gosky

A fair try indeed but my muslim friends will never see it that way. They are on a hell-bent mission of portraying the Holy Bible as a book of contraditions and thereby miss the substance. The sam book thy say has contraditions is the one they try to drivel Mohammad into.

Only God knows the kind of pple we are dealing with. (_{shakes head}).

babs, you are a mischief maker. Okay lets have a deal. If i supply you those verses, will you renouce Islam on the spot?

olabowale:

See how weak you sound to yourself? Is as if you said, Ikorodu is not a
proper Ijebu. Show by demonstrating the quality of the Prophet, that they are
not Muslims, duh!

Even the Christian Arabs, call your Jehovah, Allah in their Bible. You are not
sounding reasonable enough. I may just let you continue in your game of
languages.

Ok. I know what you are driving at. A muslim is someone who submits to God (not allah) abi? Okay. Can i still be a muslim if I dont believe in mohammad the slave of allah? Please answer.

olabowale:

Proof to me that there is a prophet who was not a
Muslim, because he did not Submit his Will/obedience to God Almighty?

Aburo. Listen very carefully. Proof to me that there is a prophet before
Muhammad who did not have to obey God/ and did not obey God, hence
he was out of what Muslim in Islam is supposed to be.

ok. ok. ok.

Jesus never submitted to allah! So he was not a muslim. chi kena! Jesus submitted to Jehovah God. , and dont try to prove to me that allah is Jehovah God. You know that wont fly with me.

olabowale:

Christian God,

Yes uncle. It is Christian God.

olabowale:

according to the Christianity, has three godheads.

Again Yes. Uncle, it like this. You have trained your kid for 30 years! In the first 10 years you treated the child like a kid. The goal was to relate to him like a kid. In the next ten years, you had to upscale your training kits to deal with a teenager In the last ten, you were dealing with an adult. Th skill sets are completely different.

It is still you but your roles over time and the kind of relationship changes but it is still the same Olabowale. Your values have not changed as a person but your roles have differed overtime. It is just a simple analogy i can give now because I CAN SEE that this three-in-one is really causing serious confusion for you guys.

You supplied a wrong chapter i guess. Chapter 33 is titled The Parties

muhsin:

Nice response! Please since everything is now settled, I urge you to please not say anything further to their thoughtles and baseless replies.

Thanks for your good understanding.

what has h said? nothing actually! someone quoted from the quran and you say its a lie! Shows you do not read the quran and even if you do, you only just run through without settling down to read it. Respond to the verses and give us their meaning if actually we hav wrongly interpreted them.

hafees:

@confuse/focus
all what you have written is baseless and fabrications. u copied it where? everyone can guess. . my friend continue to celebrate your lack of intelligence.dim wit

hafees,

Tell me, if you were to be in an Islamic country likfe Saudi Arabia and you find someone draw a caricature of Mohammad with insulting words on the prophet of allah, if you are called upon to to torture him because obviously he has contraved the laws of Islam, would you oblige the call to give some lashes to the guy found guilty

Can i have a sincere answer from you?

Olabowale,

Like david said, i would have expected the revlations from all of these proohets to be very explicit in the quran. If you call somep one a prophet, where are his prophecies? Were are the prophecies fo adam you call a prophet? Where are the prophecies of esus the son of Mary? Where are they in the quran? I think those questions are very pertinent.

If you do not have their prophecies recorded in the quran, then they can not b called prophets by any standard at least in Islam. In Christianity on the other hand, prophets have revelations they brought from Jehovah God (not allah) to his people and they are clarly written down without ambiguity. You call esus a prophet, where are his prophecies?

You call Moses a prophet, whre are his records? You need to humble supply them.

If however, you have a recourse to the bible to show their prophecies and study their actions then you must NEVER DERIDE the bible under any circumstances.

Back to you topic of picking prophets and discussing where they went worng. I will pick Mohammad.

Mohammad went obviously went wrong by killing innocent men travelling in a caravan. You know the story very well. This he did especially in a month that would have been considered a month of peace even by the arabs! If he unustifiedly killed someone, could we say he pleased God or your allah? I think not so.

Mohammad was established as a sinner as we have numerous verses in the quran that testifies to this. He was several times. That means he was offending allah. Allah even said he was forgiven Mohammad's numerous sins. ( I know you popl will say he was an ordinary human.) My question is this, why dont you just accept the [b]sinless [/b]and [b]living [/b]Jesus as even corroboratd by your quran?

If allah is the same Jehovah God that christians serve (I know he is not), then Mohammad must have displeased God so severly cos, his lifestyle was not definately a defiant variance from Jesus whom also came from 'the same allah source'. Why would allah send two very contradictory personalities? I hope i am still within the scope of discussion?

olabowale:

Among the Prophets, some married close to a thousand wives, eg, Solomon the wise.
With so many women, he was still dubbed 'the wise,' Some married a lot less, eg, David.
Some married just a few, Ibrahim, the friend of Allah, Isiaq, Yakuub, and many others.

I can understand where Mohammad got his inspiration from really. But why dd he not do 1000 wives so that we would know he helped to reduce poverty?

Some married only one, eg Zachariah. Some did not marry at all, eg, John and his cousin
Jesus. What is your point? You can not see wisdom in the marriages of Muhammad?

The 'wisdom' I can see in his marraige example is that he was ust a sexual pervert. How could he have married a six year old? Or how could he have married his adopted son's wife when that one was still alive and not divorced?

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He married widowed women, he married young virgin, he married divorced women. All of
these types of women are permissable to Muslim men. Yet most Muslim men marry just
one wife.
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Be true to yourself. The only reason why you marry more than 1 wife is to spread islam. You know islam can NEVER spread by moral suasion but by sword-suasion and child abuse marraiges. Thats why, in order to preserve islam, you must marry many wives and give births anyhow.

Back to the topic, prevnting women from the same prayer locations sitting side-by-side with men has not stopped promiscuity. Be true to your self.

With all the [b]separation [/b]in the mosques, your mentor still ended up marrying a 6 yr old bringing total wives to 22. Huh? I wonder the number of wives MO would have ended up with if there had been no 'separation' in the mosques

olabowale:

In this case your strategy will fail. You want to argue away that Jesus did not obey God, hence he was
not a Muslim, present your argument.

Very well then. You have hit the nail on the head. In your mind at least, (or where is it in the quran that) Jesus did not obey God (not allah)?

philip404u:

I-man you are a foool for life
grow up and learn to live in a civilized world

haba! where are u from?

mdsocks:

cgift,
The thread is heading to where we i don't want it to go.
Insults thats what i hate most.
Why can't you post your opinions without insulting others?
I tire for you oooo

And where s the thread going if i might ask? A place of yoour insecurity? Who has insulted whom. When did quranic verses become insults? What would you then say about the quranic satanic verses where Mohammad commanded that the three daughters of imam be worshipped alongside allah if your own Sura 19:71 is an insult to you?

I weak for you oooo

baloo4u2:

@Cgift & CO,
please mind your tongue and avoid criticisms in other not to sin against God.
ALLAH simply means God, its a pity that you people don't know the meaning or is it b'because of
the arabic pronounceation.i can not say b'because am a muslim and be talking jazz about
christians or christianity as a whole, islam does create room for criticism.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

Against which god? allah is not Jehovah Almighty that we christians serve. Ask your muslim scholars on this forum that we have engaged severely to correct that deciet.

Your allah commands death on all those who insult mohammad, hinder the spread of islam. It commands four wives at most to devout muslims who can tak care of them equally and so on. We do not have those decrees or support from Jehovah God. So how can they be the same. So please with these little differentiation I have made, NEVER claim they are the same.

Did you say Islam creates room for criticisms/insults? What of the boy that named his teddy bear Mohammad? What of the \Gome teacher, what about the cartoonist in denmark, what about those who have been beheaded for daring to speak their minds? What kinda room is that? please give us a break.

sweeten:

when ever i read about the argument and insults Muslims and Christan's rain on each other on nairaland i weep for some of you,am a Muslim by birth,by religion and by practice but may i ask my Muslims brothers and sisters where its is written in the quran that we are to judge other people's faith and like wise the Christan am sure you were told not to judge other people.

When facts are presented and counter-facts shown, the submissions that would follow would like like outright judgements of each other's faith and/or believes. So rest that please.

A verse of the holy Quran said to you is your God and to me is my God.some Christan's that has convected in to Muslims has painted the religion bad but hey you were in that religion before you convected to a Muslim and you were not killed no matter what you faced while you were there what if God was testing your faith but because you feel you converted in to a Muslim that is why you are saved.like wise the Muslims that convert in to a Christan you read the bible because it is written in a language you can easily read and write on then the quran that was written and is still written i Arabic now seems barbaric too you,before colonization took place in Nigeria our fore fathers were traditionalist does that mean they've got no God then?or those that mean who and what they serve was not and is still not answering their prayers?

I hope you are not suggesting to your nuslim scholars like olabowale, babs, mdsocks, eta ll that idol worshipping is acceptable in Islam? If that is your submission, i think you wont last on this thread cos according to your holy book, they are classified as infidels and should be beheaded until they submit to allah.

you choose what you what to be and what you want to believe in.the white people that brought the religion to us brought science which explains every process that takes place in most miracle and yet some of you belief in both science and a religion,if my bible tells me to be good to to every body i come across and my Quran tells me to be my brothers keeper i think they've passed the same message but in a different language and i tell you co nairaland i think the greatest mistake some of you are making is judging what other people serves.

We are not judges. We are only discussants and when you discuss you arrive at conclusions or inferences naturally. May be thats what you call judgements!

some of you think your religion are best but you are only reading and believing what you are told no body was there that can actually say what happened you need can tell if the religion you follow is a misconception from the interpreter

There is no bad, good or, better or best in this issues. There is only one way, THE WAY, the only one who gave His life for you and me. You may not be sure of yours, we are sure of Christ and Christ is sure of us.

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and i tell you what that is why we should be careful not to cause more havoc by abusing other people's belief because we are not even sure which is the right part we only have faith that what we are doing is the right thing. we are only trying to back up our points that the God i serve is the God of miracle.the traditionslist still respect their believes more than both Muslim and Christan and that is why they will never condemn any body's religion and they abides by the rules and regulations guiding there Gods but check out the Christan's and the Muslims so many pastors and imams has so many explanation to give when they meet face to face with their GOD
[quote]

I am not surprised this is coming from you anyways. Afterall, mohammad had said he was not sure of what allah would do to him and his cohorts after the end of his miserable life. The same fallacy he committed when he was trying to confirm or justify the nature of his call when he gave four differing accounts of how he was called. He was quite confused. But my Jesus was never in doubt for one second about his call. He knew who he was and what he came to do on earth and played along. Please follow the sure path for the other path is uncertain for you moreso that your allah has by a hatman's decree confinmed all of you to hell fir after you death See the Sura 19:71.

rotimy:

Catholics are Christains and they don't make noise about it. Pentecostals often attack Catholics in order to confuse weak ones among them and lurerd to their Churches! Mother Theresa of Calacuta made headlines because of her Christian CHARITY among the Hindus than a Catholic Nun. It's only in Africa that Pastors cleverly demonize other believers in other to break the body of Christ. God will judge us on the last day not on denominational benchmarks but " on what we have done"-2 cor 5:10

guy!

Caths are not christians okay? They are subtly into idolatory with the worship of Mary corroboratd by their popes, the use of scapulars, signs, images,etc. Tell me how a group that circumvents the ten commandments of God and removes the second one in their canons completely could pass for a christian body? Tell me.

Tell me how a body who legitimises sin in its monastries would pass for a christian body. Tell me how a body who classes others who do not chant "Ave Maria" as infidels would pass asa chrstiain body. Tell me how a body whose doctrines places her traditions far above the word of God and openly declare that the Bible is no authority when it comes to building the doctrines of the church would pass for a christian body? Want many more questions for the test? Tell me how a body whos leadership has sold out to the devil via cults, oaths, ungodly vows, and many more, would pass for a christian church. Tell me.

They arent christians; not in the least dude!

Tell me how. I am waiting.

david, you don vex this dude seriously o! Chai!

david and hafees make una calm down o! abeg. Somebody go soon break hin computer with vexation now.

I wanted to go but my car fumbled despite the fact that my office is just two buildings away from TBS!

olabowale:

@Dios: The same ease in which God will recreat you and me after we have become dust, for Judgement day, it is
that easy for Him to make the reward of Paradise always new. Your thinking is restricted to the virgins of this world.
Even though man are now capable of reconstructive surgery to restore hymen, you are doubting the power of your
Creator in His ability to reward, however He wills?

@Idinrete: It is my brother who speaks in tongue. I hardly speak Yoruba fluently, yet it is my mother's tongue.

Then there is a problem cos if you hardly speak Yoruba and English, is it arabic that is your mothr tongu now?

mdsocks:

Davidylanb,cgift and pilgrim


We closed the thread not becuase we are weaklings, but because we want peace to reign on nairaland. one of us opened the thread but we closed it just to let calmness be on nland.

Ifyou are not satisfied, then open anothr thread on thi subject matter.

Look at this comedian

olabowale:

If America is indivisible, yet it is small part in the creation of the Creator, then
most definately, the Creator MUST be COMPLETELY In visible; HE IS ONE Without
any other. Qul, Huwa lahu Ahad!

GLORY BELONGS TO YOU, OH MY CREATOR!

Good. So America is indivisble for the muslims abi? Litle wonder you have not bing abl to bomb da place

rotimy:


JESUS CAME, DIED, ROSE AND WILL COME AGAIN!

Halleluyah!

Uncle Ola,

Long time. How is the family? Just calm down o! Its vry important that you calm down okay. We still value you. On love!

See dem weaklings! You want the thread closed abi? Ar you Seun in disguise? So it pains you abi? I think I should get a quran fast, excrete on it and take the pictures and post it on this forum. Hope that would make you cool?

Cant you guys just allow your helpless allah wake up from its slumber to fight for itself? Uuh?

enitan2002:

@ cgift,

i don't need to start displaying my wisdom here, and don't forget this passage,

you must not cast pearls before the swines

Then go to sleep. You actually dont have anything to share dont also forgetr the passage:

~ answer a fool according to his folly.

enitan2002:

@ cgift, why are u saying things you have no knowledge about. Take time, ok?

You are just an ignoramus. I xpected you to have picked issues and address them than talking ambiguosly! Lets have your wealth of knowledge about what borders you in my post.

all these slaves of allah! What is it you wont do to discrdit christianity. You only make a fool of yourselves b decrying what you do not understand.

There is no spirituality in ISlam, no depths nothing. Just get yourselves off this thread you slaves of Mohammad practising a religion without substance .

olabowale:

Was Moses more than a Prophet?
Did Moses ever claimed to be son of GOd?
Did Moses ever claimed to be God?
Was God like Moses?
Did Jesus lead his people the Children of Israel to any victory?
Was Jesus ever accepted enmasse by his people, the Children of Israel?
How much is population of those who accepted him even today?

I have more, but I still love you, so i do not want to overburden you with
all of it at one time. Please answer these questions.

Did Mo ever perform one miracle?
Did Mo ever see allah face to face or talk to God mouth to mouth?

Uncle, your mind has been sleeping for too long. Wake it up! Do not denigrate and disrespect Moses as he can never be compared to the pedophile and blood maniac Mohammad.

auwal87:

I wonder what this davidlier wants to accomplish on Nairaland, People like them will keep blaspheming and biasing Islam but they will never Succeed, Never Ever! Their Temper on Islam will cause their Sudden Death >>> straight to HELL!

Allah is always there to Forgive you, even with these blasphemy and bias of Islam, He may still Forgive you. But we never want people like you to convert to Islam, because you will start blaspheming and biasing other religions! So, if you are coming to Islam with these your behaviour, We don't want you, but if you will change your behaviour and become humble, and respect others belief, then you are welcome. People like you cannot be leaders anywhere in the world!

I pity your whole Life,

If this is what your intelligence can bring forth, it is a pity! If islam rids itself of violence, there will be nothing left of it but shaft! So you guys need the violence to remain relevant. That's your only weapon! Think egghead!

You know psychologically, men, for fear of the unknown indulge in all these vices to get attention. You really dont know that all the suicide bombings (with their bunanas covered with aluminium foils ) only show you people as weaklings. Empty vessels make the loudest noises!

A religion that cannot spread by moral-suasion but only by the sword has no future, for none of you value the sanctity of human life.

[size=15pt]auwal87 can you take a life?[/size]

mdsocks:

@cgift
i have known you to be a clown.

@dafidixone

Whatever you think.

Well, u are entitled to your opinion. Hope you went to the site I POINTED YOU TO? PLS TRY TO.

, lol!!

You guys have nearly killed me with laughter! I just had to be covering my mouth so that it wont spill while in the office! Let me give this people another one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0&feature=related

I wish Abraham never committed this grave error!

misright:

Okay, my dad, myself, brothers and sister, our entire family , we're all Christian. Never once have we spoken in tongues.


So what's the problem? Why haven't we spoken in tongues yet?

Its a gift not by force. Its actually one of the numerous signs given to people around to know that the Holy Spirit just came into someone's life.

Not all have it but youcan crave it. Crave it not only while in church but at home during prayers. Some people I know got it while praying at home alone. Some in gatherings, some through their dreams etc.

Your desitre for it is holy as the bible says, covet spiritual gifts but note that there are more important gifts that would rather edify the others unlike speaking in tongues. Speaking in toungues become very useful if their one around or the same person who can interprete the tongues being spoken.

I hopei have not confused you more sha!

When it comes to Church offerings, itis not mandatory butGod values it since it is a means of funding the activities of the church. If thechurch is into the true and pure worship, itwould be doing serveral charity workslike going to prison, helping motherless, widpows/widowers etc. Therefore, offerings come readily handy. It also hasto pay salaries ofcleaners and all other workers in the church. Offerings generally, will cater for this need.

Due to this and many more, it is pertinent to go to church with offerings especially if God has given you the means.
In Deut. 16: 16 - 17, quite a relevant passage God says , And they shall not appear beforethe Lord empty, You might say scripture is quite remote or very specific to that particularceremony of the Feast of the UnleavenedBread, it nevertheless tells you that God cherishes going to church with something to drop!

Also remember that God says as long as heaven and earth remains, seed time and harvesttimewill not cease (Gen. 8:22)! So, keep on sowing, for on this earth you shall reap the very rewards if you do it with a good heart!

Cheers!