/4 they got married.

P.S. You do not have a mind/conviction of your own.

jaydonv: Well, without adopting the superciliousness of a compulsive chauvinist, I think the wife should try and put off her own dogged beliefs in yielding to her spouse. On one hand, wearing of trousers by women is considered a norm where as in another it is a thing associated with opprobrious immorality.

By no measure should this frivolous matter result in incendiary disputation between the couple. It is an issue to be resolved amicably while defenestrating any domestic skirmish into complete oblivion.

Thanks

How will the issue be resolved amicably when the wife is to try and put off her own dogged beliefs in yielding to her spouse?

Imagine a master saying he and his servant decided to ....

MostHigh: LWKM true...

Well luckily for me again she didn't life would have been proper boring

That being said regarding life and its ups and downs she has held her own quite well.

Let me try again...

Can you depend on her in times of.....

Is she the kind to adapt to life changes and still come out strong?

The husband in question is asking his wife to adapt to changes he feels are important and has even given her REASON

ARE COUPLES NOT SUPPOSED TO REASON TOGETHER

Is the husband reasoning with the wife in this case? Or is it only a woman the sacrifices in marriages?

Ayatullah: What an evil question you are asking...............when has not wearing trouser become the alternative to fornicating? Yours should be a dirty mind
Why cant you Christian women who take delight in wearing trouser stop this act the Bible frowned at..........a good Christian Lady/Woman will only
emulate MARY, the mother of Jesus. Or who else should be the Christian woman role model? Definitely not the likes of Tonto Dike and other So-called Nollywood or Hollywood stars.

There is a recent interesting thread on Mary.

I don't know where the Bible told us to emulate Mary. If there is an indirect reference of whom to emulate, it's the virtuous woman in Prov 31 : 10 - 31. The Christian role model is Jesus Christ. Please leave Mary out of this abeg!

MostHigh: So being asked to stop wearing trousers by your husband will make a girl miserable as you say?

Ever heard of self sacrifice? this should be practiced in every home by both partners for the sake of the marriage and children

Old woman like you talking like a little spoilt child......

Lost your shiny toy and your all miserable

So what do you expect the children to emulate?

SELFISHNESS

I hope not all women are as shallow AND SELF INVOLVED as you

can't the sacrifice this time be from the man's side?

Ogojohn: Women don make some men women. What are we debating here.? That a man don't have a right to stop her wife from wearing trousers. Na once I go talk am. unless I am not her husband. what are men of nowadays turning to. Jelly beans. I suppose.

I hope you let your wife to be know this

chukwudi44: So the biblical verse must mention both @ the same time for it to be true.What a shallow way of reasoning.So even when a verse explicitly states Mary is the mother of the Lord we should wait for it to be simultaneously stated with Jesus been the son of God for it to be valid?

Listen to yourself:

Yes, it must.

1. If Mary is the mother of Jesus (God) and God the Father is the father of Jesus (God), it means Mary and God are equal
2. It means that God can die, afteral, it was Jesus (the son of Mary) who died on the cross, He can be hungry, He can be tempted, He can feel pain etc

Sorry dude, I don't serve a God that can die. John 1:1 says 'In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God'... 'In Him everything including Mary' was created

I would have no problem if Catholics can realize they serve a different God, a different Jesus and are referring to a different Mary

ktjohnpaul: You may need English lessons if you cannot comprehend a simple grammatical expression! No offence intended.

None taken.

Give me a Bible passage where Mary was called the Mother of Jesus (God) and God the Father was called his Father at the same time

chukwudi44: The remarkable thing, however, about Peter’s alleged bishopric in Rome, is that the New Testament has not one word to say about it. The word Rome occurs only nine times in the Bible, and never is Peter mentioned in connection with it. There is no allusion to Rome in either of his epistles. Paul’s journey to that city is recorded in great detail (Acts 27 and 28). There is in fact no New Testament evidence, nor any historical proof of any kind, that Peter ever was in Rome. All rests on legend. The first twelve chapters of the book of Acts tell of Peter’s ministry and travels in Palestine and Syria. Surely if he had gone to the capital of the empire, that would have been mentioned. We may well ask, if Peter was superior to Paul, why does he receive so little attention after Paul comes on the scene?

The doctrine of sola bible is not even a biblical concept as even the biblical authours quoted and reffered to books outside the bible.To suggest that once a thing is not in the bible is then false is most illogical to say the least.

The bible was created by the catholic church of the fourth century from a collections of hundreds of scriptural writings that was then extant.The apostles themselves never used the bible.The entire gospels were anonymous!! The names of their authours and apostolic origin was only attested through sacred apostolic tradition of the same catholic church you so despise!!

So we should equally assume Peter and Paul are still alive because their deaths were not mentioned in the bible!! How do you protestants even reason? So because Paul was more educated and consequently wrote more books than the apostles suddenly takes him above Peter?

Was Paul even an apostle in the true sense of the word considering he was not among the twelve.He was the greatest evangelist of the first century.

Alongside him,Peter and James the just(scarcely mentioned in the bible) were the most influential xtian leaders of the first century church.

Nobody created the Bible.

It was Catholics that said Mary was alive because her death was not recorded in the Bible.

I ask: If Mary died a virgin, what happened to her marriage with Joseph?

xyoung: I don't understand why protestants like fighting the catholic church and her teachings!!! A church founded by Jesus christ himself..Next time, protestant will post, "why confess 2a priest when you can confess to God directly"..

There is no need to waste my time and start defending my catholic faith here because all these people are already bent on arguing blindly when the truth is not far fetched

Protestant just choose a portion of the bible and misinterprete it all in a name to start their own living church. But check on the existence of these churches when their founder dies

Hail Mary, full of grace the lord is with you, blessed are you amongst women and blessed is the fruit of your womb jesus..
I am surprised no1 here faulted the Angel Gabriel for greeting Mary like this before the birth of Jesus Christ.
The truth is bitter!!!!!!!!

Which Church are you talking about?

vicope: Seriously? This s**t is so hillarous! And we are busy accusing another religion of hypnotising its followers with virgins and wine in heaven.......I never really knew some christians catholics are also hypnotised into believing the above! Little wonder why "narrow is the road that leads to salvation and broad is the road that leads to destruction". Its hard to come to terms with the fact that you guys even coined a biblical ideology to support idolatory. I just pray to God to send forth the holy spirit to broaden your understanding and comprehension of His word. Shalom!

*Unfollowing thread immediately*

I never really knew about the Catholic doctrine until this thread. We obviously do not serve the same God

ktjohnpaul: 1 Timothy 2:1- “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men.”

So asking for intercessory prayer is a very biblical thing to do, especially from a holy person like Mary (James 5:16).

So how can Mary hear thousands of prayers said to her daily from all over the world? Isn’t she just a human being and not God? Catholics believe we share in God’s divinity when we are in heaven. Why? Because of the words of Peter, in

2 Pet.1:3: "His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence 4: by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature."

We know that they witness for us, because of the words of St. Paul, in Hebrews 12:1: “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses…” Witnesses testify to a judge on behalf of the accused, and Paul here is saying that the saints in heaven are our witnesses.

Asking these witnesses, especially Mary, to help us with our problems is a very good thing to do.

Some people make the mistake of thinking that praying to a saint equals worshiping that saint like he/she is a god, but “to pray” simply means “to ask”, not “to worship”.

Nobody argues about intercession.

Our problem is that Mary a dead person is the 'Intercessor.'

If you are looking for a heavenly intercessor, what about the Holy Spirit? Rom 8 : 26

Why leave the Holy Spirit as ask a dead person to intercede for you?

If you are asking your Physical Rev Fr who is with you to pray for you, there is no problem.

koladebrainiac: Olodo,when David was unda the spirit,he said the Lord said to my Lord,who was he refering to,Jesse? Mtchew! Mumu ni eyin Protestant yi. You guys are the one forcing the false doctrine on us. U ask a catholic,why do u worship mary,he says he doesnt worshp her,he honours her. Then you stil go ahead and say as far as you are concern,u worshp her. Does that make sense? Whch part of the word not worshp u do not get? Ok,maybe this wil give u rest. The Catholic apostle CREED is thr 4 u to read. So stop arguing.

Is this what you are taught in your gathering?

If mary is the mother of Jesus (God), are you saying God died on the cross of calvary?

I want a yes or no answer

CAMEROONPRIDE: Mary's perpetual virginity

In connection with the study of Mary during Our Lord's hidden life, we meet the questions of her perpetual virginity, of her Divine motherhood, and of her personal sanctity. Her spotless virginity has been sufficiently considered in the article on the Virgin Birth. The authorities there cited maintain that Mary remained a virgin when she conceived and gave birth to her Divine Son, as well as after the birth of Jesus. Mary's question (Luke 1:34), the angel's answer (Luke 1:35-37), Joseph's way of behaving in his doubt (Matthew 1:19-25), Christ's words addressed to the Jews (John 8:19) show that Mary retained her virginity during the conception of her Divine Son. [65]

As to Mary's virginity after her childbirth, it is not denied by St. Matthew's expressions "before they came together" (1:18), "her firstborn son" (1:25), nor by the fact that the New Testament books repeatedly refer to the "brothers of Jesus". [66] The words "before they came together" mean probably, "before they lived in the same house", referring to the time when they were merely betrothed; but even if the words be understood of marital intercourse, they only state that the Incarnation took place before any such intercourse had intervened, without implying that it did occur after the Incarnation of the Son of God. [67]

The same must be said of the expression, "and he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son" (Matthew 1:25); the Evangelist tells us what did not happen before the birth of Jesus, without suggesting that it happened after his birth. [68] The name "firstborn" applies to Jesus whether his mother remained a virgin or gave birth to other children after Jesus; among the Jews it was a legal name [69], so that its occurrence in the Gospel cannot astonish us.

Finally, the "brothers of Jesus" are neither the sons of Mary, nor the brothers of Our Lord in the proper sense of the word, but they are His cousins or the more or less near relatives. [70] The Church insists that in His birth the Son of God did not lessen but consecrate the virginal integrity of His mother (Secret in Mass of Purification). The Fathers express themselves in similar language concerning this privilege of Mary

The 'brothers' of Mary are his cousins? Are you saying the word cousin is not in the Bible? Don't you think the Bible would have specified it considering the fact that it was specified that Mark was Barnabas' cousin? Col 4: 10

What happened to the marriage of Mary and Joseph?

slim147: YES YES and Capital YES ! Mary is billion miles powerful than the demon god oyedepo worship

Mary is powerful? What power does she have? Oyedepo worships a demon? Let's assume we really do not know who Oyedepo worships;

Is Mary more powerful than the God of Elijah?

honeric01: He was baptised non the less because he was human just like everyone during that time!

He is confusing the water baptism and Holy Spirit baptism?

Syncan: John3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

John3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Does the scripture passage give you the answer you seek?

Was the baptism of John of water or of the Spirit? What righteousness was he trying to fulfill?

YMCgyna: bukatyna bukatyne is vry confused.....hw do u even believe in trinity
witout knowing dat jesus christ is d only son of God dat was made man.born of virgin mary , suffered under pontius pilate , dead and was buried :he rose again from d dead and ascended in heaven

JESUS CHRIST IS ONE NT TWO....WAKE UP DEAR

You are the ones that are confused.

Jesus Christ (God) left His Glory above and came down to earth in human form. If you believe in trinity and say that Mary is the mother of God (The Son), how can He (God) feel hunger? Pain, how can God die? How can God forsake God?

You guys should wake up and smell the coffee

ktjohnpaul: 2 Sam 6:9 "And David was afraid of the LORD that day, and said, How shall the ark of the LORD come to me?"

This Scripture parallels

Luke 1:44 "And how is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" Note that Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit before she spoke these words out.

Remember that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, she bore him for 9 consecutive month in her womb, keeping him free from original sin, because she was FULL OF GRACE.


So if Jesus is “The Word Made Flesh”, then Mary is “The Ark Made Flesh”.

Mary is the Ark of your New Covenant. Mary has no power to keep anybody free from sin. She had to fight for her own salvation. What happened to all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God? If Mary is full of grace, what of Enoch that never tasted death? What of Melchizedek that had no mother or Father?

italo: A mother in heaven is a heavenly mother, not so?

No else Sarah, Esther, Deborah etc. will also be our heavenly mother.

Or is Mary the only female in 'Heaven'?

italo: So Jesus is not Christ?

We have Jesus the Man and Jesus the God. Mary was the mother of Jesus the Man and Joseph was his father. God was the Father of Jesus the God

italo: Yes.

Where does she live?