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italo: It is the Bible that calls Mary the mother of Jesus and God his Father.

You obviously dont believe the Bible.

Can you quote the verse that calls Mary the mother of Jesus and God the Father of Jesus at the same time?

nnatom: sorry to say this,u sound like an illitrate.my advice to every one is dis,dont judge so dat u wont be judged.all of u are here opening ur wild mouth argueing on what u dnt knw.but my quection to u all is which of u keep d commandment of GOD.u all should go seek for forgiveness for GOD has HIS own yardstick for pass judgement to us all.for dis is nt what we shld be doing when d time is already near.thank u all

I asked a simple question and this is your reply?

P.S. Work on your use of English language then we can talk of illiteracy

ktjohnpaul: Honour is too small for God, so Catholics WORSHIP him!

Psalms 8:1 O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! You have set your glory above the heavens.

You mean Mary is the mother of Jesus while God is the father of Jesus?

Mary and God on the same pedestal?

naijadeyhia: [b]Let us consider just for a moment this matter of papal lineage. Did you know that, after the papacy was introduced, there was a period of seventy years in which there was no pope at all? Did you know that for another period of fifty years there were two lines of popes? And did you know that at one time there were three popes? They were Benedict XIII, Gregory XII, the French pope, and John XXIII, the Italian pope. Where does all this leave papal lineage and infallibility?

The Pope: Ruler Of The World

When the pope is declared to be the pope, on his head is placed a three-tiered tiara, or triple crown, which means, according to Romanism, that he is the father of kings and princes, ruler of the world and vicar of Jesus Christ. The Prompta Bibliotheca, an official Roman Catholic almanac published by the press of Propaganda Fide in Rome, in its article under the heading of "Papa" states: "The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but, as it were, God, and the Vicar of Christ. The Pope is of such lofty dignity that, properly speak-ing, he has not been established in any rank of dignity, but rather has been placed upon the very summit of all ranks of dignities. He is likewise the Divine Monarch and Supreme Emperor, the King of Kings. The Pope is of so great authority that he can modify, explain or interpret even divine law." Pope Gregory said, "The Pope is the representative of God on earth; he should then govern the world. To him alone pertain infallibility and universality; all men are submitted to his laws, and he can only be judged by God; he ought to wear imperial ornaments; people and kings should kiss his feet; Christians are irrevocably submitted to his orders; they should murder their princes, fathers and children, if he command it; no council can be declared universal without the orders of the Pope; no book can be received as canonical without his authority; finally, no good or evil exists but in what he has condemned or approved." Now, my friends, I ask: "Is there, or has there ever been, in all professed Christendom, a parallel to the foregoing in arrogancy and presumption?"[/b]

If the Pope calls himself the ruler of the world, then there is serious problem because that is the title/position of satan

chinedum45: Jesus is God why would he tell those lepers to go show themselves to a priest

do u believe in curses moving from generation to the next? Adam and Eve sinned and only baptism washes that sin. So every child inherits that sin and u know nothing unclean can enter heaven and infants die.....so what is wrong in cleansing an infant of this Adams sin so that if it dies as infant it can see God?

Mary died a virgin go and read the prophecy of Isaiah, also no proof that she had other children.

remember God gave the commandments before the snake bite in exodus yet he commanded Moses to make a SERPENT AND HANG SO THAT ANYONE BITTEN BY SNAKE AND LOOKS AT IT SHALL LIVE.....u see that....now read the building of the temple and see the making of creatures even for the ark of covenant.....they are images graven....?
even ur pictures are images u know and the commandment is Thou shall not make ANY IMAGE....
now we honor Mary and never worship her. Kissing ur pix is not worshipping it. Crying infront of ur late mums pix and telling her of ur suffering after her demise is not worship.....Note we do not worship Mary but show her Love and honor

Mary died a virgin?

What happened to her engagement with Joseph?

Syncan: Just listen to yourself, He was man at some time and change to God at some time, bla bla bla, Who made the child in the womb of Elizabeth leap for joy, God or man, Who forgave the paralytic? The man or God? Who told Mary, " Don't you know I should be about my father's business", God or man? Who did the magi see in bethlehem, God or man? Just do a little reading, and you will find out that the whole christendom condemned Nestorius and this your teaching since 431AD. You no de shame, christian indeed.

Why did Jesus have to be baptized with the Holy Spirit before he started his public ministry?

Kaycee7: The Holy Spirit is Mary's spouse. The Holy Spirit is GOD so Mary is GOD'S Wife. GOD THE FATHER Is Mary's Father so Mary is also GOD'S Daughter. GOD THE SON is Mary's Son so Mary is also the Mother of GOD. To understand everything, you'll need to understand the mystery of the Holy Trinity and no man can comprehend that mystery.

The Holy Spirit married Mary? You better keep quiet before God slaps you.

peppy luv: My dear u catholics have time to ans these pple,if only catholics on this forum will agree,we shud all ignore topics on Mary or the catholic church nd let them have fun fooling themselves!!cuz this attack on the church will neva stop !so for hw long do u guys want to contine arguing
Yes we are catholics who love and adore mary!!!does anyone have a prblm with that?huh??
Better to call on mary than call on d god of my pastor!!eg god of oyedopo!!

It is better to call on Mary than God of Oyedepo? Do you grasp English? Why don't you compare oranges and oranges? Have you not prayed to the God of Elijah? Are you comparing the God of Elijah/Oyedopo to Mary?

Kaycee7: That's why we're sure that Mary is no mere mortal. Whatever She is, She remains the Mother of God. A mere mortal couldn't have wiped away Eve's mistake. GOD is not a half and half person. HE does things to the full. Mary cannot be Mother to the Man-Jesus without being Mother to the God-Jesus. And where did this Man-Jesus, God-Jesus theory come from?

Mary wiped away Eve's mistake? Really?

I don't think we are talking of the same foundation here .

If mary had the power to wipe Eve's mistake, what did Jesus Christ come to do? Why did Mary have to receive the Holy Spirit at Penetecost?

Kaycee7: We give her due honor. We don't overdo it. Also you said "through Mary" which is our point exactly. So long as you're in Jesus, it doesn't matter where you came through.

Really?

Kaycee7: Don't you know the devil can prevent you from opening the Scriptures? That is why the Blessed Virgin is able to help us. She obtains Grace from GOD so that you can even open the Scriptures and She implores the Holy Spirit to help you understand it. For without the Holy Spirit, you'll wallow about in confusion.

Bia, what is the work of Jesus Christ?

Kaycee7: The Blessed Virgin has GOD'S ear. Can't she ask GOD to deliver us from evil?

She's carrying God's ears?

Ndjones: One thing I hate in my life is hypocrisy. Some people are saying why do the Catholics ask Mary to pray for them? But when they are sick they run to TBJ, Pst Chris to pray for them too. Who is fooling who?

Catholics asking dead Mary to pray for them is different from a Winner Chapel member meeting his pastor to pray for him. The similar thing in RCC would have been a Catholic asking a living Rev. Fr he can see physically to pray for him.

jamp: She is the mother of God and elizebeth confessed that when filled with the Holy Spirit she said who am I that the mother of my Lord will visit me. Luke chapter 2

Are you comparing the expression 'mother of my Lord' to 'mother of God'? How can Mary be the mother of God? Mary was the mother of Jesus the man and not Jesus the second person in the trinity

keeperr: It is an Honour for Mary to be that vessel in wish Jesus came into the world. She is the Mother of Jesus, the spouse of the Holy Ghost and the Daughter of God the Father. She is connected to the Holy trinity. Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, you that are highly favored, the Lord is with you: blessed are you among women. Luke 1:42 and she(Elisabeth)exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. Mary is Honoured by God the father, so i honour her too.

It seems we are serving different Gods or reading the same Bible

xynerise: Where in the bible did Mary die?

Do you mean Mary lived forever? Is Mary still alive till today?

Akson man: And to all u ignorant mugus that claim Mary had other children. In the bible at the cross just before he died,why did Jesus hand Mary over to John-"Woman,behold thy son, son behold thy mother" ?
Let's even go back to biblical accounts of when Jesus was 12yrs old and his parents went looking for him in the temple...did the bible make any mention of Mary carrying any other baby or toodler with her? Surely,if Jesus had direct brothers or sisters they would have been born by the time Jesus was 12yrs old?

Matthew 13: 55 - 56

Mark 6: 3

Read these verses and let's talk

obayaya: if the church is the body of Christ and Mary is the mother of Christ, then it's correct to say Mary is the mother of the church

Mary is NOT the mother of Christ, she is the mother of earthly Jesus.

Cajetan speaks: the bible was written by catholics, compiled and numbered accordingly by the catholic church yet some young dudes think that the know the bible more than the author of the bible.

The Bible was written by Catholics? Was Moses, Ezekiel, Paul, Peter, James, Luke Catholics?

[quote author=boy_tonero]If requesting my heavenly mother to pray for me is a sin, behold that you judge yourself next time you request your earthly pastor to pray for you.[/quote]Heavenly mother?

Odikwa very serious!

Cheks01: Catholics honour her cos God honoured her first. Imagine, among al women she was chosen 2 be d mother of our saviour. If u cn honour ur father n mother accordin 2 one of the ten commandments, shld u nt honour d mother of ur saviour? Wen u tlk of God's plan 4 salvation, Mary ws there; t ws thro her dt Jesus became man. She look after him 4 30yrs til He began His minisry. We believ dt d mother loves her son n d son loves d mother. Anything we ask thro her ll b granted 2 us. This does nt mean dt we always pray thro her. Most of our prayers r directed to God.

Why don't you 'honour' the Father of Jesus?

Emmasonic4me: My dear please keep ur mouth shut if u dont knw wht to say. The catholic doctrine of praying to Mary to intercede for us stemmed from the scripture when wine got exhausted during the wedding at Canan. Instead of going directly to Jesus for help, the celebrants chose to go through Mary who taking pity on them, promptly requested her son to salvage the situation. Of course her request was granted immediately...the rest was history.
Hence, THROUGH OUR MOTHER MARY, WE SUCCEED!!!

Jesus the son of Mary is not in the same capacity as Jesus Christ the Messiah.

People also begged the disciples to help them with Jesus. Why do not worship the disciples?

[quote author=gree-die]martyred as in died for church? ok... lemme brk it down. tell me who founded ur religion and mine?[/quote]If you are going by the route of martyrs, was Peter the first Martyr?

What do you mean by who founded your religion and mine?

[quote author=gree-die]mr, u want to tell me dat d immaculate conception is nothing but a science experiment?
mary didn't contribute to jesus' genetic makeup??
ok so who donated d egg and spe.rm, pray tell?[/quote]No, she did not.

You must really be limiting God if you think there must be a sper.m and egg to form Jesus in the flesh

taryour: Op a very big congrats to u. U av no problem,ur wife gave u d reason to act such. Pls ask ur wife to go for a dna test,b sure it is comfirmed u are responsible for d pregnancy befor u acept it after all her long absence from home. As for d oda woman,it is d lords doing. It is indeed a big testimony as moremi as said.

Excuse me?

The wife gave him a reason to cheat?
The child conceived in adultery is the Lord's doing?

You sure are serving a different God/Lord

Imanuel Jannah: Your perspective and approach to the topic of discussion is wonderful. That's a brainy approach to this issue. Nice one!

Thanks

Most times, people date/court people with the hidden agenda that they will edit their partner when they get married.

It's well

[quote author=Ich_el]#SYL, U don already dey carry am for head, If dem breakup or breakdown, how e use kum concern u. Or na u b Kim's adv.....[/quote]Excuse me?

marialucia: What I've noticed about women who are inlove :

•» They never believe in rumors about their partners cheating, even if it's true.
•» They will do everything in their power to protect their relationships, even if apologizing for what's right.
•» They are very jealous and as a boyfriend you should be thankful 'coz that shows she's very afraid of losing you(she believes in your relationship).
•» Sometimes they might sacrifice their friendship for that one person they love the most.
•» They hate it when you've got a female friends 'coz they know, "A shoulder to cry on becomes a dick to ride on".
•» They are real bad in faking their happiness and emotions, you'll notice very quick when they don't like something you've done.
•» They don't care about money but they care the most about the time you spend with them, if it was possible they would want to spend every minute with you.
•» They go around calling 'emselves bo "Mrs mang mang" without checking the time frame they've been in that relationship.

True or False?

Only the bolded is a constant.

Where will be a difference when a rational person is in love and when an irrational person is in love.

There is also obsession, lust and there is love.

Love is about trust. If a woman trusts her man, she would not suspect him without cause. If the man is 'sleeping' around, why is she still with him? If she can't trust him around his female friends, then there is a problem. Does she plan to police him at work or school? Does she have a job she's occupied with herself?

This is one of the reasons why there are problems in relationships/marriages.

Has Kanye ever told/hinted Kim that she will have to distance herself from her family if eventually they have kids?

Kanye saw Kim with her family, 'loved' her as she was, never complained and now wants to shift the goal post in the middle of the march. It's not done.

This issue might lead to their breakup if not handled properly.

bettymafy: Hahahahahahahaha. Mehn, this family section don dey scare me oooo. They make marriage look like a burden a woman must carry.

Jeez! Ah ah! If u see how vexed I was yesterday eeehhh. I was following the thread, but just too sad to comment and this zhukafa guy kept goin on and on, I couldn't take it any longer biko.

Most men now shy away from their responsibilities. How can u say u love someone, but u cheat on them shamelessly and beat them on top of it all?

Like I would say, get a copy of the Nigeria Bible!

I will keep stressing that no woman who decides to stay in a chaotic marriage without improvement should never open her mouth to say that shd is staying for the kids.

All the posters who endorse beating and see extra martial affairs as normal were those who saw such exhibited in his or her family. Nobody brought up in a normal loving environment will believe such is normal.

What is even amazing is that most of them will claim to be religious and will call down fire in the mosques and churches. I wonder if they have never read passages condemning such acts. I am sure passages on repentance and submission will catch their eye more.

I wonder why people still feel that parents of old are better with the immoral people they trained.

It's well

ifeojobas: @op please pay attention to the previous post especially points 2, 3 and 6. Additionally, I think that the last thing you should do is call a family meeting...he will see that as an attack. This thing has 2 solutions that will be used together and I know that in no distant time, you will see the visible results. First, if you don't pray, there is no better time than now to start. Pray and don't stop praying. Commit him into God's hands. As you are praying for him to change, pray that God will help you through the process and also help you become a better person. Secondly, operation finish him with kindness. This man knows who his wife is....he just needs a little help. Even if you see him on top of another woman, don't talk. Whether you see him with a pack of condoms, keep quiet. Wake up early, make breakfast for him, keep the house clean, keep the food coming, keep the sex too coming. Just leave him with the condoms... at least in this phase, that'll protect you against any probable stds. Infact when he is leaving the house in the morning, say a word of prayer or just a word..."may you find favour today", "it is well with you today", "have a lovely day, dear", "drive safe". Even during the day, send him a message or two... Try to remember why you fell in love in the first place... Send something like "hey dear, just checking on you. Remember that I love you. Have a nice day/ take care dear. " If it's in the afternoon or early evening you can add a subtle "see you soon". Then one day wear sexy lingerie with all the romantic atmosphere ish, give him the sex of his life. Trust me when I say that things will change for the better. It may hurt, to be so calm and prayerful especially to someone that seemingly does not deserve it; that's why I said that in your prayers, ask God for strength. He seems to get violent only when you've found him out not all the time. So just turn a blind eye to all his vices. All I have said may seem funny but try God and see. Take on a cooler and quieter character. Just be patient. Add a lot of love to the mix. And always speak quietly to him, remember, no fights or arguments. Your life is extremely important. I trust God that at the end, very soon your husband will be the one to come back and apologise to you. P.s. Just send a message or two a day... He'll start looking forward to them. Those girls are just distractions, they are just for sex. Soon and very soon, he'll be back home to you his wife; where he belongs.

Good sir,

Is the wife allowed to have small boys as distractions? She has whispered in my ears that she is bored.